You, the happy denizens of the 24th Century, have awoke to find something eerily wrong. The year is 2381 and everything is… differenty. Everywhere in the universe, at the same time, I, Q, appear and announce that I have collapsed several different universes together for no reason other than fun, and that I've introduced an Mafia of evil people who want nothing more than to kill everyone and everything in the universe. To that end, they’ve stolen some ugly blue police box from the Department of Temporal Investigations evidence vault on REDACTED and started messing with history, starting with the moment the Federation Temporal Agency and Starfleet Temporal Integrity Commission would allow them to do so, February 28, 2381 (a Saturday.) Your timelines have all been wrecked beyond repair, so I've brought you all here.
The Alpha Quadrant's still recovering from the apocalyptic Borg invasion, during which sixty billion Federation civilians, half of Starfleet, and three quarters of the Klingon Defense Force were wiped out in about week. The invasion was stopped only by the dissolution of the Borg Collective by the Caeliar, a mysterious, hermit-like race who evolved from humanoid form to become fully artificial beings made of controllable atoms (catoms). And just to show you that they're a lot of fun, they're also the geniuses who created the Borg, entirely by accident. Yes, that's right, you puny humans, the Borg were a cosmic accident. They're gone now... or are they? Maybe a few survived, you might never know...
I've tweaked some of your alignments to make the games more amusing for me. You have all been sent to the newly christened Deep Space Nine (II) station, designed by Master Chief Petty Officer Miles O'Brien and his assistant, Lieutenant Commander Nog. This place was even more boring than the last station until a few cubes came by & gave it some much-needed character.
My rules (stolen from an unusually bright mortal who stole them from another unusually bright mortal):
1. Nights should last approximately two to three real world days. If all choices come in sooner, night may end sooner. If your choice doesn’t get in by the deadline/cutoff, you will do nothing.
2. The day will last as long as it needs to. If discussion lags, I may impose a deadline.
3. Votes must be in BOLD or they will not be counted. Unvoting is not required, but is appreciated.
4. Lynches happen after a majority is reached. Once a majority vote is reached, the player is considered lynched and the game is in the twilight phase.(well, you can unvote, but I will ignore it.)
5. You may also VOTE: No Lynch. If a majority vote for this the day will end without a lynch.
6. If a deadline is reached with no majority achieved, there will be no lynch.
7. Once your death scene is posted you are, well, dead. No more posting please (a short farewell post, like “Bah,” is okay, but no talking about the game)
8. Do not edit or delete your posts. Q has admin powers & can detect timeline trickery even if you have the power to erase your actions from the timeline altogether. Annorax, you're being watched...
9. Do not quote my PMs. This will be the quickest way to get yourself Q-killed. Do not try to get tricky with this either. I will be monitoring closely.
10. The town's win condition is the standard "only town and others who win with the town are still alive." The mafia's win condition is "only mafia and others who win with the mafia are still alive." Don't go fishing for win condition wordings, they're not the same.
11. No communication outside the thread unless your role specifically allows it.
12. If you anticipate being gone for more than 72 hours please post in the thread to say so.
13. Q is always right.
14. Remember this is a game. While I expect you to amuse me, please do so without belittling your fellow players.
15. This new station needs some character. Do try to entertain me by giving it some.
16. Posting your role PM will result in modkill and nomination for probation. Seriously, don't do it.
DEAD:
Jena Noi, 31st Century Federation Temporal Agent
Fable07, Iliana Ghemor, Mafia Godmother (Lynched day 1)
Sir Chris, Quark, Magnificent Bastard (Killed night 1)
col_mongoose, Worf, Rookie Security Chief (Killed night 1)
TappingStones, Jack, Genetically Engineered Town Lunatic (Lynched day 2) (loses the game regardless of end result)
Mindreaver, Ro Laren, Charmed Captain (Killed night 2)
Shockwave07, Patrick, Mafia Lunatic (Lynched day 3) jdawesomesauce Brinatoo, Rom, Unconventional Grand Nagus (Killed night 3) YomakoRhand Citricbase, The Doctor (Killed night 3) Necarg Zinger2099, Lauren, Deviant Lunatic (Modkilled day 4)
Killjoy, Miles O'Brien, Town Mason (Modkilled day 4)
tomsloger, Taran'atar, Jem'Hadar Observer (Lynched day 4)
Silvercrys, Leck, Eliminator (Killed night 4)
D_V, Nog, Alternate Reality Strongman (Killed night 4)
Half_Time, Weyoun, Kai of the Bajoran Ascendancy, Mafia Pseudo-Bus Driver (Lynched day 5 Wheat_GrinderSeppel Wheat_Grinder, Miles O'Brien, Mason (Killed Night 5)
Kosakosa, Riley Frazier, Borg Neighborizer (Killed night 5)
Chandra's Fiery Cat, Brunt, FCA Liquidator (Endgamed)
KingofDominaria, Odo, Commanding Constable (Endgamed)
SPECTATORS:
Bur
Huntzilla
Vaimes
Kahedron
MENTORS: Mentees, please create a mentoring Quicktopic and PM the thread link to your mentor. Please also add myself and Teia Rabishu to your PM.
Ecophagy (mentoring Killjoy)
Iso (mentoring Brinatoo)
Prophy (mentoring ???)
Voxxicus (mentoring Tomsloger)
So let's begin my never welcome and often mystifying to people townclearing with Shockwave07.
That dude's town.
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KoD on the other hand may be scum. Instead of asking "hey Chris, why?" he decides it was "random" and casts suspicion. People who don't critically think are more likely to be scum.
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Likely story. I can ask that question and get met with a fishing accusation. Also, if you had any reason beyond it being random, then you would do the townie thing and be forthcoming about it. Given your response to me, I have no better course of action than to assume exactly what I stated. That you, Sir Chris, are clearing someone randomly.
The least you could do is be honest as opposed to knee-jerking by pointing the finger at someone who called it like it was you scum you.
Fishing accusation? For what, asking me to explain an opinion? Am I hinting at Day Cop? What a weird thing to say. Why give any information away freely when you can get further interaction based on it? Look, by not specifying we are now having words. A townie's job is not to be transparent, but it is to solve the game while at the same time not getting horribly murdered via their method of choice.
Also you're pretty high strung geesh, I am just pointing out that those that make assumptions have a greater than player % chance of being scum, and I stand by that. I mean I don't know you so maybe you are just high strung or maybe you are scum who is spinning things ("fishing accusation" is really unnatural to me, and makes me lean a scum who just kind of got called out and panicked, but without playing with you before it's impossible to say) but I don't really mind saying why I cleared Shockwave. He disrupted. Someone came into the topic and began the game with usual nothing banter and Shockwave gave them a negative response. Scum don't tend to make early splashes like that. When scum make splashes it is usually calculated and so everyone looking around can go "look at the splashy guy" and the scum can be satisfied with themselves. Town on the other hand just kind of tend to say whatever works for them at that moment.
So yeah, would be super unusual for a scum to come into topic with that attitude right off the bat.
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If it is an opinion, then I am justified in stating you cleared someone randomly. I don't even need to read the rest of your post since you just affirmed what I stated to begin with.
I do not think you know what the word randomly means. Here, let me help you:
adjective
1.
proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern:
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A townie's job ****is**** to be transparent as far as conveying to others they are town. You coming out of nowhere and claiming someone is town with no reason only means you're doing so randomly as far as I am concerned. Since you haven't done a thing to alter my assertion on the matter, I stand by it being a fact you cleared someone randomly for w/e reason. You can argue it as much as you like, but the moment you called it an opinion just proved me right.
This relationship between us is really going to be awkward if you think the reason behind my actions can be summed up with 'w/e.' I tend to be a bit more nuanced than most.
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All of this instant suspicion is sending me chills to the bone.
Kind of like how I'd like to bone someone right now.
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Necarg, please don't acknowledge this in any way whatsoever.
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Since you don't know me, I'm not bothered by how you choose to describe me. You'll get w/e feelings develop for me as the game progresses.
And how is a fishing accusation "unusual"? You're the one who felt the best response wasn't to say why you cleared who you did. Instead it was to cast suspicion back on me for FoSing you. In your recent post you completely undermined yourself by saying you have no trouble saying why you cleared the person. Back on the fishing, your post even alludes to not being "transparent" by which I assume you mean not being completely honest about everything in case they have vital info that they gathered. That just backs up my reasoning about potentially being accused for fishing had I decided to ask why as opposed to just accusing you for what you obviously did (clear someone randomly).
Oh man if I am ever telling you I am being completely honest, you should lynch me you have surely caught a scum Chris lying through his teeth. Unless it is like, you know, later in the game or something where transparency needs to happen usually. But day 1 yeah I am a sneaky guy who tends to plot a lot of stuff against scum.
Anyway the unusual thing is that I have no idea how you think I would accuse you of fishing for something 5 posts into the day. You say "and get accused of fishing? no way!" but like, what could you possibly be fishing for there? Day Cop? <_<. I say that with all levity that I can muster. That's why it is unusual to me, because you thought of 'fishing' there. Anyway I like to start discussions, and here we are settling right into my pace of play already. Successful venture so far. Anyway I didn't cast suspicion back onto you because you FoSed me, I cast suspicion on you for the logic that led to the FoS. A nuanced point but an important one. I'll sometimes throw shade on people because they suspect me, but the why here was important. And it was a little bit of shade. Just the tip.
I don't feel particularly undermined, I have to confess. It isn't as if why I cleared him was meant to stay a state secret.
Also I gave you the definition of the word randomly man, you can't continue to misuse it I am trying to help you out here.
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Ok, this I know is town!Chris. He is critically thinking, aggressively posting, and doesn't give two *****s if he pisses someone off.
I'm clearing SC....
to go for MAH DICK
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Hey Necarg, how's it hanging? That's either a very fun post restriction or you really need companionship.
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I know exactly what random is. It's what you did with "clearing" Shock (that's who you said right?). Since you claimed it to be your opinion, you are more or less communicating to me that you randomly cleared him. Simple as that.
Also, I don't know you. So I don't have high expectations for this relationship between you and I. Now, back to the matter at hand.
How do you not know since I already explained the train of thought behind it? I accuse you of randomly clearing someone and FoS you for it. You respond by throwing suspicion back at me citing I could have asked why you did that. I respond by calling it like I see it: If I ask why, you accuse me of fishing. After all, in order to get at why you cleared said person, you'd have to explain yourself (and that's assuming you're not lying anyway). That's a classic way to get called out for fishing for information. I'm honestly surprised you're not seeing it after I explained it.
Aside from my surprise at you not getting it, the hypothetical talk doesn't matter since you clearly cleared Shock randomly -- oh wait, no. You gave a reason for why you cleared him, correct? That just cycles back around to how you reacted. Rather than react to a person you don't know with what you said, you just threw suspicion back at the player. That's scummy on your part. You've just earned a vote.
Oh man, he voted in red. He means it. That's the first thing I noticed due to the color.
Anyway it's okay, I don't know what all the words in the English language mean either my man, I'll walk it through.
You see a key part of something being random in this context is "without reason." This would be if I cleared Necarg and when asked why I said "because he seems like a horny fellow." This has no value to the game we are playing. It's a "reason", but it has no "reasoning" to it in this context and thus could rightly be said to be random. What I did with Shockwave is saw a single post by him and decide that there was no scum mindset present in his response and cleared him. Because my reason is based off experience, logic, and analytical thinking it is valid "reasoning" and thus cannot rightly be said to be random. Now if you wish to refute what I have said like to like (ie reasoning combating reasoning) I think that's how I like the game of mafia to be played, but to sit there and just go "is not" is probably not going to lead to the first lynch against me in this community.
Also you may not know me but check my sig, daddy has some hardware.
I admit the breakdown in this is it would have never occurred to me to accuse you of fishing in that spot. Actually... in fairness to you, I very rarely accuse people of fishing. I have a real high bar for what I think is fishing in a scummy fashion. Like, town are supposed to fish a bit for scum after all. So this could just be me not really liking the term and it confusing me. If I tried to murder everyone who has ever FoSed me in a game though I'd be running in circles.
Also man you will know when I throw suspicion at you, geesh.
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Tsk, tsk, puny player-like creature. Bold red is reserved for Q (except when used in scum/town lists... forum rules prohibit use of bold red except by staff members and scum/town lists) so pick another color for your votes please.
Also, KingofDominaria's quarters are now full of empty boxes.
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Hey all... I'm retired, not dead. Check out what I'm doing these days (and beg me to come back if you want):
D_V you've got me feeling like my old mafia self for the first time in maybe this calendar year, it's skull cracking time before bed.
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Just in case the integrity of my vote was compromised by the rule violation.
Anyway, you needn't clarify on a word I'm familiar with since I recalled that you gave a reason (after the initial response) and undermined yourself anyway wrt to the assertion I made.
As for not knowing you, I'll be direct when I tell you this so you understand. I don't waste my time reading sigs. Got a game to play and all, and, unless you are claiming a No Lie Policy, whatever is in your sig doesn't concern this game to the best of my knowledge.
Also also, I do know when you throw suspicion on me. You did it in your initial response, remember?
Tsk, tsk, puny player-like creature. Bold red is reserved for Q (except when used in scum/town lists... forum rules prohibit use of bold red except by staff members and scum/town lists) so pick another color for your votes please.
Also, KingofDominaria's quarters are now full of empty boxes.
How quick of you to forget the Prophets, Q. Have you already disregarded your adversary? Feeling the challenge already won? The spectre of the past is giving way to visions of the future? You presume too much as pertains to your similarly bold red using counterparts.
(Just so there's no confusion, since I helped design this game, you'll see the occasional flavour post and stuff from me too.)
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Ok, so the reason that SC likely cleared Shock with this, and the reason I am clearing him is that scum don't tend to start off the game with some witty one-liner and no other context. Generally speaking, scum are more reserved, and make a point to do something with their opening post.
No lynching is a terrible idea. You disgust me for voting it.
I'm also against randomly clearing people.
1. *looks directly at the camera as if I were in The Office*
I mean, have you seen GentlemanJohnny?
2. That makes sense, but there hasn't really been any random clearing, sooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
Same though.
Oh, by the way Shock, do you want to try out my "popcorn", if you catch my drift *wink wink nudge nudge* (I'm referring to my dick. That's what I'm referring to.)
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Ooh, ooh! Can I stick my dick in one and show it to KoD? Like, as a Christmas present!?! This is an important question, dammit!
Ok, real talk. SC's aggressive behavior would definitely make sense as a scum tell for someone who has never seen Chris's playstyle. I thought he was surefire scum in BDMafia, but this behavior is his town play. This is either him being genius scum, or a typical townie.
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2. That makes sense, but there hasn't really been any random clearing, sooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
I'm past that since Chris gave a reasoning a few posts later.
As for your theory, feel free to lay it on me. I may disagree with it though.
Also, Chris's aggressive behavior isn't why I'm voting him for viewing him as scum. Like, both of you have mistaken why I view him as scummy despite stating why in the first place.
From KoD earlier
Rather than react to a person you don't know with what you said, you just threw suspicion back at the player. That's scummy on your part.
Likely story. I can ask that question and get met with a fishing accusation. Also, if you had any reason beyond it being random, then you would do the townie thing and be forthcoming about it. Given your response to me, I have no better course of action than to assume exactly what I stated. That you, Sir Chris, are clearing someone randomly.
The least you could do is be honest as opposed to knee-jerking by pointing the finger at someone who called it like it was you scum you.
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This shows an unusual mindset for town to have, caring about the perception of his posts. He avoids asking the question he wants as he fears the pressure of a fishing accusation. This feels like a scum mindset.
Sir Chris I can't help but read your posts in Alan Shaw's voice.
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I'm interested to see if/how KoD changes his approach if no one meets his expectations for what a townie's job is. Right now his pompous rhetoric obfuscates his motivations imo.
Pray tell, wasabi, what are my motivations? If you don't know what my motivations are, then I don't see how you can tell whether or not my words are clouding them. So please, enlighten me with your opinion.
@Sauce: Perception of my posts? You mean post that wasn't made, right? Because that is the only one I expressed any concern over when faced with the count question from Chris. Speaking of which, you're being awfully unfair charging me to ask when the person could have just stated why in the first place (I can say this because Chris showed no actual, super important reason that must be hidden when he stated his reason why later in conversation).
In short, you're being opportunistic with hitting me with that when Chris is at fault for not being upfront.
@wasabi: Why would I change my approach? It's not like there's a standard that I can put up against every player wrt to judging if they're coming across as townie. That's something I, everyone actually, determines on a case by case basis. So I see no need to change my approach (though I'm not sure what that has to do with anything) since the expectations I hold are fluid.
KoD on the other hand may be scum. Instead of asking "hey Chris, why?" he decides it was "random" and casts suspicion. People who don't critically think are more likely to be scum.
Lolololololololol for reasons. (specifically at the "critically thinking" portion of that)
Fishing accusation? For what, asking me to explain an opinion? Am I hinting at Day Cop? What a weird thing to say. Why give any information away freely when you can get further interaction based on it? Look, by not specifying we are now having words. A townie's job is not to be transparent, but it is to solve the game while at the same time not getting horribly murdered via their method of choice.
Also you're pretty high strung geesh, I am just pointing out that those that make assumptions have a greater than player % chance of being scum, and I stand by that. I mean I don't know you so maybe you are just high strung or maybe you are scum who is spinning things ("fishing accusation" is really unnatural to me, and makes me lean a scum who just kind of got called out and panicked, but without playing with you before it's impossible to say) but I don't really mind saying why I cleared Shockwave. He disrupted. Someone came into the topic and began the game with usual nothing banter and Shockwave gave them a negative response. Scum don't tend to make early splashes like that. When scum make splashes it is usually calculated and so everyone looking around can go "look at the splashy guy" and the scum can be satisfied with themselves. Town on the other hand just kind of tend to say whatever works for them at that moment.
So yeah, would be super unusual for a scum to come into topic with that attitude right off the bat.
Basically what I was thinking you were thinking. I had it pegged personally as 'scum don't like to unnecessarily make enemies'. Accusing someone of stupidity right out of the gate tends to do just that.
Pray tell, wasabi, what are my motivations? If you don't know what my motivations are, then I don't see how you can tell whether or not my words are clouding them. So please, enlighten me with your opinion.
@Sauce: Perception of my posts? You mean post that wasn't made, right? Because that is the only one I expressed any concern over when faced with the count question from Chris. Speaking of which, you're being awfully unfair charging me to ask when the person could have just stated why in the first place (I can say this because Chris showed no actual, super important reason that must be hidden when he stated his reason why later in conversation).
In short, you're being opportunistic with hitting me with that when Chris is at fault for not being upfront.
Hey KoD can you link me to a game you've played in before?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I assert he is being random and FoS him for it (mind you I already typed this out previously several times). He responds saying I should have asked why and says I'm scummy for not asking why. I iterate, in response to his post, that asking why sets me up to be called out for fishing (since he didn't readily provide any reasoning). He responds addressing why it is unusual for me to think about fishing over his "opinion", then goes on to give a reason.
He undermines his position for calling me scummy for not asking why by giving forth his reasoning for clearing (which he could have done in his post which would have caused me to not assert he was being random in the first place). That's how it is invalid. Not to mention my suspicion of him over his random clearing is separate from my suspicion of him for having called me as scummy first and then stating his reason (for clearing) rather than leading with that first.
Pray tell, wasabi, what are my motivations? If you don't know what my motivations are, then I don't see how you can tell whether or not my words are clouding them. So please, enlighten me with your opinion.
@Sauce: Perception of my posts? You mean post that wasn't made, right? Because that is the only one I expressed any concern over when faced with the count question from Chris. Speaking of which, you're being awfully unfair charging me to ask when the person could have just stated why in the first place (I can say this because Chris showed no actual, super important reason that must be hidden when he stated his reason why later in conversation).
In short, you're being opportunistic with hitting me with that when Chris is at fault for not being upfront.
Yes Chris wasn't upfront with his reasoning but there's nothing inherently scummy about that. Reactions to post like that can be used to scumhunt and he was forthcoming with his reasoning when asked.
Your reasoning for not asking a simple why is weak, you didn't ask because you didn't want to be called out for fishing. It's too self aware, and that tends to come from a scum mindset. My vote stands.
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I've never been a fan of this post. I can remember Tom and obviously GJ using it often. It's one of those cases where if you are town you creating WIFOM and to do so by asking for No lynch isn't good town play. Town is often irrational though so it's not a tell, it is something to watch though. When you make posts like this you raise suspicions on yourself for (seemingly)no town benefit. If you were to articulate a reason why this course of action is worth considering then that's a different story. For now it just becomes a note in my Mafia book to refer back to. (-)
I'm not a high-level player so I could be missing something here but I think this is null. I understand SC's reasoning though I wonder if there is enough here to justify any sort of hard read. I don't think so.
So let's begin my never welcome and often mystifying to people townclearing with Shockwave07.
That dude's town.
Hello SC. You come across a bit gun shy here. Like, you want to(and do) say he's town but you are very self-conscious about getting attacked back over it so you put a "warning sticker" into your comment. It's more careful then I like to see from you. I know how annoying it can be fighting off ridiculous attacks from the beginning of the game. I think I've been accused of role-fishing on day one in my last three town games. So yeah, I get the self-awareness, I just don't like it. (-)
No lynching is a terrible idea. You disgust me for voting it.
I'm also against randomly clearing people.
Major FoS: Sir Chris
Not a fan of this post. Not sure if it's supposed to be sarcastic or not. Tone is hard to read by text, especially with new players. I agree with you that no lynching is generally a bad idea, but you say it "disgusts you". That's pretty strong resistence towards a player's first post of the game. More importantly you don't ask the all-important WHY. You are also guilty later on of not asking why in an obvious position to do so. The use of the word random is also incorrect here. I shouldn't assume something is random, you should be asking why someone did something. I'm getting a major "Oceanblack from mafia classic" vibe here(-).
KoD on the other hand may be scum. Instead of asking "hey Chris, why?" he decides it was "random" and casts suspicion. People who don't critically think are more likely to be scum.
This is what I was thinking and I don't think it's a difficult conclusion to come to for town. (+)
This feels forced but I think it could come from any alignment, unfortunately. Again, instead of engaging anyone in conversation, just a quick vote and illogical reasoning. "Only GJ can suggest no lynch" is a horrible premise for a vote.
Likely story. I can ask that question and get met with a fishing accusation. Also, if you had any reason beyond it being random, then you would do the townie thing and be forthcoming about it. Given your response to me, I have no better course of action than to assume exactly what I stated. That you, Sir Chris, are clearing someone randomly.
The least you could do is be honest as opposed to knee-jerking by pointing the finger at someone who called it like it was you scum you.
Not only did this game exit RSV before it began but people are also super aware of what others might think of their comments. What do you care if someone accuses you of fishing? So what? I've been accussed of fishing (when I was not doing so) on multiple occassions I was town everytime. It lead to fantastic interactions where I could go back and catch people trying to be opportunistic.
@DV:
You might be right on Chris. I bet this is within his scum spectrum, too, though. I think the only game of his I've read is AceAttorney.
Why does GJ not being here make it a good idea for you to suggest a no lynch? Why do you think this is in SC's scum spectrum, even though you admit to having little experience with scum!SC?
Necarg feel towny to me.
SC feels gunshy which I could equate to him wanting to post but not wanted to draw tons of heat early on.
Silvercrsytal feels inauthentic and I think he is scum.
I'm surprised to hear you think you're flexible. (Though I did miss that Chris was the one to bring up what a townie's job was and it made you come off especially rigid.) I don't understand your hangup with the word opinion, and "coming out of nowhere" is a really loaded way to describe the third post in the thread talking about one of the only two people who have posted. I would think regardless of his alignment that Chris felt like he had a reason to townread Silver from that post, and so your assessment of it as "random" came off as mudslingy to me. I don't think that expecting Chris to call you out for "fishing" is very reasonable and it seems strangely self-conscious to think of that (and yet you're not self-conscious enough to keep it to yourself).
In general, the way you present your perception of the game is so formal logic-y and so removed from how I am trying to understand the game that I have a hard time telling whether you're being genuine. The way you write makes me feel like you care more about winning an argument than getting reads, which I think can be true regardless of whether you are town or mafia, but that quality does make it hard to figure out if you actually believe what you're saying.
Worktime but I am read up. Btw TS I was being cheeky not gunshy lol.
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Alright I'm going help you guys out with KoD a bit because this is sad to watch and most of you have never played with him before.
KoD Rule#1-KoD always thinks he's right, no exception.
KoD Rule#2-KoD does not apply the logic he applies to other people to himself, get used to that.
KoD Rule#3-KoD believes mafia should be played in a very specific way and if you go outside the lines he's going to go after you.
KoD Rule#4-KoD will only believe he is even more correct the longer you argue with him.
KoD Rule#5-KoD is stubborn and will almost never change his mind about anything.
KoD Rule#6-KoD will generally disregard all conclusions he does not come up himself. If you want him to see your point of view you just kind of hope he gets there himself.
KoD Rule#7-KoD rarely feels the need to explain his actions.
As far as anything else goes the only people worthy of clearance are corpses.
Rescue? Ha! I'm just trying to save you guys a headache I wish someone had saved me. If you don't appreciate it I have no problems watching you guys try to figure out KoD for yourselves. To the contrary it could be quite entertaining to watch once you get the hang of it.
Well, it's an interesting mindset. It's being "helpful" but not with anything that will actually help us solve the game. Which I can't say I'm a fan of. Let me break it down for you, and if you disagree with any of the following, let me know.
1) I haven't played with KoD
2) I haven't played with you either, but you're going to help me figure him out
3) Nobody should be cleared but corpses
Now, should I trust you, and your "rules" for figuring out KoD? Probably not.
Was it even help though? Let's pretend I have you as confirmed town. I then know the following:
1) He's clearly abrasive. Whatever, we have lots of those, we'll sort him out.
2) You have a desire to help us figure out his meta, BUT, none of those rules have anything to do with whether he is scum or town
I'm not warning you about TS's playstyle (just an example, I actually like playing with TS). And if I had a desire to even post something like that, I'd certainly say things like "when TS is town, you see arguments like this all the time" or "I don't think he would act like this way as scum". But you don't have any alignment indicative rules, which is a red flag to me, that you don't really want us to figure him out, just ignore his post style.
Secondly, I'm not meta-clearing anyone. I'm definitely not meta-clearing somebody on the say-so of somebody else. I don't care if Sir Chis thinks D_V is the swellest guy in the whole wide world, or if JD decides to call everyone in the thread a moron. Show me behavior.
So, why did you feel the need to write up something like that post? Why not instead tell me what you think about his behavior to date? Do you think he's more likely to be town or scum based on his interactions thus far? I'm leaning town.
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I've tweaked some of your alignments to make the games more amusing for me. You have all been sent to the newly christened Deep Space Nine (II) station, designed by Master Chief Petty Officer Miles O'Brien and his assistant, Lieutenant Commander Nog. This place was even more boring than the last station until a few cubes came by & gave it some much-needed character.
My rules (stolen from an unusually bright mortal who stole them from another unusually bright mortal):
1. Nights should last approximately two to three real world days. If all choices come in sooner, night may end sooner. If your choice doesn’t get in by the deadline/cutoff, you will do nothing.
2. The day will last as long as it needs to. If discussion lags, I may impose a deadline.
3. Votes must be in BOLD or they will not be counted. Unvoting is not required, but is appreciated.
4. Lynches happen after a majority is reached. Once a majority vote is reached, the player is considered lynched and the game is in the twilight phase.(well, you can unvote, but I will ignore it.)
5. You may also VOTE: No Lynch. If a majority vote for this the day will end without a lynch.
6. If a deadline is reached with no majority achieved, there will be no lynch.
7. Once your death scene is posted you are, well, dead. No more posting please (a short farewell post, like “Bah,” is okay, but no talking about the game)
8. Do not edit or delete your posts. Q has admin powers & can detect timeline trickery even if you have the power to erase your actions from the timeline altogether. Annorax, you're being watched...
9. Do not quote my PMs. This will be the quickest way to get yourself Q-killed. Do not try to get tricky with this either. I will be monitoring closely.
10. The town's win condition is the standard "only town and others who win with the town are still alive." The mafia's win condition is "only mafia and others who win with the mafia are still alive." Don't go fishing for win condition wordings, they're not the same.
11. No communication outside the thread unless your role specifically allows it.
12. If you anticipate being gone for more than 72 hours please post in the thread to say so.
13. Q is always right.
14. Remember this is a game. While I expect you to amuse me, please do so without belittling your fellow players.
15. This new station needs some character. Do try to entertain me by giving it some.
16. Posting your role PM will result in modkill and nomination for probation. Seriously, don't do it.
GAME OVER. Spot is now the Emissary of the Pah'wraith.
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DEAD:
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Fable07, Iliana Ghemor, Mafia Godmother (Lynched day 1)
Sir Chris, Quark, Magnificent Bastard (Killed night 1)
col_mongoose, Worf, Rookie Security Chief (Killed night 1)
TappingStones, Jack, Genetically Engineered Town Lunatic (Lynched day 2) (loses the game regardless of end result)
Mindreaver, Ro Laren, Charmed Captain (Killed night 2)
Shockwave07, Patrick, Mafia Lunatic (Lynched day 3)
jdawesomesauceBrinatoo, Rom, Unconventional Grand Nagus (Killed night 3)YomakoRhandCitricbase, The Doctor (Killed night 3)NecargZinger2099, Lauren, Deviant Lunatic (Modkilled day 4)Killjoy, Miles O'Brien, Town Mason (Modkilled day 4)
tomsloger, Taran'atar, Jem'Hadar Observer (Lynched day 4)
Silvercrys, Leck, Eliminator (Killed night 4)
D_V, Nog, Alternate Reality Strongman (Killed night 4)
Half_Time, Weyoun, Kai of the Bajoran Ascendancy, Mafia Pseudo-Bus Driver (Lynched day 5
Wheat_GrinderSeppelWheat_Grinder, Miles O'Brien, Mason (Killed Night 5)Kosakosa, Riley Frazier, Borg Neighborizer (Killed night 5)
Chandra's Fiery Cat, Brunt, FCA Liquidator (Endgamed)
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That dude's town.
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I'm also against randomly clearing people.
Major FoS: Sir Chris
Clearing sir chris.
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That's GJ's shtick
The least you could do is be honest as opposed to knee-jerking by pointing the finger at someone who called it like it was you scum you.
Also you're pretty high strung geesh, I am just pointing out that those that make assumptions have a greater than player % chance of being scum, and I stand by that. I mean I don't know you so maybe you are just high strung or maybe you are scum who is spinning things ("fishing accusation" is really unnatural to me, and makes me lean a scum who just kind of got called out and panicked, but without playing with you before it's impossible to say) but I don't really mind saying why I cleared Shockwave. He disrupted. Someone came into the topic and began the game with usual nothing banter and Shockwave gave them a negative response. Scum don't tend to make early splashes like that. When scum make splashes it is usually calculated and so everyone looking around can go "look at the splashy guy" and the scum can be satisfied with themselves. Town on the other hand just kind of tend to say whatever works for them at that moment.
So yeah, would be super unusual for a scum to come into topic with that attitude right off the bat.
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adjective
1.
proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern:
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A townie's job ****is**** to be transparent as far as conveying to others they are town. You coming out of nowhere and claiming someone is town with no reason only means you're doing so randomly as far as I am concerned. Since you haven't done a thing to alter my assertion on the matter, I stand by it being a fact you cleared someone randomly for w/e reason. You can argue it as much as you like, but the moment you called it an opinion just proved me right.
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@DV:
You might be right on Chris. I bet this is within his scum spectrum, too, though. I think the only game of his I've read is AceAttorney.
Kind of like how I'd like to bone someone right now.
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And how is a fishing accusation "unusual"? You're the one who felt the best response wasn't to say why you cleared who you did. Instead it was to cast suspicion back on me for FoSing you. In your recent post you completely undermined yourself by saying you have no trouble saying why you cleared the person. Back on the fishing, your post even alludes to not being "transparent" by which I assume you mean not being completely honest about everything in case they have vital info that they gathered. That just backs up my reasoning about potentially being accused for fishing had I decided to ask why as opposed to just accusing you for what you obviously did (clear someone randomly).
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Anyway the unusual thing is that I have no idea how you think I would accuse you of fishing for something 5 posts into the day. You say "and get accused of fishing? no way!" but like, what could you possibly be fishing for there? Day Cop? <_<. I say that with all levity that I can muster. That's why it is unusual to me, because you thought of 'fishing' there. Anyway I like to start discussions, and here we are settling right into my pace of play already. Successful venture so far. Anyway I didn't cast suspicion back onto you because you FoSed me, I cast suspicion on you for the logic that led to the FoS. A nuanced point but an important one. I'll sometimes throw shade on people because they suspect me, but the why here was important. And it was a little bit of shade. Just the tip.
I don't feel particularly undermined, I have to confess. It isn't as if why I cleared him was meant to stay a state secret.
Also I gave you the definition of the word randomly man, you can't continue to misuse it I am trying to help you out here.
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I'm clearing SC....
to go for MAH DICK
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Also, I don't know you. So I don't have high expectations for this relationship between you and I. Now, back to the matter at hand.
How do you not know since I already explained the train of thought behind it? I accuse you of randomly clearing someone and FoS you for it. You respond by throwing suspicion back at me citing I could have asked why you did that. I respond by calling it like I see it: If I ask why, you accuse me of fishing. After all, in order to get at why you cleared said person, you'd have to explain yourself (and that's assuming you're not lying anyway). That's a classic way to get called out for fishing for information. I'm honestly surprised you're not seeing it after I explained it.
Aside from my surprise at you not getting it, the hypothetical talk doesn't matter since you clearly cleared Shock randomly -- oh wait, no. You gave a reason for why you cleared him, correct? That just cycles back around to how you reacted. Rather than react to a person you don't know with what you said, you just threw suspicion back at the player. That's scummy on your part. You've just earned a vote.
Vote: Sir Chris
Anyway it's okay, I don't know what all the words in the English language mean either my man, I'll walk it through.
You see a key part of something being random in this context is "without reason." This would be if I cleared Necarg and when asked why I said "because he seems like a horny fellow." This has no value to the game we are playing. It's a "reason", but it has no "reasoning" to it in this context and thus could rightly be said to be random. What I did with Shockwave is saw a single post by him and decide that there was no scum mindset present in his response and cleared him. Because my reason is based off experience, logic, and analytical thinking it is valid "reasoning" and thus cannot rightly be said to be random. Now if you wish to refute what I have said like to like (ie reasoning combating reasoning) I think that's how I like the game of mafia to be played, but to sit there and just go "is not" is probably not going to lead to the first lynch against me in this community.
Also you may not know me but check my sig, daddy has some hardware.
I admit the breakdown in this is it would have never occurred to me to accuse you of fishing in that spot. Actually... in fairness to you, I very rarely accuse people of fishing. I have a real high bar for what I think is fishing in a scummy fashion. Like, town are supposed to fish a bit for scum after all. So this could just be me not really liking the term and it confusing me. If I tried to murder everyone who has ever FoSed me in a game though I'd be running in circles.
Also man you will know when I throw suspicion at you, geesh.
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Tsk, tsk, puny player-like creature. Bold red is reserved for Q (except when used in scum/town lists... forum rules prohibit use of bold red except by staff members and scum/town lists) so pick another color for your votes please.
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Vote: Sir Chris
Just in case the integrity of my vote was compromised by the rule violation.
Anyway, you needn't clarify on a word I'm familiar with since I recalled that you gave a reason (after the initial response) and undermined yourself anyway wrt to the assertion I made.
As for not knowing you, I'll be direct when I tell you this so you understand. I don't waste my time reading sigs. Got a game to play and all, and, unless you are claiming a No Lie Policy, whatever is in your sig doesn't concern this game to the best of my knowledge.
Also also, I do know when you throw suspicion on me. You did it in your initial response, remember?
How quick of you to forget the Prophets, Q. Have you already disregarded your adversary? Feeling the challenge already won? The spectre of the past is giving way to visions of the future? You presume too much as pertains to your similarly bold red using counterparts.
(Just so there's no confusion, since I helped design this game, you'll see the occasional flavour post and stuff from me too.)
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Ok, so the reason that SC likely cleared Shock with this, and the reason I am clearing him is that scum don't tend to start off the game with some witty one-liner and no other context. Generally speaking, scum are more reserved, and make a point to do something with their opening post.
1. *looks directly at the camera as if I were in The Office*
I mean, have you seen GentlemanJohnny?
2. That makes sense, but there hasn't really been any random clearing, sooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
OH, BOY HAVE I GOT SOME THEORY FOR YOU
Same though.
Oh, by the way Shock, do you want to try out my "popcorn", if you catch my drift *wink wink nudge nudge* (I'm referring to my dick. That's what I'm referring to.)
You bet your ass I need some companionship, Chris.
Ooh, ooh! Can I stick my dick in one and show it to KoD? Like, as a Christmas present!?! This is an important question, dammit!
Ok, real talk. SC's aggressive behavior would definitely make sense as a scum tell for someone who has never seen Chris's playstyle. I thought he was surefire scum in BDMafia, but this behavior is his town play. This is either him being genius scum, or a typical townie.
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I'm past that since Chris gave a reasoning a few posts later.
As for your theory, feel free to lay it on me. I may disagree with it though.
Also, Chris's aggressive behavior isn't why I'm voting him for viewing him as scum. Like, both of you have mistaken why I view him as scummy despite stating why in the first place.
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This shows an unusual mindset for town to have, caring about the perception of his posts. He avoids asking the question he wants as he fears the pressure of a fishing accusation. This feels like a scum mindset.
Sir Chris I can't help but read your posts in Alan Shaw's voice.
I kind of like Chris.
@Sauce: Perception of my posts? You mean post that wasn't made, right? Because that is the only one I expressed any concern over when faced with the count question from Chris. Speaking of which, you're being awfully unfair charging me to ask when the person could have just stated why in the first place (I can say this because Chris showed no actual, super important reason that must be hidden when he stated his reason why later in conversation).
In short, you're being opportunistic with hitting me with that when Chris is at fault for not being upfront.
@wasabi: Why would I change my approach? It's not like there's a standard that I can put up against every player wrt to judging if they're coming across as townie. That's something I, everyone actually, determines on a case by case basis. So I see no need to change my approach (though I'm not sure what that has to do with anything) since the expectations I hold are fluid.
I think I see where Chris is coming from with his clear of Shock. I moderately agree with that assessment.
I also think I see where you're coming from with the clear of Chris. However, I do not agree with your assessment here.
Lolololololololol for reasons. (specifically at the "critically thinking" portion of that)
But could you explain the theory behind that?
Basically what I was thinking you were thinking. I had it pegged personally as 'scum don't like to unnecessarily make enemies'. Accusing someone of stupidity right out of the gate tends to do just that.
See, that's the thing about Chris. Picking fights doesn't necessarily make him town.
I know right? This game's gonna be crazy.
Hey KoD can you link me to a game you've played in before?
@KingOfDominaria:
How is Chris's suspicion of you invalid while your suspicion of him is valid, when the reasons are the same?
No.
@Silver:
I assert he is being random and FoS him for it (mind you I already typed this out previously several times). He responds saying I should have asked why and says I'm scummy for not asking why. I iterate, in response to his post, that asking why sets me up to be called out for fishing (since he didn't readily provide any reasoning). He responds addressing why it is unusual for me to think about fishing over his "opinion", then goes on to give a reason.
He undermines his position for calling me scummy for not asking why by giving forth his reasoning for clearing (which he could have done in his post which would have caused me to not assert he was being random in the first place). That's how it is invalid. Not to mention my suspicion of him over his random clearing is separate from my suspicion of him for having called me as scummy first and then stating his reason (for clearing) rather than leading with that first.
@Fable:
I'm playing the game.
Yes Chris wasn't upfront with his reasoning but there's nothing inherently scummy about that. Reactions to post like that can be used to scumhunt and he was forthcoming with his reasoning when asked.
Your reasoning for not asking a simple why is weak, you didn't ask because you didn't want to be called out for fishing. It's too self aware, and that tends to come from a scum mindset. My vote stands.
I've never been a fan of this post. I can remember Tom and obviously GJ using it often. It's one of those cases where if you are town you creating WIFOM and to do so by asking for No lynch isn't good town play. Town is often irrational though so it's not a tell, it is something to watch though. When you make posts like this you raise suspicions on yourself for (seemingly)no town benefit. If you were to articulate a reason why this course of action is worth considering then that's a different story. For now it just becomes a note in my Mafia book to refer back to. (-)
I'm not a high-level player so I could be missing something here but I think this is null. I understand SC's reasoning though I wonder if there is enough here to justify any sort of hard read. I don't think so.
Hello SC. You come across a bit gun shy here. Like, you want to(and do) say he's town but you are very self-conscious about getting attacked back over it so you put a "warning sticker" into your comment. It's more careful then I like to see from you. I know how annoying it can be fighting off ridiculous attacks from the beginning of the game. I think I've been accused of role-fishing on day one in my last three town games. So yeah, I get the self-awareness, I just don't like it. (-)
Not a fan of this post. Not sure if it's supposed to be sarcastic or not. Tone is hard to read by text, especially with new players. I agree with you that no lynching is generally a bad idea, but you say it "disgusts you". That's pretty strong resistence towards a player's first post of the game. More importantly you don't ask the all-important WHY. You are also guilty later on of not asking why in an obvious position to do so. The use of the word random is also incorrect here. I shouldn't assume something is random, you should be asking why someone did something. I'm getting a major "Oceanblack from mafia classic" vibe here(-).
This is what I was thinking and I don't think it's a difficult conclusion to come to for town. (+)
This feels forced but I think it could come from any alignment, unfortunately. Again, instead of engaging anyone in conversation, just a quick vote and illogical reasoning. "Only GJ can suggest no lynch" is a horrible premise for a vote.
Not only did this game exit RSV before it began but people are also super aware of what others might think of their comments. What do you care if someone accuses you of fishing? So what? I've been accussed of fishing (when I was not doing so) on multiple occassions I was town everytime. It lead to fantastic interactions where I could go back and catch people trying to be opportunistic.
It's also the mafia's job to "be transparent as far as conveying to others they are town". So this is one of those head-scrathing statements.
Why does GJ not being here make it a good idea for you to suggest a no lynch? Why do you think this is in SC's scum spectrum, even though you admit to having little experience with scum!SC?
Necarg feel towny to me.
SC feels gunshy which I could equate to him wanting to post but not wanted to draw tons of heat early on.
Silvercrsytal feels inauthentic and I think he is scum.
In general, the way you present your perception of the game is so formal logic-y and so removed from how I am trying to understand the game that I have a hard time telling whether you're being genuine. The way you write makes me feel like you care more about winning an argument than getting reads, which I think can be true regardless of whether you are town or mafia, but that quality does make it hard to figure out if you actually believe what you're saying.
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That might just be friendly RVS banter, and not the magnum opus of town genius you're all making it out to be.
Wasabi, who are you talking to in #43?
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KoD Rule#1-KoD always thinks he's right, no exception.
KoD Rule#2-KoD does not apply the logic he applies to other people to himself, get used to that.
KoD Rule#3-KoD believes mafia should be played in a very specific way and if you go outside the lines he's going to go after you.
KoD Rule#4-KoD will only believe he is even more correct the longer you argue with him.
KoD Rule#5-KoD is stubborn and will almost never change his mind about anything.
KoD Rule#6-KoD will generally disregard all conclusions he does not come up himself. If you want him to see your point of view you just kind of hope he gets there himself.
KoD Rule#7-KoD rarely feels the need to explain his actions.
As far as anything else goes the only people worthy of clearance are corpses.
1) I haven't played with KoD
2) I haven't played with you either, but you're going to help me figure him out
3) Nobody should be cleared but corpses
Now, should I trust you, and your "rules" for figuring out KoD? Probably not.
Was it even help though? Let's pretend I have you as confirmed town. I then know the following:
1) He's clearly abrasive. Whatever, we have lots of those, we'll sort him out.
2) You have a desire to help us figure out his meta, BUT, none of those rules have anything to do with whether he is scum or town
I'm not warning you about TS's playstyle (just an example, I actually like playing with TS). And if I had a desire to even post something like that, I'd certainly say things like "when TS is town, you see arguments like this all the time" or "I don't think he would act like this way as scum". But you don't have any alignment indicative rules, which is a red flag to me, that you don't really want us to figure him out, just ignore his post style.
Secondly, I'm not meta-clearing anyone. I'm definitely not meta-clearing somebody on the say-so of somebody else. I don't care if Sir Chis thinks D_V is the swellest guy in the whole wide world, or if JD decides to call everyone in the thread a moron. Show me behavior.
So, why did you feel the need to write up something like that post? Why not instead tell me what you think about his behavior to date? Do you think he's more likely to be town or scum based on his interactions thus far? I'm leaning town.