Pretty much what Tom said, but to expand on it. You didn't ask the mod if Hunt is OK, you asked if he quit for game related reasons, and reading through Hunt's posts, especially the Hunt/Shadow exchange, there's nothing that would warrant a rage quit. Looks like you're looking for reasons to discredit Hunt/push Mind.
Vote: Zomgarcwind
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
1. Are you ignoring me? I asked for your thoughts in Hunt vs. shadow.
2. In no universe is zomg pushing on or discrediting the Hunt slot. That read is 100% BS and I will kill you for it.
3. Tell me who your partners are.
Rodemy, it's called reading the posts of the suspects and giving your thoughts on them. Please stop being vague and try.
Seppel, tom, and Rodemy: DoTA's read on zomg does not at all look like something town would think. I see no instance of zomg pushing on Hunt; much less using OOG reasons to push the slot. I would like for all three of you to give thoughts on this.
I don't really agree with Hunt's method, but he reads like town and shadow's responses haven't felt great. I could even buy Hunt's argument about Vaimes being shadow's buddy.
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
Why are you reading them as buddies?
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@Rodemy, I agree with you on quickwagons being unsettling, but I think your OTG death was more of a freak accident than a quickwagon.
I'm gonna need to reread a Seppel game or two, no idea how to read his posts.
Hi. I am still alive and still wish to play in this, I am just swamped with business right now. I should be free in a couple days, and absolutely free to participate plenty prior to the deadline. I am not caught up, but given there are under 200 posts I don't see that being a problem!
I just dont see shadow playing the same way he has in the other games ive seen him as town in. I'll give more specific examples later tonight/tomorrow when im not on my phone
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Can you explain why you'd say this wagon is great? Looks super ***** to me so far.
Not that hunt is necessarily wrong about the reaction test. He didn't explain it well.
@Shadow - The reason to propose a no-lynch with a lot of players who aren't expecting it, especially when it's suboptimal, is that it's a safe topic to generate a lot of content about. Scum feel safe asking for math, and investigating setup options, because it doesn't help actually solve the game. But it sure looks like it. A town player, by contrast, will usually disagree quickly and loudly. Because very seldom is it a good idea, and when it is, it's usually backed up with facts. There are some setups that you would want to, but they are few and far between.
In this case, we have two power roles, and 7 vanillas. Our worst case, is that we run somebody up and they have to claim a PR to save a mislynch (and then die during the night). It is definitely not worth giving up killing power for that. In another setup, where we knew that there could be cops and doctors and vigs galore, you might be able to make a case.
So, how you failed? You were chatty about it. Can somebody do math? Can we discuss the merits? Etc. This *could* be taken as scum wanting to generate content that goes nowhere. If it makes you feel any better, I thought shockwave's reaction was just as scummy. But I literally vote to kill him every game I'm in, so I'm not exactly sure what to make of that.
Can you respond to some of that, shadow? I'd like to know where your head was at.
In general, I like Seppel, and while Rodemy is making sense, he's also been really vocal. Like prodding people along, and pushing his views. Leading the wagon on shadow. I don't know, I'm suspicious there. Power wolf? Thoughts?
Nobody else has really made an impression. But I've only read through once, so things may change.
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
I don't like this type of reasoning, this is an anti town stance to take, unless there is a very, very good case to be made about us being scum buddies, which just isn't the case.
What were you trying to say with this? What about his post specifically elicited this comment?
He had just made a comment about Dota and my interactions being scummy, as in we made sense as partners to him. Only issue is that I hadn't interacted with him, and the extent of me even mentioning him was as a possible scum read. I still don't know what Tom thinks he saw, but getting info from him is like pulling teeth.
He backed away after hunt drilled into him, a thing i have seen scum do in various games.
I wasn't really hard pushing him in the first place (never even voted him because I legit was never solid on a scum read). I called him possible scum early, but the longer we went at it, the less scummy he felt. This is called changing your mind on a read, and town do it in almost every game.
Waitimg til monday to "cool off" is a ploy. Esspecially since hunt just got replaced.
Just because he isn't posting, doesn't mean he isnt reading the game.
He also didn't do the official V/la post.
Idk. I dont like it.
Can we lynch?
I really dislike this. You're trying to kick me when I'm down by discrediting me here. I'm sorry I didn't put the words "going on V/LA until Monday" in my post, but prodding me over semantics is not really within the spirit of the game, and presuming to know what is and isn't a ploy is sketchy territory.
I just dont see shadow playing the same way he has in the other games ive seen him as town in. I'll give more specific examples later tonight/tomorrow when im not on my phone
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Bear in mind as well that this is the first time I've been legitimately on the back foot and under fire in my games.
@Shadow - The reason to propose a no-lynch with a lot of players who aren't expecting it, especially when it's suboptimal, is that it's a safe topic to generate a lot of content about. Scum feel safe asking for math, and investigating setup options, because it doesn't help actually solve the game. But it sure looks like it. A town player, by contrast, will usually disagree quickly and loudly. Because very seldom is it a good idea, and when it is, it's usually backed up with facts. There are some setups that you would want to, but they are few and far between.
So some context: this is my second game that isn't a mini/micro, and in those it's pretty cut and dry. My understanding of no lynch is that it's almost always a bad idea, the one exception being with an even number of players. My thought process was: no, bad idea > well it is an even number of players > I'm not sure how the setup changes the basic math > someone is probably better suited to run the number than I am.
In this case, we have two power roles, and 7 vanillas. Our worst case, is that we run somebody up and they have to claim a PR to save a mislynch (and then die during the night). It is definitely not worth giving up killing power for that. In another setup, where we knew that there could be cops and doctors and vigs galore, you might be able to make a case.
So, how you failed? You were chatty about it. Can somebody do math? Can we discuss the merits? Etc. This *could* be taken as scum wanting to generate content that goes nowhere. If it makes you feel any better, I thought shockwave's reaction was just as scummy. But I literally vote to kill him every game I'm in, so I'm not exactly sure what to make of that.
I know this basically means nothing as I could say it from either alignment, but I genuinely didn't know if it was worth it, I wasn't trying to be chatty, I meant to get some clarity for myself on the subject.
Can you respond to some of that, shadow? I'd like to know where your head was at.
That's where I'm at currently.
In general, I like Seppel, and while Rodemy is making sense, he's also been really vocal. Like prodding people along, and pushing his views. Leading the wagon on shadow. I don't know, I'm suspicious there. Power wolf? Thoughts?
Nobody else has really made an impression. But I've only read through once, so things may change.
I don't like Rodemy here either, when Hunt and I got into it, he was on hunt while suggesting we might both be town. When I agreed with him, he flipped script, it feels like he wanted to get a lynch out of our fight one way or another. Possibly even felt he could set it up to a double mislynch.
I know it's not a lot, but it's enough that I feel okay with vote Rodemy
Hey guys thanks for being patient with me, between competitions, school, magic, etc i've been spread thinner than im used to.
So here is my notes on shadow right now- (I skipped posts that were fluff)
#7, #14- Pregame/RVS business as usual
#47- (Nov 7) Setting up lurking (but he never actually lurked) , vaimes banter
#50- Hunt Banter
#56- Asked us to do game math, First Real vote Hunt
#63- Banter Zomg
#86- First Contentish post mild Banter with Zomg
#91- Very reluctant to name scum reads, but makes it clear he wont vote me without good cause, this worries me because if he found [redacted] and is scum, oh boy…
#95- Starts in on Rodemy who is giving him legitimate pressure
#97- Brings up a good point, I was lurky at this time frame due to competition, but still it shows him being very reluctant to name scum reads
#105- Calls people out for lurking, justly, has decent questions for everyone
#115- In regards to tom reading him scum with AG
#122- Starts in on Hunt who is giving him legitimate pressure, defends against vaimes pressure without starting in on him, defends against tom without starting in on him
#133- Starts in on Hunt again
#137- Starts to lose his cool on Hunt
#139- Backpeddling a little on Hunt, and still wont name scum reads
#141- Feels like scum caught in a flushing toilet
#151- Takes a step back to catch his breath
#180- Checks back in, no content
Based on all this, Either Shadow or Hunt/Mind is definitively scum. Im leaning way more towards Shadow, he tried really hard to buddy up with people early in the game, has refused to name a real scum read, and went on the attack against multiple people with legitimate concerns.
Vote Shadow
Okay zomg, couple of things:
Post 56 was a late RVS vote on Kosa, not a serious vote on Hunt, I'm not sure if you just misread or what.
As far as naming scum reads, I'm not reluctant, just not confident in them. Town reads are much easier for me in games this size. At this point I like Rodemy and I'm leaning Dota, but I haven't looked to see if they even make sense together.
I don't know what [redacted] is, but it doesn't change the fact that I have in fact misread you multiple times, so lynching isn't going to happen without really good reason.
"Starts in on ___" is more aptly described as defending myself and explaining my thoughts. Yes I did pose some counter points, but I didn't case anyone until I just expressed my Rodemy thoughts.
I'm not sure what buddying you are describing (none of the posts you listed had "buddying" as the description) but it isn't even outside of my town range to buddy people. If you look at some of my completed games you'll find it.
Also, calling either me or Mind definitive scum at this point is just asking for a chain mislynch.
^Oh and outside RVS his only vote has been on Hunt/Mind. He's waiting for a wagon
First off, again, no, that vote never happened.
Second, no, I'm waiting until I have a proper scum read, and I do now. That is exactly the same thing I did the last time I played a large game.
@zomg - If I understand you correctly. Shadow flips town today, and you'd be 100% on this slot for scum? Is it truly a dichotomy for you? If so, can you point to a few things that you found independently scummy that hunt (or me I guess) did? Just curious about what's made you so certain that "it's definitely one of these two, and this is the best guess".
#56 was Kosa, my bad on that. But either way the vote still hasnt moved and I read it as more of a serious vote than RVS, This of course changes the definity of one of you having to be scum.
Buddying was defined as Banter in my notes, you bantered up with multiple people early on, using OTG2 as a springboard.
As for this being your first time questioned as scum, take a deep breath man, we can talk after the game about where you went wrong. Overall you did pretty good with the exception of putting yourself in timeout
You read my vote on Kosa for beating us in OTG2 as a serious vote? What?
I unvoted in 91, RVS was over, I was talking about my reads, and didn't have anything solid.
Banter = buddying to you, okay I guess...
Ha. Ha ha. No. I'm not scum, I didn't "go wrong", I responded to pressure of suspicion for the first time in any of my games ever. I don't appreciate that comment at all.
As far as my "timeout": when I'm losing my temper at people I care about in real life, it's time to step back and remind myself that I'm playing a game.
But that doesnt mean your slot hasnt said some scummyish things in the event that shadow flips town. Not nearly enough to tunnel though
Can you maybe elaborate? I just remember reading along and not getting the impression that this was a town/scum interaction, and now I know hunt's alignment. So I just don't see how you'd be so certain that we're unaligned.
So now i can't take back my vote on shadow because "oh ***** he is very scum keel naow plz" will happen
I am legit worried. Shadow screamed scum to me. But theb he makes very tiny points that make me question that read as well.
Like, him calling me out as scum makes me want to re read him? Is that normal? Maybe i am drilling down a townie and poor guy will get mislynched.
Or maybe i am actually right in my scum read and he is just ****in with my head.
Hete is my free flow thought process, from brain to keyboard
It's odd that shadow is calling me scum for calling him scum. Yes, maybe calling him out on taking a step back was low.
But hunts ideas were so good. Why worry about what a no lynch does? Math does nothing. Focusing on his rvs no lynch vote is just.. dumb. So dumb. Ugggggghhhh.
But shadow says he was honestly confused.
And now i am scum with DoTA in his mind.
Which is weird because i was just trying to make sense of him and hunts banter.
I am just gonna keep my vote and hope for the best.
I think i am overthinking.
I sided with hunt, i will stick with hunt. In hunt i trust.
****.
**** ****.
You better be scum or imma feel bad.
Feeling bad is bad
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Pretty much what Tom said, but to expand on it. You didn't ask the mod if Hunt is OK, you asked if he quit for game related reasons, and reading through Hunt's posts, especially the Hunt/Shadow exchange, there's nothing that would warrant a rage quit. Looks like you're looking for reasons to discredit Hunt/push Mind.
Vote: Zomgarcwind
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
1. Are you ignoring me? I asked for your thoughts in Hunt vs. shadow.
2. In no universe is zomg pushing on or discrediting the Hunt slot. That read is 100% BS and I will kill you for it.
3. Tell me who your partners are.
1. Hunt vs Shadow: Hunt made a very strong case, and while Shadow's replies weren't openly bad, it's not enough to make me doubt Hunt's read of him.
2. In what universe does town ask if a player rage-quit?
3. Me, myself and I.
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
Why are you reading them as buddies?
I believe in Hunt's read of Shadow, and the way zomgarcwind asked about why Hunt replaced out looks suspect. I cannot see town ever asking the question in that manner. He didn't asked why hunt replaced, but specifically mentioned rage-quit. Since Hunt's biggest push was on Shadow I think Zomg was fishing. And now Zomg has a scum read on him after a number of other people have agreed with Hunt's view.
I could be completely wrong about the why Hunt replaced thing, and it is a possibility that town!Zomg could ask that question, but that's a conversation for post-game where both our alignments are revealed and aren't skewing the conversation.
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
I don't like this type of reasoning, this is an anti town stance to take, unless there is a very, very good case to be made about us being scum buddies, which just isn't the case.
Considering that I've only just made a case as to why I made that statement, how can you say my case was bad?
In general, I like Seppel, and while Rodemy is making sense, he's also been really vocal. Like prodding people along, and pushing his views. Leading the wagon on shadow. I don't know, I'm suspicious there. Power wolf? Thoughts?
Nobody else has really made an impression. But I've only read through once, so things may change.
I don't like Rodemy here either, when Hunt and I got into it, he was on hunt while suggesting we might both be town. When I agreed with him, he flipped script, it feels like he wanted to get a lynch out of our fight one way or another. Possibly even felt he could set it up to a double mislynch.
I know it's not a lot, but it's enough that I feel okay with vote Rodemy
This is a terrible vote. Unvote.
Vote:Shadowlancerx
If either Zomg or Shadow flip scum I'm sitting on the other until they go down too.
I don't like this type of reasoning, this is an anti town stance to take, unless there is a very, very good case to be made about us being scum buddies, which just isn't the case.
Considering that I've only just made a case as to why I made that statement, how can you say my case was bad?
I didn't say your case was bad, I said there isn't a case to be made.
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In general, I like Seppel, and while Rodemy is making sense, he's also been really vocal. Like prodding people along, and pushing his views. Leading the wagon on shadow. I don't know, I'm suspicious there. Power wolf? Thoughts?
Nobody else has really made an impression. But I've only read through once, so things may change.
I don't like Rodemy here either, when Hunt and I got into it, he was on hunt while suggesting we might both be town. When I agreed with him, he flipped script, it feels like he wanted to get a lynch out of our fight one way or another. Possibly even felt he could set it up to a double mislynch.
I know it's not a lot, but it's enough that I feel okay with vote Rodemy
This is a terrible vote. Unvote.
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Whether you want to treat this as an L-2 is up to you.
Vote: ShadowlancerX
You're just as shady. Explain why shadow instead of you, please. Law of averages says you can't possibly be this scumtastic (5/7?), but I'm having a tough time figuring out exactly why you're voting him other than he's a leading wagon.
DoTA: why is asking if a player ragequit scummy? Hunt got replaced with literally zero warning when he was more or less one of the main focal points of the game.
DoTA: why is asking if a player ragequit scummy? Hunt got replaced with literally zero warning when he was more or less one of the main focal points of the game.
Why do you think shadow is town?
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Alright, so there is absolutely scum on my wagon at this point. The fact that I haven't been hammered at this point is really telling.
Everyone who is voting me, tell me exactly why, and what makes me the best lynch besides me being the only real wagon.
Alright, so there is absolutely scum on my wagon at this point. The fact that I haven't been hammered at this point is really telling.
Everyone who is voting me, tell me exactly why, and what makes me the best lynch besides me being the only real wagon.
Oops.
Only reason you aren't hammered yet is because tom has yet to return his vote to you, (@TOM EXPLAIN) and mindreaver hasn't replaced hunts vote on you.
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Alright, so there is absolutely scum on my wagon at this point. The fact that I haven't been hammered at this point is really telling.
Everyone who is voting me, tell me exactly why, and what makes me the best lynch besides me being the only real wagon.
Oops.
Only reason you aren't hammered yet is because tom has yet to return his vote to you, (@TOM EXPLAIN) and mindreaver hasn't replaced hunts vote on you.
People are more cautious with their votes in lynch situations, so regardless of the votes right now, town being cautious means scum are already riding my wagon.
Said oops because i thought my phone posted just a quote.. guess not.. ****in mobile.
(Asking why people are voting you, when a lot of us have already said why is bad.)
I am voting you because:
You latched onto that no lynch super quick, then when huntzilla said it was a "reaction test" your reply was sub par saying "oh, i knew that" if you knew it was a reaction test, why did you reply in a way that huntzilla would instantly call you scum?
Then you sprialed downward as hunt grilled you and then took a break.
Now you are fighting so hard to stay alive when, at this point, i, personally would have given up and let the town lynch me in order to progress the game and get a flip.
I've seen it plenty in other games when we end up lynching town.
Your reaction to this wagon is not consistant with a mislynch.
You have also offered very little in terms of who we should be voting for.
I am basing this on how i would have reacted if i were in your position.
I just see a late day scum fighting to stay alive.
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i basically just joined this game
everything that has happened so far ive technically read, but i retained nothing because all my brain was in that harry potter game
ive got this.
Town giving up is, quite frankly, bad play. I'm the only confirmed town, and giving up doesn't not play to my win con.
Your reasons don't line up with your posting in the moment as events unfolded Rodemy, I'm demanding people put their reasons down so that if I flip today, there is accountability for the dead townie.
Rodemy has changed his intentions to fit his narrative, and has seemed not to actually care who we lynch,
DoTArchon has behaved incredibly weirdly, and his posting just seems unnatural and forced,
Shock's early game was dodgy and he's only been floating under the radar because hunt and I took the spotlight.
I've already said it, but I'm not messing with Zomg until I know I can read him better, I've mislynched him/scum read him way more than is fair with both of us starting at the same time.
2. In no universe is zomg pushing on or discrediting the Hunt slot. That read is 100% BS and I will kill you for it.
3. Tell me who your partners are.
Seppel, tom, and Rodemy: DoTA's read on zomg does not at all look like something town would think. I see no instance of zomg pushing on Hunt; much less using OOG reasons to push the slot. I would like for all three of you to give thoughts on this.
Rodemy is probably town.
Clara hasn't explained post 25 yet.
Did you just copy this from Iso's comments last game?
What were you trying to say with this? What about his post specifically elicited this comment?
Why are you reading them as buddies?
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@Rodemy, I agree with you on quickwagons being unsettling, but I think your OTG death was more of a freak accident than a quickwagon.
I'm gonna need to reread a Seppel game or two, no idea how to read his posts.
Jeepers creepers
How about them peepers
>:[ i dont like this.
Reason: ignorance.
Do you think huntz argument was valid or null now that he is gone?
For everyone, before you say you want to read mindreaver before making a vote or an opinion, read hunt. Base it off of what he said.
Waiting on mindreaver is not condusive to town because it delays the game.
Hunt is town.
Make your votes.
On the block we have Shadow.
He backed away after hunt drilled into him, a thing i have seen scum do in various games.
Waitimg til monday to "cool off" is a ploy. Esspecially since hunt just got replaced.
Just because he isn't posting, doesn't mean he isnt reading the game.
He also didn't do the official V/la post.
Idk. I dont like it.
Can we lynch?
18,000 posts. still 22 living players.
i just dont have space for this in my short term memory, and absolutely never expected to be alive this long.
im sorry.
im not v/la, but im useless
shadow/dota/zomg is my guess. but, like, **** if i know
ill join yall eventually
sure. start reading the game and let me know when youre finished.
I want entertainment now.
Sorry once again.
well okay then
people who are waiting on Clara: do something else. This isn't a free pass for everyone to go radio silent.
Im holding you to this.
Not that hunt is necessarily wrong about the reaction test. He didn't explain it well.
@Shadow - The reason to propose a no-lynch with a lot of players who aren't expecting it, especially when it's suboptimal, is that it's a safe topic to generate a lot of content about. Scum feel safe asking for math, and investigating setup options, because it doesn't help actually solve the game. But it sure looks like it. A town player, by contrast, will usually disagree quickly and loudly. Because very seldom is it a good idea, and when it is, it's usually backed up with facts. There are some setups that you would want to, but they are few and far between.
In this case, we have two power roles, and 7 vanillas. Our worst case, is that we run somebody up and they have to claim a PR to save a mislynch (and then die during the night). It is definitely not worth giving up killing power for that. In another setup, where we knew that there could be cops and doctors and vigs galore, you might be able to make a case.
So, how you failed? You were chatty about it. Can somebody do math? Can we discuss the merits? Etc. This *could* be taken as scum wanting to generate content that goes nowhere. If it makes you feel any better, I thought shockwave's reaction was just as scummy. But I literally vote to kill him every game I'm in, so I'm not exactly sure what to make of that.
Can you respond to some of that, shadow? I'd like to know where your head was at.
In general, I like Seppel, and while Rodemy is making sense, he's also been really vocal. Like prodding people along, and pushing his views. Leading the wagon on shadow. I don't know, I'm suspicious there. Power wolf? Thoughts?
Nobody else has really made an impression. But I've only read through once, so things may change.
Sorry again for disappearing over the weekend.
Ha ha silly Tom, I only need to read about 3 pages to find the scum.
Also I don't have a link to it.
I don't like this type of reasoning, this is an anti town stance to take, unless there is a very, very good case to be made about us being scum buddies, which just isn't the case.
I'm not so sure about this, I'll address this lower
I haven't pulled my responses from any other game, if Iso said something similar then it's happenstance.
He had just made a comment about Dota and my interactions being scummy, as in we made sense as partners to him. Only issue is that I hadn't interacted with him, and the extent of me even mentioning him was as a possible scum read. I still don't know what Tom thinks he saw, but getting info from him is like pulling teeth.
I agree
You seem a little hasty.
I wasn't really hard pushing him in the first place (never even voted him because I legit was never solid on a scum read). I called him possible scum early, but the longer we went at it, the less scummy he felt. This is called changing your mind on a read, and town do it in almost every game.
I really dislike this. You're trying to kick me when I'm down by discrediting me here. I'm sorry I didn't put the words "going on V/LA until Monday" in my post, but prodding me over semantics is not really within the spirit of the game, and presuming to know what is and isn't a ploy is sketchy territory.
Bear in mind as well that this is the first time I've been legitimately on the back foot and under fire in my games.
So some context: this is my second game that isn't a mini/micro, and in those it's pretty cut and dry. My understanding of no lynch is that it's almost always a bad idea, the one exception being with an even number of players. My thought process was: no, bad idea > well it is an even number of players > I'm not sure how the setup changes the basic math > someone is probably better suited to run the number than I am.
I know this basically means nothing as I could say it from either alignment, but I genuinely didn't know if it was worth it, I wasn't trying to be chatty, I meant to get some clarity for myself on the subject.
That's where I'm at currently.
I don't like Rodemy here either, when Hunt and I got into it, he was on hunt while suggesting we might both be town. When I agreed with him, he flipped script, it feels like he wanted to get a lynch out of our fight one way or another. Possibly even felt he could set it up to a double mislynch.
I know it's not a lot, but it's enough that I feel okay with vote Rodemy
Okay zomg, couple of things:
Post 56 was a late RVS vote on Kosa, not a serious vote on Hunt, I'm not sure if you just misread or what.
As far as naming scum reads, I'm not reluctant, just not confident in them. Town reads are much easier for me in games this size. At this point I like Rodemy and I'm leaning Dota, but I haven't looked to see if they even make sense together.
I don't know what [redacted] is, but it doesn't change the fact that I have in fact misread you multiple times, so lynching isn't going to happen without really good reason.
"Starts in on ___" is more aptly described as defending myself and explaining my thoughts. Yes I did pose some counter points, but I didn't case anyone until I just expressed my Rodemy thoughts.
I'm not sure what buddying you are describing (none of the posts you listed had "buddying" as the description) but it isn't even outside of my town range to buddy people. If you look at some of my completed games you'll find it.
Also, calling either me or Mind definitive scum at this point is just asking for a chain mislynch.
First off, again, no, that vote never happened.
Second, no, I'm waiting until I have a proper scum read, and I do now. That is exactly the same thing I did the last time I played a large game.
Lots of walls huh
You read my vote on Kosa for beating us in OTG2 as a serious vote? What?
I unvoted in 91, RVS was over, I was talking about my reads, and didn't have anything solid.
Banter = buddying to you, okay I guess...
Ha. Ha ha. No. I'm not scum, I didn't "go wrong", I responded to pressure of suspicion for the first time in any of my games ever. I don't appreciate that comment at all.
As far as my "timeout": when I'm losing my temper at people I care about in real life, it's time to step back and remind myself that I'm playing a game.
This is hard.
So now i can't take back my vote on shadow because "oh ***** he is very scum keel naow plz" will happen
I am legit worried. Shadow screamed scum to me. But theb he makes very tiny points that make me question that read as well.
Like, him calling me out as scum makes me want to re read him? Is that normal? Maybe i am drilling down a townie and poor guy will get mislynched.
Or maybe i am actually right in my scum read and he is just ****in with my head.
Hete is my free flow thought process, from brain to keyboard
It's odd that shadow is calling me scum for calling him scum. Yes, maybe calling him out on taking a step back was low.
But hunts ideas were so good. Why worry about what a no lynch does? Math does nothing. Focusing on his rvs no lynch vote is just.. dumb. So dumb. Ugggggghhhh.
But shadow says he was honestly confused.
And now i am scum with DoTA in his mind.
Which is weird because i was just trying to make sense of him and hunts banter.
I am just gonna keep my vote and hope for the best.
I think i am overthinking.
I sided with hunt, i will stick with hunt. In hunt i trust.
****.
**** ****.
You better be scum or imma feel bad.
Feeling bad is bad
1. Hunt vs Shadow: Hunt made a very strong case, and while Shadow's replies weren't openly bad, it's not enough to make me doubt Hunt's read of him.
2. In what universe does town ask if a player rage-quit?
3. Me, myself and I.
I believe in Hunt's read of Shadow, and the way zomgarcwind asked about why Hunt replaced out looks suspect. I cannot see town ever asking the question in that manner. He didn't asked why hunt replaced, but specifically mentioned rage-quit. Since Hunt's biggest push was on Shadow I think Zomg was fishing. And now Zomg has a scum read on him after a number of other people have agreed with Hunt's view.
I could be completely wrong about the why Hunt replaced thing, and it is a possibility that town!Zomg could ask that question, but that's a conversation for post-game where both our alignments are revealed and aren't skewing the conversation.
Considering that I've only just made a case as to why I made that statement, how can you say my case was bad?
This is a terrible vote.
Unvote.
Vote:Shadowlancerx
shadowlancerx - Rodemy, Seppel, zomgarcwind, DotArchon
Rodemy - shadowlancerx
With 12 alive the threshold is 7 votes.
You have until 0000 on November 28th GMT -6 to reach a majority or a No Lynch will occur.
The Family
I didn't say your case was bad, I said there isn't a case to be made.
After Rodemy's last post it I strongly disagree.
Whether you want to treat this as an L-2 is up to you.
Vote: ShadowlancerX
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DoTA: why is asking if a player ragequit scummy? Hunt got replaced with literally zero warning when he was more or less one of the main focal points of the game.
Why do you think shadow is town?
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I'll probably look at votes more closely in a bit.
Reading and *****
Everyone who is voting me, tell me exactly why, and what makes me the best lynch besides me being the only real wagon.
Oops.
Only reason you aren't hammered yet is because tom has yet to return his vote to you, (@TOM EXPLAIN) and mindreaver hasn't replaced hunts vote on you.
People are more cautious with their votes in lynch situations, so regardless of the votes right now, town being cautious means scum are already riding my wagon.
(Asking why people are voting you, when a lot of us have already said why is bad.)
I am voting you because:
You latched onto that no lynch super quick, then when huntzilla said it was a "reaction test" your reply was sub par saying "oh, i knew that" if you knew it was a reaction test, why did you reply in a way that huntzilla would instantly call you scum?
Then you sprialed downward as hunt grilled you and then took a break.
Now you are fighting so hard to stay alive when, at this point, i, personally would have given up and let the town lynch me in order to progress the game and get a flip.
I've seen it plenty in other games when we end up lynching town.
Your reaction to this wagon is not consistant with a mislynch.
You have also offered very little in terms of who we should be voting for.
I am basing this on how i would have reacted if i were in your position.
I just see a late day scum fighting to stay alive.
rodemy
babe
all in due time
i basically just joined this game
everything that has happened so far ive technically read, but i retained nothing because all my brain was in that harry potter game
ive got this.
Your reasons don't line up with your posting in the moment as events unfolded Rodemy, I'm demanding people put their reasons down so that if I flip today, there is accountability for the dead townie.
who is the scum on your wagon?
ok fine.
i blinked first.
still though. answer the question.
why?
and perhaps more importantly, why not zomg?
DoTArchon has behaved incredibly weirdly, and his posting just seems unnatural and forced,
Shock's early game was dodgy and he's only been floating under the radar because hunt and I took the spotlight.
I've already said it, but I'm not messing with Zomg until I know I can read him better, I've mislynched him/scum read him way more than is fair with both of us starting at the same time.