Haha, I haven't left. I'm disappointed that you're trying to lead my lynch, but if you're scum then you've played very well.
I spouted your praise for the exact reason of drawing the framer off of you if you were town. I planned to cop you from the get go and assumed that if I could at least guarantee the framer didn't hit you, then a guilty was 100% accurate. An innocent still meant nothing, but I've read you pretty strong town regardless.
The issue is the team still could be you, or meteor paired with DV. The correct lynch today is DV though, from where I sit, cause I know exactly what my investigation result says.
Can someone answer the million dollar question as to why DV "lied" about his claim in the first place? I strongly hinted at not investigating GJ, hoping scum would claim guilty from the get go, but it's only well after that he decide to go for the gambit.
That makes no sense. Scum wouldn't claim guilty on me unless they framed me.
Or if they strongly suspected that no one would have copped you, the situation I tried to create.
@meteor: you misunderstand. I absolutely copped GJ, and it said innocent. I just wanted scum to believe that I wouldn't cop him.
Can someone answer the million dollar question as to why DV "lied" about his claim in the first place? I strongly hinted at not investigating GJ, hoping scum would claim guilty from the get go, but it's only well after that he decide to go for the gambit.
That makes no sense. Scum wouldn't claim guilty on me unless they framed me.
Or if they strongly suspected that no one would have copped you, the situation I tried to create.
@meteor: you misunderstand. I absolutely copped GJ, and it said innocent. I just wanted scum to believe that I wouldn't cop him.
Did you have other options to cop? Who were they, and what was the reasoning?
Can someone answer the million dollar question as to why DV "lied" about his claim in the first place? I strongly hinted at not investigating GJ, hoping scum would claim guilty from the get go, but it's only well after that he decide to go for the gambit.
That makes no sense. Scum wouldn't claim guilty on me unless they framed me.
Or if they strongly suspected that no one would have copped you, the situation I tried to create.
@meteor: you misunderstand. I absolutely copped GJ, and it said innocent. I just wanted scum to believe that I wouldn't cop him.
Did you have other options to cop? Who were they, and what was the reasoning?
Once I started reading GJ as town, I never had any intent to cop anyone else. I wanted my results to be as accurate as possible, hence my day 1 play.
Haha, I haven't left. I'm disappointed that you're trying to lead my lynch, but if you're scum then you've played very well.
I spouted your praise for the exact reason of drawing the framer off of you if you were town. I planned to cop you from the get go and assumed that if I could at least guarantee the framer didn't hit you, then a guilty was 100% accurate. An innocent still meant nothing, but I've read you pretty strong town regardless.
The issue is the team still could be you, or meteor paired with DV. The correct lynch today is DV though, from where I sit, cause I know exactly what my investigation result says.
Don't you think its unlikely GJ is paired with D_V after this D_V vote for GJ?
Also, I know I am not mafia.
And the whole situation with you and D_V also makes me think you are not mafia together.
So therefore chances are bigger its Anak between the two.
However, with how D_V dropped the bomb and disappeared its really hard to see him as anything that is not mafia.
@Anak Thanks for not voting GJ!
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
@Anak Thanks for not voting GJ!
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
I have to say. As good as I feel about you, you are making me a bit nervous with how confidant you think DV is the liar here. How do you know I am just full of crap?
Haha, I haven't left. I'm disappointed that you're trying to lead my lynch, but if you're scum then you've played very well.
I spouted your praise for the exact reason of drawing the framer off of you if you were town. I planned to cop you from the get go and assumed that if I could at least guarantee the framer didn't hit you, then a guilty was 100% accurate. An innocent still meant nothing, but I've read you pretty strong town regardless.
The issue is the team still could be you, or meteor paired with DV. The correct lynch today is DV though, from where I sit, cause I know exactly what my investigation result says.
Don't you think its unlikely GJ is paired with D_V after this D_V vote for GJ?
Also, I know I am not mafia.
And the whole situation with you and D_V also makes me think you are not mafia together.
So therefore chances are bigger its Anak between the two.
However, with how D_V dropped the bomb and disappeared its really hard to see him as anything that is not mafia.
Does not compute.
Scum voting scum in LyLo is very possible, it's not like town is gonna snap hammer. Why are you dismissing even the chance at a DV/Anak team with a "cleared" Anak after the DV lynch. It actually kind of makes sense if Anak is the Godfather, as DV couldn't let him get lynched or they both go down for mechanics.
@Anak Thanks for not voting GJ!
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
I have to say. As good as I feel about you, you are making me a bit nervous with how confidant you think DV is the liar here. How do you know I am just full of crap?
Hard pushing no-voting is not alignment indicative, this could be coming from either alignment.
@Anak Thanks for not voting GJ!
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
@Anak Thanks for not voting GJ!
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
I have to say. As good as I feel about you, you are making me a bit nervous with how confidant you think DV is the liar here. How do you know I am just full of crap?
If you are mafia then I got played and good for you, but you are the biggest town read by far I have. Nothing have ever made me think otherwise.
When I see something I read as mafia from you (hopefully not) thats when I'll get paranoid.
Haha, I haven't left. I'm disappointed that you're trying to lead my lynch, but if you're scum then you've played very well.
I spouted your praise for the exact reason of drawing the framer off of you if you were town. I planned to cop you from the get go and assumed that if I could at least guarantee the framer didn't hit you, then a guilty was 100% accurate. An innocent still meant nothing, but I've read you pretty strong town regardless.
The issue is the team still could be you, or meteor paired with DV. The correct lynch today is DV though, from where I sit, cause I know exactly what my investigation result says.
Don't you think its unlikely GJ is paired with D_V after this D_V vote for GJ?
Also, I know I am not mafia.
And the whole situation with you and D_V also makes me think you are not mafia together.
So therefore chances are bigger its Anak between the two.
However, with how D_V dropped the bomb and disappeared its really hard to see him as anything that is not mafia.
Does not compute.
Scum voting scum in LyLo is very possible, it's not like town is gonna snap hammer. Why are you dismissing even the chance at a DV/Anak team with a "cleared" Anak after the DV lynch. It actually kind of makes sense if Anak is the Godfather, as DV couldn't let him get lynched or they both go down for mechanics.
Doubt mafia framed their godfather as it means they lose someone a mafia today no matter what, can't see them doing that. Specially as both were read pretty badly by everyone in Day 1.
Its a possibility I just see it as a very small one.
@Anak Thanks for not voting GJ!
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
I have to say. As good as I feel about you, you are making me a bit nervous with how confidant you think DV is the liar here. How do you know I am just full of crap?
Hard pushing no-voting is not alignment indicative, this could be coming from either alignment.
Hard pushing no-lynch here you are right, isn't why he is being town read. Him not voting with you or Anak around is eliminating so many potential team combinations though, even if I pretend his tone hasn't been pure, that means the only person he could be scum with is DV. I suppose it's possible, but insanely unlikely.
@Anak Thanks for not voting GJ!
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
I have to say. As good as I feel about you, you are making me a bit nervous with how confidant you think DV is the liar here. How do you know I am just full of crap?
If you are mafia then I got played and good for you, but you are the biggest town read by far I have. Nothing have ever made me think otherwise.
When I see something I read as mafia from you (hopefully not) thats when I'll get paranoid.
Haha, I haven't left. I'm disappointed that you're trying to lead my lynch, but if you're scum then you've played very well.
I spouted your praise for the exact reason of drawing the framer off of you if you were town. I planned to cop you from the get go and assumed that if I could at least guarantee the framer didn't hit you, then a guilty was 100% accurate. An innocent still meant nothing, but I've read you pretty strong town regardless.
The issue is the team still could be you, or meteor paired with DV. The correct lynch today is DV though, from where I sit, cause I know exactly what my investigation result says.
Don't you think its unlikely GJ is paired with D_V after this D_V vote for GJ?
Also, I know I am not mafia.
And the whole situation with you and D_V also makes me think you are not mafia together.
So therefore chances are bigger its Anak between the two.
However, with how D_V dropped the bomb and disappeared its really hard to see him as anything that is not mafia.
Does not compute.
Scum voting scum in LyLo is very possible, it's not like town is gonna snap hammer. Why are you dismissing even the chance at a DV/Anak team with a "cleared" Anak after the DV lynch. It actually kind of makes sense if Anak is the Godfather, as DV couldn't let him get lynched or they both go down for mechanics.
Doubt mafia framed their godfather as it means they lose someone a mafia today no matter what, can't see them doing that. Specially as both were read pretty badly by everyone in Day 1.
Its a possibility I just see it as a very small one.
Except if they did and now GJ wants to put me on a scum team with one of them, then it was at least partially successful. Don't count any wacky strategy out for this play group.
Shadow, you are also being super hedgey right now, which is making it feel more and more you are trying to keep as many people as mis-lynch material as possible.
Shadow, you are also being super hedgey right now, which is making it feel more and more you are trying to keep as many people as mis-lynch material as possible.
Anyone who is scum has to be scum with DV, that's a foregone conclusion, and the only person I will lynch today is DV, I was only holding my vote off because I respect the requests put forth, but let me make it abundantly clear. VOTE DV
I will not be unvoting. I have 3 people that I have to figure out as his partner, but DV is my lynch today. He is the right lynch today, he is scum.
It doesn't actually matter meteor. He is throwing DV under a bus real quick. DV is lying and there is no combination of people that would hammer him right now.
There is no way my next level play happened. It would have been far too risky with Anak and DV claiming first. If there was any more spread, or if even one of us targeted Meteor (who wasn't clear at the end of yesterday), it would have been obvious.
Anak's target makes sense.
Shadows doesn't.
DVs doesn't either. He really thought I was the scummier one after that crap wagon?
God, that claim vote by Anak felt so awkward. Is he really the town between the three remaining?
Literally ride or die on Meteor. If he is scum, I accept my defeat. If Anak/DV are scum, I also accept defeat. Either this guy can fake a super pure tone, or DV/Anak did some next level ***** and got away with it.
@Shadow I'm not counting out anything just saying its a very small possibility. Do you disagree?
All the combinations with D_V seems whacky to me. Honestly, not sure which one is wackier.
Problem is if D_V is mafia basically all his partners are small possibilities for me: Whether its GJ, Anak or you.
Oh well, lets take this day by day and lynch a mafia first, whoever it is.
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ. GJ and I cannot be scum together, we would have hammered. So unless your scum team is exactly me/Anak, then DV is scum.
If DV is not scum, then why did he vote Anak, when they feasibly could have been town together, instead of me, who would have been lying from his perspective.
Your DV partners may seem improbable, but Anak/me is the only possible team that can exisit without DV on it from where you stand.
@Shadow I'm not counting out anything just saying its a very small possibility. Do you disagree?
All the combinations with D_V seems whacky to me. Honestly, not sure which one is wackier.
Problem is if D_V is mafia basically all his partners are small possibilities for me: Whether its GJ, Anak or you.
Oh well, lets take this day by day and lynch a mafia first, whoever it is.
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ. GJ and I cannot be scum together, we would have hammered. So unless your scum team is exactly me/Anak, then DV is scum.
If DV is not scum, then why did he vote Anak, when they feasibly could have been town together, instead of me, who would have been lying from his perspective.
Your DV partners may seem improbable, but Anak/me is the only possible team that can exisit without DV on it from where you stand.
Me and Shadow actually can be. Our votes together do not kill anyone. Only me and DV have had votes on us.
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ
God, that claim vote by Anak felt so awkward. Is he really the town between the three remaining?
Literally ride or die on Meteor. If he is scum, I accept my defeat. If Anak/DV are scum, I also accept defeat. Either this guy can fake a super pure tone, or DV/Anak did some next level ***** and got away with it.
I'm not faking anything and we will catch them if it's them.
@Shadow I'm not counting out anything just saying its a very small possibility. Do you disagree?
All the combinations with D_V seems whacky to me. Honestly, not sure which one is wackier.
Problem is if D_V is mafia basically all his partners are small possibilities for me: Whether its GJ, Anak or you.
Oh well, lets take this day by day and lynch a mafia first, whoever it is.
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ. GJ and I cannot be scum together, we would have hammered. So unless your scum team is exactly me/Anak, then DV is scum.
If DV is not scum, then why did he vote Anak, when they feasibly could have been town together, instead of me, who would have been lying from his perspective.
Your DV partners may seem improbable, but Anak/me is the only possible team that can exisit without DV on it from where you stand.
I read this post three times and still didn't get it, which is surely my fault.
I'll read it again after some rest.
There is really something that I wanna see and I don't want to say why, but I'm waiting for it, hopefully it can happen before the lynch.
@Shadow I'm not counting out anything just saying its a very small possibility. Do you disagree?
All the combinations with D_V seems whacky to me. Honestly, not sure which one is wackier.
Problem is if D_V is mafia basically all his partners are small possibilities for me: Whether its GJ, Anak or you.
Oh well, lets take this day by day and lynch a mafia first, whoever it is.
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ. GJ and I cannot be scum together, we would have hammered. So unless your scum team is exactly me/Anak, then DV is scum.
If DV is not scum, then why did he vote Anak, when they feasibly could have been town together, instead of me, who would have been lying from his perspective.
Your DV partners may seem improbable, but Anak/me is the only possible team that can exisit without DV on it from where you stand.
Me and Shadow actually can be. Our votes together do not kill anyone. Only me and DV have had votes on us.
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ
Wut
Tried to type this post once already, site crashed on me. Basically swap Anak and GJ, I swapped DV's vote around in my head but the logic still follows. Basically Anak and I could have hammered, so a non DV team would have to be GJ/me.
Scum is in DV, Anak, GJ because all three have someone claiming a guilty result, which means one is absolutely lying.
God, that claim vote by Anak felt so awkward. Is he really the town between the three remaining?
Literally ride or die on Meteor. If he is scum, I accept my defeat. If Anak/DV are scum, I also accept defeat. Either this guy can fake a super pure tone, or DV/Anak did some next level ***** and got away with it.
I'm not faking anything and we will catch them if it's them.
@Shadow I'm not counting out anything just saying its a very small possibility. Do you disagree?
All the combinations with D_V seems whacky to me. Honestly, not sure which one is wackier.
Problem is if D_V is mafia basically all his partners are small possibilities for me: Whether its GJ, Anak or you.
Oh well, lets take this day by day and lynch a mafia first, whoever it is.
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ. GJ and I cannot be scum together, we would have hammered. So unless your scum team is exactly me/Anak, then DV is scum.
If DV is not scum, then why did he vote Anak, when they feasibly could have been town together, instead of me, who would have been lying from his perspective.
Your DV partners may seem improbable, but Anak/me is the only possible team that can exisit without DV on it from where you stand.
I read this post three times and still didn't get it, which is surely my fault.
I'll read it again after some rest.
There is really something that I wanna see and I don't want to say why, but I'm waiting for it, hopefully it can happen before the lynch.
That's my fault, I swapped DV's vote in my head when writing the post. Just swap Anak and GJ and it makes sense.
The fact that you ruled this out as a possibility and didn't even mention if a scum member is voting then they can't be auto lynched is bogus.
If someone is voting scum then they too won't be lynched.
Stop trying to use that as a clear.
You're scum there's no other options here and Shadow is your partner.
DV, if I'm lying, why aren't you addressing me directly. At this point, yes GJ is the only possible partner I have, but when you voted and called him scum, that was not even close to the case. A town snap vote from you would have had to be on me, and no one else.
Yes, I get why you suspect Shadow.
But why GJ and not Anak?
Maybe GJ is telling the truth and Anak is lying about you.
Then GJ would be dead and we would have lost.
IDK maybe Anak hasn't noticed where the vote was.
Yes, maybe now in retrospect.
When you revealed the Shadow lie. You were so sure its GJ.
Why? It could have easily been Anak, and everything still checks out.
You even got investigated as guilty by her! She was your prime suspect day 1! Surely, you didn't just take her word 100% granted.
What made you think that another person would even suspect GJ? Everyone saw him as town, why investigate him of all people, and expecting someone else to also?
Yes, I get why you suspect Shadow.
But why GJ and not Anak?
Maybe GJ is telling the truth and Anak is lying about you.
I wasn't going to say anything until the end of the claims, but there was absolutely zero reason for the mafia to lie here. They know who the Godfather is and who the framed player is, and how each result will turn out. The fact that DV thinks shadow would lie about that is so telling to me.
What made you think that another person would even suspect GJ? Everyone saw him as town, why investigate him of all people, and expecting someone else to also?
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I spouted your praise for the exact reason of drawing the framer off of you if you were town. I planned to cop you from the get go and assumed that if I could at least guarantee the framer didn't hit you, then a guilty was 100% accurate. An innocent still meant nothing, but I've read you pretty strong town regardless.
The issue is the team still could be you, or meteor paired with DV. The correct lynch today is DV though, from where I sit, cause I know exactly what my investigation result says.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Or if they strongly suspected that no one would have copped you, the situation I tried to create.
@meteor: you misunderstand. I absolutely copped GJ, and it said innocent. I just wanted scum to believe that I wouldn't cop him.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
DV is scum and believes he can win if he doesn't accidentally derail town, of course he left.
Did you have other options to cop? Who were they, and what was the reasoning?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Which is why they framed Anak, or Anak/DV have super hard core rolled us. Not likely.
Once I started reading GJ as town, I never had any intent to cop anyone else. I wanted my results to be as accurate as possible, hence my day 1 play.
Don't you think its unlikely GJ is paired with D_V after this D_V vote for GJ?
Also, I know I am not mafia.
And the whole situation with you and D_V also makes me think you are not mafia together.
So therefore chances are bigger its Anak between the two.
However, with how D_V dropped the bomb and disappeared its really hard to see him as anything that is not mafia.
Does not compute.
STAY
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Has to be DV/Shadow
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I need to go also, be back later.
Why do I have a feeling I'll come back to a fast lynch like day 1?
At least make it a successful one guys
I have to say. As good as I feel about you, you are making me a bit nervous with how confidant you think DV is the liar here. How do you know I am just full of crap?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Scum voting scum in LyLo is very possible, it's not like town is gonna snap hammer. Why are you dismissing even the chance at a DV/Anak team with a "cleared" Anak after the DV lynch. It actually kind of makes sense if Anak is the Godfather, as DV couldn't let him get lynched or they both go down for mechanics.
Hard pushing no-voting is not alignment indicative, this could be coming from either alignment.
That lynch should not have even happened.
If you are mafia then I got played and good for you, but you are the biggest town read by far I have. Nothing have ever made me think otherwise.
When I see something I read as mafia from you (hopefully not) thats when I'll get paranoid.
Doubt mafia framed their godfather as it means they lose someone a mafia today no matter what, can't see them doing that. Specially as both were read pretty badly by everyone in Day 1.
Its a possibility I just see it as a very small one.
Hard pushing no-lynch here you are right, isn't why he is being town read. Him not voting with you or Anak around is eliminating so many potential team combinations though, even if I pretend his tone hasn't been pure, that means the only person he could be scum with is DV. I suppose it's possible, but insanely unlikely.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Except if they did and now GJ wants to put me on a scum team with one of them, then it was at least partially successful. Don't count any wacky strategy out for this play group.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Anyone who is scum has to be scum with DV, that's a foregone conclusion, and the only person I will lynch today is DV, I was only holding my vote off because I respect the requests put forth, but let me make it abundantly clear.
VOTE DV
I will not be unvoting. I have 3 people that I have to figure out as his partner, but DV is my lynch today. He is the right lynch today, he is scum.
Are you aware how many combinations there are to vote together and finish this game right now, either going after GJ or after D_V?
Why can't we hear the people first before we vote?
See? I can't be scum with Meteor right now
The GJ way path to no lynching:
All the combinations with D_V seems whacky to me. Honestly, not sure which one is wackier.
Problem is if D_V is mafia basically all his partners are small possibilities for me: Whether its GJ, Anak or you.
Oh well, lets take this day by day and lynch a mafia first, whoever it is.
DV/Anak
DV/GJ
DV/Meteor
There is no way my next level play happened. It would have been far too risky with Anak and DV claiming first. If there was any more spread, or if even one of us targeted Meteor (who wasn't clear at the end of yesterday), it would have been obvious.
Anak's target makes sense.
Shadows doesn't.
DVs doesn't either. He really thought I was the scummier one after that crap wagon?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Literally ride or die on Meteor. If he is scum, I accept my defeat. If Anak/DV are scum, I also accept defeat. Either this guy can fake a super pure tone, or DV/Anak did some next level ***** and got away with it.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So there is absolutely scum between DV and me, and there is also absolutely scum between DV, Anak, and GJ. GJ and I cannot be scum together, we would have hammered. So unless your scum team is exactly me/Anak, then DV is scum.
If DV is not scum, then why did he vote Anak, when they feasibly could have been town together, instead of me, who would have been lying from his perspective.
Your DV partners may seem improbable, but Anak/me is the only possible team that can exisit without DV on it from where you stand.
Me and Shadow actually can be. Our votes together do not kill anyone. Only me and DV have had votes on us.
Wut
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm not faking anything and we will catch them if it's them.
I read this post three times and still didn't get it, which is surely my fault.
I'll read it again after some rest.
There is really something that I wanna see and I don't want to say why, but I'm waiting for it, hopefully it can happen before the lynch.
Like the scum team is OBV Shadow GJ.
GJ won't get power lynched because he is one of the scum and won't vote himself.
Shadow is scum and voting me and so I won't get lynched either.
For real scum team is GJ and Shadow final answer.
If someone is voting scum then they too won't be lynched.
Stop trying to use that as a clear.
You're scum there's no other options here and Shadow is your partner.
Tried to type this post once already, site crashed on me. Basically swap Anak and GJ, I swapped DV's vote around in my head but the logic still follows. Basically Anak and I could have hammered, so a non DV team would have to be GJ/me.
Scum is in DV, Anak, GJ because all three have someone claiming a guilty result, which means one is absolutely lying.
That's my fault, I swapped DV's vote in my head when writing the post. Just swap Anak and GJ and it makes sense.
Shadow is lying about his investigation.
Yes, I get why you suspect Shadow.
But why GJ and not Anak?
Maybe GJ is telling the truth and Anak is lying about you.
DV, if I'm lying, why aren't you addressing me directly. At this point, yes GJ is the only possible partner I have, but when you voted and called him scum, that was not even close to the case. A town snap vote from you would have had to be on me, and no one else.
Then GJ would be dead and we would have lost.
IDK maybe Anak hasn't noticed where the vote was.
Explain why shadow as my partner, would believe you on your innocent result.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
That's a good point.
I may have just outplayed myself by trying to outplay the scum team.
Yes, maybe now in retrospect.
When you revealed the Shadow lie. You were so sure its GJ.
Why? It could have easily been Anak, and everything still checks out.
You even got investigated as guilty by her! She was your prime suspect day 1! Surely, you didn't just take her word 100% granted.
What made you think that another person would even suspect GJ? Everyone saw him as town, why investigate him of all people, and expecting someone else to also?
I wasn't going to say anything until the end of the claims, but there was absolutely zero reason for the mafia to lie here. They know who the Godfather is and who the framed player is, and how each result will turn out. The fact that DV thinks shadow would lie about that is so telling to me.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
He'll flip scum I promise.
What made you think that another person would even suspect GJ? Everyone saw him as town, why investigate him of all people, and expecting someone else to also?