I hope that in the later stages of this game there is more role-playing. We were all given characters, we should be using them.
There was no indication in the opening post that we should be speaking in character, so no one's done so. I was just doing so as a joke.
Some Mafia games do indeed want people to roleplay, but unless the mod specifies it, there's no need.
The main problem with roleplaying (beyond the early-voting stage where people are just joking around) is that no one can get a read on you, only on your character. And Mafia is all about trying to get reads on people.
Well, I apologize greatly for being away for a few days and I agree with BluesEclipse that maybe I should have posted something to mention that I would be busy this weekend. Honestly, I cannot get a read on anyone except those who have participated less than I have, which is nobody at the current time. While I agree it can make me look scummy, it is certainly not my intention. Going to remain neutral on all front until I get a better idea for the feel of this game.
A'right, Iunno how much the mentors are allowed to contribute to their players' actions, but it's clear we need some direction here from the more experienced players for anything to happen.
So. BluesEclipse, nagobcnik, let's get a wagon going to start focusing people. You two are on JulsSkogs, right? I'd rather you join me on MysticSunray, cuz he's scummy as hell (even explicitly saying he's gonna bow out of actually contributing for a while); JulsSkogs feels like he's legitimately just really new and confused, especially with his new vote on me. Check out Sunray's posts and tell me that isn't the strongest scum read in the thread.
folzastill being neutral on all fronts seems very suspicious to me. Not wanting to take sides is not giving us information.
JolsSkogs on the other hand has given us lots of information. Which is why I am feeling scum from him too. Very quick to call out EL. Yes he is quick to accuse, but he started the accusing, he did not jump on any bandwagon.
@fuggingolli***: I would have no idea how to roleplay my character. I am not very knowledgable in the story of mtg. Especially not from
Alara.
I also don't think we have heard from mysticin a while.
vote: MysticSunray
I agree with your analysis. I had comepletely forgotten about that, and had brushed it off as a joke because I had assumed he posted again. Now I don't think we should put enough votes to get to the next day. I would like to wait until we get the 2 other players active or switched out. Going to day 2 without information on them would be unwise
I hope that in the later stages of this game there is more role-playing. We were all given characters, we should be using them.
There was no indication in the opening post that we should be speaking in character, so no one's done so. I was just doing so as a joke.
Some Mafia games do indeed want people to roleplay, but unless the mod specifies it, there's no need.
The main problem with roleplaying (beyond the early-voting stage where people are just joking around) is that no one can get a read on you, only on your character. And Mafia is all about trying to get reads on people.
We definitely should have had something more as far as direction on what the purpose of given characters are.
folzastill being neutral on all fronts seems very suspicious to me. Not wanting to take sides is not giving us information.
JolsSkogs on the other hand has given us lots of information. Which is why I am feeling scum from him too. Very quick to call out EL. Yes he is quick to accuse, but he started the accusing, he did not jump on any bandwagon.
@fuggingolli***: I would have no idea how to roleplay my character. I am not very knowledgable in the story of mtg. Especially not from
Alara.
I also don't think we have heard from mysticin a while.
Characters are flavor. Sometimes flavor has an impact on mechanics; sometimes it doesn't. It wouldn't surprise me if, say, the Town Cop (a role that can read the factional alignment of a targeted player once per night) were given the Sen Triplets character, an Alaran legendary creature that can read the cards in a player's hand.
It also provides a bit of fuel for the early "Random Voting Stage" that happens at the beginning of a Mafia game, which is why I was using my Kresh character as an excuse to vote against Elesh Norn, for example.
Sooo, if you agree that Mystic's actions are "strange", you wanna help us out in building up his wagon? He's at 3 votes and it requires 7 to lynch him, so putting him at 4 votes by adding your own would be a good amount of pressure to force him to stop lurking and start defending himself.
(There are lots of different arguments that can be made regarding the right size for a pressure wagon, but my rule of thumb is "L-M, where L is the number needed to lynch and M is the number of Mafia in the game". Since this is a 12 player game, there are probably 3 Mafia, so with 7 to lynch I'm comfortable at 7-3 = 4 votes for a pressure wagon.)
@EternalLurker wouldn't you want to do one less than the number of mafia? Because if we are about to lynch a town and there are 3 mafia and 3 votes needed, couldn't they slip it and kill the town? I guess I'm just asking for an explanation for a pressure wagon .
@Mograppler: First off, that idea requires the assumption that there are no Mafia on the pressure-wagon. Unlikely. Second, if the Mafia suddenly pile onto a vote to hammer it, they're giving themselves away and we'll know exactly who to lynch tomorrow. So you want the temptation to be there, but it's not really gonna happen.
@fuggingolli***: There are actually several issues with trying to roleplay based on the characters given. As was already mentioned, the problem exists that the game is about trying to get a read on the other players, and a focus on staying in-character doesn't necessarily help that. There's also the fact that we don't know what all of the characters are that were assigned, so we have no way of being certain whether or not a person is being honest about their assigned character role. Plus, not everyone is going to get a role that has a defined personality to roleplay, or has enough story-related information to really assign an affiliation to. But the biggest issue is simply that the mod is not always going to assign roles based on expectations - it's the main reason why we don't ask for a mass role claim and be done with it. The flavor is there mainly so that the mod can actually put a bit of personality into explaining the night kills and such, should they so choose.
If you're interested, though, I am Thraximundar - and I am town, despite the expectation of a murderous Grixis zombie knight to be evil.
Regarding your vote, what is it that's making you see Nago as scum? So far, he hasn't given any real scumtells that I've picked up on. (If anyone else wants to chime in on this, feel free to do so as well.)
@Folza: It's been mentioned repeatedly, but is worth restating - choosing to stay 'neutral' and not posting is simply hindering the town, as you're not giving us any information to work with, whether in trying to clear you as town, or helping us identify others from their reactions to your posts. Very troublesome. And you're saying you can't get a read on anyone except those who have posted less than you have... I'm finding it hard to believe that, considering the amount of information at your disposal thus far. At the very least, you should be able to have a read on myself, Lurker, and Nago, along with possibly Mog and Bloodmoon. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise worries me...
FOS: Folza - Given my earlier rainbow wall, though, this shouldn't really be surprising to anyone. (For the newbies, this means 'Finger of Suspicion' - basically saying that while I'm not voting you ATM, I'm still reading you as scum at this point, but have reasons for my vote being elsewhere.)
@JulsSkogs: I'm curious as well to exactly what wagon you think EL jumped on - could you please elaborate? Also, as for direction on what the purpose of given characters are, that's what the actual roles (Town Vanilla, Town Cop, Mafia Goon, etc) are for. The flavor roles (Kresh, Thraximundar, Uril, etc) are there more to give the game a bit of personality. The best example that I've found of this is the Disgaea Mafia that was run here back in 2009. The players didn't interact in character, but the mod used the flavor of the characters and world to build the scenes for lynches and revealing nightkills.
@EternalLurker: I can see what you're suggesting (did a quick reread on Sunray's few posts), and understand where you're coming from. And Sunray's another example of 'active on the forums, not on the thread' (last active 9 hours ago), so I can easily support calling him out for more info. That said...
Unvote, Vote: MysticSunray
He may wind up replacing out (Wheat mentioned he was prodded, and he hasn't posted since then), but even then we can get some info from his replacement. I am going to still FOS: JulsSkogs because at the very least, I intend to try and get more from him at a later date.
@Mograppler: The worst case scenario is that Sunray is town, and scum decide to quickhammer him at L-3 or L-2 - if that's the case, though, they're pretty much holding up giant signs at that point saying 'Hey, I'm scum, come lynch me!'. I've generally seen the pressure point as L-2, myself. And I do agree that we don't necessarily want the day to end right away, without hearing from our inactives or their replacements, but we still want some pressure on Sunray.
@MysticSunray: At this point, 'sitting this one out' isn't doing you or your faction any favors, regardless of which side you're on. Anything to say?
@Wheat_Grinder: Status on those prodded, and votecount, please? Thanks.
@mograppler, where do you normally play at? I'm curious where you picked up the no lynch thing at and whether it has a meta of night role focused games vs games with lots of vanilla town.
Characters are flavor. Sometimes flavor has an impact on mechanics; sometimes it doesn't. It wouldn't surprise me if, say, the Town Cop (a role that can read the factional alignment of a targeted player once per night) were given the Sen Triplets character, an Alaran legendary creature that can read the cards in a player's hand.
It also provides a bit of fuel for the early "Random Voting Stage" that happens at the beginning of a Mafia game, which is why I was using my Kresh character as an excuse to vote against Elesh Norn, for example.
Sooo, if you agree that Mystic's actions are "strange", you wanna help us out in building up his wagon? He's at 3 votes and it requires 7 to lynch him, so putting him at 4 votes by adding your own would be a good amount of pressure to force him to stop lurking and start defending himself.
(There are lots of different arguments that can be made regarding the right size for a pressure wagon, but my rule of thumb is "L-M, where L is the number needed to lynch and M is the number of Mafia in the game". Since this is a 12 player game, there are probably 3 Mafia, so with 7 to lynch I'm comfortable at 7-3 = 4 votes for a pressure wagon.)
Oh alright, I guess I thought they were a far bigger deal than they are
@fuggingolli***: There are actually several issues with trying to roleplay based on the characters given. As was already mentioned, the problem exists that the game is about trying to get a read on the other players, and a focus on staying in-character doesn't necessarily help that. There's also the fact that we don't know what all of the characters are that were assigned, so we have no way of being certain whether or not a person is being honest about their assigned character role. Plus, not everyone is going to get a role that has a defined personality to roleplay, or has enough story-related information to really assign an affiliation to. But the biggest issue is simply that the mod is not always going to assign roles based on expectations - it's the main reason why we don't ask for a mass role claim and be done with it. The flavor is there mainly so that the mod can actually put a bit of personality into explaining the night kills and such, should they so choose.
If you're interested, though, I am Thraximundar - and I am town, despite the expectation of a murderous Grixis zombie knight to be evil.
Regarding your vote, what is it that's making you see Nago as scum? So far, he hasn't given any real scumtells that I've picked up on. (If anyone else wants to chime in on this, feel free to do so as well.)
@Folza: It's been mentioned repeatedly, but is worth restating - choosing to stay 'neutral' and not posting is simply hindering the town, as you're not giving us any information to work with, whether in trying to clear you as town, or helping us identify others from their reactions to your posts. Very troublesome. And you're saying you can't get a read on anyone except those who have posted less than you have... I'm finding it hard to believe that, considering the amount of information at your disposal thus far. At the very least, you should be able to have a read on myself, Lurker, and Nago, along with possibly Mog and Bloodmoon. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise worries me...
FOS: Folza - Given my earlier rainbow wall, though, this shouldn't really be surprising to anyone. (For the newbies, this means 'Finger of Suspicion' - basically saying that while I'm not voting you ATM, I'm still reading you as scum at this point, but have reasons for my vote being elsewhere.)
@JulsSkogs: I'm curious as well to exactly what wagon you think EL jumped on - could you please elaborate? Also, as for direction on what the purpose of given characters are, that's what the actual roles (Town Vanilla, Town Cop, Mafia Goon, etc) are for. The flavor roles (Kresh, Thraximundar, Uril, etc) are there more to give the game a bit of personality. The best example that I've found of this is the Disgaea Mafia that was run here back in 2009. The players didn't interact in character, but the mod used the flavor of the characters and world to build the scenes for lynches and revealing nightkills.
@EternalLurker: I can see what you're suggesting (did a quick reread on Sunray's few posts), and understand where you're coming from. And Sunray's another example of 'active on the forums, not on the thread' (last active 9 hours ago), so I can easily support calling him out for more info. That said...
Unvote, Vote: MysticSunray
He may wind up replacing out (Wheat mentioned he was prodded, and he hasn't posted since then), but even then we can get some info from his replacement. I am going to still FOS: JulsSkogs because at the very least, I intend to try and get more from him at a later date.
@Mograppler: The worst case scenario is that Sunray is town, and scum decide to quickhammer him at L-3 or L-2 - if that's the case, though, they're pretty much holding up giant signs at that point saying 'Hey, I'm scum, come lynch me!'. I've generally seen the pressure point as L-2, myself. And I do agree that we don't necessarily want the day to end right away, without hearing from our inactives or their replacements, but we still want some pressure on Sunray.
@MysticSunray: At this point, 'sitting this one out' isn't doing you or your faction any favors, regardless of which side you're on. Anything to say?
@Wheat_Grinder: Status on those prodded, and votecount, please? Thanks.
@AudioTsunami: I played at loadingreadyrun.com it was like 7 years ago, and I played like 2 games. One was basic and one was more role heavy, with multiple 3rd parties. I thought no lynch was what we did day one after discussing everything, but maybe I was wrong. Looking at it in hindsight, it doesn't make sense to no lynch in a basic game. So I was probably wrong.
Okay, although I have read through games before, someone remind me what L-2 is.
@ Folza What is there to be neutral about at this point? Honestly, it just seems like you are trying to dodge and not talk or participate. That just seems weird. Can we get some type of input from you please? Surely you have thoughts about someone, anyone?
Also, in case anyone is interested, MysticSunray was on two hours ago. You cannot sit on the sidelines, we need input from you, please.
@AudioTsunami: Since you've shown that you are present, what are your thoughts on things at the moment? (Just a general idea will suffice, I'm not looking for a detailed analysis of the entire thread from you yet.)
@JulsSkogs: Okay. But if you were voting for Lurker because you misread the thread, and you acknowledge that, why do you still have the vote up for Lurker? If you have other reasoning for wanting to vote him up, I'd love to hear it, but otherwise you probably would want to unvote for the time being if you don't have anyone else you feel strongly enough on to try and put up.
@Mograppler: Yeah, even in a role-heavy game, a no-lynch day 1 wouldn't necessarily be wise (depends on the specifics of the setup, whether it's open or not, etc). Also, as a note, you've been misspelling Skogs's name - it's JulsSkogs, not JolsSkogs.
@Bloodmoon0324: L-X is shorthand for saying 'X votes from lynch'. So if the lynch threshold is 7, L-2 is 5 votes, L-1 would be 6 votes, etc.
@AudioTsunami: Since you've shown that you are present, what are your thoughts on things at the moment? (Just a general idea will suffice, I'm not looking for a detailed analysis of the entire thread from you yet.)
@JulsSkogs: Okay. But if you were voting for Lurker because you misread the thread, and you acknowledge that, why do you still have the vote up for Lurker? If you have other reasoning for wanting to vote him up, I'd love to hear it, but otherwise you probably would want to unvote for the time being if you don't have anyone else you feel strongly enough on to try and put up.
@Mograppler: Yeah, even in a role-heavy game, a no-lynch day 1 wouldn't necessarily be wise (depends on the specifics of the setup, whether it's open or not, etc). Also, as a note, you've been misspelling Skogs's name - it's JulsSkogs, not JolsSkogs.
@Bloodmoon0324: L-X is shorthand for saying 'X votes from lynch'. So if the lynch threshold is 7, L-2 is 5 votes, L-1 would be 6 votes, etc.
I was actually gonna ask, do i just switch votes by posting exactly how i did for my first vote or is there like an "unvote" syntax that i have to do before i vote again
@JulsSkogs: You can unvote by typing 'Unvote' in bold - this will clear your vote entirely. If you want to change your vote, you can simply put a new vote in the way you voted originally... for this game, anyway. Some games/mods will require you to unvote before submitting a new vote, so I prefer to unvote as part of a vote change just to make sure I'm in the habit of doing so.
I've been uncertain as to whether you and Bacon are legit more Townie than everyone else, or whether that's just cuz you're the only other experienced players here and the new players inherently seem scummy, making you look Townie by contrast. Been hoping it's the former. But then your post #135 worried me:
@JulsSkogs: Okay. But if you were voting for Lurker because you misread the thread, and you acknowledge that, why do you still have the vote up for Lurker? If you have other reasoning for wanting to vote him up, I'd love to hear it, but otherwise you probably would want to unvote for the time being if you don't have anyone else you feel strongly enough on to try and put up.
Telling Skogs to explain why he's got his vote on me is just you helping him out as an experienced player. Specifically telling him to unvote me in the meantime, however, was unnecessary, and now there's a little alarm bell in the back of my brain telling me that you're Mafia and pocketing me. D:
@EternalLurker: I was advising him to unvote you if he didn't have any other reasoning to see you as suspicious. And that's simply because it doesn't make sense to have the vote on someone at this point if you aren't suspicious of them - it's safe to say we're out of RVS. As far as whether I'm pocketing you or not... eh, I'll let you make that decision for yourself. I think we'll have to wait for Sunray's replacement before anything comes from that front, so in the meantime, feel free to ask if there's anything you're concerned about from me, or if you want me to elaborate on anything I've already posted.
Also, when you say Bacon, I assume you mean Nago? I'm not sure where you could've gotten Bacon from, though. Autocorrect fail, maybe? Anyway, now I want to go make some bacon... thanks for that.
@fug You've posted three times so far, and expressed almost no opinions whatsoever. I don't count voting for someone for being "really aggressive" or whatever. This really leads me to believe that you're just trying to go without ticking anyone off or drawing attention to yourself, which is just lurking 101. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I'm going to express my opinions as blatantly as possible.
I think you're scum because you're lurking, and so I am voting for you.
@EL or whoever Is there anything causing scum reads on Sunray other than the original posts and then nothing? That doesn't seem like enough to merit lynching unless I missed something in page one or two.
Bluey I like the rainbow wall, I thing I'll do something like it in the morning.
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Also, when you say Bacon, I assume you mean Nago? I'm not sure where you could've gotten Bacon from, though. Autocorrect fail, maybe? Anyway, now I want to go make some bacon... thanks for that.
Sorry, his name's KingBacon backwards, with the C and the G switched.
@EL or whoever Is there anything causing scum reads on Sunray other than the original posts and then nothing? That doesn't seem like enough to merit lynching unless I missed something in page one or two.
...That's literally 100% of his posts. If you don't think it's ever fair to build a wagon on a person based on all of their posts because there just aren't enough posts from that person, then you're condoning lurking. Don't condone lurking.
@nagobcnik: I don't see it that way. I think mystic felt pressured by Eternal, and reacted. He left because he thought he had been tagged. Didn't sound like he was mad and left.
@nagocnik: with the information I was given, yes that is my "best explanation". You have your interpretation, I have mine. I will have my eyes on whoever takes his place. He is still a loose cannon, but that has given us lots of information by being one, which helps the town. He pointed stuff out about mystic that I had forgotten and misremembered.
EternalLurker: No, I will not join the Sunray wagon at this point. I read his posts as coming from a frustrated new player. His first post is solid. You are hung on his die throwing comparison, but I see inexperience rather than scum in suggesting this. You vote him on that grounds, he responds with an instant revenge vote, another inexperience tell, then Torg joins, you make that smug remark about ez game ez lief and I think he was just pissed off and left. That's the way it seems to me, anyway. The recent substitution seems to be in favor of my theory rather than yours.
I don't give a damn about the die-throwing thing; that was just an excuse for my RVS vote. My problem is that his later reaction was that of inexperienced caught scum: "oh no he found me so early, this game is too hard, I'm leaving".
And yes, there are other problematic people, Folza being the most notable. I'm fine with piling onto Folza as well. But so far that hasn't happened, so Sunray seemed the best bet for getting a wagon going to focus the new players' attention onto something. There's no activity in this thread and having something (or someone) concrete to discuss will help with that.
If you think we can get something going on Folza, by all means lemme know and I'll move my vote there.
@nagobcnik: I understand your thoughts there, and accept your suspicion - the only time I want you to trust me unconditionally is after I've flipped town (and even then, it's still worth considering that I could reach the wrong conclusions when evaluating others). But you said you're unwilling to put more pressure on Sunray at the moment - do you believe it'll be best to put that pressure on Juls? Folza? Or someone else perhaps? At the moment, Juls, Folza and Sunray (or his slot, anyway) are my three strongest scumleans, so I'd prefer to get some pressure onto one of those three and get more info from them. If you think we should be looking elsewhere, then by all means feel free to offer alternatives.
Honestly, I agree with the arguments set against me. My activity levels have been extremely low, and honestly it might be that I am not focusing enough on the game. Obviously I do not want to spoil the game for everyone, but it may probably just be better that a replacement be found; not because all evidence points towards scuminess or that a vote train is incoming that I am trying to step away from. Perhaps it may have been better for me to sign up with a mentor for first-time forum Mafia. There is honestly though, no valid excuse other than that I haven't been trying hard enough.
Whatever the Town wishes, that is up for all of you to decide. The rope is hitched and it's getting to the point in the week where it's getting time to make a decision for hanging.
@fug You've posted three times so far, and expressed almost no opinions whatsoever. I don't count voting for someone for being "really aggressive" or whatever. This really leads me to believe that you're just trying to go without ticking anyone off or drawing attention to yourself, which is just lurking 101. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I'm going to express my opinions as blatantly as possible.
I think you're scum because you're lurking, and so I am voting for you.
That is just the way my personality works, IRL and on the internet. You are entitled to your opinion, and honestly I really don't care. If voting for me helps you gather information and moves the game along, so be it. As Nago put it:
Some issues have been raised and some of you did not even bother to comment. This way, we as a town haven't got a lot to work with. Which is bad for us and good for scum. Which is why we need to start actually participating and stop being afraid to go out into the water. If you are town, you shouldn't be too worried if you get voted or even lynched, since all votes and lynches are data we can work with. We are the majority, but are uninformed. Our best chance to get informed by day, not by night.
As I said before, my vote was tentative, to test the waters. I'm starting to form reads on people, but to be honest, none of them are strong. Everyone insists that they are town and people who post less are scum, doesn't really give me a whole lot of insight into anyone's motivations.
I mean, fugs has posted a little bit, but...his posts have basically been "I don't have enough information", with no efforts to actually obtain that information by disturbing the waters and making some noise.
I mean, fugs has posted a little bit, but...his posts have basically been "I don't have enough information", with no efforts to actually obtain that information by disturbing the waters and making some noise.
This was moreso my point, should have been more clear
The problem is that it's true for lots of people, and I'm still more worried about Folza and much more worried about Sunray; Golli***'s on my radar but not to their degree.
Some Mafia games do indeed want people to roleplay, but unless the mod specifies it, there's no need.
The main problem with roleplaying (beyond the early-voting stage where people are just joking around) is that no one can get a read on you, only on your character. And Mafia is all about trying to get reads on people.
Ok, Vote: nagobcnik
So. BluesEclipse, nagobcnik, let's get a wagon going to start focusing people. You two are on JulsSkogs, right? I'd rather you join me on MysticSunray, cuz he's scummy as hell (even explicitly saying he's gonna bow out of actually contributing for a while); JulsSkogs feels like he's legitimately just really new and confused, especially with his new vote on me. Check out Sunray's posts and tell me that isn't the strongest scum read in the thread.
JolsSkogs on the other hand has given us lots of information. Which is why I am feeling scum from him too. Very quick to call out EL. Yes he is quick to accuse, but he started the accusing, he did not jump on any bandwagon.
@fuggingolli***: I would have no idea how to roleplay my character. I am not very knowledgable in the story of mtg. Especially not from
Alara.
I also don't think we have heard from mysticin a while.
I agree with your analysis. I had comepletely forgotten about that, and had brushed it off as a joke because I had assumed he posted again. Now I don't think we should put enough votes to get to the next day. I would like to wait until we get the 2 other players active or switched out. Going to day 2 without information on them would be unwise
We definitely should have had something more as far as direction on what the purpose of given characters are.
Admittedly, i was very quick to be called out so
yes that was rather strange wasn't it
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It also provides a bit of fuel for the early "Random Voting Stage" that happens at the beginning of a Mafia game, which is why I was using my Kresh character as an excuse to vote against Elesh Norn, for example.
Sooo, if you agree that Mystic's actions are "strange", you wanna help us out in building up his wagon? He's at 3 votes and it requires 7 to lynch him, so putting him at 4 votes by adding your own would be a good amount of pressure to force him to stop lurking and start defending himself.
(There are lots of different arguments that can be made regarding the right size for a pressure wagon, but my rule of thumb is "L-M, where L is the number needed to lynch and M is the number of Mafia in the game". Since this is a 12 player game, there are probably 3 Mafia, so with 7 to lynch I'm comfortable at 7-3 = 4 votes for a pressure wagon.)
If you're interested, though, I am Thraximundar - and I am town, despite the expectation of a murderous Grixis zombie knight to be evil.
Regarding your vote, what is it that's making you see Nago as scum? So far, he hasn't given any real scumtells that I've picked up on. (If anyone else wants to chime in on this, feel free to do so as well.)
@Folza: It's been mentioned repeatedly, but is worth restating - choosing to stay 'neutral' and not posting is simply hindering the town, as you're not giving us any information to work with, whether in trying to clear you as town, or helping us identify others from their reactions to your posts. Very troublesome. And you're saying you can't get a read on anyone except those who have posted less than you have... I'm finding it hard to believe that, considering the amount of information at your disposal thus far. At the very least, you should be able to have a read on myself, Lurker, and Nago, along with possibly Mog and Bloodmoon. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise worries me...
FOS: Folza - Given my earlier rainbow wall, though, this shouldn't really be surprising to anyone. (For the newbies, this means 'Finger of Suspicion' - basically saying that while I'm not voting you ATM, I'm still reading you as scum at this point, but have reasons for my vote being elsewhere.)
@JulsSkogs: I'm curious as well to exactly what wagon you think EL jumped on - could you please elaborate? Also, as for direction on what the purpose of given characters are, that's what the actual roles (Town Vanilla, Town Cop, Mafia Goon, etc) are for. The flavor roles (Kresh, Thraximundar, Uril, etc) are there more to give the game a bit of personality. The best example that I've found of this is the Disgaea Mafia that was run here back in 2009. The players didn't interact in character, but the mod used the flavor of the characters and world to build the scenes for lynches and revealing nightkills.
@EternalLurker: I can see what you're suggesting (did a quick reread on Sunray's few posts), and understand where you're coming from. And Sunray's another example of 'active on the forums, not on the thread' (last active 9 hours ago), so I can easily support calling him out for more info. That said...
Unvote, Vote: MysticSunray
He may wind up replacing out (Wheat mentioned he was prodded, and he hasn't posted since then), but even then we can get some info from his replacement. I am going to still FOS: JulsSkogs because at the very least, I intend to try and get more from him at a later date.
@Mograppler: The worst case scenario is that Sunray is town, and scum decide to quickhammer him at L-3 or L-2 - if that's the case, though, they're pretty much holding up giant signs at that point saying 'Hey, I'm scum, come lynch me!'. I've generally seen the pressure point as L-2, myself. And I do agree that we don't necessarily want the day to end right away, without hearing from our inactives or their replacements, but we still want some pressure on Sunray.
@MysticSunray: At this point, 'sitting this one out' isn't doing you or your faction any favors, regardless of which side you're on. Anything to say?
@Wheat_Grinder: Status on those prodded, and votecount, please? Thanks.
Oh alright, I guess I thought they were a far bigger deal than they are
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@BluesEclipse: I misread the thread when skimming back through to see who built the wagon and who jumped on it
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@ Folza What is there to be neutral about at this point? Honestly, it just seems like you are trying to dodge and not talk or participate. That just seems weird. Can we get some type of input from you please? Surely you have thoughts about someone, anyone?
Also, in case anyone is interested, MysticSunray was on two hours ago. You cannot sit on the sidelines, we need input from you, please.
@JulsSkogs: Okay. But if you were voting for Lurker because you misread the thread, and you acknowledge that, why do you still have the vote up for Lurker? If you have other reasoning for wanting to vote him up, I'd love to hear it, but otherwise you probably would want to unvote for the time being if you don't have anyone else you feel strongly enough on to try and put up.
@Mograppler: Yeah, even in a role-heavy game, a no-lynch day 1 wouldn't necessarily be wise (depends on the specifics of the setup, whether it's open or not, etc). Also, as a note, you've been misspelling Skogs's name - it's JulsSkogs, not JolsSkogs.
@Bloodmoon0324: L-X is shorthand for saying 'X votes from lynch'. So if the lynch threshold is 7, L-2 is 5 votes, L-1 would be 6 votes, etc.
It's worth a shot.
Sandmummy and MysticSunray are being replaced.
King Torg is being prodded.
Votecount!
EternalLurker - 2 (Folza, JulsSkogs)
fuggingolli*** - 1 (King Torg)
JulsSkogs - 1 (nagobcnik)
King Torg - 1 (Bloodmoon0324)
Mystic Sunray - 1 (EternalLurker)
nagobcnik - 1 (fuggingolli***)
Not Voting - 5 (Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, Mograppler, BluesEclipse, Mystic Sunray)
@EternalLurker: ...Wha?
EternalLurker - 2 (Folza, JulsSkogs)
fuggingolli*** - 1 (King Torg)
JulsSkogs - 1 (nagobcnik)
King Torg - 1 (Bloodmoon0324)
Mystic Sunray - 3 (EternalLurker, Mograppler, BluesEclipse)
nagobcnik - 1 (fuggingolli***)
Not Voting - 3 (Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, Mystic Sunray)
I was actually gonna ask, do i just switch votes by posting exactly how i did for my first vote or is there like an "unvote" syntax that i have to do before i vote again
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Also, when you say Bacon, I assume you mean Nago? I'm not sure where you could've gotten Bacon from, though. Autocorrect fail, maybe? Anyway, now I want to go make some bacon... thanks for that.
I think you're scum because you're lurking, and so I am voting for you.
@EL or whoever Is there anything causing scum reads on Sunray other than the original posts and then nothing? That doesn't seem like enough to merit lynching unless I missed something in page one or two.
Bluey I like the rainbow wall, I thing I'll do something like it in the morning.
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...That's literally 100% of his posts. If you don't think it's ever fair to build a wagon on a person based on all of their posts because there just aren't enough posts from that person, then you're condoning lurking. Don't condone lurking.
If you think we can get something going on Folza, by all means lemme know and I'll move my vote there.
Fine by me, at least until we see what Sunray's replacement is like.
where your opinions at now, Folza
Unvote, Vote: Folza
Whatever the Town wishes, that is up for all of you to decide. The rope is hitched and it's getting to the point in the week where it's getting time to make a decision for hanging.
Unvote: EternalLurker
That is just the way my personality works, IRL and on the internet. You are entitled to your opinion, and honestly I really don't care. If voting for me helps you gather information and moves the game along, so be it. As Nago put it:
As I said before, my vote was tentative, to test the waters. I'm starting to form reads on people, but to be honest, none of them are strong. Everyone insists that they are town and people who post less are scum, doesn't really give me a whole lot of insight into anyone's motivations.
I know I didn't chime in much yesterday, but since reading through what's transpired since, it's certainly strange that fug maintains his silence.
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Unvote. Vote: Folza
This was moreso my point, should have been more clear
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MysticSunray has been replaced by D_V