Do you guys just want to lynch Wheat so that Cantrip doesn't have to find a replacement?
I still strongly believe that Wheat is town, just.. given with how long this Day has already been + the flak Wheat's replacement will get, I think it's kiiind of better for game health if we just lynch Wheat now?
Why would you want the town to lynch someone you think is town? Regardless if it helps the health of the game I won't participate in that lynch if people are not following their convictions.
Uggghhh. I don't know. This day really shouldn't drag on longer and it's not fair to a replacement to come in as a Lynch leader with a day left. Does WG rage quit a lot? I'm trying to angle shot this, but would he really rage quit as caught scum? That seems pretty low.
You shouldn't let your morals judge your actions in a game like this if your town you shouldn't be ok lynching another town player because you feel bad for their replacement.
I'm getting this bad feeling that EL is scum and he just came in blasted Wheat and Shin until one of them got lynched, full well knowing both were town. It seems like he's been in a pretty hard tunnel on them.
Wheat didn't claim anything did he?
I was leaning Shin earlier. I thought his response to the Edit-Gate was respectable though and don't like a Lynch on WG after his rage quit, which is angly, I know and would hate to Lynch a replacement right away. I would probably put my vote on Shin still, but not be super excited about it.
.... I feel like this is something I hinted at in an earlier post, but the only one who replied to it was EL himself so I didn't get to really put much thought into it. The problem I have in this situation is;
1. I'll be a miss lynch
2. The WG lynch will most likely be a flop if people are not positive that he will flip scum.
EL - I'm speaking about this as someone in Cantrip's shoes. I know that when I mod games I HATE searching for replacements, and having a replacement for Wheat is kind of unfair to the replacement because a wagon has already sprung up on Wheat already. Like, if I was in Cantrip's shoes, I would be really hoping the players lynch Wheat so that I wouldn't have to find the... FOURTH replacement this game?
I'm not talking about this as a player, I'm talking about this from a mod and game health perspective.
That shouldn't be our problem, the fact that he even asked for a replacement is ******* up my read on him, which really worries me.
I'm getting this bad feeling that EL is scum and he just came in blasted Wheat and Shin until one of them got lynched, full well knowing both were town. It seems like he's been in a pretty hard tunnel on them.
The main target at the time I arrived was Atheist_God. If I were scum marching in to get a mislynch, I'd've just jumped on him instead of reminding the Town of the person they tried and failed to lynch Day One as well as the two people seemingly buddied with them (Proph and Wheat; don't forget Proph's in my top scum team too).
Your theory might work if I were protecting Atheist_God, but you don't believe that since you said you're Town-reading him.
I've also explicitly stated that if either Wheat or Shinichi flips Town I'll be significantly less likely to lynch the other, so again that seems far-fetched.
I'm getting this bad feeling that EL is scum and he just came in blasted Wheat and Shin until one of them got lynched, full well knowing both were town. It seems like he's been in a pretty hard tunnel on them.
The main target at the time I arrived was Atheist_God. If I were scum marching in to get a mislynch, I'd've just jumped on him instead of reminding the Town of the person they tried and failed to lynch Day One as well as the two people seemingly buddied with them (Proph and Wheat; don't forget Proph's in my top scum team too).
Your theory might work if I were protecting Atheist_God, but you don't believe that since you said you're Town-reading him.
I've also explicitly stated that if either Wheat or Shinichi flips Town I'll be significantly less likely to lynch the other, so again that seems far-fetched.
But I've admitted that I'm reading AG based on Cantrip's nerf of my trap. I think AG's ability is worded like a scum ability. As claimed, it is very close to the scum ability your replacee Mindreaver had in my last game. So I'm not certain you didn't just come in and rescue AG.
Well, then, I suppose the question is whether you'd rather get Atheist_God based on his ability, or whether you'd rather get Shinichi based on his behavior and refusal to Cry in a manner that would actually benefit Town (and possibly also based on his ability, given the apparent thread consensus that Shadow and Shinichi wouldn't be on the same side with their abilities, although I don't really buy that).
I also came in and immediately read RE as not only Townie but specifically Vanilla Townie, and you now seem to have independently Town-read her as well, so now you'd have to figure out why scum-me would want you to recognize that RE is Town. This seems like quite the conspiracy theory.
@Terry: I think reading into AG's alignment for that reason is kind of bad, considering if information had been given to Vaimes, he would have responded identically regardless of either of their alignments. That said, there are reasons to townread AG.
@Shinichi: OoG real quick, players ask for replacements all the time, as both alignments, for any number of reasons.
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Discussing why someone replaces in general is against the spirit and purpose of the game, and is against the rules in some places. While it is not currently against the rules here, it is something that you would be better off to leave alone as a reason for generating reads (at the very least, if you're going to make that read, don't bring it into the thread.
Well, then, I suppose the question is whether you'd rather get Atheist_God based on his ability, or whether you'd rather get Shinichi based on his behavior and refusal to Cry in a manner that would actually benefit Town (and possibly also based on his ability, given the apparent thread consensus that Shadow and Shinichi wouldn't be on the same side with their abilities, although I don't really buy that).
I also came in and immediately read RE as not only Townie but specifically Vanilla Townie, and you now seem to have independently Town-read her as well, so now you'd have to figure out why scum-me would want you to recognize that RE is Town. This seems like quite the conspiracy theory.
Yeah, my conspiracy theory doesn't really work because of something I noticed earlier today, which I'm going to go back and double check. Here's something that's bugging me though. You replaced Mindreaver (who I also town read for a flavor tell). in the last game (Mistborn Mafia) Mindreaver had a Vanilla Cop ability as scum. He claimed it super early, but he specified that Mafia Goons came up as not vanilla. If mindreaver were scum with AG and Vaimes, it seems like a claim he'd suggest for AG to use and then your slot comes in and saves him.
...So you're saying that AG is faking the Vanilla Cop thing entirely.
Which means you're also assuming Vaimes is part of the scum-team, since he's the one who actually brought this up in the first place.
Vaimes+AG+me, is that really the team you're claiming here?
That's my conspiracy theory, it's a scum team possibility that I'm afraid might be true. Like I've said multiple times, I have all three of you read town for different reasons at the moment, but it could be for the wrong reasons. At the moment, I'm clearing Vaimes and AG because of how the trap played out, but I don't think that's a rock-solid reason to do it. I have you and RE cleared for a different reason that I'm not talking about right now because it could be useful in the future, but again it's not something that I'm going to the bank with for the rest of the game.
Tell me EL, if WG is off the menu, do you still want to push Shin today?
Of course I do. I've said from the beginning that Shin + WG + possibly Proph is my main scum team read.
Not sure why you're taking WG off the menu (reading into him leaving for what he explicitly stated were out-of-game reasons is extremely silly), but I've stated more times than I care to count that I'll be perfectly happy hammering a Shin lynch today if WG isn't feasible by deadline.
Of course I do. I've said from the beginning that Shin + WG + possibly Proph is my main scum team read.
Not sure why you're taking WG off the menu (reading into him leaving for what he explicitly stated were out-of-game reasons is extremely silly), but I've stated more times than I care to count that I'll be perfectly happy hammering a Shin lynch today if WG isn't feasible by deadline.
I'm suggesting we take WG off the menu because it would be lame to make Cantrip get a replacement and then just Lynch them and I don't want to ask for an extension because I'm sick of this day dragging on so much.
That...doesn't make sense, though? I personally won't take those sorts of concerns into account regarding a lynch decision, but even if you wanna do so...If we lynch WG today, Cantrip doesn't have to get a replacement, whereas if we lynch Shin today and he flips scum, WG's replacement is pretty much locked as our lynch tomorrow due to buddying Shin throughout Day One. So not lynching WG today actually has a good chance of doing exactly what you fear: causing WG's replacement to be useless because almost nothing he could say would save him in that situation.
But you're basing them both being scum off their interactions, so if one flips town does it void your whole theory? If one is flips town are you just going to keep tunneling and saying that the other must be scum that was pocketing? If so, who's doing the pocketing?
But you're basing them both being scum off their interactions, so if one flips town does it void your whole theory? If one is flips town are you just going to keep tunneling and saying that the other must be scum that was pocketing?
Dude, I've said tons of times that if either one flips Town I will be a lot more likely to Town-read the other. Stop claiming I'm tunneling without reading my posts.
vote: Shinichi
I really feel this is for the best...
Why?
The chances of Shinichi and WG being scum are pretty high, but Shinichi is scummier. It'd be one thing if we knew for sure that WG and Shinichi were scum, but since we don't, I'd rather go for Shinichi.
So you were willing to Lynch Shin, but not hammer him? Because your reaction to the incorrect vote-count was "What a relief"
I've made up my mind.
I will be voting Shin by the time I leave work today (approximately 3 hours form now), putting him at L-1. I'm sure someone will hammer him and we can end this day. Get what you want said, said now.
@Terry: You're not scummy to me either; it's just a relative thing. I mean, you're basically asking me "What do you do if all your hard scum-reads flip Town?", so at that point I wouldn't be lynching hard scum-reads, making this a much less useful line of questioning.
I've had very little issue with Proph's slot post-replacement (though pre-replacement it was a mess) aside from his extremely wonky interactions with Wheat and Shinichi, so if one or both of those are Town he's not a big concern for me. You, on the other hand, made me worried with that "trap" incident; I was strongly Town-reading you before that, but that docked you a few points, to a more moderate Town-lean.
EBWOP: I guess a better way to state #1326 is RE was willing to vote Shin but not Lynch him.
Um, what is your problem with me? You claim to have me cleared for some reason you haven't shared, yet you continue to throw shade at me with every opportunity you get. First off, flavor of day has changed dramatically. So my consideration of voting for AG is not flavor of the day but rather going back to initial impressions (because they can be the most accurate reads). Then you accuse me of not wanting to lynch Shinichi. If I didn't want to lynch him, I wouldn't have voted for him, because even if my vote didn't lock the lynch, it would have brought him close so that someone else could. And then upon seeing the real vote count, if I really didn't want lynch him, I would have unvoted. There's a difference between wanting to lynch someone and wanting to lock their lynch and losing the opportunity to pursue other suspects for the rest of the day.
What is your angle in all this? I can't see how pointing this and that out about my posts bring you any closer to solving the game.
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Like I said, I have you, EL, AG and Vaimes cleared right now for questionable reasons, but I think a Shin flip will help sort things out a lot more than a WG flip.
EBWOP: I guess a better way to state #1326 is RE was willing to vote Shin but not Lynch him.
Um, what is your problem with me? You claim to have me cleared for some reason you haven't shared, yet you continue to throw shade at me with every opportunity you get. First off, flavor of day has changed dramatically. So my consideration of voting for AG is not flavor of the day but rather going back to initial impressions (because they can be the most accurate reads). Then you accuse me of not wanting to lynch Shinichi. If I didn't want to lynch him, I wouldn't have voted for him, because even if my vote didn't lock the lynch, it would have brought him close so that someone else could. And then upon seeing the real vote count, if I really didn't want lynch him, I would have unvoted. There's a difference between wanting to lynch someone and wanting to lock their lynch and losing the opportunity to pursue other suspects for the rest of the day.
What is your angle in all this? I can't see how pointing this and that out about my posts bring you any closer to solving the game.
I also might remind you we missed a Lynch Day 1 because we took too long deciding. That's not happening again today or we lose.
I also really don't like how a day can end in a no Lynch with out us voting for a no Lynch. It seriously takes so much information away from the town because all scum have to do is be stagnant and they can save a scum buddy from a Lynch.
Then you look at the people who aren't voting and put 'em up. *shrug* Don't let people be stagnant. That's why it blew my ******* mind that kpaca wasn't lynched Day One despite contributing essentially nothing.
Then you look at the people who aren't voting and put 'em up. *shrug* Don't let people be stagnant. That's why it blew my ******* mind that kpaca wasn't lynched Day One despite contributing essentially nothing.
That's what I'm trying to do. By the time I put up my vote on Shin we will have 10/11 people voting. I think Proph will be the only one not voting. RE has a vote on AG, which at this point is basically a no-vote too.
I also might remind you we missed a Lynch Day 1 because we took too long deciding. That's not happening again today or we lose.
Well I overslept for legit reasons .3.
Also, didn't you say you were leaning towards WG being scum? How does a Shin flip give more information than WG?
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Then you look at the people who aren't voting and put 'em up. *shrug* Don't let people be stagnant. That's why it blew my ******* mind that kpaca wasn't lynched Day One despite contributing essentially nothing.
That's what I'm trying to do. By the time I put up my vote on Shin we will have 10/11 people voting. I think Proph will be the only one not voting. RE has a vote on AG, which at this point is basically a no-vote too.
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I also really don't like how a day can end in a no Lynch with out us voting for a no Lynch. It seriously takes so much information away from the town because all scum have to do is be stagnant and they can save a scum buddy from a Lynch.
Neither do I. Then I could vote you instead of being responsible and keeping my vote on Shinichi.
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Then you look at the people who aren't voting and put 'em up. *shrug* Don't let people be stagnant. That's why it blew my ******* mind that kpaca wasn't lynched Day One despite contributing essentially nothing.
That's what I'm trying to do. By the time I put up my vote on Shin we will have 10/11 people voting. I think Proph will be the only one not voting. RE has a vote on AG, which at this point is basically a no-vote too.
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My bad, you just talked about voting him. Shin moved his vote from WG to Proph I think, sorry.
I also really don't like how a day can end in a no Lynch with out us voting for a no Lynch. It seriously takes so much information away from the town because all scum have to do is be stagnant and they can save a scum buddy from a Lynch.
Neither do I. Then I could vote you instead of being responsible and keeping my vote on Shinichi.
Meh. I think I'm okay with the Shinichi lynch. EL has convinced me so consider me a fat sheep. And after thinking about it, the way he has used his role is townie, but it makes sense anyway.
To be fair, it wasn't easy to plan anything on D1 with potential scumbuddies, plus if he figured he had to roleclaim eventually he probably thought it would be more beneficial to use his role to look town. Like it's pretty difficult to even try anything against town with the role he has. You shout something like "I investigated Player X on N1 and he was scum"? No way people are buying that, and no way is the Announcer gonna be trusted after lynching Player X. So mechanically speaking, the role is neutral no matter what, probably.
Mind you I'm STILL not caught up but I have a general idea of what's going on because on phone I refresh the page when possible and read the new posts but I haven't done a more thorough and clear read like I enjoy doing. Somehow I'm not buying the Shinichi-Wheat-Proph scumteam (the first two make sense, I just don't see Proph being the third red guy here (which doesn't mean I townread him, keep reading)) but I could see myself scumreading all of these guys individually. Which means I should be reading them as scum together afterall, but I don't entirely. Super weird. I was all about the Wheat lynch earlier and at this point I would still be fine with it, but I'm rather sold on a Shinichi one too by now. And yeah, my read on the kpaca slot is now more on the negative-neutral than on the positive-neutral side, because of Proph's play. Obviously not convinced at all about Proph though (relative to what I think of Wheat and Shinichi), because I'm still conflicted concerning what I talked about in my previous post: "With all the defense I've seen these three players do towards each other, I don't feel like Proph would just do what she's doing right now. On one hand this seems like the exact type of situation I know she would bus in, on the other hand she mentioned in-thread that she very much likes to bus as scum (or something like that) and it's the fact that she mentioned it which bugs me."
Grapefruit's general presence in the thread ever since the attempt on pushing kpaca just gives me a bad feeling, it's not a matter of activity so don't get me wrong. Forgot who asked me to explain it but I can't really, sorry. So I won't try anything against Grapefruit now because as I said it's more of a feeling thing. That said, I have a bad feeling about the guy who tried to conclude the kpaca lynch on D1, kpaca being the guy who I used to feel good about but which I don't really anymore, so, 'does it even make sense for me to not like Grapefruit at this point' is the question I should ask myself. To add to this, I used to townread Shinichi. Figure this stuff out.
Not sure why EL is saying the fact Wheat replaced out means he doesn't have a power role, yet EL is still saying he's mafia. To be honest, it feels even weirder to replace out as mafia and annoy your teammates than replacing out as a PR. I'm not sure if the replace-out is even indicative of anything besides the fact that Wheat is frustrated.
Someone needs to make some kind of general read on Proph (and me saying this probably means I need to make some kind of general read on Proph...) because ever since she has joined the game the kpaca issue has been dead. It sounds weird for me to say this because I fought against that lynch. But I would have felt more at ease right now if people didn't just give up (?) on it, especially Grapefruit. We do kinda have bigger matters at hand, I guess.
I don't really care if the lynch gets done before I get to catch up, unlike Proph, but I can respect the fact that she wants to catch up herself. And I do suppose we can wait for Shinichi, though not sure what he can even say at this point.
I also have this super underground feeling that Terry knows something about Wheat and Shinichi's alignments. Mainly due to his conspiracy thing against EL, foreshadowing a townie flip from Shin/Wheat to make sure EL gets negative points for pushing such lynches. But given that I think Shinichi and Wheat are more likely scum (maybe not together, though! but in all likelihood, yeah) than Terry at this point, this is only an 'aside' line of thinking that could or not become useful.
TLDR: Hi guys I'm sort of here, can vote Shinichi but I don't know the votes he has at the moment, I'm thinking maybe L-1 but not sure. I hope I'm not too useless, guys, sorry about this.
Not sure why EL is saying the fact Wheat replaced out means he doesn't have a power role, yet EL is still saying he's mafia.
...The hell? I never said that. I specifically said that trying to read into why someone left, when they explicitly stated it was for out-of-game reasons, is dumb and I'm damn tired of people doing it. I said that his willingness to self-lynch meant he wasn't a power role.
I also have this super underground feeling that Terry knows something about Wheat and Shinichi's alignments. Mainly due to his conspiracy thing against EL, foreshadowing a townie flip from Shin/Wheat to make sure EL gets negative points for pushing such lynches. But given that I think Shinichi and Wheat are more likely scum (maybe not together, though! but in all likelihood, yeah) than Terry at this point, this is only an 'aside' line of thinking that could or not become useful.
Yeah, that's...odd. I wasn't happy with Terry Day One, then he was pretty Townie early in Day Two, but now he's been dropping in my Townie-ness rankings again. Let's see how Wheat or Shinichi flips before going down that rabbit hole, though.
I was all about the Wheat lynch earlier and at this point I would still be fine with it, but I'm rather sold on a Shinichi one too by now.
But which would you prefer? The wagons are both fairly similar in size at the moment: Wheat's at L-2 (you're on him) and Shinichi's at L-1, to answer your question.
Then my reads are absolutely terrible this game, and I will re-evaluate to the best of my ability. I will look at who ends up replacing Wheat, as well as look at who tried to get on your wagon without attempting to engage with you and try to genuinely figure out your alignment.
The thing is, if you're town then you need to SHOW me. Your reads have been completely all over the place and you are voting.. me, when it's abundantly clear that I am town this game. Your posts don't feel like you are trying to figure out the bad guys.
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There is a few quotes that brought that idea up, I just havent had the time to go find them. I didn't just pull that out of my ass. Explain the the hatch, i mean I understand it but am i now allowed to back down from my reads?
Tell me what quotes they are.
Escape Hatch: When you state a townread but give yourself an opening to change that read in the future (in your post, it'd be the "but ive been wrong about him before" sentiment). It's scummy because you never lock yourself into declaring a townread - you're giving yourself an out to scumread that player late in the game.
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I was implying i can see where the read was coming from, but at the same time I still think he has a high chance of being scum. I'm sorry my play isnt consistent. But i'm just playing veyr *****ty right now because I am just not usd to keeping track of posts from 30 days ago even with this iso feature,
WHY do you think shadow has a high chance of being scum, though?
@crossbell Question why are you afraid of a hammer? Am i not scum? I thought you were super sure of my alignment if you are then so that conviction and keep your vote on me.
I unvoted to give us more time to discuss. I still think you are somewhat likely scum, I'm just trying to give you a chance if you ARE in fact town.
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In case I can't catch up by the lynch (I should be catching up tomorrow (as I've repeatedly said time and time again... :/)), I'm not voting Shinichi but I'm voting Wheat. Pretty sure my vote's on him at the moment so I'm not moving it. If my opinion changes tomorrow, we'll see if I'll help out on the Shinichi lynch. Not even sure who has the most votes at the moment. Please don't push for a modkill on Shinichi, I don't really care if that would benefit us or not. I guess Cantrip has the final word but just don't push for it.
So wait. You think Wheat is scum, but you're also willing to lend your vote to a Shinichi lynch?
Please explain, especially when your last posts were:
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Tomorrow I catch up.
Bad vibes from Grapefruit.
Pretty sure Wheat is scum.
I feel like his play is more like "people scumread me for Reason X, but I'm gonna keep playing it out as if Reason X is a perfectly reasonable townie behavior coming from me.
And your last stance on Shinichi was:
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Guys, I really have a good feeling about Shinichi. My dilemma is that this good feeling could come from the fact that I am naturally much more inclined to trust him than other players here because of some kind of familiarity bias (?). Quite literally, each time someone accused Shinichi of doing something scummy, it was for things which I've seen him do as town as well, so the accusations don't strike me as hard as they could. I also think he's having good intentions for the most part, so I guess that's one thing I agree with Wheat on.
This is looking somewhat opportunistic, if you ask me.
Why would you want the town to lynch someone you think is town? Regardless if it helps the health of the game I won't participate in that lynch if people are not following their convictions.
You shouldn't let your morals judge your actions in a game like this if your town you shouldn't be ok lynching another town player because you feel bad for their replacement.
.... I feel like this is something I hinted at in an earlier post, but the only one who replied to it was EL himself so I didn't get to really put much thought into it. The problem I have in this situation is;
1. I'll be a miss lynch
2. The WG lynch will most likely be a flop if people are not positive that he will flip scum.
That shouldn't be our problem, the fact that he even asked for a replacement is ******* up my read on him, which really worries me.
Your theory might work if I were protecting Atheist_God, but you don't believe that since you said you're Town-reading him.
I've also explicitly stated that if either Wheat or Shinichi flips Town I'll be significantly less likely to lynch the other, so again that seems far-fetched.
I also came in and immediately read RE as not only Townie but specifically Vanilla Townie, and you now seem to have independently Town-read her as well, so now you'd have to figure out why scum-me would want you to recognize that RE is Town. This seems like quite the conspiracy theory.
@Shinichi: OoG real quick, players ask for replacements all the time, as both alignments, for any number of reasons.
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Discussing why someone replaces in general is against the spirit and purpose of the game, and is against the rules in some places. While it is not currently against the rules here, it is something that you would be better off to leave alone as a reason for generating reads (at the very least, if you're going to make that read, don't bring it into the thread.
Which means you're also assuming Vaimes is part of the scum-team, since he's the one who actually brought this up in the first place.
Vaimes+AG+me, is that really the team you're claiming here?
Tell me EL, if WG is off the menu, do you still want to push Shin today?
Not sure why you're taking WG off the menu (reading into him leaving for what he explicitly stated were out-of-game reasons is extremely silly), but I've stated more times than I care to count that I'll be perfectly happy hammering a Shin lynch today if WG isn't feasible by deadline.
I'd lynch AG or you before Proph if Shinichi flips Town.
I've made up my mind.
I will be voting Shin by the time I leave work today (approximately 3 hours form now), putting him at L-1. I'm sure someone will hammer him and we can end this day. Get what you want said, said now.
I've had very little issue with Proph's slot post-replacement (though pre-replacement it was a mess) aside from his extremely wonky interactions with Wheat and Shinichi, so if one or both of those are Town he's not a big concern for me. You, on the other hand, made me worried with that "trap" incident; I was strongly Town-reading you before that, but that docked you a few points, to a more moderate Town-lean.
Um, what is your problem with me? You claim to have me cleared for some reason you haven't shared, yet you continue to throw shade at me with every opportunity you get. First off, flavor of day has changed dramatically. So my consideration of voting for AG is not flavor of the day but rather going back to initial impressions (because they can be the most accurate reads). Then you accuse me of not wanting to lynch Shinichi. If I didn't want to lynch him, I wouldn't have voted for him, because even if my vote didn't lock the lynch, it would have brought him close so that someone else could. And then upon seeing the real vote count, if I really didn't want lynch him, I would have unvoted. There's a difference between wanting to lynch someone and wanting to lock their lynch and losing the opportunity to pursue other suspects for the rest of the day.
What is your angle in all this? I can't see how pointing this and that out about my posts bring you any closer to solving the game.
Like I said, I have you, EL, AG and Vaimes cleared right now for questionable reasons, but I think a Shin flip will help sort things out a lot more than a WG flip.
Well I overslept for legit reasons .3.
Also, didn't you say you were leaning towards WG being scum? How does a Shin flip give more information than WG?
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Neither do I. Then I could vote you instead of being responsible and keeping my vote on Shinichi.
VOTE: Shin
Plus I want to give Shinichi the chance to say any last words.
To be fair, it wasn't easy to plan anything on D1 with potential scumbuddies, plus if he figured he had to roleclaim eventually he probably thought it would be more beneficial to use his role to look town. Like it's pretty difficult to even try anything against town with the role he has. You shout something like "I investigated Player X on N1 and he was scum"? No way people are buying that, and no way is the Announcer gonna be trusted after lynching Player X. So mechanically speaking, the role is neutral no matter what, probably.
Mind you I'm STILL not caught up but I have a general idea of what's going on because on phone I refresh the page when possible and read the new posts but I haven't done a more thorough and clear read like I enjoy doing. Somehow I'm not buying the Shinichi-Wheat-Proph scumteam (the first two make sense, I just don't see Proph being the third red guy here (which doesn't mean I townread him, keep reading)) but I could see myself scumreading all of these guys individually. Which means I should be reading them as scum together afterall, but I don't entirely. Super weird. I was all about the Wheat lynch earlier and at this point I would still be fine with it, but I'm rather sold on a Shinichi one too by now. And yeah, my read on the kpaca slot is now more on the negative-neutral than on the positive-neutral side, because of Proph's play. Obviously not convinced at all about Proph though (relative to what I think of Wheat and Shinichi), because I'm still conflicted concerning what I talked about in my previous post: "With all the defense I've seen these three players do towards each other, I don't feel like Proph would just do what she's doing right now. On one hand this seems like the exact type of situation I know she would bus in, on the other hand she mentioned in-thread that she very much likes to bus as scum (or something like that) and it's the fact that she mentioned it which bugs me."
Grapefruit's general presence in the thread ever since the attempt on pushing kpaca just gives me a bad feeling, it's not a matter of activity so don't get me wrong. Forgot who asked me to explain it but I can't really, sorry. So I won't try anything against Grapefruit now because as I said it's more of a feeling thing. That said, I have a bad feeling about the guy who tried to conclude the kpaca lynch on D1, kpaca being the guy who I used to feel good about but which I don't really anymore, so, 'does it even make sense for me to not like Grapefruit at this point' is the question I should ask myself. To add to this, I used to townread Shinichi. Figure this stuff out.
Not sure why EL is saying the fact Wheat replaced out means he doesn't have a power role, yet EL is still saying he's mafia. To be honest, it feels even weirder to replace out as mafia and annoy your teammates than replacing out as a PR. I'm not sure if the replace-out is even indicative of anything besides the fact that Wheat is frustrated.
Someone needs to make some kind of general read on Proph (and me saying this probably means I need to make some kind of general read on Proph...) because ever since she has joined the game the kpaca issue has been dead. It sounds weird for me to say this because I fought against that lynch. But I would have felt more at ease right now if people didn't just give up (?) on it, especially Grapefruit. We do kinda have bigger matters at hand, I guess.
I don't really care if the lynch gets done before I get to catch up, unlike Proph, but I can respect the fact that she wants to catch up herself. And I do suppose we can wait for Shinichi, though not sure what he can even say at this point.
I also have this super underground feeling that Terry knows something about Wheat and Shinichi's alignments. Mainly due to his conspiracy thing against EL, foreshadowing a townie flip from Shin/Wheat to make sure EL gets negative points for pushing such lynches. But given that I think Shinichi and Wheat are more likely scum (maybe not together, though! but in all likelihood, yeah) than Terry at this point, this is only an 'aside' line of thinking that could or not become useful.
TLDR: Hi guys I'm sort of here, can vote Shinichi but I don't know the votes he has at the moment, I'm thinking maybe L-1 but not sure. I hope I'm not too useless, guys, sorry about this.
Yeah, that's...odd. I wasn't happy with Terry Day One, then he was pretty Townie early in Day Two, but now he's been dropping in my Townie-ness rankings again. Let's see how Wheat or Shinichi flips before going down that rabbit hole, though.
(Something I am intensely afraid about and have been wondering about for some of the day. Catching up now)
The thing is, if you're town then you need to SHOW me. Your reads have been completely all over the place and you are voting.. me, when it's abundantly clear that I am town this game. Your posts don't feel like you are trying to figure out the bad guys.
Tell me what quotes they are.
Escape Hatch: When you state a townread but give yourself an opening to change that read in the future (in your post, it'd be the "but ive been wrong about him before" sentiment). It's scummy because you never lock yourself into declaring a townread - you're giving yourself an out to scumread that player late in the game.
WHY do you think shadow has a high chance of being scum, though?
So wait. You think Wheat is scum, but you're also willing to lend your vote to a Shinichi lynch?
Please explain, especially when your last posts were:
And your last stance on Shinichi was:
This is looking somewhat opportunistic, if you ask me.