Hey Mindreaver, good to see you too. You roll scum yet?
Not yet I'm beginning to think it won't happen.
Thoughts on the happenings so far?
CFC is a townlean, for passing the GJ reaction-test, and also being tonally different than star trek (although she was a replacement, so it's hard to tell). I didn't particularly like your 51, because it seemed a little self-aware regarding GJ, and the rest was a bit more wishy washy than you usually are. But it's page 2.
Too hedgy. Could have used this opportunity to improve read on Silver, but instead left the read hanging.
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Vote Mindreaver
Meh, me missing opportunities is not alignment indicative
As far as Silver, the last few games I've been in with him he's immediately made my obv!town list early. As of that post, he hadn't given me those warm fuzzies, but wasn't giving me the heebie-jeebies. I hope that clears ***** up. Since that post though, I've been more impressed.
@Ghosting:
*flashes back to GoldenEye*
Not pulling another one of those, are you?
@Vaimes:
Your pocket looks comfortable, but how will I know you aren't going to stab me in the night?
As much as I love fake claiming, this time I'm telling the truth.
GJ I don't really care if you think I'm town, however I'm interested in why you think I'm town based on what I said (lean town, specifically)? Can you expand on your WIFOM comment?
Feeling better and am at the gym rn so will read later. Inb4 I'm scum for saying I'm busy.
Proph, do you want me alive or dead?
@Anyone voting someone with a latent that requires a no lynch, let's not assume our mod would only make scum roles have patents like that. Or continue pushing it so we can catch scum easier.
Zomg's logic is bad, but doesn't necessarily come from ill intent. I don't believe scum would actually be so bold into suggesting such an anti-town plan.
Scarbo probably gets town points for pointing it out I suppose, but if he's scum, Zomg is as town as it gets.
@Silver: the wagon wasn't good, sure, but bad =/= scum. What in it made you feel D_V was scum for pushing it?
For me it seemed like you were defending GJ by attacking D_V, which is a scum trait more often than not.
Also, I'd like to say that I'd strongly prefer to not no lynch. Assuming I survive to the later days, the wagons toDay (especially the lynch wagon) will be useful to me.
That said, if we must no lynch (because a majority want to, or whatever) we should no lynch today, because once we start mislynching and heading towards lylo no lynching becomes much more difficult to justify (and could lose us the game if we're not careful).
On the other hand, we're probably giving up a mislynch if we no-lynch no matter when we do so (assuming there's an even number of scum). So I'd rather not do it at all.
So you care more about unlocking unknown abilities than scum hunting?
Isn't this a blatant misrep? Him wanting a no lynch doesn't mean he doesn't want to scum hunt. If a town player has a latent ability that requires a no lynch, they're going to be in favour of both.
Did you not consider that?
If we could agree on this plan we could end day 1 fairly quickly, start day 2 and see what route we think is best, and possibly have a very short day 2 with no lynch or a longer day with a lynch.
Do you want short days?
Why end a day sooner than we need to?
You don't think we could gain more by discussing more over time, even if we do agree on a no lynch or other plan? Even if everything's decided, we can still talk.
Yeah, I'm with Ghosting. No reason to end the day now when the game isn't stalled. Still lots of things to talk about. Most of us haven't made more than one or two posts.
@Ghosting:
*flashes back to GoldenEye*
Not pulling another one of those, are you?
@Vaimes:
Your pocket looks comfortable, but how will I know you aren't going to stab me in the night?
As much as I love fake claiming, this time I'm telling the truth.
GJ I don't really care if you think I'm town, however I'm interested in why you think I'm town based on what I said (lean town, specifically)? Can you expand on your WIFOM comment?
No, and stop ******* asking about it.
As far as why you are lean town, because you are posting more. I put you in the pile as nothing more than not posting in 24 hours, based on the lurker theory.
Came off infinitely more hostile than the original intention. But seriously, there is not town reason to actually read into why I said what I said, and please leave it alone.
CFC is a townlean, for passing the GJ reaction-test, and also being tonally different than star trek (although she was a replacement, so it's hard to tell). I didn't particularly like your 51, because it seemed a little self-aware regarding GJ, and the rest was a bit more wishy washy than you usually are. But it's page 2.
Too hedgy. Could have used this opportunity to improve read on Silver, but instead left the read hanging.
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Vote Mindreaver
Meh, me missing opportunities is not alignment indicative
As far as Silver, the last few games I've been in with him he's immediately made my obv!town list early. As of that post, he hadn't given me those warm fuzzies, but wasn't giving me the heebie-jeebies. I hope that clears ***** up. Since that post though, I've been more impressed.
Not quite clear.
What kind of posts are you talking about in particular?
So I think at this point we have several options on how to progress the game but we should probably start coming up with a plan now.
1)We Lynch Whoever - Business as normal, hopefully those with latent abilities that activate when they cast a vote on the lynched person get to activate their abilities
2)We Lynch Proph- Get the wild card out of play, sure he is telling us he will cooperate and whatnot but mafia is like the big brother house, checks get bounced daily. I know personally even with a crappier win-con i would try my hardest to win
3)We No-Lynch - We move to a no-lynch with the intention of activating abilities to hopefully progress the town.
I personally move for option 2, it eliminates the wild card from play while still allowing those with latent abilites activating based on casting a deciding vote to get their power. We eliminate one anti-town role (even if the person playing it is pro-town) and unlock some abilities that will hopefully be useful. Then i would propose that we No-Lynch on day 2 to activate everyone else.
Aside from "not mislynching," what benefits lie in lynching a claimed Neutral on Day 1?
I think I believe, at the absolute least, that Proph is not town. But I also have a very hard time seeing him offer himself up on a silver platter as soon as the game starts in a sneaky-scummy double-bluff kind of way. So I don't really have a huge problem with him sticking around as a non-mafia slot and vanilla-fying people closer to endgame.
Came off infinitely more hostile than the original intention. But seriously, there is not town reason to actually read into why I said what I said, and please leave it alone.
At this point I'm reading Ghosting as scum for his permanent fishing expedition.
Came off infinitely more hostile than the original intention. But seriously, there is not town reason to actually read into why I said what I said, and please leave it alone.
At this point I'm reading Ghosting as scum for his permanent fishing expedition.
CFC is a townlean, for passing the GJ reaction-test, and also being tonally different than star trek (although she was a replacement, so it's hard to tell). I didn't particularly like your 51, because it seemed a little self-aware regarding GJ, and the rest was a bit more wishy washy than you usually are. But it's page 2.
Too hedgy. Could have used this opportunity to improve read on Silver, but instead left the read hanging.
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Vote Mindreaver
Meh, me missing opportunities is not alignment indicative
As far as Silver, the last few games I've been in with him he's immediately made my obv!town list early. As of that post, he hadn't given me those warm fuzzies, but wasn't giving me the heebie-jeebies. I hope that clears ***** up. Since that post though, I've been more impressed.
What kind of posts are you talking about in particular?
Easy:
78: Silver shows that he's thinking about all aspects of proph's reveal. Promises more analysis, but doesn't want to dominate the discussion before others chime in.
Then followed up with 92: This is the promised analysis, and I found myself nodding a few times. "It's a problem at the moment because it forces me to play against the set-up, instead of against Proph's behavior" - That line alone makes up for "Echo?".
He has some interactions with jacko which don't go very far, but does try an engage with Soren on the subject of jacko. Which it good scumhunting behavior IMO.
Finally, 118, where he defends kosa's post. Which I thought was a good rebuttal.
On the subject of the proph claim, here is my opinion:
1) Proph is unlikely to be lying, unless he's scum. I've seen him burned badly by lying about his role (as town I might add). I don't think he's got the stomach to try it again, as a neutral/town player. As scum, he might lie, but honestly I'm at a loss as to figure out why. Like is his master plan to get lynched? Easier ways to do that... ask Fable. And if he just wants to eventually destroy power roles... he should have kept his mouth shut.
2) This is a dangerous role to have around. That alone makes me think not-scum. Because it puts any future claim in danger, and he just told us all about it. We might have to take him out at some point, if we out a power role of significance (like a cop), since his role doesn't kill, we'd have to roleblock him (which we don't even know we can). So outing himself might very well end up a death sentence.
3) There is no reason to kill him today, unless we stall like crazy toward a deadline. I'd rather have him gone, because of #2, than a no-lynch but that's pretty much the only scenario.
4) The tool you throw away today, is the dagger at your throat tomorrow. He's a tool. We use him. That's how it works. Maybe we win together, or maybe he's too dangerous to live. But I don't think we kill him today, and lose the chance to actually kill scum.
Ohh, I see what you mean. I didn't realise someone else had pointed it out and that GJ responded to them, just saw GJ's original WIFOM comment and was curious.
Oh no Ghosting is scum !!
@Proph: Ty for reminding me this is a Magic forum, I forget sometimes, lol. I haven't played in forever, but Kaladesh makes me want to.
I've already talked a little about my feelings re:Proph. Basically, as long as he doesn't vanillafy anyone until they unlock their latent abilities that's cool with me. Even if he vanillafies them the second after they unlock them, idc.
Came off infinitely more hostile than the original intention. But seriously, there is not town reason to actually read into why I said what I said, and please leave it alone.
At this point I'm reading Ghosting as scum for his permanent fishing expedition.
I feel like it's almost TSTBS
(too scummy to be scum)
I gotchu bra.
To me its soo scummy its probably scummy.
Am I right or am I right. You see that deflection we just got too?
Am I right or am I right. You see that deflection we just got too?
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What particularly about it is so scummy (given the explanation, comment itself, and others who asked)?
Have you been able to find other scummy traits of mine?
Do you genuinely think I'm scum?
Have you read my pseudo-claim?
Also...deflection?
I would like you to post what you think a townie would've posted in that case.
And it can't be an explanation, because that apparently is a deflection. Saying "Yeah I was curious, it was scummy, but since I now see where GJ already commented on it, I'm good", is scummy in what way?
I'm sure you're aware how weak this case is, and clearly you are just trying to push the wagon regardless, but let's see where it goes!
Came off infinitely more hostile than the original intention. But seriously, there is not town reason to actually read into why I said what I said, and please leave it alone.
At this point I'm reading Ghosting as scum for his permanent fishing expedition.
I feel like it's almost TSTBS
(too scummy to be scum)
I gotchu bra.
To me its soo scummy its probably scummy.
Am I right or am I right. You see that deflection we just got too?
Unvote Vote Ghosting
It's possible. I admit when I said that, his next post almost immediately made me feel silly. Like this:
Quote from Ghosting »
Ohh, I see what you mean. I didn't realise someone else had pointed it out and that GJ responded to them, just saw GJ's original WIFOM comment and was curious.
Oh no Ghosting is scum !!
Reads more than a normal amount of self-conscious. Ghosting is now null for read related reasons (as opposed to null for having nothing to read).
Hello Everyone! I am back from my pseudo-V/LA and will be reading and catching up soon. Just wanted to poke my head in to let everyone know I was still here.
Should be reading through in the next day, I will attempt a partial catch up tonight so that I am not too far behind. Thankfully it is only four pages.
You are far too defensive for so early in this game, I don't normally see such panic with so many questions off what you claim is so little of a reason to see you as scum. Why do you appear so scared and eager to prove innocence?
I will stop posting for now and give others a chance.
You misinterpret my tone, I have no issue being run up (as I said earlier to GJ). I'm scum hunting, 'y asking if he missed the obvious neutral claim I made earlier.
I believe his point for pushing a wagon is weak, therefore I will address it. I would do this for me or anyone else. 8 won't get lynched this game so is not concerned at all!
So I think at this point we have several options on how to progress the game but we should probably start coming up with a plan now.
1)We Lynch Whoever - Business as normal, hopefully those with latent abilities that activate when they cast a vote on the lynched person get to activate their abilities
2)We Lynch Proph- Get the wild card out of play, sure he is telling us he will cooperate and whatnot but mafia is like the big brother house, checks get bounced daily. I know personally even with a crappier win-con i would try my hardest to win
3)We No-Lynch - We move to a no-lynch with the intention of activating abilities to hopefully progress the town.
I personally move for option 2, it eliminates the wild card from play while still allowing those with latent abilites activating based on casting a deciding vote to get their power. We eliminate one anti-town role (even if the person playing it is pro-town) and unlock some abilities that will hopefully be useful. Then i would propose that we No-Lynch on day 2 to activate everyone else.
The best option here is to do plan one for now, because why waste time on 2 or 3. we have a lot of time to pressure each other and get info. I do think if we don't get anywhere plan 2 is not a bad move at the end of the phase though, because I would rather that then a lynch for no good reason. Hopefully by that point we have some ideas of potential scum though. I will say though this is a scummy post since you don't even want to consider lynching anyone, but would rather waste time on potential 3rd then follow that with no lynch. Do you not want to lynch scum and we don't need abilities to win but we do need good lynchs.
Id like to take a quick opportunity to respond to this, for starters did you see my post 160? Im backing off the lynch-proph idea as long as he cant hit our latent abilities. Plus I did give an option where we lynch as normal, just that HOPEFULLY those with latents that activate upon lynching get to activate their powers. I do want to lynch scum, but lets face it the scum is going to kill someone at night and it's probably going to be someone that self-claimed latent powers, most likely it will be a person who activates their latents today whether that be by lynch or no lynch and powers do save games, granted not as well as good lynching
I will change my vote to zomgarcwind for now their views on what to do today I don't see as town, like their interest in a no lynch and lynch of 3rd party, rather then scum hunting. I also don't like how rushed they seem planning for day 2 already, and wanting this day to end so soon. I know they backtracked on that but still annoys me. It is a little bit too scummy though and a scum would be more self aware and careful, but this is not always the case. I would also rather vote someone acting in a strange manner then someone who I was voting for no reason.
Vote: zomgarcwind
Hopefully after reading this post im reading more town to you. I really DO NOT like the concept of no-lynching, but I think its glaringly obvious that this game was designed to have a no-lynch at some point, preferably when the most amount of people are alive to reap the benefits and gain abilities. Here is where my exact mind is at:
1) Proph comes back and his ability DOES NOT hit latents- Keep him around and give him a chance, lynch elsewhere today, activate abilities then tomorrow consider our options again then the first time he vanilafy's a role lynch him and be done with it
2) Proph comes back and his ability DOES hit latents- Lynch him, activate latents, then tomorrow consider our options
As for my planning day 2, its not like im saying lets get _______ out today, ________ out tomorrow. Im saying lets activate one set of abilities today for sure, and maybe activate the second set tomorrow
I really dislike this, partially for the "hopefully I'm more town to you". zomgarcwind seems a bit jumpy bout being read as scummy, with relatively little actual pressure.
I'm still not interested in no-lynching. Saying the game is "designed" to have a no-lynch feels somewhat disingenuous to me - it's clear that there are roles designed to unlock with a no-lynch (as this has been claimed by multiple people), but that's different than saying that the game is specifically balanced for one. No-lynching at this point isn't putting our best foot forward - we need flips to get going, and delaying our ability to analyze interactions by a day to unlock a couple roles seems poor. I'm maybe open to revisiting this down the line, but as far as I'm concerned, putting your own ability unlocking above the town's ability to analyze is not good town play.
An added note- I DO think the game is balanced around unlocking these latent abilities, but that doesnt mean that the game is balanced around us unlocking them all
I really dislike this, partially for the "hopefully I'm more town to you". zomgarcwind seems a bit jumpy bout being read as scummy, with relatively little actual pressure.
I'm still not interested in no-lynching. Saying the game is "designed" to have a no-lynch feels somewhat disingenuous to me - it's clear that there are roles designed to unlock with a no-lynch (as this has been claimed by multiple people), but that's different than saying that the game is specifically balanced for one. No-lynching at this point isn't putting our best foot forward - we need flips to get going, and delaying our ability to analyze interactions by a day to unlock a couple roles seems poor. I'm maybe open to revisiting this down the line, but as far as I'm concerned, putting your own ability unlocking above the town's ability to analyze is not good town play.
/barn this.
Feeling better about Jack after his last few posts, so:
unvote
Also, @Mindreaver, I believe you've said twice now you've revised your read on me but are still voting me. Could I trouble you to try lynching scum if you don't think I am? Thanks.
@zomg: Are you in favor of a no lynch toDay or not? Take a stance one way or the other please.
Zomg's preoccupation with no-lynching seems more noob than scummy. And the way he treated Proph is totally town- "look if he comes back and says X, we lynch him," as if it hadn't occurred to him that Proph could lie.
I really dislike this, partially for the "hopefully I'm more town to you". zomgarcwind seems a bit jumpy bout being read as scummy, with relatively little actual pressure.
I'm still not interested in no-lynching. Saying the game is "designed" to have a no-lynch feels somewhat disingenuous to me - it's clear that there are roles designed to unlock with a no-lynch (as this has been claimed by multiple people), but that's different than saying that the game is specifically balanced for one. No-lynching at this point isn't putting our best foot forward - we need flips to get going, and delaying our ability to analyze interactions by a day to unlock a couple roles seems poor. I'm maybe open to revisiting this down the line, but as far as I'm concerned, putting your own ability unlocking above the town's ability to analyze is not good town play.
Im not putting unlocking my abilities over the town, im saying its an option if we feel we want to do it, and in my opinion the best day to do that would have been day two (Technically now it could be day one since im okay with proph staying) And if i came across as "The game is Specifically Balanced for a no-lynch" thats not what im trying to convey.
But, those were your exact words. "...but I think its glaringly obvious that this game was designed to have a no-lynch at some point, preferably when the most amount of people are alive to reap the benefits and gain abilities."
Also, I'm not sure I like that you're viewing the options as either lynching proph or no lynching today. I know that you mentioned in an earlier post that there's the regular option "we lynch whoever", but it really seems like you're focusing on the other two options rather than being open to finding scum and lynching them.
Zomg's preoccupation with no-lynching seems more noob than scummy. And the way he treated Proph is totally town- "look if he comes back and says X, we lynch him," as if it hadn't occurred to him that Proph could lie.
@Cythare: thoughts?
I guess I can see how this would be a noob move, but I think it could go either way. Focusing on the mechanics could be noob, but focusing on the "no lynch or lynch a neutral" feels more scummy. It's still early on, so it's not damning yet, but it sticks out to me.
Autocorrect on mobile is weird sometimes.
As far as Silver, the last few games I've been in with him he's immediately made my obv!town list early. As of that post, he hadn't given me those warm fuzzies, but wasn't giving me the heebie-jeebies. I hope that clears ***** up. Since that post though, I've been more impressed.
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Vote: zomgarcwind
It means it's WIFOM that should have no effect on the town -_-.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
*flashes back to GoldenEye*
Not pulling another one of those, are you?
@Vaimes:
Your pocket looks comfortable, but how will I know you aren't going to stab me in the night?
As much as I love fake claiming, this time I'm telling the truth.
GJ I don't really care if you think I'm town, however I'm interested in why you think I'm town based on what I said (lean town, specifically)? Can you expand on your WIFOM comment?
Feeling better and am at the gym rn so will read later. Inb4 I'm scum for saying I'm busy.
Proph, do you want me alive or dead?
@Anyone voting someone with a latent that requires a no lynch, let's not assume our mod would only make scum roles have patents like that. Or continue pushing it so we can catch scum easier.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I'm more thinking right now.
No lynch unlockers
Pro lynch unlockers(gasp)
Others
If anyone else has generic ones feel free to list.
Scarbo probably gets town points for pointing it out I suppose, but if he's scum, Zomg is as town as it gets.
@Silver: the wagon wasn't good, sure, but bad =/= scum. What in it made you feel D_V was scum for pushing it?
For me it seemed like you were defending GJ by attacking D_V, which is a scum trait more often than not.
In this case, yes. We don't lose much by no lynching on Day 1 and I'm a Timmy at heart, so yeah.
And actually no lynching =/= scum hunting but I digress.
Question: If you're assuming I'm scum, what does that mean for GJ and D_V?
That said, if we must no lynch (because a majority want to, or whatever) we should no lynch today, because once we start mislynching and heading towards lylo no lynching becomes much more difficult to justify (and could lose us the game if we're not careful).
On the other hand, we're probably giving up a mislynch if we no-lynch no matter when we do so (assuming there's an even number of scum). So I'd rather not do it at all.
Just food for thought.
Isn't this a blatant misrep? Him wanting a no lynch doesn't mean he doesn't want to scum hunt. If a town player has a latent ability that requires a no lynch, they're going to be in favour of both.
Did you not consider that?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Do you want short days?
Why end a day sooner than we need to?
You don't think we could gain more by discussing more over time, even if we do agree on a no lynch or other plan? Even if everything's decided, we can still talk.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
No, and stop ******* asking about it.
As far as why you are lean town, because you are posting more. I put you in the pile as nothing more than not posting in 24 hours, based on the lurker theory.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What kind of posts are you talking about in particular? Aside from "not mislynching," what benefits lie in lynching a claimed Neutral on Day 1?
I think I believe, at the absolute least, that Proph is not town. But I also have a very hard time seeing him offer himself up on a silver platter as soon as the game starts in a sneaky-scummy double-bluff kind of way. So I don't really have a huge problem with him sticking around as a non-mafia slot and vanilla-fying people closer to endgame. I won't, but I can't speak for my snake.
(OoG: I'm getting a baby snake soon and he will live in my pocket!)
Gutread on Mindreaver, go.
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Proph: if you are allowed to live, are you gonna be the towniest town to ever town? In an honorary way.
(i.e. bump this game up a little higher on your priority list)
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My latent ability activates if I am alive after Day 2, but I have no idea what it is. Exciting times.
Silvercrys3467 (2) - Mindreaver, Kosakosa
Prophylaxis (2) - SorenBlade, zomgarcwind
Mindreaver (2) - D_V, Vaimes
D_V (1) - Cythare
Cythare (1) - Chandra's Fiery Cat
shadowlancerx (1) - Jackrito
Jackrito (1) - Silvercrys3467
Ghosting (1) - Lil4leafclover
Huntzilla (1) - Gentleman Johnny
zomgarcwind (1): Scarbo
Not Voting (4) - Huntzilla, Ghosting, Prophylaxis, shadowlancerx
With 17 alive, it's 9 to lynch.
Vaimes is V/LA through Monday morning
Deadline is Friday, October 7th, at 11:59 PM EST.
At this point I'm reading Ghosting as scum for his permanent fishing expedition.
I feel like it's almost TSTBS
(too scummy to be scum)
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'll post more tomorrow.
Easy:
78: Silver shows that he's thinking about all aspects of proph's reveal. Promises more analysis, but doesn't want to dominate the discussion before others chime in.
Then followed up with 92: This is the promised analysis, and I found myself nodding a few times. "It's a problem at the moment because it forces me to play against the set-up, instead of against Proph's behavior" - That line alone makes up for "Echo?".
He has some interactions with jacko which don't go very far, but does try an engage with Soren on the subject of jacko. Which it good scumhunting behavior IMO.
Finally, 118, where he defends kosa's post. Which I thought was a good rebuttal.
So those changed my read.
1) Proph is unlikely to be lying, unless he's scum. I've seen him burned badly by lying about his role (as town I might add). I don't think he's got the stomach to try it again, as a neutral/town player. As scum, he might lie, but honestly I'm at a loss as to figure out why. Like is his master plan to get lynched? Easier ways to do that... ask Fable. And if he just wants to eventually destroy power roles... he should have kept his mouth shut.
2) This is a dangerous role to have around. That alone makes me think not-scum. Because it puts any future claim in danger, and he just told us all about it. We might have to take him out at some point, if we out a power role of significance (like a cop), since his role doesn't kill, we'd have to roleblock him (which we don't even know we can). So outing himself might very well end up a death sentence.
3) There is no reason to kill him today, unless we stall like crazy toward a deadline. I'd rather have him gone, because of #2, than a no-lynch but that's pretty much the only scenario.
4) The tool you throw away today, is the dagger at your throat tomorrow. He's a tool. We use him. That's how it works. Maybe we win together, or maybe he's too dangerous to live. But I don't think we kill him today, and lose the chance to actually kill scum.
>asks once
>permanent fishing expedition
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Ohh, I see what you mean. I didn't realise someone else had pointed it out and that GJ responded to them, just saw GJ's original WIFOM comment and was curious.
Oh no Ghosting is scum !!
@Proph: Ty for reminding me this is a Magic forum, I forget sometimes, lol. I haven't played in forever, but Kaladesh makes me want to.
I've already talked a little about my feelings re:Proph. Basically, as long as he doesn't vanillafy anyone until they unlock their latent abilities that's cool with me. Even if he vanillafies them the second after they unlock them, idc.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I gotchu bra.
To me its soo scummy its probably scummy.
Am I right or am I right. You see that deflection we just got too?
Unvote Vote Ghosting
What particularly about it is so scummy (given the explanation, comment itself, and others who asked)?
Have you been able to find other scummy traits of mine?
Do you genuinely think I'm scum?
Have you read my pseudo-claim?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
I would like you to post what you think a townie would've posted in that case.
And it can't be an explanation, because that apparently is a deflection. Saying "Yeah I was curious, it was scummy, but since I now see where GJ already commented on it, I'm good", is scummy in what way?
I'm sure you're aware how weak this case is, and clearly you are just trying to push the wagon regardless, but let's see where it goes!
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
It's possible. I admit when I said that, his next post almost immediately made me feel silly. Like this:
Reads more than a normal amount of self-conscious. Ghosting is now null for read related reasons (as opposed to null for having nothing to read).
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Should be reading through in the next day, I will attempt a partial catch up tonight so that I am not too far behind. Thankfully it is only four pages.
You misinterpret my tone, I have no issue being run up (as I said earlier to GJ). I'm scum hunting, 'y asking if he missed the obvious neutral claim I made earlier.
I believe his point for pushing a wagon is weak, therefore I will address it. I would do this for me or anyone else. 8 won't get lynched this game so is not concerned at all!
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Just to clarify: If you vanillafy someone, they can still unlock the ability? Or would they had to have unlocked the ability already?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Not 100% sure on this so I'll check.
Okay, cool. If it takes them away before they can unlock them I can't really support you being alive as much as I would like to.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Vote zomgarcwind
I really dislike this, partially for the "hopefully I'm more town to you". zomgarcwind seems a bit jumpy bout being read as scummy, with relatively little actual pressure.
I'm still not interested in no-lynching. Saying the game is "designed" to have a no-lynch feels somewhat disingenuous to me - it's clear that there are roles designed to unlock with a no-lynch (as this has been claimed by multiple people), but that's different than saying that the game is specifically balanced for one. No-lynching at this point isn't putting our best foot forward - we need flips to get going, and delaying our ability to analyze interactions by a day to unlock a couple roles seems poor. I'm maybe open to revisiting this down the line, but as far as I'm concerned, putting your own ability unlocking above the town's ability to analyze is not good town play.
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Going to actually start posting later today, need to finish some homework early.
I certainly hope we can all unlock them all.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Feeling better about Jack after his last few posts, so:
unvote
Also, @Mindreaver, I believe you've said twice now you've revised your read on me but are still voting me. Could I trouble you to try lynching scum if you don't think I am? Thanks.
@zomg: Are you in favor of a no lynch toDay or not? Take a stance one way or the other please.
Zomg's preoccupation with no-lynching seems more noob than scummy. And the way he treated Proph is totally town- "look if he comes back and says X, we lynch him," as if it hadn't occurred to him that Proph could lie.
@Cythare: thoughts?
Vote zomgarcwind
But, those were your exact words. "...but I think its glaringly obvious that this game was designed to have a no-lynch at some point, preferably when the most amount of people are alive to reap the benefits and gain abilities."
Also, I'm not sure I like that you're viewing the options as either lynching proph or no lynching today. I know that you mentioned in an earlier post that there's the regular option "we lynch whoever", but it really seems like you're focusing on the other two options rather than being open to finding scum and lynching them.
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Vote zomgarcwind
I guess I can see how this would be a noob move, but I think it could go either way. Focusing on the mechanics could be noob, but focusing on the "no lynch or lynch a neutral" feels more scummy. It's still early on, so it's not damning yet, but it sticks out to me.
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