Heads for Unscythe (dead):
1. D_V (r. MysticSunray) (lynched Day 1) - Mayael the Anima, Town Vanilla
2. Rhand (r. Sandmummy) (killed Night 1) - Sen Triplets, Town Vanilla
3. osieorb18 (r. nagobcnik) (lynched Day 2) - Progenitus, town Vanilla
4. Megiddo (r. AudioTsunami) (killed Night 2) - Rakka Mar, town Vanilla
5. shadowlancerx (r. Folza) Uril the Miststalker, town Doctor
Sidelined shapeshifters (/replace):
1. tomsloger (in if needed)
2. Vaimes
3. Atogaholic
BASIC MAFIA RULES:
There are two factions: Town and Mafia.
The Town have the following win condition: Eliminate all Mafia.
The Mafia have the following win condition: Become equal in number to or outnumber the town.
All Mafia members know all other Mafia members. Members of the Town know only themselves.
The game is divided into cycles consisting of a Day phase and a Night phase.
During the Day, everyone may discuss in the main game thread. Additionally, each player has one vote which they may place on any other player, and which they can change at will.
When one player is being voted by a majority of players, that player is lynched (for example, if 12 are alive, 7 votes are needed). Their role is revealed, and they are removed from the game.
Additionally, players may decide to "No Lynch". This does not require a full majority, only votes from exactly half of the players. (For example, if 12 are alive, 6 votes are needed).
When either occurs, the game proceeds to the Night phase. During this time, the Mafia have a separate chat which they may discuss to themselves in.
During the Night, any player with an ability may use that ability. The only publicly known ability is the Mafia Nightkill, which may be performed by any member of the Mafia. Whoever is targeted with this ability will be removed from the game and their role revealed when the following Day starts.
After all abilities are received by the mod, the next Day starts, and the game continues.
ADDITIONAL IMPORTANT RULES:
Each player is given their role via a PM. YOU MAY NOT QUOTE THIS PM DIRECTLY. Paraphrasing is allowed. Not sure if your paraphrasing is appropriate? It's always good to check with the mod.
Each mafia player is given a fake "town" role in addition to their mafia role. Therefore, you may assume all roles have come from the mod.
Here's a sample role PM:
You are Unscythe, Killer of Kings, town Vanilla
There's no time for flavor when you're decapitating monarchs.
Ability: Your only ability is your vote.
Day phases will last no longer than 3 weeks. The mod may choose to shorten this deadline based on activity. If time runs out without a lynch, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If two players are tied, the player who reached that number of votes first will be lynched.
You may NOT discuss this game anywhere but the game thread or a mod-sanctioned QuickTopic thread (for mentors and the scum).
Night phases will last no longer than 72 hours. If this time runs out, any players who haven't submitted their Night action (if applicable) will perform no action.
You must post once every 3 IRL days at minimum, or you will be prodded. Failure to respond after being prodded will result in you being replaced. Please post more often than once every 3 IRL days.
No editing your posts!
No liking posts.
Role PM: You are Kresh the Bloodbraided, Almighty Legend. You are too badass to join puny factions like Town or Mafia. At any time, day or night, you may swing your mighty blade to destroy the entire thread and all other players on both sides, as well as Unscythe itself. You automatically win as a result, of course. Cuz you're ******* Kresh.
I know it's a little early for a role-claim, but I figured I'd just let you all know that I'm not gonna use my ability, because Kresh is too stronk for your puny Mafia game. We can just play this the fair way. Maybe it'll even be fun.
Let's start said fun by getting the person who doesn't wanna lynch anyone on day one. Kresh does not stand for pitiful pacifist bull*****.
You are Uril, the Mistalker. Calm, collected, and wise, I will wait until it is time to strike. And you will not want to be on the other end of my furious, furry fist; Unscythe shall have you!
@Mograppler: We don't have information at present - however, the name of the game is collecting that info. Putting people up helps to garner that info, both from how they react and how others react. I'm not saying we won't decide that a D1 no-lynch isn't the best option, but it's not the best move by default.
@EternalLurker: I would say that role is OP, but like everything else, it is countered by Time Stop, Stifle, Disallow, and so on.
@Folza: Is that an actual no-lynch vote, or are you just withholding your vote for the moment?
@BluesEclipse
So the idea is to see what info you are getting out of them from putting them up? Sorry I'm learning from this game and my mentor.
Also, how do I bold a name??
@Bloodmoon0324: Yeah - no role would actually be that powerful (his 'claimed' role essentially is "0: You win the game."), so he's fine with the fake role PM. And yes, the idea is to see how people react to things, look at the discussions that result from the votes, and then decide. (Also, to bold something you would use
[b]
in front of the bolded text and
[/b]
at the end of what you want to bold.)
@Mograppler: Modvote, huh? It's a choice, though I don't think you'll get enough traction on that wagon for a lynch.
@EternalLurker: You can't destroy a player, so the wording would have to involve "You win the game" somewhere (or "Each opponent loses the game", I guess). Also, I don't think unvoting is optional, given that WG's using the automated vote counter - it would probably count the vote twice if there's no unvote involved. (Wheat_Grinder, feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong.) That being said, though - I'm curious. Any particular reasoning behind your votes (on both Mograppler and Folza), or were those just random?
@Bloodmoon0324: No worries - I'm more than happy to advise on mechanics and general stuff, and I'll be glad to provide any input regarding the game itself (which I'll be doing anyway as the game goes on - kinda have to when analyzing posts and such).
@EternalLurker: I'll admit, I haven't looked too much at the details of the vote counter. That's good to know. As for the vote logic, from what I see you are putting votes up on people who are voting for no-lynch. You said that Mograppler looks scummy to you, though - I haven't been getting a scum vibe from his posts. No town vibe, either, though. (And I honestly don't hold with the whole 'attempting to lynch mod is a scumtell' idea - though I'll be watching to see if he actually contributes anything, and how he votes moving forward.) I'm hoping we get some more activity in here soon so that we can start trying to pull reads on some of the others here, but it's still early in the game I suppose. Also, what are Kresh's thoughts on Experiment Kraj? I think they'd get along well.
Bloodmoon0324: The vote counter really won't make a difference for the vote on WG, since he's the mod and can't be lynched - I was mainly concerned about whether it would recognize Lurker's vote change as a vote change, or whether it would only read the first vote (or count both of his votes) due to the lack of unvote.
[b@nagobcnik[/b]I don't get the feeling that blue eclipse is scum at all. I feel he's just being helpful to the newbies. Bloodmoon is giving of the most scum vibe to me right now, but it could also just be that he is new is new. And I get your point at lynching day one, since I'm assuming because it's a basic game, there will be a lot of vanilla town, it just seems counter intuitive as the mafia will have gotten rid of 2 of us rather than just being down 1. I haven't played this game online in 8 year, so I don't exactly remember the game theory of it. I last played in person 4 years ago and we lynched day one, but it was a lot easier to get a read on people.
@Mograppler: You've got it totally backwards. If there are a lot of Vanilla Townies, that's all the more reason to lynch day one. Why would you not want a chance at killing a Mafia member on day one when you know they're guaranteed to kill a Town member on night one, while we're not guaranteed to do anything useful on that night? A No-Lynch would probably result in Mafia just getting a free kill while we do nothing. The only real reason to consider a No-Lynch day one is if you don't have a lot of Vanilla Townies, in which case you can argue that Town might be able to get some useful investigative work done on night one to keep pace with the Mafia's kill.
EternalLurker: you do bring up a good point. If we lynch day one at least there is a chance we can kill a mafia vs a town, and probably better odd we lynch mafioso than someone with abilities. And at this point we do have more info than when I first said no lynch, so it's not exactly a numbers game anymore
And to clarify I meant that it is better to lynch with more vanillas than with fewer, but I didn't know if it was better to the point of being actually better than no lynch.
@BluesEclipse: Mograppler is scummy because he's trying way too hard to seem like this nice guy who doesn't wanna lynch anyone. Tactical No-Lynch is fine; No-Lynch because "oh that's so mean, how dare the mod do this to us" is not.
@MysticSunray: Day phases last up to three weeks; of course you don't have to make up your mind yet. >_>
anywho
Vote: Mystic Sunray
for suggesting dice-based voting to take any personal blame out of the equation. "Whoops, I lynched a Townie? Nah, that was just the fault of the dice!"
@nagobcnik: I can see where you're coming from with your suspicion of me, I admit. I'm being helpful because he is a newbie, but I can see where the idea would come from that I'm trying to pocket him - on the other hand, if I'm town, it still makes sense to try and be helpful since a) he is new to this, and b) the more I help him with the mechanics and such, the easier it becomes to get a read on someone without having to worry about confusing newbness for scumminess. And I do agree that we need some votes to push things forward (as you mentioned in #38), but I generally avoid voting within the first few posts specifically because of the lack of real information to that point. That being said, the more I see of Mograppler, with as hard as he's been pushing the no-lynch angle, I find myself looking more closely at him. When he's had multiple people explaining the reason for D1 lynch, and still questions it (even his comments in #37 aren't supporting the lynch idea so much as trying to defend his position of no-lynch), it makes me wonder if he has an agenda there.
Vote: Mograppler
@Mograppler: I don't see a point in reiterating the reasoning for lynching day 1 - I've explained it, Lurker's explained it, and nago's explained it. That being said, you mentioned that Bloodmoon is giving a bit of a scum vibe to you at present. Care to elaborate? And, for that matter, would you like to give your opinions of the rest of the field so far? I'd like to see a bit more from you beyond just pushing for a day 1 no-lynch.
@EternalLurker: I can understand the reasoning for your Sunray vote, though your read on Mograppler thus far (coupled with my own review of his posts) actually pushes him more towards the scum side for me at present. Any thoughts on the rest of the field just yet that you'd care to share, or are you still watching and gathering information?
@MysticSunray: You're right that voting on actives only can be problematic, as it gives mafia an option to just have some of their members lurk to try and avoid suspicion. That said, we've got 4 people who have not posted at all since the confirms (JulsSkogs, Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, fuggingolli***), with the bulk of the activity being between Lurker, Mograppler, myself and Bloodmoon (in that order). Of the inactives, AudioTsunami is the only one who confirmed in-topic. I'm chalking the lack of activity up to the holiday ATM, so hopefully we start seeing more activity tonight/tomorrow from the 4 who haven't contributed yet. And rolling a die to vote doesn't do any more good than a no-lynch - OMGUS is slightly better than that, but only slightly.
@KingTorg: Welcome to the party, Torg. That said, jumping on the Sunray wagon like you did concerns me a bit, as does the lack of any actual contribution to the ongoing discussions. Any thoughts on... well, anyone?
@EternalLurker: I can understand the reasoning for your Sunray vote, though your read on Mograppler thus far (coupled with my own review of his posts) actually pushes him more towards the scum side for me at present.
I mean, it's page 1; nothing's even remotely certain thus far. They're both being scummy, but trying to be specific about who's more scummy than the other with this little evidence is a futile task.
@KingTorg: Welcome to the party, Torg. That said, jumping on the Sunray wagon like you did concerns me a bit
Aww, that seemed like such an obviously scummy play that I was hoping to leave him alone and give him some rope to make more mistakes like that. Figured that, if we built up another wagon and he immediately jumped to that one too, then I'd pounce. Oh well.
We need some more input from other players before we can really see what is going on here. We still have four that haven't posted, which, while I will admit doesn't shock me since we are less than 24 hours into the game, doesn't make it any easier to flush out who is town and who is scum. The downfall there is for all we know this is going to be a pool of lurkers and we might not get much input from them at all (fingers crossed I am very wrong there).
MysticSunray From the past games I have read the logic of doing a no lynch on day one is almost always bad news for town. It's essentially giving scum a free shot without taking a shot at them.
KingTorg Can we get some more of something from you on your current feelings on anyone else out here? I only gathered from your post that you have your vote in and that, well, you might not be fond of mentors.
EternalLurker I would like to know as well what you are feeling from those that have posted.
As for me, the only two people who I have had somewhat interactions with right now are both BlueEclipse and Mograppler. I'm worried about the possibility of being tricked by BlueEclipse due to my lack of knowledge. However I do think it's more him trying to help and less of a scum tell. It just didnt feel scummy to me, but I could be wrong. Mograppler I'm not sure about because it feels like he is trying redirect a little here from heat on his fire.
Checking in: I am Child of Alara, just chilling in the Maelstrom.
As a true WUBRG dopeboi, I have no alignment to any of the shards, and therefore no alignment with any of you.
I will reserve my vote until I have more information.
You know what EternalLurker its seems like Kresh and Uril can't be best friends. Kresh seems to hate a lot more about Uril, than Uril, does about Kresh hmm...only option is to revote. If you would like to reconsider your opinions, feel free.
Vote: EternalLurker
@Bloodmoon0324: I agree. We should give other players some more time to decide their votes. In my opinions, lurkers are scum, but not as scum as people who do not understand the wisdom and truth that is Uril.
Checking in: I am Child of Alara, just chilling in the Maelstrom.
As a true WUBRG dopeboi, I have no alignment to any of the shards, and therefore no alignment with any of you.
I will reserve my vote until I have more information.
You've had a whole page of information, vastly more than anyone else who's voted thus far.
I don't wanna move my vote off of MysticSunray at the moment. Anyone else available to vote this WUBRG scum back into the Maelstrom from whence it came?
@BluesEclipse:here is my problem, the only person I can trust is myself. I have heard from enough people at this point that a no lynch day one probably isn't good. But I had only heard it from a couple people when I posted it before. As for defending my reason for no lynch, multiple people have called it out as a reason for me being scum, so i explain my reasoning.
bloodmoonthe reason I said he was the most scummy was because the first thing he did was vote for someone who hadn't said anything yet. Very little to go off of except for gut.
EternalLurker I really think he's Town Vanilla. I think if he had a role he would be a lot quieter, he is throwing out lots of accusations trying to get people to talk which I think is a good thing. Tho he is also a loose cannon so my read could be way off. I tenitively trust him.
blueseclipse like I said earlier, I think you are just being helpful. I think you're town too.
mysticsunray I really hope he was kidding about dice rolls. He is on my watch list tho, but who isn't at this point. It's way too early to know anything. Just have feelings.
I don't have a read on anyone else yet, which is why I have held off my vote thus far. I forgot how hard this game is, escecially when you don't know anyone.
1. JulsSkogs (m. Ecophagy)
2. King Torg (m. Iso)
3. Vaimes (r. fuggingolli***)
4. Ophidia (r. EternalLurker)
5. Mograppler
6. BluesEclipse
7. Bloodmoon0324 (m. Prophylaxis)
Heads for Unscythe (dead):
1. D_V (r. MysticSunray) (lynched Day 1) - Mayael the Anima, Town Vanilla
2. Rhand (r. Sandmummy) (killed Night 1) - Sen Triplets, Town Vanilla
3. osieorb18 (r. nagobcnik) (lynched Day 2) - Progenitus, town Vanilla
4. Megiddo (r. AudioTsunami) (killed Night 2) - Rakka Mar, town Vanilla
5. shadowlancerx (r. Folza) Uril the Miststalker, town Doctor
Sidelined shapeshifters (/replace):
1. tomsloger (in if needed)
2. Vaimes
3. Atogaholic
BASIC MAFIA RULES:
There are two factions: Town and Mafia.
The Town have the following win condition: Eliminate all Mafia.
The Mafia have the following win condition: Become equal in number to or outnumber the town.
All Mafia members know all other Mafia members. Members of the Town know only themselves.
The game is divided into cycles consisting of a Day phase and a Night phase.
During the Day, everyone may discuss in the main game thread. Additionally, each player has one vote which they may place on any other player, and which they can change at will.
When one player is being voted by a majority of players, that player is lynched (for example, if 12 are alive, 7 votes are needed). Their role is revealed, and they are removed from the game.
Additionally, players may decide to "No Lynch". This does not require a full majority, only votes from exactly half of the players. (For example, if 12 are alive, 6 votes are needed).
When either occurs, the game proceeds to the Night phase. During this time, the Mafia have a separate chat which they may discuss to themselves in.
During the Night, any player with an ability may use that ability. The only publicly known ability is the Mafia Nightkill, which may be performed by any member of the Mafia. Whoever is targeted with this ability will be removed from the game and their role revealed when the following Day starts.
After all abilities are received by the mod, the next Day starts, and the game continues.
ADDITIONAL IMPORTANT RULES:
Each player is given their role via a PM. YOU MAY NOT QUOTE THIS PM DIRECTLY. Paraphrasing is allowed. Not sure if your paraphrasing is appropriate? It's always good to check with the mod.
Each mafia player is given a fake "town" role in addition to their mafia role. Therefore, you may assume all roles have come from the mod.
Here's a sample role PM:
Day phases will last no longer than 3 weeks. The mod may choose to shorten this deadline based on activity. If time runs out without a lynch, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If two players are tied, the player who reached that number of votes first will be lynched.
You may NOT discuss this game anywhere but the game thread or a mod-sanctioned QuickTopic thread (for mentors and the scum).
Night phases will last no longer than 72 hours. If this time runs out, any players who haven't submitted their Night action (if applicable) will perform no action.
You must post once every 3 IRL days at minimum, or you will be prodded. Failure to respond after being prodded will result in you being replaced. Please post more often than once every 3 IRL days.
No editing your posts!
No liking posts.
Besides confirming, no posting is allowed until specified.
There are still mentors available. Please PM me if you want a mentor but don't have one.
If you didn't receive your role PM, PM me.
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
You all eye each other up. Some of you aren't quite as noble as the others. But who?
Unscythe sits casually against a wall. It knows a head will be coming shortly.
It is now Day 1! With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch!
(I will PM you Mystic)
This game will be using Ecophagy's vote counter.
I know it's a little early for a role-claim, but I figured I'd just let you all know that I'm not gonna use my ability, because Kresh is too stronk for your puny Mafia game. We can just play this the fair way. Maybe it'll even be fun.
Let's start said fun by getting the person who doesn't wanna lynch anyone on day one. Kresh does not stand for pitiful pacifist bull*****.
Vote: Mograppler
Vote: Nobody
@EternalLurker: I would say that role is OP, but like everything else, it is countered by Time Stop, Stifle, Disallow, and so on.
@Folza: Is that an actual no-lynch vote, or are you just withholding your vote for the moment?
Simply because I'm not fond of your Avatar.
So the idea is to see what info you are getting out of them from putting them up? Sorry I'm learning from this game and my mentor.
Also, how do I bold a name??
for describing himself as "calm, collected, and wise", and then "furious" in the very next sentence (Kresh hates inconsistency)
and for voting No Lynch (Kresh hates pacifism)
and for having Elesh Norn in his avatar (Kresh hates abilities that reduce creature P/T because they give him fewer counters)
@Mograppler: Modvote, huh? It's a choice, though I don't think you'll get enough traction on that wagon for a lynch.
@Bloodmoon0324: No worries - I'm more than happy to advise on mechanics and general stuff, and I'll be glad to provide any input regarding the game itself (which I'll be doing anyway as the game goes on - kinda have to when analyzing posts and such).
1) You don't tell Kresh what he can and can't do.
2) Unvoting is optional. All things are optional for Kresh anyway.
3) I explained Kresh's reasoning in those posts. Kresh hates having to repeat himself.
That said, more seriously, Mograppler is legit already managing to look scummy, so that's not a great start. That was impressively quick.
I saw that WG is using an auto vote counter. Why does the vote counter make a difference for the vote on WG?
Bloodmoon0324: The vote counter really won't make a difference for the vote on WG, since he's the mod and can't be lynched - I was mainly concerned about whether it would recognize Lurker's vote change as a vote change, or whether it would only read the first vote (or count both of his votes) due to the lack of unvote.
And to clarify I meant that it is better to lynch with more vanillas than with fewer, but I didn't know if it was better to the point of being actually better than no lynch.
anywho
Vote: Mystic Sunray
for suggesting dice-based voting to take any personal blame out of the equation. "Whoops, I lynched a Townie? Nah, that was just the fault of the dice!"
You don't get off that easy here in Kresh-ville.
This feels like it's gonna be an easy game.
Vote: MysticSunray, because everyone with a mentor clearly deserves to die.
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
Vote: Mograppler
@Mograppler: I don't see a point in reiterating the reasoning for lynching day 1 - I've explained it, Lurker's explained it, and nago's explained it. That being said, you mentioned that Bloodmoon is giving a bit of a scum vibe to you at present. Care to elaborate? And, for that matter, would you like to give your opinions of the rest of the field so far? I'd like to see a bit more from you beyond just pushing for a day 1 no-lynch.
@EternalLurker: I can understand the reasoning for your Sunray vote, though your read on Mograppler thus far (coupled with my own review of his posts) actually pushes him more towards the scum side for me at present. Any thoughts on the rest of the field just yet that you'd care to share, or are you still watching and gathering information?
@MysticSunray: You're right that voting on actives only can be problematic, as it gives mafia an option to just have some of their members lurk to try and avoid suspicion. That said, we've got 4 people who have not posted at all since the confirms (JulsSkogs, Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, fuggingolli***), with the bulk of the activity being between Lurker, Mograppler, myself and Bloodmoon (in that order). Of the inactives, AudioTsunami is the only one who confirmed in-topic. I'm chalking the lack of activity up to the holiday ATM, so hopefully we start seeing more activity tonight/tomorrow from the 4 who haven't contributed yet. And rolling a die to vote doesn't do any more good than a no-lynch - OMGUS is slightly better than that, but only slightly.
@KingTorg: Welcome to the party, Torg. That said, jumping on the Sunray wagon like you did concerns me a bit, as does the lack of any actual contribution to the ongoing discussions. Any thoughts on... well, anyone?
I mean, it's page 1; nothing's even remotely certain thus far. They're both being scummy, but trying to be specific about who's more scummy than the other with this little evidence is a futile task.
page 1 tho
Aww, that seemed like such an obviously scummy play that I was hoping to leave him alone and give him some rope to make more mistakes like that. Figured that, if we built up another wagon and he immediately jumped to that one too, then I'd pounce. Oh well.
Vote: MysticSunray
MysticSunray From the past games I have read the logic of doing a no lynch on day one is almost always bad news for town. It's essentially giving scum a free shot without taking a shot at them.
KingTorg Can we get some more of something from you on your current feelings on anyone else out here? I only gathered from your post that you have your vote in and that, well, you might not be fond of mentors.
EternalLurker I would like to know as well what you are feeling from those that have posted.
As for me, the only two people who I have had somewhat interactions with right now are both BlueEclipse and Mograppler. I'm worried about the possibility of being tricked by BlueEclipse due to my lack of knowledge. However I do think it's more him trying to help and less of a scum tell. It just didnt feel scummy to me, but I could be wrong. Mograppler I'm not sure about because it feels like he is trying redirect a little here from heat on his fire.
As a true WUBRG dopeboi, I have no alignment to any of the shards, and therefore no alignment with any of you.
I will reserve my vote until I have more information.
Vote: EternalLurker
@Bloodmoon0324: I agree. We should give other players some more time to decide their votes. In my opinions, lurkers are scum, but not as scum as people who do not understand the wisdom and truth that is Uril.
I don't wanna move my vote off of MysticSunray at the moment. Anyone else available to vote this WUBRG scum back into the Maelstrom from whence it came?
bloodmoonthe reason I said he was the most scummy was because the first thing he did was vote for someone who hadn't said anything yet. Very little to go off of except for gut.
EternalLurker I really think he's Town Vanilla. I think if he had a role he would be a lot quieter, he is throwing out lots of accusations trying to get people to talk which I think is a good thing. Tho he is also a loose cannon so my read could be way off. I tenitively trust him.
blueseclipse like I said earlier, I think you are just being helpful. I think you're town too.
mysticsunray I really hope he was kidding about dice rolls. He is on my watch list tho, but who isn't at this point. It's way too early to know anything. Just have feelings.
I don't have a read on anyone else yet, which is why I have held off my vote thus far. I forgot how hard this game is, escecially when you don't know anyone.
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