On the one hand I want you to be town because that would mean our good fortune is replacing the curse, but on the other hand you really want to be scum this game so I want you to be scum, but then that would mean I'd get frustrated or something and have to lynch you and then that sucks, so I don't know what I want.
Like I wish you would have said something along the lines of since you scum read me and I talked about nacho in my first post that gave you a town lean there, but you didn't. You claimed that it was off rvs, but nacho didn't post. He should be in your null or not sorted yet.
I now think you remmebered nacho because you've talked in a qt, which is depressing I wanted nacho to be town.
Also, Osie, to second Anak, why did you post your T/S list so early into the game. Is the RVS vote that significant to you?
Ehh. It's a starting point. My reads are pretty fluid, and I somewhat spurn meta reads, so a snapshot of my reads at some point mostly just says how I'm feeling about what I've seen so far.
I'm still not caring for Tom, but I think I agree with the others that you should answer the question, Ophidia.
After Ophidia's post it should have been 9 posts of Vote Ophidia
that is because of all your games I have read, the town always have a very ambiguous read on you. That is referring to the biceps mafia and the overwatch mafia.
Also D_V why was my post scummy?
So D_V is scummy because he's hard to get a read on? What?!?
After Ophidia's post it should have been 9 posts of Vote Ophidia
that is because of all your games I have read, the town always have a very ambiguous read on you. That is referring to the biceps mafia and the overwatch mafia.
Also D_V why was my post scummy?
So D_V is scummy because he's hard to get a read on? What?!?
Osie, I think that you did not get my point. To me, RVS votes are purely random, especially when I am the first to vote. I vote D_V for the same reason cantrip voted for Kpaca tbh.
Osie, I think that you did not get my point. To me, RVS votes are purely random, especially when I am the first to vote. I vote D_V for the same reason cantrip voted for Kpaca tbh.
Okay, I guess. Were you also not paying attention to the Voxx discussion in the setup thread?
Osie, I think that you did not get my point. To me, RVS votes are purely random, especially when I am the first to vote. I vote D_V for the same reason cantrip voted for Kpaca tbh.
Okay, I guess. Were you also not paying attention to the Voxx discussion in the setup thread?
I don't think Rodemy's mod vote is necessarily alignment indicative. I've seen that "scum tell" brought up a few times and never really agreed with it.
Waiting to see where the Tammy pushers are going for now, I might have some comments on that ~later.
Hrm.
I guess RVS is dead, then. Will be dead. Was dead tomorrow?
unvote
Cantrip can have a couple townpoints for murdering RVS I suppose.
Blimey, i like yer spunk, mate. But jeeeeeeeeze do you trust too esissyt.... essilsy... easilily...
*hick* yer too trusting..
That was some.. sly. Foolery *hick*
vote cantrip
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Osie, I think that you did not get my point. To me, RVS votes are purely random, especially when I am the first to vote. I vote D_V for the same reason cantrip voted for Kpaca tbh.
Okay, I guess. Were you also not paying attention to the Voxx discussion in the setup thread?
Blimey, i like yer spunk, mate. But jeeeeeeeeze do you trust too esissyt.... essilsy... easilily...
*hick* yer too trusting..
That was some.. sly. Foolery *hick*
vote cantrip
Cantrip, Silver, and I are all active and analytical. So RVS is bad for the three of us as town. As scum, Cantrip can just coast through RVS. But he's not; he's actively putting pressure on people. And I have a lot of respect for him trying hard to trip up people as scum during RVS. Now, maybe Cantrip is just being good at scum. Wouldn't surprise me. But at the moment I'm still leaning town.
Blimey, i like yer spunk, mate. But jeeeeeeeeze do you trust too esissyt.... essilsy... easilily...
*hick* yer too trusting..
That was some.. sly. Foolery *hick*
vote cantrip
Cantrip, Silver, and I are all active and analytical. So RVS is bad for the three of us as town. As scum, Cantrip can just coast through RVS. But he's not; he's actively putting pressure on people. And I have a lot of respect for him trying hard to trip up people as scum during RVS. Now, maybe Cantrip is just being good at scum. Wouldn't surprise me. But at the moment I'm still leaning town.
Osie, now that you brought this up, I am starting to have this constant dread that cantrip performs flawlessly as scum this game, like in Overwatch.
Blimey, i like yer spunk, mate. But jeeeeeeeeze do you trust too esissyt.... essilsy... easilily...
*hick* yer too trusting..
That was some.. sly. Foolery *hick*
vote cantrip
Cantrip, Silver, and I are all active and analytical. So RVS is bad for the three of us as town. As scum, Cantrip can just coast through RVS. But he's not; he's actively putting pressure on people. And I have a lot of respect for him trying hard to trip up people as scum during RVS. Now, maybe Cantrip is just being good at scum. Wouldn't surprise me. But at the moment I'm still leaning town.
Osie, now that you brought this up, I am starting to have this constant dread that cantrip performs flawlessly as scum this game, like in Overwatch.
Cantrip, please don't be scum this game.
If this game is, say, Tom + Cantrip + Shadow + ??? as scum, then I think we're screwed from the start.
Osie, I think that you did not get my point. To me, RVS votes are purely random, especially when I am the first to vote. I vote D_V for the same reason cantrip voted for Kpaca tbh.
Osie, now that you brought this up, I am starting to have this constant dread that cantrip performs flawlessly as scum this game, like in Overwatch.
Cantrip, please don't be scum this game.
Ok? I mean, I can say "I'm not", but what does that actually do for you? I'm a little suspicious of your comment because it seems like you're trying to plant a seed. Why make this plea like this?
Why would scum!Tom attack this early in the game with a "this is role-related" argument?
It's not even primarily that which seems fishy. He somehow clears Rodemy (because of role playing? Dunno) and throws shade at Tammy and Zionite. On top of that, he has this seemingly made-up "role-related" argument.
Come to think of it, why do you have a scumlean on me? Since I'm guessing your degree of pressure on my so far is either related to that or is more sinister.
After giving the MATTER due CONSIDERATION, I have made the DECISION to open my CLAIM up to DISCUSSION.
INFORMATION you will find USEFUL to your DELIBERATION follows.
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I have an INFORMATION ROLE that activates at TWILIGHT.
CONSTRAINTS placed on this INFORMATION make it SOMEWHAT USELESS in a vacuum (i.e. to me alone).
The INFORMATION will be CONFIRMED PUBLICLY shortly after I ANNOUNCE it, relatively speaking.
The INFORMATION will NOT CLEAR ME and may, in fact, induce PARANOIA about my ALIGNMENT.
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Please INDICATE at your EARLIEST CONVENIENCE if you believe I should CLAIM IN FULL to allow us to MAKE BEST USE of my INFORMATION.
It is POSSIBLE some PERSON or PERSONS UNKNOWN may divine my CLAIM through the INFORMATION in this LETTER.
I ask that that PERSON or PERSONS refrain from CLAIMING on my BEHALF or CLAIMING themselves.
Thank you for your ATTENTION.
it now makes sense that we are having a 24 hour twilight.
I think the claim or discussion looks townie but beyond that I don't have an opinion on whether or not you should full claim. You should do whatever you think is best with your role.
Why would scum!Tom attack this early in the game with a "this is role-related" argument?
It's not even primarily that which seems fishy. He somehow clears Rodemy (because of role playing? Dunno) and throws shade at Tammy and Zionite. On top of that, he has this seemingly made-up "role-related" argument.
Come to think of it, why do you have a scumlean on me? Since I'm guessing your degree of pressure on my so far is either related to that or is more sinister.
Why would scum!Tom attack this early in the game with a "this is role-related" argument?
It's not even primarily that which seems fishy. He somehow clears Rodemy (because of role playing? Dunno) and throws shade at Tammy and Zionite. On top of that, he has this seemingly made-up "role-related" argument.
Come to think of it, why do you have a scumlean on me? Since I'm guessing your degree of pressure on my so far is either related to that or is more sinister.
Why would scum!Tom attack this early in the game with a "this is role-related" argument?
It's not even primarily that which seems fishy. He somehow clears Rodemy (because of role playing? Dunno) and throws shade at Tammy and Zionite. On top of that, he has this seemingly made-up "role-related" argument.
Yeah, it's that "role-related" argument that gives me Town vibes. I mean, he's tossed it out there, all casual like. If he can't back it up, he's going to get scrutiny, which is just what scum doesn't want, especially this early in the game (at least, usually). I'm not saying that it's fishy; I'm asking you to make sense of that action coming from scum. How would that make sense to you?
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Come to think of it, why do you have a scumlean on me? Since I'm guessing your degree of pressure on my so far is either related to that or is more sinister.
...you seriously have to ask this? I don't feel like I've been cryptic or vague in my questions over the last few hours. So lets do a little exercise. You tell me why you think I'm scumreading you.
Silver, you get some townpoints for tossing that out there. I have an opinion on you fullclaiming, but I would like to hold off saying anything until after more people have responded to you.
Why would scum!Tom attack this early in the game with a "this is role-related" argument?
It's not even primarily that which seems fishy. He somehow clears Rodemy (because of role playing? Dunno) and throws shade at Tammy and Zionite. On top of that, he has this seemingly made-up "role-related" argument.
Come to think of it, why do you have a scumlean on me? Since I'm guessing your degree of pressure on my so far is either related to that or is more sinister.
ok im off work now but im gonna go pay attention to my mash first because sooner deadline/40 people dead already/etc
apparently osi's claim was a joke but... i could almost do that in a roundabout way and im town so...
but the immediate omgus onto me and then just finding other things to shade me with feels inorganic. there was a post when he said something like "still not liking tom" when i hadnt posted more. fake progression? ill reread thoroughly tonight but i think my vote is now 100% serious.
i didnt like zionite's post but it didnt even stick with me why. (also him and axel were both experienced players that i played one game with when i first started out and then they sort of stopped playing so theyre in a list of "good players that dont show up much" with, like, xyre/az/formerlycyan and my memory is hazy on who is who. ill check to see where i know zionite from. i wanna say the classic and either disinheritance or 3lp unless those were both axel)
@tammy
im not appeasing you. i just dont have a roadmap to reading you because the one i was using was broken.
Yeah, it's that "role-related" argument that gives me Town vibes. I mean, he's tossed it out there, all casual like. If he can't back it up, he's going to get scrutiny, which is just what scum doesn't want, especially this early in the game (at least, usually). I'm not saying that it's fishy; I'm asking you to make sense of that action coming from scum. How would that make sense to you?
That's reasonable. I figured: If Tom has a town power role, he's unnecessarily drawing attention to himself. If he's vanilla town or near-vanilla town, then well, I guess he's throwing himself in front of the power roles. If he's scum, then he's making himself less likely to be lynched.
...you seriously have to ask this? I don't feel like I've been cryptic or vague in my questions over the last few hours. So lets do a little exercise. You tell me why you think I'm scumreading you.
It honestly looks to me like you're either still stuck in RVS, you're scum, or you are reading something into one of my early posts that isn't there.
apparently osi's claim was a joke but... i could almost do that in a roundabout way and im town so...
but the immediate omgus onto me and then just finding other things to shade me with feels inorganic. there was a post when he said something like "still not liking tom" when i hadnt posted more. fake progression? ill reread thoroughly tonight but i think my vote is now 100% serious.
Immediate omgus? What? I voted you after you threw stuff out there, sounding somewhat serious, without reasoning after we were already nearing an end to RVS... Saying that I have yet to find anyone who I find has more notable scumtells than you is scummy, how?
Silver, you get some townpoints for tossing that out there. I have an opinion on you fullclaiming, but I would like to hold off saying anything until after more people have responded to you.
Do you want to see other people claim? It honestly still seems rather early, except for Tom, given the "role-related" comment.
I'd be interested in hearing what other people think about Tom at the moment.
Cantrip, I honestly don't know why you're coming after me. As far as I was concerned I'm perfectly fine with us teaming up with Silver, kpaca, and others to prevent the end of the world.
I think the claim or discussion looks townie but beyond that I don't have an opinion on whether or not you should full claim. You should do whatever you think is best with your role.
I fully intend to, but I wanted other people to talk about it because I'm not exactly sure what *is* best. It might be better to claim despite the risk of having the information tampered with by a scum role that may or may not exist because another town role needs the info. Like, I can't do much with it on my own, so if someone else can use it...
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Hrm. Cantrip and tammy can be lean town.
I approve of the pressure being applied to Osi at the moment.
tom is null, I need more than a couple posts.
No one else should claim, I only did it because I can do literally nothing with my information alone. With another role, we might be able to become Voltron! Or at least fight crime and maybe stop the end of the world.
I want to comment on post 136 I think later. This is mostly a reminder for myself because I'm out at dinner and on my phone so I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding.
But Osie - why did it bother you that tom "threw shade" on me when I'm a scum lean of yours?
Cantrip, for your first question, I lynch D_v for the reason that you stated: he is easily mislynched, or have generally ambiguous reads by town.
For your second question, I am not trying to plant a seed for a future lynch because I have no need to. That statement should be treated as banter by everyone and not used against you in any manner. I promise or I shall lynch myself.
Silver, please explain to me why you feel the need to claim.
On your question, you are the far superior mafia player. I trust that your decision is better than mine.
Mmm. I thought I explained it pretty well, but.
I get "certain information" at twilight.
I can't do anything with this "information" by myself, i.e. the information doesn't tell me anything useful about the game state that I wouldn't have otherwise known and it doesn't inform some other aspect of my role.
I'm wondering if I should claim so that someone who can use the information at twilight gets the information in time to make good decisions.
I don't like his entrance; the only read that I agree on there for sure is Shadow, and his tone continues to sound fishy later on.
No, but I had a scumlean on you at the moment of making the T/S list, which implies the lightest of townleans on him given
I now think you remmebered nacho because you've talked in a qt, which is depressing I wanted nacho to be town.
osi
Ehh. It's a starting point. My reads are pretty fluid, and I somewhat spurn meta reads, so a snapshot of my reads at some point mostly just says how I'm feeling about what I've seen so far.
I'm still not caring for Tom, but I think I agree with the others that you should answer the question, Ophidia.
EBWOP: Just saw this:
So D_V is scummy because he's hard to get a read on? What?!?
Wow, I'm not THAT much of a noob, whatever people may think...
Osie, I think that you did not get my point. To me, RVS votes are purely random, especially when I am the first to vote. I vote D_V for the same reason cantrip voted for Kpaca tbh.
A very experienced player at my homesite made a similar slip one time. Wasn't calling you a noob, but it could be an easy thing to do.
Okay, I guess. Were you also not paying attention to the Voxx discussion in the setup thread?
No. What is it about?
And I'll note your lack of original thought, ya wanker.
Ayyyee...
unvote
Take that info for later.
Now what's this ***** bout a dream...?
Ok I may be drunk but someone is high.. *errrp.*
*hick* Oi. 'Allo good luking... you*erp*single?
Blimey, i like yer spunk, mate. But jeeeeeeeeze do you trust too esissyt.... essilsy... easilily...
*hick* yer too trusting..
That was some.. sly. Foolery *hick*
vote cantrip
Voxx said:
Cantrip, Silver, and I are all active and analytical. So RVS is bad for the three of us as town. As scum, Cantrip can just coast through RVS. But he's not; he's actively putting pressure on people. And I have a lot of respect for him trying hard to trip up people as scum during RVS. Now, maybe Cantrip is just being good at scum. Wouldn't surprise me. But at the moment I'm still leaning town.
Shadow, with the rate you're handing out townpoints, it almost looks like you're trying to identify prey.
EBWOP: Okay, the first one was Silver, but that does make sense...
Osie, now that you brought this up, I am starting to have this constant dread that cantrip performs flawlessly as scum this game, like in Overwatch.
Cantrip, please don't be scum this game.
If this game is, say, Tom + Cantrip + Shadow + ??? as scum, then I think we're screwed from the start.
INFORMATION you will find USEFUL to your DELIBERATION follows.
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I have an INFORMATION ROLE that activates at TWILIGHT.
CONSTRAINTS placed on this INFORMATION make it SOMEWHAT USELESS in a vacuum (i.e. to me alone).
The INFORMATION will be CONFIRMED PUBLICLY shortly after I ANNOUNCE it, relatively speaking.
The INFORMATION will NOT CLEAR ME and may, in fact, induce PARANOIA about my ALIGNMENT.
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Please INDICATE at your EARLIEST CONVENIENCE if you believe I should CLAIM IN FULL to allow us to MAKE BEST USE of my INFORMATION.
It is POSSIBLE some PERSON or PERSONS UNKNOWN may divine my CLAIM through the INFORMATION in this LETTER.
I ask that that PERSON or PERSONS refrain from CLAIMING on my BEHALF or CLAIMING themselves.
Thank you for your ATTENTION.
Ok, I'll bite: Why did I vote for Kpaca?
Come at me, giamoke.
Ok? I mean, I can say "I'm not", but what does that actually do for you? I'm a little suspicious of your comment because it seems like you're trying to plant a seed. Why make this plea like this?
It's not even primarily that which seems fishy. He somehow clears Rodemy (because of role playing? Dunno) and throws shade at Tammy and Zionite. On top of that, he has this seemingly made-up "role-related" argument.
Come to think of it, why do you have a scumlean on me? Since I'm guessing your degree of pressure on my so far is either related to that or is more sinister.
Well, that could be useful, except that I'm Merlin.
it now makes sense that we are having a 24 hour twilight.
I think the claim or discussion looks townie but beyond that I don't have an opinion on whether or not you should full claim. You should do whatever you think is best with your role.
Where did Tom throw shade on me?
...you seriously have to ask this? I don't feel like I've been cryptic or vague in my questions over the last few hours. So lets do a little exercise. You tell me why you think I'm scumreading you.
Silver, you get some townpoints for tossing that out there. I have an opinion on you fullclaiming, but I would like to hold off saying anything until after more people have responded to you.
I'm out for a bit.
That was in response to my partial joke about Tom not saying he had me as one of his suspects.
He always suspects me. He's been my partner, he's seen my town games, and yet he always suspects me.
apparently osi's claim was a joke but... i could almost do that in a roundabout way and im town so...
but the immediate omgus onto me and then just finding other things to shade me with feels inorganic. there was a post when he said something like "still not liking tom" when i hadnt posted more. fake progression? ill reread thoroughly tonight but i think my vote is now 100% serious.
i didnt like zionite's post but it didnt even stick with me why. (also him and axel were both experienced players that i played one game with when i first started out and then they sort of stopped playing so theyre in a list of "good players that dont show up much" with, like, xyre/az/formerlycyan and my memory is hazy on who is who. ill check to see where i know zionite from. i wanna say the classic and either disinheritance or 3lp unless those were both axel)
@tammy
im not appeasing you. i just dont have a roadmap to reading you because the one i was using was broken.
wow
That's reasonable. I figured: If Tom has a town power role, he's unnecessarily drawing attention to himself. If he's vanilla town or near-vanilla town, then well, I guess he's throwing himself in front of the power roles. If he's scum, then he's making himself less likely to be lynched.
It honestly looks to me like you're either still stuck in RVS, you're scum, or you are reading something into one of my early posts that isn't there.
Immediate omgus? What? I voted you after you threw stuff out there, sounding somewhat serious, without reasoning after we were already nearing an end to RVS... Saying that I have yet to find anyone who I find has more notable scumtells than you is scummy, how?
Do you want to see other people claim? It honestly still seems rather early, except for Tom, given the "role-related" comment.
Cantrip, I honestly don't know why you're coming after me. As far as I was concerned I'm perfectly fine with us teaming up with Silver, kpaca, and others to prevent the end of the world.
Saying tom would or would not do something as scum is a surefire way to misread him.
This is like. I mean, I know you're joking, but despite the affect I used in the post I'm 100% serious.
I fully intend to, but I wanted other people to talk about it because I'm not exactly sure what *is* best. It might be better to claim despite the risk of having the information tampered with by a scum role that may or may not exist because another town role needs the info. Like, I can't do much with it on my own, so if someone else can use it...
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Hrm. Cantrip and tammy can be lean town.
I approve of the pressure being applied to Osi at the moment.
tom is null, I need more than a couple posts.
No one else should claim, I only did it because I can do literally nothing with my information alone. With another role, we might be able to become Voltron! Or at least fight crime and maybe stop the end of the world.
That's up to you. Hard to figure out what your role is without you revealing and how useful it may or may not be.
Question is are there reasons to not reveal?
Will revealing benefit the town?
Which of these are more important in your opinion.
Revealing will most likely benefit town but it may also get me killed immediately, depending on what else exists in the setup.
But Osie - why did it bother you that tom "threw shade" on me when I'm a scum lean of yours?
For your second question, I am not trying to plant a seed for a future lynch because I have no need to. That statement should be treated as banter by everyone and not used against you in any manner. I promise or I shall lynch myself.
This guy is a mafioso
On your question, you are the far superior mafia player. I trust that your decision is better than mine.
I get "certain information" at twilight.
I can't do anything with this "information" by myself, i.e. the information doesn't tell me anything useful about the game state that I wouldn't have otherwise known and it doesn't inform some other aspect of my role.
I'm wondering if I should claim so that someone who can use the information at twilight gets the information in time to make good decisions.
I don't know about freaking out; it legitimately seemed strange.