I said that he's faking his suspicions of me and couldn't keep his read on me straight, then realized, "Oh *****, I need to be doing what townWheat does" and jumped on me.
Obviously scum don't legitimately scumread townies they know are town.
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I think that since Huntzilla tends to be a relatively easy read, and no one else is scumreading him in a game with one scum, then that means he's just town.
tom's quotes are kind of a weird mix of eerie but appropriate. They make me feel safe.
After that I'm a little more wishy-washy.
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I don't like Iso calling me town but continuing to harp on about my read on him/Wheat. It still reads as "yeah I'm scum but your reasons are bad so nyeh."
I don't like him claiming that as scum, instead of fishing, he'd just have left me alone and attempted to lynch someone else when he can never really be sure if I was crumbing or not. It just seems like he wants to look good for backing off a town PR.
I don't like his retelling of the events of this game. Too lazy to quote, so Iso will be in italics.
Wheat started on Vaimes in a similar manner that I did, after I opened the floodgates on Vaimes. This was opportunistic.
Iso placed a naked vote on me. Wheat didn't vote, but cited actual things I said to scumread me.
Actually, go back and look. The manner in which Iso and Wheat approached me are totally different.
Then, as soon as I expressed my change of read on Vaimes and started voting Wheat, the Iso wagon gained traction, and Wheat immediately hopped on.
He did not.
When you give bad reasons for townreading someone that makes it look like you aren't thinking from a town perspective, people are going to question that.
Vaimes
Hunt
tom
DV
Anak
Wheat
Iso
If Iso is town, then I suppose he could be right about Wheat, but eh.
I uh. Have no actual reads on DV or Anak besides "I skimmed their posts and nothing about them really bothered me." I'll fix that at some point.
I think that since Huntzilla tends to be a relatively easy read, and no one else is scumreading him in a game with one scum, then that means he's just town.
tom's quotes are kind of a weird mix of eerie but appropriate. They make me feel safe.
After that I'm a little more wishy-washy.
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I don't like Iso calling me town but continuing to harp on about my read on him/Wheat. It still reads as "yeah I'm scum but your reasons are bad so nyeh."
I don't like him claiming that as scum, instead of fishing, he'd just have left me alone and attempted to lynch someone else when he can never really be sure if I was crumbing or not. It just seems like he wants to look good for backing off a town PR.
I don't like his retelling of the events of this game. Too lazy to quote, so Iso will be in italics.
Wheat started on Vaimes in a similar manner that I did, after I opened the floodgates on Vaimes. This was opportunistic.
Iso placed a naked vote on me. Wheat didn't vote, but cited actual things I said to scumread me.
Actually, go back and look. The manner in which Iso and Wheat approached me are totally different.
Then, as soon as I expressed my change of read on Vaimes and started voting Wheat, the Iso wagon gained traction, and Wheat immediately hopped on.
He did not.
When you give bad reasons for townreading someone that makes it look like you aren't thinking from a town perspective, people are going to question that.
Vaimes
Hunt
tom
DV
Anak
Wheat
Iso
If Iso is town, then I suppose he could be right about Wheat, but eh.
I uh. Have no actual reads on DV or Anak besides "I skimmed their posts and nothing about them really bothered me." I'll fix that at some point.
Suppose I'm town and wrong about Wheat. Who's the Cultist?
I texted Megiddo and he said he would provide a votecount tonight.
I don't understand what you meant by that at all.
Don't scum pretty much always know that everyone else is town?
Then you understand perfectly well what I'm saying, as that's exactly my point.
So the scum never vote anyone?
Vote Iso
Come on man
That's not even close to what I'm saying. Please re-read and come back to this when you understand what the conversation I'm having with Anak is about.
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Iso: Wheat forgot to play to his town game, which is "paranoia of Iso", and then realized, "Oh *****, I'm not being townWheat and Iso is on to me for it. I need to act paranoid of him!
Anak: But Iso, how can Wheat be paranoid of younif he's scum?
Iso: I understand reading is hard, but obviously Wheat isn't LEGITIMATELY paranoid of me if he's scum:
DV: But Iso, don't scum know who the town is?
Iso: ...yes, I'm glad we're on the same page.
DV: So the scum never vote anyone? Welp, Iso's scum!
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@DV: We just had a conversation akin to this, if what I'm saying isn't clear:
Iso: Let's go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
DV: Yes, let us go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
Iso: Okay, great.
DV: *Picks up phone* "Hello, 911? Iso is about to rob a store of all of its lemonade."
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If you meant "town in with you" that game won't cut it. Iso was scum (alien) with me (and my hydra mates) in that one.
If you meant "town in with you" than feel free to continue...
Iso: Wheat forgot to play to his town game, which is "paranoia of Iso", and then realized, "Oh *****, I'm not being townWheat and Iso is on to me for it. I need to act paranoid of him!
Anak: But Iso, how can Wheat be paranoid of younif he's scum?
Iso: I understand reading is hard, but obviously Wheat isn't LEGITIMATELY paranoid of me if he's scum:
DV: But Iso, don't scum know who the town is?
Iso: ...yes, I'm glad we're on the same page.
DV: So the scum never vote anyone? Welp, Iso's scum!
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@DV: We just had a conversation akin to this, if what I'm saying isn't clear:
Iso: Let's go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
DV: Yes, let us go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
Iso: Okay, great.
DV: *Picks up phone* "Hello, 911? Iso is about to rob a store of all of its lemonade."
Your entire argument is that someone wouldn't vote someone because they only suspect that someone is scum.
And that scum would never vote someone because they know that person is town.
So your argument is that Wheat is scum because...? He's voting you? Cause hes Faking suspicion? Or that because he is suspicious of you he is scum?
It is a nonsensical argument.
@Iso Doesn't your entire argument about wheat fall apart if he wasn't actually paranoid of you?
Also no response to Vaimes basically saying you made parts of your retelling up to try and convey a point?
no and no
I literally re-read the game as I was making my case on Wheat because I didn't want to half-ass it. Vaimes is just wrong like everybody else in this game, except me because I caught the Cultist (and technically Wheat because he's playing to his win condition).
Iso: Wheat forgot to play to his town game, which is "paranoia of Iso", and then realized, "Oh *****, I'm not being townWheat and Iso is on to me for it. I need to act paranoid of him!
Anak: But Iso, how can Wheat be paranoid of younif he's scum?
Iso: I understand reading is hard, but obviously Wheat isn't LEGITIMATELY paranoid of me if he's scum:
DV: But Iso, don't scum know who the town is?
Iso: ...yes, I'm glad we're on the same page.
DV: So the scum never vote anyone? Welp, Iso's scum!
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@DV: We just had a conversation akin to this, if what I'm saying isn't clear:
Iso: Let's go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
DV: Yes, let us go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
Iso: Okay, great.
DV: *Picks up phone* "Hello, 911? Iso is about to rob a store of all of its lemonade."
Your entire argument is that someone wouldn't vote someone because they only suspect that someone is scum.
And that scum would never vote someone because they know that person is town.
So your argument is that Wheat is scum because...? He's voting you? Cause hes Faking suspicion? Or that because he is suspicious of you he is scum?
It is a nonsensical argument.
Oh my god read my case dude
I'm not a broken record, so please stop trying to turn me into one
Nothing that you're typing has any basis in reality.
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If you meant "town in with you" that game won't cut it. Iso was scum (alien) with me (and my hydra mates) in that one.
If you meant "town in with you" than feel free to continue...
If you meant "town in with you" that game won't cut it. Iso was scum (alien) with me (and my hydra mates) in that one.
If you meant "town in with you" than feel free to continue...
Meant the latter.
so iso how's it going
Little frustrated that I'm the only person putting effort into the game; you?
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@Iso: I'm doing fine because I'm the deprogrammer.
I was trying to wait to claim to see if anyone would respond to your case so I could get more data. About all I got out of it is that Anak is probably town.
Since I know I'll be asked, here's why I claimed - There's essentially more than one way to use the role. The first is that you can just mindlessly conftown someone. The second is that you can cop someone since you can't deprogram the cult and you're told if your ability fails. The third is that you can reveal yourself Day 1 and be conftown yourself, and then use 1 or 2 the next day and hope for the best. This doesn't work Day 2 if the cult successfully recruits someone.
I never planned to mindlessly conftown someone, I planned to cop. Nor am I in a position to be safe from the cult's goon cc'ing me tomorrow. Therefore I'm using my conftown status today while it's still useful. It's the safest way to make sure the game doesn't get thrown away tomorrow by me having been somewhat scummy if Iso turns out to be town.
However, I also don't think Iso is town. He's pushing that Vaimes is the deprogrammer even when that patently cannot be the case from a logical standpoint. A deprogrammer would never vote themselves. It's the wrong move for all of the ways to play the role. Iso knows it.
Iso has also been hedging very hard on me. He's building up a case on Vaimes for when I'm dead, in advance. He's playing our history for everything it's worth.
And despite our history, this time I think I'm right. Because Iso is good at mafia, and he's not playing good for his team.
If you meant "town in with you" that game won't cut it. Iso was scum (alien) with me (and my hydra mates) in that one.
If you meant "town in with you" than feel free to continue...
Meant the latter.
so iso how's it going
Little frustrated that I'm the only person putting effort into the game; you?
I was largely ignoring Tom this game because I find that sort of play style to be very annoying and open to interpretation, after I started reading Tom though I found his quotes to be very specific and not open to multiple interpretations.
Tom's town no matter how much I hate to say it.
Unless someone counter claims Wheat wheat is town.
Hi, D_V! Please name a single game in recent history where I've been town and haven't been as aggressive as a rabid porcupine with a laser cannon attachment once somebody has received a scumread from me. I mean, absolutely nothing you said about me and the events that have transpired in this game thus far have been even remotely close to based in reality, but I felt I could generate the best imagery by pointing out this one, in particular
But stuff like this is just silly to me from Iso. I agree with Wheat there is no way Iso is that bad at this game. I can point to a game Ace Attorney where Iso was aggressive specifically at the beginning of the game. So, I guess that made my point a null tell, but the way Iso paints it it makes him Town and clears him, which he knows it doesn't. Doesn't even remotely.
And then the rest of Iso's attack and defense is that Wheat is faking his suspicions of Iso and that is the only reason Iso is reading wheat as scum, while simultaneously attempting to move the wagon from him to Wheat. It's a classic OMGYS vote. Except he is attempting to do it with something he can't prove or at the very least hasn't proven remotely that is that Wheat is faking suspicion on him. And with Wheat clearly in my mind establishing himself as town, that makes Iso's entire defense bunk, but also makes him look even more scummy, because he was attempting to paint someone as scum simply for voting him.
Iso also tried to clear himself with “Trust tell” logic, which just made my eyes glaze over. Like your whole argument here is so meta. “Wheat knows that there are all VT, and I am VT and with so many VT I can't use it as a trust tell, so Wheat is pushing against me for reading me as scum and taking advantage of the game set up.” Really?
I wasn't trying to use it to paint me as town. I was saying that it makes you lazy and uninvested in the game, meaning you should probably reassess where you stand as far as reads go. Why would scumIso EVER say, "Hey DV, you're townreading me for a bad reason."? How was my push on Wheat OMGUS when I was pushing him first? And yes, my argument on Wheat was SUPER meta-based. Your point?
In other news, what did Wheat do that established him so strongly as town in your eyes, other than claiming Deprogrammer?
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@Vaimes: That's a stretch and if you're town and sincerely think that, you don't understand gameflow. However, given the fact that your timing on that was EXTREMELY calculated and you are not the Deprogrammer, you are lying about this, and you're scum.
Unvote, Vote Vaimes
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@Wheat: I'm not playing badly. I'm playing next level. Get on it.
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I have single-handedly generated more reactions and information from everybody about their alignment than anybody else. If that is not the definition of being a successful townie on Day 1, then I am the worst Mafia player alive.
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I have single-handedly generated more reactions and information from everybody about their alignment than anybody else. If that is not the definition of being a successful townie on Day 1, then I am the worst Mafia player alive.
And we all know that can't be true.
What would scum!Iso be doing then, if those are actions only taken by town!Iso?
Because all I'm hearing is "Look at me I was more town than the actual town, it's not fair that I'm being lynched even though I'm cult"
I have single-handedly generated more reactions and information from everybody about their alignment than anybody else. If that is not the definition of being a successful townie on Day 1, then I am the worst Mafia player alive.
And we all know that can't be true.
What would scum!Iso be doing then, if those are actions only taken by town!Iso?
Because all I'm hearing is "Look at me I was more town than the actual town, it's not fair that I'm being lynched even though I'm cult"
I have single-handedly generated more reactions and information from everybody about their alignment than anybody else. If that is not the definition of being a successful townie on Day 1, then I am the worst Mafia player alive.
And we all know that can't be true.
What would scum!Iso be doing then, if those are actions only taken by town!Iso?
Because all I'm hearing is "Look at me I was more town than the actual town, it's not fair that I'm being lynched even though I'm cult"
scumIso would have probably claimed to need to re-read the game at this point to stall for more time and hope the D_V wagon picked up in the lull. Alternatively, I could have bullrushed the Vaimes lynch earlier in the Day when he self-voted. But as you might recall, I was actually the one who initially put the halt on the wagon.
There is zero motivation for scumIso to prolong the Day, ever.
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Well, okay, that's not true - sometimes it's advantageous to drag out a Day to demotivate a town. But that's generally more effective in larger games that have been going on longer, neither of which is true in this situation.
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Yeah, cause like I was actually IRL busy, and got accused of lurking.
While Tom literally playing rolling commentary and continues to do so. While actually doing nothing pro-town and it's pissing me off because I'm reading him as town.
Maybe he's not, maybe I'm suffering from cat syndrome though IDK.
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I said that he's faking his suspicions of me and couldn't keep his read on me straight, then realized, "Oh *****, I need to be doing what townWheat does" and jumped on me.
Obviously scum don't legitimately scumread townies they know are town.
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Is that English?
vote DV
It lurks just under the surface, using the algae-choked tar pits of Jund as both home and hunting blind.
obviously
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I texted Megiddo and he said he would provide a votecount tonight.
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I don't understand what you meant by that at all.
Don't scum pretty much always know that everyone else is town?
post coming in like, an hour
this week has been gross
Then you understand perfectly well what I'm saying, as that's exactly my point.
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I think that since Huntzilla tends to be a relatively easy read, and no one else is scumreading him in a game with one scum, then that means he's just town.
tom's quotes are kind of a weird mix of eerie but appropriate. They make me feel safe.
After that I'm a little more wishy-washy.
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I don't like Iso calling me town but continuing to harp on about my read on him/Wheat. It still reads as "yeah I'm scum but your reasons are bad so nyeh."
I don't like him claiming that as scum, instead of fishing, he'd just have left me alone and attempted to lynch someone else when he can never really be sure if I was crumbing or not. It just seems like he wants to look good for backing off a town PR.
I don't like his retelling of the events of this game. Too lazy to quote, so Iso will be in italics.
Wheat started on Vaimes in a similar manner that I did, after I opened the floodgates on Vaimes. This was opportunistic.
Iso placed a naked vote on me. Wheat didn't vote, but cited actual things I said to scumread me.
Actually, go back and look. The manner in which Iso and Wheat approached me are totally different.
Then, as soon as I expressed my change of read on Vaimes and started voting Wheat, the Iso wagon gained traction, and Wheat immediately hopped on.
He did not.
When you give bad reasons for townreading someone that makes it look like you aren't thinking from a town perspective, people are going to question that.
Vaimes
Hunt
tom
DV
Anak
Wheat
Iso
If Iso is town, then I suppose he could be right about Wheat, but eh.
I uh. Have no actual reads on DV or Anak besides "I skimmed their posts and nothing about them really bothered me." I'll fix that at some point.
So the scum never vote anyone?
Vote Iso
Come on man
Suppose I'm town and wrong about Wheat. Who's the Cultist?
That's not even close to what I'm saying. Please re-read and come back to this when you understand what the conversation I'm having with Anak is about.
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Anak: But Iso, how can Wheat be paranoid of younif he's scum?
Iso: I understand reading is hard, but obviously Wheat isn't LEGITIMATELY paranoid of me if he's scum:
DV: But Iso, don't scum know who the town is?
Iso: ...yes, I'm glad we're on the same page.
DV: So the scum never vote anyone? Welp, Iso's scum!
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@DV: We just had a conversation akin to this, if what I'm saying isn't clear:
Iso: Let's go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
DV: Yes, let us go to the store and buy some lemonade. We are out of lemonade.
Iso: Okay, great.
DV: *Picks up phone* "Hello, 911? Iso is about to rob a store of all of its lemonade."
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read the last game i was town in with you
then report your thoughts pls
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i remember playing it at my dorm room so think year and a half ago
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/630696-battle-for-vanillaville-2-infernal-affairs
If you meant "town in with you" than feel free to continue...
Also no response to Vaimes basically saying you made parts of your retelling up to try and convey a point?
Current Votecount
Iso: D_V, Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder: Iso
D_V: Tomsloger, Huntzilla
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Your entire argument is that someone wouldn't vote someone because they only suspect that someone is scum.
And that scum would never vote someone because they know that person is town.
So your argument is that Wheat is scum because...? He's voting you? Cause hes Faking suspicion? Or that because he is suspicious of you he is scum?
It is a nonsensical argument.
It'll be fun.
no and no
I literally re-read the game as I was making my case on Wheat because I didn't want to half-ass it. Vaimes is just wrong like everybody else in this game, except me because I caught the Cultist (and technically Wheat because he's playing to his win condition).
Oh my god read my case dude
I'm not a broken record, so please stop trying to turn me into one
Nothing that you're typing has any basis in reality.
Read. The. Game.
no
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Asking for a friend.
tom, keep saying things. I like your things.
Iso, not Suso.
Meant the latter.
so iso how's it going
I mean, if Wheat's not scum and you're not the Deprogrammer, you're probably scum.
But at present, Wheat is scummier than you.
Outside of that, I'd lynch D_V for misrepresenting the very fabric of reality.
Little frustrated that I'm the only person putting effort into the game; you?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"Lucky for us. I thought we'd be bored."
I was trying to wait to claim to see if anyone would respond to your case so I could get more data. About all I got out of it is that Anak is probably town.
Since I know I'll be asked, here's why I claimed - There's essentially more than one way to use the role. The first is that you can just mindlessly conftown someone. The second is that you can cop someone since you can't deprogram the cult and you're told if your ability fails. The third is that you can reveal yourself Day 1 and be conftown yourself, and then use 1 or 2 the next day and hope for the best. This doesn't work Day 2 if the cult successfully recruits someone.
I never planned to mindlessly conftown someone, I planned to cop. Nor am I in a position to be safe from the cult's goon cc'ing me tomorrow. Therefore I'm using my conftown status today while it's still useful. It's the safest way to make sure the game doesn't get thrown away tomorrow by me having been somewhat scummy if Iso turns out to be town.
However, I also don't think Iso is town. He's pushing that Vaimes is the deprogrammer even when that patently cannot be the case from a logical standpoint. A deprogrammer would never vote themselves. It's the wrong move for all of the ways to play the role. Iso knows it.
Iso has also been hedging very hard on me. He's building up a case on Vaimes for when I'm dead, in advance. He's playing our history for everything it's worth.
And despite our history, this time I think I'm right. Because Iso is good at mafia, and he's not playing good for his team.
Even though he 100% should have.
Kill the witch.
Oh *****.
I didn't realize TS was in this game.
You're misreping me by saying I'm misreping you.
Dear lord.
—Bezzit Plar, Esper stormcaller
Tom's town no matter how much I hate to say it.
Unless someone counter claims Wheat wheat is town.
But stuff like this is just silly to me from Iso. I agree with Wheat there is no way Iso is that bad at this game. I can point to a game Ace Attorney where Iso was aggressive specifically at the beginning of the game. So, I guess that made my point a null tell, but the way Iso paints it it makes him Town and clears him, which he knows it doesn't. Doesn't even remotely.
And then the rest of Iso's attack and defense is that Wheat is faking his suspicions of Iso and that is the only reason Iso is reading wheat as scum, while simultaneously attempting to move the wagon from him to Wheat. It's a classic OMGYS vote. Except he is attempting to do it with something he can't prove or at the very least hasn't proven remotely that is that Wheat is faking suspicion on him. And with Wheat clearly in my mind establishing himself as town, that makes Iso's entire defense bunk, but also makes him look even more scummy, because he was attempting to paint someone as scum simply for voting him.
Iso also tried to clear himself with “Trust tell” logic, which just made my eyes glaze over. Like your whole argument here is so meta. “Wheat knows that there are all VT, and I am VT and with so many VT I can't use it as a trust tell, so Wheat is pushing against me for reading me as scum and taking advantage of the game set up.” Really?
In other news, what did Wheat do that established him so strongly as town in your eyes, other than claiming Deprogrammer?
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@Vaimes: That's a stretch and if you're town and sincerely think that, you don't understand gameflow. However, given the fact that your timing on that was EXTREMELY calculated and you are not the Deprogrammer, you are lying about this, and you're scum.
Unvote, Vote Vaimes
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@Wheat: I'm not playing badly. I'm playing next level. Get on it.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And we all know that can't be true.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso: D_V, Wheat_Grinder
Vaimes: Iso
D_V: Tomsloger, Huntzilla
Also sitting at 3 of 7 roles confirmed. Still need 4 more. Please let me know soon.
Thanks to Heroes of the Plane Studios for the sigpic.
Spider-Man Mafia 3 (Off-Site: NGA)
Metroid Mafia (Off-Site: Mafia Universe)
What would scum!Iso be doing then, if those are actions only taken by town!Iso?
Because all I'm hearing is "Look at me I was more town than the actual town, it's not fair that I'm being lynched even though I'm cult"
You forgot "Everyone's picking on me"
iso brown
he's a clown
that iso brown
he's gonna get caught
just you wait an see
'why's everybody always picking on me'
—Indra, nullmage of Vectis
scumIso would have probably claimed to need to re-read the game at this point to stall for more time and hope the D_V wagon picked up in the lull. Alternatively, I could have bullrushed the Vaimes lynch earlier in the Day when he self-voted. But as you might recall, I was actually the one who initially put the halt on the wagon.
There is zero motivation for scumIso to prolong the Day, ever.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Cause like even though it is easy to understand your intentions you've basically said nothing about the game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah, cause like I was actually IRL busy, and got accused of lurking.
While Tom literally playing rolling commentary and continues to do so. While actually doing nothing pro-town and it's pissing me off because I'm reading him as town.
Maybe he's not, maybe I'm suffering from cat syndrome though IDK.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player