@EternalLurker: It is early, so having more of a scumlean on one person than another admittedly doesn't say much - but most of the reason I've got more of a scumlean on Mog than Sunray is simply due to Mog having posted more (and nearly all of it being about the no-lynch idea).
@Bloodmoon0324: I do agree with you at the moment that it's too early to really try and peg anyone as town/scum - the only people I've even got leans on ATM are you, Lurker and Mog, as you're the only ones who've given me enough data to form an opinion on. That said, definitely look over my own posts with a fine-toothed comb if you like. I can tell you all day that I'm not trying to trick you, and that I'm town, but you have to decide for yourself whether you want to believe it. (I don't know if the mentors are actually helping you with reads or anything, but if they are then I'd advise getting their input if you think you're missing something in that regard.)
@fuggingolli***: You do realize that your post is effectively claiming yourself as a Neutral, right? ...Actually, I wonder if that's even possible. I wouldn't expect Neutral roles in a basic setup like this, but we can find out later on. That said, even if you're not willing to commit to a vote yet, do you have any opinions thus far on anyone?
@Folza: Same question to you - do you have any real opinions thus far on anyone? Or is that vote on Lurker just retaliatory for his earlier vote on you?
@Mograppler: The no-lynch itself isn't what's making you look scummy - it's that you were continuing to cling to the idea even after it was pointed out that it's just a poor choice due to numbers alone (it's essentially giving town 1 less shot at catching scum). You're right that at this stage of the game, we have little information to go on, but if we all just opt to do nothing, we aren't going to get that information (for any investigative power roles that may be present, it's more likely that they'd investigate townies than scum at this point, so even then we need the reads to help narrow the possible targets for that) - so putting votes out there helps both by putting pressure on those people to give more information that we can use to read them, and by bringing reactions from others that we can use to read them. Thank you for providing a bit more insight on your own reads, though.
Re: Lurker - If he were a power role, I could see him sparking discussion specifically to try and get reads to narrow down possible targets for whatever he would be able to do. Town roles would want to see who looks particularly scummy, while scum roles would want to try and draw out info that might indicate a town power role that they can target on the NK.
Re: Bloodmoon - Honestly, him voting for Torg doesn't say much when we're still largely in RVS. But read it as you will, I suppose.
Re: Sunray - I'm pretty sure it was a joke, since he went more for the OMGUS vote on Lurker.
Re: Lurker - If he were a power role, I could see him sparking discussion specifically to try and get reads to narrow down possible targets for whatever he would be able to do.
EternalLurker I really think he's Town Vanilla. I think if he had a role he would be a lot quieter, he is throwing out lots of accusations trying to get people to talk which I think is a good thing. Tho he is also a loose cannon so my read could be way off. I tenitively trust him.
Regarding this speculation on my role...I'm not claiming anything, but since this is a newbie game I guess I'll offer some input on what -- from an outsider's perspective -- I would consider my actions to imply. Yes, it's true that a noisy person attracts attention, but the sort of attention varies depending on a few factors. Here's the basic breakdown.
1) I'm Town and my noisiness is scaring the Mafia. In this case, they'll possibly want to kill me, so it's true that an investigative Townie role wouldn't want to be in this position on day one, before having a chance to use investigative abilities.
2) I'm Town but my noisiness is all on the wrong targets, so the Mafia doesn't care. In this case, there's actually a chance that I'll get lynched for noisy misreads, in which case a Vanilla Townie wouldn't act like this cuz there's nothing he can role-claim to save himself from a mislynch.
3) I'm Mafia. Then I know I won't die at night, and, though I still have to worry about mislynches, the chance is a lil' lower cuz of the fact that my scum-buddy's not gonna be bussing me on day one.
So, if you're reading me as Town like you say, then it's option 1 or 2, in which case the most likely read on me would be as a non-investigative non-vanilla role who's not particularly worried about being night-killed.
@Mograppler: RVS stands for 'Random Voting Stage' - essentially, the early part of the game where there's no solid info and votes are thrown out just to try and spark discussion. OMGUS stands for 'OMG You Suck', and generally refers to a vote made in response to someone voting you up, generally for no other reason than that person voting you up.
@BlueEclipse & EternalLurkerMy Sunray vote was just RVS. My reasoning behind it was:
a) I wanted to be funny. (I have a mentor as well)
b) Sunray was the only active player with a mentor.
I don't really care about the dice rolling comment, it just seems like a natural instinct a new player would have. I'm having a bit of trouble getting reads on people right now (don't have much time, on vacation for the Fourth) but right now I'm getting scum reads on Eclipse and oil***.
Eclipse just feels like he's trying to peg pretty much everyone down as scum, which seems pretty scummy to me. (Correct me If I'm wrong, I'm pretty new to Mafia.)
fugginolli*** seems like he's lurking too much. I understand being unplugged for a few days, but confirming and not posting, and then posting again without making any opinions also seems a bit scummy. Also, anyone who says "dopeboi" deserves to die. Vote: fugginolli*** because of the first reason, not the second.
As for mograppler, I don't think what he's doing is scummy. Calling for no vote IS scummy, but as a new player, it seems completely reasonable to consider doing it.
@EternalLurker In post #61, you said that as a mafia player you might get myslinched. Was that a typo or purposeful?
p.s. How do you quote text? When I try to quote there's just a button that says "post quote" without any place to put text. Do I click that or do something else?
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@BlueEclipse & EternalLurkerMy Sunray vote was just RVS.
I had no problem with your reasoning for the vote. I'm well aware it was RVS. That's the problem. You did exactly what you just accused fugginolli*** of doing:
fugginolli*** seems like he's lurking too much. I understand being unplugged for a few days, but confirming and not posting, and then posting again without making any opinions also seems a bit scummy.
in arriving and having your first post be one devoid of any opinions whatsoever despite the fact that we were already starting to transition away from pure RVS by that point.
@EternalLurker In post #61, you said that as a mafia player you might get myslinched. Was that a typo or purposeful?
Huh? I was giving the three possible options for how I would interpret my own posting from an outside perspective. One possible interpretation is always that the person being observed is Mafia.
p.s. How do you quote text? When I try to quote there's just a button that says "post quote" without any place to put text. Do I click that or do something else?
Clicking the "Quote" or "Multi-Quote" buttons at the bottom right of people's posts generally makes for the most convenient method.
To clarify: while it's fine to drag out RVS a little longer in that context, doing so against someone who's already posted and had votes on him is not fruitful. A Townie in that situation either contributes useful opinions or drags out RVS by voting on someone who hasn't yet posted anything meaningful, in order to drag lurkers into the conversation.
currently suspicous of:
Folza, but honestly I have no idea why. He has stuck out to me. From what I can remember, he hasn't said much, but just enough to stay relevant
Fug, could be because he is new, but is staying back waiting for others to draw the attention, and I'm curious to see how he votes, if he will jump on bandwagons, or take the initiative.
Bloodmoon is on the lower tier of my radar now. I think he has contributed well.
@BluesEclipse: Mograppler is scummy because he's trying way too hard to seem like this nice guy who doesn't wanna lynch anyone. Tactical No-Lynch is fine; No-Lynch because "oh that's so mean, how dare the mod do this to us" is not.
Can you explain further what you mean with "oh that's so mean, how dare the mod do this to us"? Perhaps you can add a quote. Thank you.
I'm perfectly willing to explain the reasoning behind every statement I make (that's what Mafia is all about), but when I'm referencing a particular poster's most recent action, you really should help me out by at least glancing at that user's most recent post. It's pretty clear what I was referencing there.
@nagobcnik: my read on him is based on what I have seen of him so far. I obviously don't know what kind of player he is, but only based on what I've seen from my 2 other games that I have played. As for the other question, I don't think it affects the town in a positive or negative way. This is the discovery phase, so I think any communication is good. So I guess it would be good for the town, just in that it gets people talking.
@KingTorg: I'm working to develop my reads at the moment - to be perfectly honest, I only have a very light scumread on Mog at present, and a light townread on Lurker. Everyone else I have firmly at neutral pending more information. The concerns I'm pointing out regarding various people's posts are specifically to prod for more information so that I can develop a more firm read.
@Mograppler: Folza's on my radar for the exact same reason as you - he hasn't said much in the posts he's made. Olli*** seems to be more in lurk mode as well, but isn't even trying to pretend he's contributing anything at present.
@nagobcnik: While he initially suggested it in post #13, and again on post #17, he's still trying to justify it on post #35 (I'm not considering his mod-lynch vote as part of this particular discussion), and post #37 still seems (to me at least) to be trying to push the no-lynch angle a bit where he still comments he doesn't know if lynching d1 with more vanillas likely to be active is better than no-lynch. #55 is his first post that actually included discussion of anyone rather than discussion of the no-lynch idea. At present, he seems to have let the idea go, but is still hesitant to commit to a vote on someone - he may be more comfortable in a more passive analyzing position (letting other people direct the conversation and prod people for reactions), or he may be waiting for a wagon to start. Reading his most recent posts, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the first option, though this could change pending further information. For now, though...
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Also, for anyone interested, AudioTsunami's last activity on the forums was when he confirmed 4 days ago. Sandmummy's last activity was on June 26th, when he signed up, while JulsSkogs was last active 3 hours ago. No sign of him doing anything here, though - I think he'd be better as a contributing member of the town.
BluesEclipse: I know I'm probably digging myself a hole here, but if people keep pointing at something, I'm going to try and explain it. That's why I kept talking about it, because you guys kept talking about it and I was trying to explain my reasoning for doing so. This game has a very different vibe from what I had played before. We played a day in less than a week usually.
Sounds like sandmummy ditched us and Audio I hope is just busy. As for julskogs, that is suspicious AF! Interested to see what he does.
@Mograppler, thanks for your response. I disagree with you. Presuming your information is correct, sharing it would be bad for the town. I believe it is better to limit ourselves to allignment when doing a roster run rather than predicting wether a player has a power role or not.
@BluesEclipse, thank you for your explanation. I can't say I agree with you, but I see your point. I feel Mograppler suggested something that felt like normal course of action, and wanted to understand why his position is wrong. I do not read his comments as agenda pushing. I believe inexperience is more likely than mafia member fighting windmills on page 1. This does not mean necessarily that he is not an inexperienced mafia player, but it could mean he is an inexperienced town player too.
Now, though your vote for a non-active (supposedly lurking) player instead of voting for your only light scumread (Mog) is... interesting, I can write it down as trying to force players to play. I'll give you that.
But your post is still disappointing.
If Mograppler had simply suggested the no-lynch and left it at that, I would have passed it off as normal. However, he seemed to be pressing for it far harder than necessary initially. Could it be inexperience? Yes, though he's mentioned he has experience with Mafia games from other sites. Could it be a scumtell? Possibly. But at the same time, the unvote comes because at this point, I believe I've gotten all the information I can from having my vote on him at the moment. It doesn't mean my vote won't shift back to him, but it doesn't necessarily mean it will, either. I moved the vote to JulsSkogs specifically because he has been active on the forums, but hasn't posted anything - and I'm curious as to why that is.
I only have a very light scumread on Mog at present, and a light townread on Lurker.
@Mograppler: Folza's on my radar for the exact same reason as you - he hasn't said much in the posts he's made. Olli*** seems to be more in lurk mode as well, but isn't even trying to pretend he's contributing anything at present.
This is inconsistent.
1) You claim you only have a light scum feel on Mog, a light town feel on Lurker, and neutral on others. Yet Folza is also on your radar?
2) Folza is on your radar for the same reason Mog is. He hasn't said much in his posts. But isn't Mog on your radar because he DID say much in his posts, i.e. pushed a no-lynch?
Please explain.
Folza's on my radar - the posts he has made (and their lack of content) mean I'm going to be very careful with trying to evaluate anything he does post. But I don't have enough info on him to have an actual lean either way yet. However, I did make a slight error in how I worded the reply there - it was meant to say that Folza's on my radar for the same reason that he's on Mog's radar. Not that my reasons for looking at Mog and Folza are the same, but rather that Mog and I are in agreement that Folza is worth looking at more closely as things progress.
I certainly can understand where you are coming from BlueEclipse. It is in my experience that everyone is both guilty and innocent on day 1, and that I try to be objective through analyzing the tone and flow of conversation between all participants. Some call it lurking, some call it scummy. Myself, I call it "shrouded in mist." I will walk the path I must take once it is time.
@KingTorg: like Lurker said, you are voting for someone for doing exactly what you yourself did. Seems only right that you have a vote on yourself too!
Vote: King Torg
While you are thinking of a way to explain your vote without looking scummy, take a moment to answer one more question. You threw a little bit of dirt Lurker's way with:
@EternalLurker In post #61, you said that as a mafia player you might get myslinched. Was that a typo or purposeful?
What do you think EL was trying to achieve with that post? Were there more options than just the three he presented?
I think that what I did was very different from olli. While my first vote was "devoid of any opinions," it still served it's purpose in pushing along the game and putting myself out into the field. This is completely different from saying: "I'm not going to make any accusations right now because it might make people notice me and think I'm scum." I'll admit was dumb when I said "confirming and not posting" (of course he wouldn't post, the game hasn't started yet!) but that doesn't reduce the fact that he is lurking.
In post #61, I was just confused by the wording. Isn't killing villagers considered a myslynch, and killing a mafia member a 'good' lynch?
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To clarify: while it's fine to drag out RVS a little longer in that context, doing so against someone who's already posted and had votes on him is not fruitful. A Townie in that situation either contributes useful opinions or drags out RVS by voting on someone who hasn't yet posted anything meaningful, in order to drag lurkers into the conversation.
I think that RVS against active players is much more productive in the first day or two of the game. If I had used my vote against Jules or Tsunami, I wouldn't get much. One mostly random vote on someone isn't enough to pull them into the conversation. As is, however, I was able to spark a large discussion just by voting for an active player.
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@fug:you have been very quiet. I want to hear more of what you have to say. Are you claiming to be a 3rd party? Do you have any reads yet from your lurking?(I didn't join magic until innestrad so my knowledge of older stuff is lacking, so idk if that was just a joke.)
Sorry for my absence all day yesterday guys. My computer decided to take a crap on me so we had to wipe the whole thing, on top of picking up my kids two hours away. Posting on my phone like this is horrible, so as soon as my computer finishes it's updates I'll catch up and post a real post
Like others in the thread, I'm concerned with the lurkers. Seeing as how this is either a lot of our first games ever, or first one in a while I was hoping we would get a game where everyone contributed and didn't lurk. I do understand that that happens to be what some people make their style or meta (I'm slowly getting there with new terms) but I guess we were all hoping for none.
Folza When you say that we are all both guilty and innocent, what do you mean? I am trying to translate it without jumping to the wrong conclusion. I read it as everyone can do both town like things and scum like things on day one. Am I understanding this the right way?
Something I was in the middle of asking when my computer went down yesterday, how do you check when someone last checked into mtg?
That question being asked, actively lurking here in the thread is something that seems like we should be more concerned about. How can we know that you are town if you are here and you are not talking to us? We can't form an opinion on someone who isn't here posting at all as that is hard, but posting filler and not really contributing is worse for trying to separate good from bad. I'm beginning to wonder if the few who haven't posted might be replacing out. I know there is a time limit before they get poked and then if they don't post they get replaced. This is probably why we should be looking more at people who are here rather than one's who aren't.
Oh and just so that we sorta have pronouns correct, I am a she.
@Folza: While I can understand wanting to remain objective, you're also giving us very little to work with yourself - while you're appearing to be somewhat active, you've provided pretty much no useful content in your own posts. It can suggest that you're trying to hide something.
@Bloodmoon0324: Pronoun noted, and I am sorry to hear about your computer. I hope you were able to recover anything important! As for how to check when someone was last active, select their name (to the left of a post) and select View User Profile. It'll show when they were last active (as in last logged in and browsing), what their most recent posts were, etc. (For example, JulsSkogs actually posted in another topic since I put my vote on him, and as of this post was active 6 hours ago on the forums, yet has not been seen nor heard from here.) And I agree that it's worth looking at those who are actively lurking - I'm not as concerned with Sandmummy or AudioTsunami specifically because they haven't been active on MTGS at all. Skogs is clearly present on the forums, but hasn't been interacting at all - it could mean any number of things, but the first impression I get is of scum who is hesitant to post at all for fear of drawing attention.
@Mograppler: If you look at Child of Alara, the flavor text should suffice to explain the context of olli***'s "claim". Whether it was a joke, or he's legitimately trying to claim some sort of neutral role, I'm not 100% certain - and if he's claiming a neutral role, I'm not entirely certain what it would mean. (A neutral role such as a survivor may choose to truthfully claim early to show themselves as a threat to neither side, scum might try to claim neutral if we don't have confirmation of whether neutrals exist to try and mislead town, or town could claim a neutral role to try and avoid NKs.) But it would be good to know for certain whether it was a serious claim or not.
@Wheat_Grinder: As it's been more than 3 IRL days since the game officially started, I'm assuming that you have or will shortly be prodding our non-present players (Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, and JulsSkogs)? Also, just to see where we stand for now, can we get a votecount? Thanks.
I will seek out prods tomorrow after work. If your vote was not counted, either re-vote or wait for me to go through and validate (also happening tomorrow).
No point focusing everything on the active players. Then the lurkers will find it easier to hide even when they do start posting. I'm waiting until Tsunami and Skogs get involved.
Gosh. Theres just nothing left to do untill more people show up. I kinda just want to randomly accuse someone of something, but I don't have anything to randomly accuse someone of.
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About the only thing I can even think of accusing anyone of is EternalLurker of being awesome for a good laugh for post 56, but it's not even an accusation. It was funny. We really do need others to either show up or replace out.
MOLEGRAPPLER! YOUR'E OBVIOUSLY SCUM! Don't try to deny it because I have undisputable evidence that you don't even know exists yet! You should just confess now and get it over with.
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VALIDATED votecount! The automated votecount missed Torg's vote on fuggingolli*** (due to a typo which I can correct as a synonym) but otherwise seemed correct.
@JulsSkogs: I hope, and expect, that you're going to be posting something else today that is relevant to the game (as that post is not relevant at all, and appears to be there simply to dodge a prod). Right now, the fact that you have been active on the forums and went out of your way to advise Wheat that you would be posting before he prodded you tells me that you've been at least aware of the topic to know that you needed to post. Yet you haven't, and when you finally do post, it's one line that isn't even related to any actual discussion of anything. You need to give us something here if you want us to be able to make any real decision about you.
I was busy with real life things and travelling and had forgotten about this, and by the time I got home last night, exhausted, in the wee hours of the morning I figured it was best for me to at least chime in and become active rather than nothing.
at top right (just next to the thread title), "Tools" -> "Subscribe"
It's also rather impressive that you've now made three posts and still managed to avoid giving even a single opinion on what's happened over the last two pages.
I've done the subscribe thing multiple times now, just doesn't seem to want to "stick" for some reason :/
And yeah, as someone who's literal only experience with this game has been this thread, I'm trying to just get to grips with everything, it's a fairly overwhelming experience honestly. So sorry for not meeting your expectations, but damn do I feel persecuted for being new and having things to do that warrant my attention more than a forum game.
If processing the thread is overwhelming, you're probably trying too hard to scour every post for clues like a murder mystery. There's a time and place for that, but at the moment we just want your initial feelings on what's going on. Just read through and say what comes to mind about how people are acting. If the answer is "nothing", that's...not great, but we'd still much prefer that to not commenting on anything at all.
Your sig says you play America Control in Modern; the decision trees for this game can't hold a candle to that!
Here, let's focus your read with a question. When you read through the thread, who seems the most likely to be Town rather than Mafia, and why is it EternalLurker?
@jugsand don't take anything in this personally. It is a game, so people want to see how you react. I don't think Eternal actually wants you to make the game more important than real life.
@JulsSkogs: I understand that real life is a thing - and I don't expect you to prioritize this over life. As a note, if something comes up where you may not be able to post for a day or two, it's customary to post 'V/LA' so that the players (and the mod) are aware not to expect anything from you. (As this is more of a newbie game, that probably should've been noted in the rules for reference, now that I think about it.) In the absence of that, though, all we can do is speculate based on what each player says and does. For the players who are here, we've already done a significant amount of dissecting their possible motives and leanings. For the inactives, I've made it a point to analyze what other forum activity they've had, to try and separate out people who were on the forums and just not sharing thoughts (for whatever reason) from those who have not been present at all (and as such are more likely to be replaced). You came into my crosshairs because of the fact that you were active on the forums, but did not even make it known that you were in the game, and moreso because you pre-emptively contacted Wheat with an indication that you'd be posting, but what you actually posted may as well not have been anything more than a late /confirm. As my prior post mentioned, I'm hopeful that you'll find the time to provide us with something of relevance - whether it's information, or simply making us aware that you've still got some RL stuff to deal with and we should turn our accusing stares elsewhere for the time being.
Sadly, I can't offer any tips regarding the subscribe feature not working - I just leave the page on an open browser tab even when I'm not at my computer. (And if I'm at work, I'm periodically checking in because working in a call center slowly crushes your soul into a fine powder and I need something to alleviate that...)
@EternalLurker: What makes you think you're more townie than, say, Bloodmoon? (Not saying you aren't, just wondering why you think that should be obvious.)
@BluesEclipse: Folza and MysticSunray are voting for me. Do you really need any more proof than that? When the scummiest people in the thread are on your wagon, you know you're doing something right.
Anyway, we're 5 IRL days into day 1. That being said, here's where I stand on people thus far. Take from it what you will, and I'm willing to answer any questions regarding where I have each person and how I came to that opinion.
EternalLurker - Town Read Nagobcnik - Town Read Bloodmoon0324 - Town Lean King Torg - Weak Town Lean Sandmummy - Neutral AudioTsunami - Neutral Mograppler - Scum Lean fuggingolli*** - Scum Lean Folza - Strong Scum Lean MysticSunray - Strong Scum Lean JulsSkogs - Strong Scum Lean
Sorry, I was away for a couple days, my parents were visiting. I come back and there is a lot to process.
It seems my first comment ruffled some feathers, so let me clarify. I was speaking in character, I thought this was a role-playing game, but it has pretty much just become a bunch of speculation and it seems that people are being scrutinized for how active they are instead of what they are doing in character (so far, EL is the only other person to post in character).
Anyway, right now I have a tentative vote for nagobcnik, as they seem to be a bit of an antagonist.
I hope that in the later stages of this game there is more role-playing. We were all given characters, we should be using them.
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@Bloodmoon0324: I do agree with you at the moment that it's too early to really try and peg anyone as town/scum - the only people I've even got leans on ATM are you, Lurker and Mog, as you're the only ones who've given me enough data to form an opinion on. That said, definitely look over my own posts with a fine-toothed comb if you like. I can tell you all day that I'm not trying to trick you, and that I'm town, but you have to decide for yourself whether you want to believe it. (I don't know if the mentors are actually helping you with reads or anything, but if they are then I'd advise getting their input if you think you're missing something in that regard.)
@fuggingolli***: You do realize that your post is effectively claiming yourself as a Neutral, right? ...Actually, I wonder if that's even possible. I wouldn't expect Neutral roles in a basic setup like this, but we can find out later on. That said, even if you're not willing to commit to a vote yet, do you have any opinions thus far on anyone?
@Folza: Same question to you - do you have any real opinions thus far on anyone? Or is that vote on Lurker just retaliatory for his earlier vote on you?
@Mograppler: The no-lynch itself isn't what's making you look scummy - it's that you were continuing to cling to the idea even after it was pointed out that it's just a poor choice due to numbers alone (it's essentially giving town 1 less shot at catching scum). You're right that at this stage of the game, we have little information to go on, but if we all just opt to do nothing, we aren't going to get that information (for any investigative power roles that may be present, it's more likely that they'd investigate townies than scum at this point, so even then we need the reads to help narrow the possible targets for that) - so putting votes out there helps both by putting pressure on those people to give more information that we can use to read them, and by bringing reactions from others that we can use to read them. Thank you for providing a bit more insight on your own reads, though.
Re: Lurker - If he were a power role, I could see him sparking discussion specifically to try and get reads to narrow down possible targets for whatever he would be able to do. Town roles would want to see who looks particularly scummy, while scum roles would want to try and draw out info that might indicate a town power role that they can target on the NK.
Re: Bloodmoon - Honestly, him voting for Torg doesn't say much when we're still largely in RVS. But read it as you will, I suppose.
Re: Sunray - I'm pretty sure it was a joke, since he went more for the OMGUS vote on Lurker.
Regarding this speculation on my role...I'm not claiming anything, but since this is a newbie game I guess I'll offer some input on what -- from an outsider's perspective -- I would consider my actions to imply. Yes, it's true that a noisy person attracts attention, but the sort of attention varies depending on a few factors. Here's the basic breakdown.
1) I'm Town and my noisiness is scaring the Mafia. In this case, they'll possibly want to kill me, so it's true that an investigative Townie role wouldn't want to be in this position on day one, before having a chance to use investigative abilities.
2) I'm Town but my noisiness is all on the wrong targets, so the Mafia doesn't care. In this case, there's actually a chance that I'll get lynched for noisy misreads, in which case a Vanilla Townie wouldn't act like this cuz there's nothing he can role-claim to save himself from a mislynch.
3) I'm Mafia. Then I know I won't die at night, and, though I still have to worry about mislynches, the chance is a lil' lower cuz of the fact that my scum-buddy's not gonna be bussing me on day one.
So, if you're reading me as Town like you say, then it's option 1 or 2, in which case the most likely read on me would be as a non-investigative non-vanilla role who's not particularly worried about being night-killed.
Like, say, a Town Bulletproof.
just food for thought
Oh My God You Suck (when someone's only reasoning for a vote is retaliation for being voted)
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a) I wanted to be funny. (I have a mentor as well)
b) Sunray was the only active player with a mentor.
I don't really care about the dice rolling comment, it just seems like a natural instinct a new player would have. I'm having a bit of trouble getting reads on people right now (don't have much time, on vacation for the Fourth) but right now I'm getting scum reads on Eclipse and oil***.
Eclipse just feels like he's trying to peg pretty much everyone down as scum, which seems pretty scummy to me. (Correct me If I'm wrong, I'm pretty new to Mafia.)
fugginolli*** seems like he's lurking too much. I understand being unplugged for a few days, but confirming and not posting, and then posting again without making any opinions also seems a bit scummy. Also, anyone who says "dopeboi" deserves to die.
Vote: fugginolli*** because of the first reason, not the second.
As for mograppler, I don't think what he's doing is scummy. Calling for no vote IS scummy, but as a new player, it seems completely reasonable to consider doing it.
@EternalLurker In post #61, you said that as a mafia player you might get myslinched. Was that a typo or purposeful?
p.s. How do you quote text? When I try to quote there's just a button that says "post quote" without any place to put text. Do I click that or do something else?
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
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Huh? I was giving the three possible options for how I would interpret my own posting from an outside perspective. One possible interpretation is always that the person being observed is Mafia.
Clicking the "Quote" or "Multi-Quote" buttons at the bottom right of people's posts generally makes for the most convenient method.
Folza, but honestly I have no idea why. He has stuck out to me. From what I can remember, he hasn't said much, but just enough to stay relevant
Fug, could be because he is new, but is staying back waiting for others to draw the attention, and I'm curious to see how he votes, if he will jump on bandwagons, or take the initiative.
Bloodmoon is on the lower tier of my radar now. I think he has contributed well.
Now we just need the absent people to show up.
@Mograppler: Folza's on my radar for the exact same reason as you - he hasn't said much in the posts he's made. Olli*** seems to be more in lurk mode as well, but isn't even trying to pretend he's contributing anything at present.
@nagobcnik: While he initially suggested it in post #13, and again on post #17, he's still trying to justify it on post #35 (I'm not considering his mod-lynch vote as part of this particular discussion), and post #37 still seems (to me at least) to be trying to push the no-lynch angle a bit where he still comments he doesn't know if lynching d1 with more vanillas likely to be active is better than no-lynch. #55 is his first post that actually included discussion of anyone rather than discussion of the no-lynch idea. At present, he seems to have let the idea go, but is still hesitant to commit to a vote on someone - he may be more comfortable in a more passive analyzing position (letting other people direct the conversation and prod people for reactions), or he may be waiting for a wagon to start. Reading his most recent posts, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the first option, though this could change pending further information. For now, though...
Unvote
Also, for anyone interested, AudioTsunami's last activity on the forums was when he confirmed 4 days ago. Sandmummy's last activity was on June 26th, when he signed up, while JulsSkogs was last active 3 hours ago. No sign of him doing anything here, though - I think he'd be better as a contributing member of the town.
Vote: JulsSkogs
Sounds like sandmummy ditched us and Audio I hope is just busy. As for julskogs, that is suspicious AF! Interested to see what he does.
If Mograppler had simply suggested the no-lynch and left it at that, I would have passed it off as normal. However, he seemed to be pressing for it far harder than necessary initially. Could it be inexperience? Yes, though he's mentioned he has experience with Mafia games from other sites. Could it be a scumtell? Possibly. But at the same time, the unvote comes because at this point, I believe I've gotten all the information I can from having my vote on him at the moment. It doesn't mean my vote won't shift back to him, but it doesn't necessarily mean it will, either. I moved the vote to JulsSkogs specifically because he has been active on the forums, but hasn't posted anything - and I'm curious as to why that is.
Folza's on my radar - the posts he has made (and their lack of content) mean I'm going to be very careful with trying to evaluate anything he does post. But I don't have enough info on him to have an actual lean either way yet. However, I did make a slight error in how I worded the reply there - it was meant to say that Folza's on my radar for the same reason that he's on Mog's radar. Not that my reasons for looking at Mog and Folza are the same, but rather that Mog and I are in agreement that Folza is worth looking at more closely as things progress.
I think that what I did was very different from olli. While my first vote was "devoid of any opinions," it still served it's purpose in pushing along the game and putting myself out into the field. This is completely different from saying: "I'm not going to make any accusations right now because it might make people notice me and think I'm scum." I'll admit was dumb when I said "confirming and not posting" (of course he wouldn't post, the game hasn't started yet!) but that doesn't reduce the fact that he is lurking.
In post #61, I was just confused by the wording. Isn't killing villagers considered a myslynch, and killing a mafia member a 'good' lynch?
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
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I think that RVS against active players is much more productive in the first day or two of the game. If I had used my vote against Jules or Tsunami, I wouldn't get much. One mostly random vote on someone isn't enough to pull them into the conversation. As is, however, I was able to spark a large discussion just by voting for an active player.
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
Folza When you say that we are all both guilty and innocent, what do you mean? I am trying to translate it without jumping to the wrong conclusion. I read it as everyone can do both town like things and scum like things on day one. Am I understanding this the right way?
Something I was in the middle of asking when my computer went down yesterday, how do you check when someone last checked into mtg?
That question being asked, actively lurking here in the thread is something that seems like we should be more concerned about. How can we know that you are town if you are here and you are not talking to us? We can't form an opinion on someone who isn't here posting at all as that is hard, but posting filler and not really contributing is worse for trying to separate good from bad. I'm beginning to wonder if the few who haven't posted might be replacing out. I know there is a time limit before they get poked and then if they don't post they get replaced. This is probably why we should be looking more at people who are here rather than one's who aren't.
Oh and just so that we sorta have pronouns correct, I am a she.
@Bloodmoon0324: Pronoun noted, and I am sorry to hear about your computer. I hope you were able to recover anything important! As for how to check when someone was last active, select their name (to the left of a post) and select View User Profile. It'll show when they were last active (as in last logged in and browsing), what their most recent posts were, etc. (For example, JulsSkogs actually posted in another topic since I put my vote on him, and as of this post was active 6 hours ago on the forums, yet has not been seen nor heard from here.) And I agree that it's worth looking at those who are actively lurking - I'm not as concerned with Sandmummy or AudioTsunami specifically because they haven't been active on MTGS at all. Skogs is clearly present on the forums, but hasn't been interacting at all - it could mean any number of things, but the first impression I get is of scum who is hesitant to post at all for fear of drawing attention.
@Mograppler: If you look at Child of Alara, the flavor text should suffice to explain the context of olli***'s "claim". Whether it was a joke, or he's legitimately trying to claim some sort of neutral role, I'm not 100% certain - and if he's claiming a neutral role, I'm not entirely certain what it would mean. (A neutral role such as a survivor may choose to truthfully claim early to show themselves as a threat to neither side, scum might try to claim neutral if we don't have confirmation of whether neutrals exist to try and mislead town, or town could claim a neutral role to try and avoid NKs.) But it would be good to know for certain whether it was a serious claim or not.
@Wheat_Grinder: As it's been more than 3 IRL days since the game officially started, I'm assuming that you have or will shortly be prodding our non-present players (Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, and JulsSkogs)? Also, just to see where we stand for now, can we get a votecount? Thanks.
"Or Alara anyway"
Votecount!
EternalLurker - 2 (MysticSunray, Folza)
JulsSkogs - 1 (BluesEclipse)
King Torg - 2 (Bloodmoon0324, nagobcnik)
MysticSunray - 2 (King Torg, EternalLurker)
Not Voting - 5 (JulsSkogs, Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, fuggingolli***, Mograppler)
I will seek out prods tomorrow after work. If your vote was not counted, either re-vote or wait for me to go through and validate (also happening tomorrow).
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
-Barney Stinson
"Hodor"
-Hodor
Sandmummy
AudioTsunami
fuggingolli***
MysticSunray
JulsSkogs has responded by PM with intent to post soon so he will not be prodded.
EternalLurker - 2 (MysticSunray, Folza)
JulsSkogs - 1 (BluesEclipse)
King Torg - 2 (Bloodmoon0324, nagobcnik)
MysticSunray - 1 (EternalLurker)
fuggingolli*** - 1 (King Torg)
Not Voting - 5 (JulsSkogs, Sandmummy, AudioTsunami, fuggingolli***, Mograppler)
I would like to see more activity overall if possible, or I may shorten the deadline. Don't make me shorten the deadline.
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It's also rather impressive that you've now made three posts and still managed to avoid giving even a single opinion on what's happened over the last two pages.
And yeah, as someone who's literal only experience with this game has been this thread, I'm trying to just get to grips with everything, it's a fairly overwhelming experience honestly. So sorry for not meeting your expectations, but damn do I feel persecuted for being new and having things to do that warrant my attention more than a forum game.
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If processing the thread is overwhelming, you're probably trying too hard to scour every post for clues like a murder mystery. There's a time and place for that, but at the moment we just want your initial feelings on what's going on. Just read through and say what comes to mind about how people are acting. If the answer is "nothing", that's...not great, but we'd still much prefer that to not commenting on anything at all.
Your sig says you play America Control in Modern; the decision trees for this game can't hold a candle to that!
Here, let's focus your read with a question. When you read through the thread, who seems the most likely to be Town rather than Mafia, and why is it EternalLurker?
Sadly, I can't offer any tips regarding the subscribe feature not working - I just leave the page on an open browser tab even when I'm not at my computer. (And if I'm at work, I'm periodically checking in because working in a call center slowly crushes your soul into a fine powder and I need something to alleviate that...)
@EternalLurker: What makes you think you're more townie than, say, Bloodmoon? (Not saying you aren't, just wondering why you think that should be obvious.)
Anyway, we're 5 IRL days into day 1. That being said, here's where I stand on people thus far. Take from it what you will, and I'm willing to answer any questions regarding where I have each person and how I came to that opinion.
EternalLurker - Town Read
Nagobcnik - Town Read
Bloodmoon0324 - Town Lean
King Torg - Weak Town Lean
Sandmummy - Neutral
AudioTsunami - Neutral
Mograppler - Scum Lean
fuggingolli*** - Scum Lean
Folza - Strong Scum Lean
MysticSunray - Strong Scum Lean
JulsSkogs - Strong Scum Lean
yes, yes, I know you weren't actually calling me scum. or were you and just trying to cover it up, the classic double agent move
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Quick to jump on the scum bandwagon, clearly a cover
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It seems my first comment ruffled some feathers, so let me clarify. I was speaking in character, I thought this was a role-playing game, but it has pretty much just become a bunch of speculation and it seems that people are being scrutinized for how active they are instead of what they are doing in character (so far, EL is the only other person to post in character).
Anyway, right now I have a tentative vote for nagobcnik, as they seem to be a bit of an antagonist.
I hope that in the later stages of this game there is more role-playing. We were all given characters, we should be using them.