Talk to me about your reads, please. In the case of ATPG, I'm seeing a lot of time spent on nothing, which could be scummy, but could also just be his style of entrance. In the case of Tom, so far he seems okay. Certainly not the best of the best, but he does seem to be actively poking and prodding to solve the game. No posts have dramatically swung my reads on either of them so far, but Ghosting also needs to stop lurking so he can move up or down from lower null.
Talk to me about your reads, please. In the case of ATPG, I'm seeing a lot of time spent on nothing, which could be scummy, but could also just be his style of entrance. In the case of Tom, so far he seems okay. Certainly not the best of the best, but he does seem to be actively poking and prodding to solve the game. No posts have dramatically swung my reads on either of them so far, but Ghosting also needs to stop lurking so he can move up or down from lower null.
Continuation BWODP:
... (So far I'm keeping Ghosting at low null in my reads because of lurking, but given the number of people, that doesn't mean he couldn't be town.)
In the case of Tom, so far he seems okay. Certainly not the best of the best, but he does seem to be actively poking and prodding to solve the game. No
Hmm, how so, in what way would you say his posts are actively prodding and poking?
Care to quote and give examples of said posts and explain why you think that of those posts?
Hmm, how so, in what way would you say his posts are actively prodding and poking?
Care to quote and give examples of said posts and explain why you think that of those posts?
Maybe it was reading into his posts supporting gut townlean rather than gut townlean supporting and supported by logic. Hmm. It is also incredibly early. And my gut has been mixed on Tom both here and in the past.
He posted ideas of reads on both sides in RVS (Posts 14/15) to try to measure responses. I've certainly seen other regulars here do this as town to decent effect. I'll have to go back and look to see how often Tom does this. Hmm. Maybe meta-reading isn't the worst after all, as long as it's taken with a reasonable grain of salt. I've been leery of it to a degree so far on-site.
Posts 34, 35, 41 could be thoughts on the game so far based on the fact that he has the most knowledge of everyone's metas (besides mine). On the other hand these could still be RVS or be shade.
In 44, his reads have progressed to the point of a serious vote.
Either way, we do need to see more.
I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on whether or not ATPG's entrance was a bunch of flashiness as town or as scum.
Hmm, how so, in what way would you say his posts are actively prodding and poking?
Care to quote and give examples of said posts and explain why you think that of those posts?
Maybe it was reading into his posts supporting gut townlean rather than gut townlean supporting and supported by logic. Hmm. It is also incredibly early. And my gut has been mixed on Tom both here and in the past.
He posted ideas of reads on both sides in RVS (Posts 14/15) to try to measure responses. I've certainly seen other regulars here do this as town to decent effect. I'll have to go back and look to see how often Tom does this. Hmm. Maybe meta-reading isn't the worst after all, as long as it's taken with a reasonable grain of salt. I've been leery of it to a degree so far on-site.
Posts 34, 35, 41 could be thoughts on the game so far based on the fact that he has the most knowledge of everyone's metas (besides mine). On the other hand these could still be RVS or be shade.
In 44, his reads have progressed to the point of a serious vote.
Either way, we do need to see more.
I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on whether or not ATPG's entrance was a bunch of flashiness as town or as scum.
14/15 are essentially the same posts ive been making towards you and others, do you think I have been doing the same?
you're reading a lot into not very well reasoned posts with 34/35/41
I haven't seen anything in particular from t om that helps him stand out either way so i'm stuck here
atog is Awol
ghosting doesn't post
t om is completely null
osi has weird posts but some effort
i'm a villager
shado has barely dipped his toes in the water
pizza had an entry that didn't match the thread tone or any real tone at all
SEND HELP
i need communication stat
i need people to respond to my posts or make some ***** up
Yeah I actually struggled though. I'm exhausted from other things and this game started unexpectedly. I also don't know most of the folks here yet, so attempts at humor probably not the best choice to open a game with, and they're kind of wolfy in the thinnest sense.
This is what I had in mind: Let's try to solve it day one because of the mechanics.
Mafia can't kill? I think? According to what I read.
No, they can kill, but we don't lynch unless the team is exactly right.
We get three lynches to get the exact team, iirc, so the best chance of having something resembling solving and reads in this game other than based on individual tone/performance, is partner analysis.
That's basically impossible without a wolf flip, and no wolves flip unless it's a solve.
But, instead of two shots: Three double-shotguns.
By end of day one everyone should try to come up with 3 guesses for the solve.
The idea is that if wolves try to "bus" a partner by including them in the wolf pair with a townie, we might be able to figure that out.... somehow.
Sorry I'm not operating on much sleep here so this is a half-formed thought from back before the game even randed. After I get serious sleep today I should be more lucid and able to explain it better.
I'm going to interact with everyone in this game as much as possible, and I suck at day ones, so keep in mind while you're reading me the following things:
1) As scum, I talk to my partners a lot, convincingly, and I usually win as scum
2) I randed town, so it just looks like I'm doing that this game. I'm currently oblivious to who the scums are, and there is a 1:3 chance I'm talking to a scum directly this game and not knowing it. And I absolutely have to interact with everyone. So watch for false positives.
3) That's gonna make it hard to read me and easy to tinfoil on me.
4) You have to clear me individually the hard way, with correct solving. Otherwise you're gonna have a bad time this game.
5) Clearing me does not earn you a town read automatically.
6) If I am not the towniest town that ever towned, in terms of WIM, post count, post content, and thoughts that are real, I'm.... still town, actually.
But I'm still aiming for it. If I can individually clear myself this game that's even better than finding a scum on day one. I need both and we need consensus and town is in a terrible position right from the get-go.
We have to work hard, and build trust and a whole town up from zero. I hope the rest of you folks are up for it.
One last thing:
This is, and always will be, just a game.
I play hard, I try, and I am civil and polite to you. And friendly most of the time.
If it ever stops being a fun game, walk away. The outcome of this game is zero times as important as everyone making new friends and having fun.
And if it gets intense, I have a "mercy rule". If I'm at an impasse and just find you scum, and laid it out, and you've responded, and I've said I don't buy your response, the game can get out of hand unless I go mercy and just leave my vote on you but now begin talking to you like you can be town anyway, despite my real read on you being scum.
That allows me to break out of my emotional investment in your being scum and it also allows me to get thoughts out of you that would be useful if I was incorrect about your alignment. That said, I'm not likely to change my vote once I mercy rule you. I leave the door open, a crack, but I'd need something amazing.
So the ground rules for pizza are: if at any time, you're all done dealing with me and what you think is my scummy or wrong bull*****, just tell me.
I will mercy rule you and lynch you but not bother you on a personal level.
Everyone in the game is more important to me. The game itself, I'll continue to play, but appeals to emotion fail. I'll still respect you as a person and give you breathing space, but I'm firmly allowed to be wrong and if you need the space, tell me.
I'll have to figure out you're town somehow if I'm wrong on my own at that point, which can be tough. I get a head of steam.
This post is entirely unnecessary in a game with a ton of people who already know me, but everyone please read it because most of you don't.
I like to give people an idea of how much they can push me and vice-versa and have it still be nothing personal, just gaming business.
If you're someone I don't know convincing me someone else I don't know is scum, I may need to ask you many questions and ask for meta reasons of your confidence level. If you don't feel comfortable discussing meta and just want to discuss this game alone, I respect that. Some people think meta is bull*****, and I kinda do and kinda don't. Mainly it's bull***** because it's wrong a lot, but I am a big old hypocrite because I still use it a lot to help inform my guesses.
Talk to me about your reads, please. In the case of ATPG, I'm seeing a lot of time spent on nothing, which could be scummy, but could also just be his style of entrance. In the case of Tom, so far he seems okay. Certainly not the best of the best, but he does seem to be actively poking and prodding to solve the game. No posts have dramatically swung my reads on either of them so far, but Ghosting also needs to stop lurking so he can move up or down from lower null.
In new places, or in big games, or when I'm just really excited to town (or all three!) I like to make a big entrance.
I won't do it every game, but it's part of my attempts at showmanship.
To put in context: I had no energy and it was a super bad time of day and the start of game caught me off-guard. I normally would even attempt to find something townie in the posts that had transpired up to that point, but it was impossible. My brain was made of jelly at that hour of that particular rl day.
atog is Awol
ghosting doesn't post
t om is completely null
osi has weird posts but some effort
i'm a villager
shado has barely dipped his toes in the water
pizza had an entry that didn't match the thread tone or any real tone at all
SEND HELP
i need communication stat
i need people to respond to my posts or make some ***** up
CMON something alighment indicative please
Stuck in bathroom no towel pls send help.
I'm working on it, I'm workin on it.
I'm still not in analytics mode though, so most of these walls of content (from everyone) taste like cardboard to me right now.
It needs to trigger some kind of response and it's not yet. My pony is slow.
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Excellent. This won't make towning difficult at all!
you gonna be around much next few hours?
Yeah but I can already tell you that I'm going to be tired, then doing chores (house is dirty), then a nap. My golden time for this game is going to be in about 7pm onwards today, after dinner for me. Thats something crazy hours for you dunno if it's good. LolNorway.
I'm also going to tell you how tired I am about 50 more times, so look forward to that, I'm sure you're excited.
Greetings, Atoga! Pizza is love, pizza is life.
Well ehllo there.
Are you happy to be here, advice doge? I am trying to discern your alignment solely based on this post and I am #struggling.
Can you give me several paragraphs describing your usual playstyle, or "meta" if you will? *<:-)
Salutations, Wolfy Shadow-killing-speary-letter wolf!
Your avatar seems grumpy. I need to soul read your avatar.... hmmmmm..... town or wolf, nwot or flow.
Tomm.....
your mustache is looking particularly silky tonight.
Fire extinguisher to put out the flames from his smoking hot avatar. rrrrowr.
"Won't put on a shirt"
Looks like you and tom have much in common!
As for Ghosting....
Well said! I'll drink to that.
Townread on that pizza guy. Seems legit.
Alright since I found one townie, I'm gonna call it a night. My strangeness will return...
Soon.
Are you... propositioning us? Huh.
Thanks for the compliment, I guess. Tom is hotter than I am, though.
Hey Atog... your avatar is captivating. I need to find myself a good gif again one of these days...
Who are you agreeing with here, Tom or Shadow?
Talk to me about your reads, please. In the case of ATPG, I'm seeing a lot of time spent on nothing, which could be scummy, but could also just be his style of entrance. In the case of Tom, so far he seems okay. Certainly not the best of the best, but he does seem to be actively poking and prodding to solve the game. No posts have dramatically swung my reads on either of them so far, but Ghosting also needs to stop lurking so he can move up or down from lower null.
Continuation BWODP:
... (So far I'm keeping Ghosting at low null in my reads because of lurking, but given the number of people, that doesn't mean he couldn't be town.)
Flattery will get you anywhere?
Hmm, how so, in what way would you say his posts are actively prodding and poking?
Care to quote and give examples of said posts and explain why you think that of those posts?
Maybe it was reading into his posts supporting gut townlean rather than gut townlean supporting and supported by logic. Hmm. It is also incredibly early. And my gut has been mixed on Tom both here and in the past.
Either way, we do need to see more.
I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on whether or not ATPG's entrance was a bunch of flashiness as town or as scum.
For the entry he had to be the way it was, makes little sense after 24 hours or so have passed in game
I think thats just his way of establishing an entry, but i think that comes from scum over town from him in particular
14/15 are essentially the same posts ive been making towards you and others, do you think I have been doing the same?
you're reading a lot into not very well reasoned posts with 34/35/41
I haven't seen anything in particular from t om that helps him stand out either way so i'm stuck here
atog is Awol
ghosting doesn't post
t om is completely null
osi has weird posts but some effort
i'm a villager
shado has barely dipped his toes in the water
pizza had an entry that didn't match the thread tone or any real tone at all
SEND HELP
i need communication stat
i need people to respond to my posts or make some ***** up
CMON something alighment indicative please
raise my hopes only to dash them you cruel fiend
No no no, just Tom. I was commenting on the undertitle and the fact that Tom has no shirt.
I try really hard not to make comments that could be construed as flirting towards folks with female avatars or who might otherwise be female.
A) I'm married and
B) You won't know if it's a joke or not and women get enough harassment on the internet as it is.
Ok joke face back on.
Yeah I actually struggled though. I'm exhausted from other things and this game started unexpectedly. I also don't know most of the folks here yet, so attempts at humor probably not the best choice to open a game with, and they're kind of wolfy in the thinnest sense.
----------Actual game-related thought, separator----------
This is what I had in mind: Let's try to solve it day one because of the mechanics.
Mafia can't kill? I think? According to what I read.
No, they can kill, but we don't lynch unless the team is exactly right.
We get three lynches to get the exact team, iirc, so the best chance of having something resembling solving and reads in this game other than based on individual tone/performance, is partner analysis.
That's basically impossible without a wolf flip, and no wolves flip unless it's a solve.
But, instead of two shots: Three double-shotguns.
By end of day one everyone should try to come up with 3 guesses for the solve.
The idea is that if wolves try to "bus" a partner by including them in the wolf pair with a townie, we might be able to figure that out.... somehow.
Sorry I'm not operating on much sleep here so this is a half-formed thought from back before the game even randed. After I get serious sleep today I should be more lucid and able to explain it better.
I'm going to interact with everyone in this game as much as possible, and I suck at day ones, so keep in mind while you're reading me the following things:
1) As scum, I talk to my partners a lot, convincingly, and I usually win as scum
2) I randed town, so it just looks like I'm doing that this game. I'm currently oblivious to who the scums are, and there is a 1:3 chance I'm talking to a scum directly this game and not knowing it. And I absolutely have to interact with everyone. So watch for false positives.
3) That's gonna make it hard to read me and easy to tinfoil on me.
4) You have to clear me individually the hard way, with correct solving. Otherwise you're gonna have a bad time this game.
5) Clearing me does not earn you a town read automatically.
6) If I am not the towniest town that ever towned, in terms of WIM, post count, post content, and thoughts that are real, I'm.... still town, actually.
But I'm still aiming for it. If I can individually clear myself this game that's even better than finding a scum on day one. I need both and we need consensus and town is in a terrible position right from the get-go.
We have to work hard, and build trust and a whole town up from zero. I hope the rest of you folks are up for it.
One last thing:
This is, and always will be, just a game.
I play hard, I try, and I am civil and polite to you. And friendly most of the time.
If it ever stops being a fun game, walk away. The outcome of this game is zero times as important as everyone making new friends and having fun.
And if it gets intense, I have a "mercy rule". If I'm at an impasse and just find you scum, and laid it out, and you've responded, and I've said I don't buy your response, the game can get out of hand unless I go mercy and just leave my vote on you but now begin talking to you like you can be town anyway, despite my real read on you being scum.
That allows me to break out of my emotional investment in your being scum and it also allows me to get thoughts out of you that would be useful if I was incorrect about your alignment. That said, I'm not likely to change my vote once I mercy rule you. I leave the door open, a crack, but I'd need something amazing.
So the ground rules for pizza are: if at any time, you're all done dealing with me and what you think is my scummy or wrong bull*****, just tell me.
I will mercy rule you and lynch you but not bother you on a personal level.
Everyone in the game is more important to me. The game itself, I'll continue to play, but appeals to emotion fail. I'll still respect you as a person and give you breathing space, but I'm firmly allowed to be wrong and if you need the space, tell me.
I'll have to figure out you're town somehow if I'm wrong on my own at that point, which can be tough. I get a head of steam.
This post is entirely unnecessary in a game with a ton of people who already know me, but everyone please read it because most of you don't.
I like to give people an idea of how much they can push me and vice-versa and have it still be nothing personal, just gaming business.
If you're someone I don't know convincing me someone else I don't know is scum, I may need to ask you many questions and ask for meta reasons of your confidence level. If you don't feel comfortable discussing meta and just want to discuss this game alone, I respect that. Some people think meta is bull*****, and I kinda do and kinda don't. Mainly it's bull***** because it's wrong a lot, but I am a big old hypocrite because I still use it a lot to help inform my guesses.
/Wall
Let's see what else was posted.
For best couple?
I'm not nearly as handsome. But I've got the charisma and smarts to match Tom's ample supply of both.
So I'm not even a pity (blank). I'm totally worth it.
I accept. We are the best couple.
In new places, or in big games, or when I'm just really excited to town (or all three!) I like to make a big entrance.
I won't do it every game, but it's part of my attempts at showmanship.
To put in context: I had no energy and it was a super bad time of day and the start of game caught me off-guard. I normally would even attempt to find something townie in the posts that had transpired up to that point, but it was impossible. My brain was made of jelly at that hour of that particular rl day.
This is remarkably accurate, because that opening is not one I would consider among my towniest.
Still town but yeah, that opening was not hot garbage, but it was at least lukewarm garbage. It was the best I could do.
Waste of time, silly. I know dogs don't talk.
Hey advice doge.
-What
I can flyyyyy
Stuck in bathroom no towel pls send help.
I'm working on it, I'm workin on it.
I'm still not in analytics mode though, so most of these walls of content (from everyone) taste like cardboard to me right now.
It needs to trigger some kind of response and it's not yet. My pony is slow.
Sleep is for the weak, parents with children, people with real social lives, and mafia.
They get tired during the day because of all that time they spend at night killin' people.
Townie pizzaguys work through the pain until they're visibly drunk without alcohol in their system.
Let's get it started in here.
It's Trump's tax returns being leaked. A lot of buildup and nothing satisfying by the end.
Sometimes I have to poop a lot. Now you say something.
God that'd be awful.
I'm on 4 hours sleep, and I'm not exaggerating, and I was awake 20 hours yesterday straight.
At least the tin was labelled accurately.
Surprised you haven't said Pizza-Shadowwolf yet.
Am I on the same team as him?
gotta cook and have a shower soon
you gonna be around much next few hours?
couldn't tell you
he's done nothing
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Excellent. This won't make towning difficult at all!
Yeah but I can already tell you that I'm going to be tired, then doing chores (house is dirty), then a nap. My golden time for this game is going to be in about 7pm onwards today, after dinner for me. Thats something crazy hours for you dunno if it's good. LolNorway.
I'm also going to tell you how tired I am about 50 more times, so look forward to that, I'm sure you're excited.
ya no worries we can talk when we can
do you have anything on anyone so far?
thats not why im voting them so much rn but just a point to note
Osi wolfy
Shadow wolfy
I'm probably not gonna call myself town this game.
But like I said, why are you not reading me and Shadow as a team?
I ship that team. Total distancing effort from me on his posts so far.
the term distancing is used with as much success as the term flinching
why should i?
Why?
Look at our interactions so far.
You don't think that's wolfy? Looks wolfy.
Tonal memes reads.
Shadow
"If you're town then you really have nothing to worry about, since you can't die by lynch anyway."
Osi
"Tom seems town; I don't think he's playing himself here. Unvote"
Who's posts are more aggressively null, mine or pizza's?
Bonus question:
Is shadow actually scared of me/pizza? I agree with rwso that we would 100% do that, but does shadow actually think that's happening?
Yours. Mine are wolfy, so they cannot be null.
Shadow is not afraid of you. We'll eat you at night and then wreck this game.
Would you just voluntarily crawl into my pocket? It'll be over soon, handsome.