KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm not gonna argue with this anyway. You are throwing a scum narrative on my voting habits and it's a little annoying tbh. You are basing it off of one game i had with you.
No. I am basing this off having seen many scum do it. This is not a thing I'm making up just for you. If I recall correctly, first time I saw it used as a tell was Nacho catching me for it in a mash.
[quote=Me]-I'm not disregarding Tubba's play, I'm saying that you're reaching for conclusions that shouldn't be made solely on his play, and in my opinion,
..."shouldn't be made at all."
Apparently I moved on to my next thought before I finished typing this one. That's how that sentence should end.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I can't say with confidence that I think LnGrrrR is scum. I didn't read in depth but I scrolled through the entirety of their posts. The only thing that stood out was them barely acknowledge Tubba's existence except for weird coaching posts and suddenly they were a top read when Askthepizzaguy was around.
Asked themselves "How many fences can I sit on?" for most of the game until he decided on some mislynches until their buddy was going down in a blaze of glory.
I'm confident about this one.
Sorry about my inactivity lately, our office is going through a lot of rapid changes due to the company I worked for being acquired by a much bigger company and its left me unable to want to focus too long on anything, and my tasks here were re-reads...
I only got two done, but that's good enough for now. I really feel good about this vote.
Asked themselves "How many fences can I sit on?" for most of the game until he decided on some mislynches until their buddy was going down in a blaze of glory.
I'm confident about this one.
Sorry about my inactivity lately, our office is going through a lot of rapid changes due to the company I worked for being acquired by a much bigger company and its left me unable to want to focus too long on anything, and my tasks here were re-reads...
I only got two done, but that's good enough for now. I really feel good about this vote.
Are you sure you read my ISO? Like really, I fencesat until going for some mislynches? I voted for one mislynch, then spent half the game calling KJ scum. Not really fencesitting, and was on one mislynch.
You will look good at the end of this shadow, though it's looking like I will be the lynch just for lack of time.
Where did I once complain about you voting me? I'm pointing out that your logic just doesn't make sense. However close were to a deadline, it was close enough where me hopping into a scummate is just going to make them die and not buy me any towncred. It would be pointless.
Sure you may have been around to vote KJ if I pushed him, but not enough others to actually do anything with it.
As others here can attest, I am very very bad at pushing wagons on people, e.g. the fact that KJ is still around and rather townread. I don't know if you noticed, but I am not voting him at the moment if that's ant insight into what I think of him currently
Are you saying you don't think Killjoy is scum anymore? Who do you think is scum right now? I'm just having a hard time getting past the fact that you can play this game and not try to push anyone's Lynch. Just because you're bad at it doesn't mean that you shouldn't be trying to find scum and push their Lynch... if you are town.
I wasn't as confident as I was about that, so was thinking through it again. Also, have you seen me in other games? Pretty sure Tom or others would tell you that me bring overly passive is pretty much par for the course.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Asked themselves "How many fences can I sit on?" for most of the game until he decided on some mislynches until their buddy was going down in a blaze of glory.
Go look at the vote again. He wasn't gung ho about lynching tubba. It was just what he had to do.
Not really sure why that would be how anyone busses.
Weirdest part about it is if tubby had flipped town I'd be all over anak for distancing himself from his own vote that way. But it doesn't really make sense as a partner interaction
I went and re-skimmed and I must've been on drugs last night becuase I strictly remember seeing way more "I'm not sure/I could go either way" posts than what I found. I'm still suspicious but it's just not as blatant in as it was in my mind before.
I think not being gung-ho about lynching Tubba is the play, so I'm disagreeing with you Tom that it would be a point in his favor. It's the first time a scum died, don't make a big roar about it now. Anaklusmos has been pretty under-the-radar until recently IIRC, willing to be proven wrong here.
@shadowlancerx What do you think about LnGrrrR being virtually interactionless with Tubba until LnGrrrR said 'Tubba is #3' on their scumlist when Tubba Fett got on the chopping block?
Hey guys I'm not dead. Sorry for the inactivity I've been busy with things and stuff
I am willing to lynch either LnGrrR or Rodemy. Preferably Rod but I think Jey actually made a great point about LnGrrR's interactions with Tubba... although I should probably check that myself considering she totally misread Anak's ISO apparently :I
Speaking of, I'm with Shadow here. No way I vote Anak today, as I've made it clear all game I think he's town
Hey guys I'm not dead. Sorry for the inactivity I've been busy with things and stuff
I am willing to lynch either LnGrrR or Rodemy. Preferably Rod but I think Jey actually made a great point about LnGrrR's interactions with Tubba... although I should probably check that myself considering she totally misread Anak's ISO apparently :I
Speaking of, I'm with Shadow here. No way I vote Anak today, as I've made it clear all game I think he's town
Maybe both you and shadow can walk me thought this. Why is Anak town? I don't get it.
Hey guys I'm not dead. Sorry for the inactivity I've been busy with things and stuff
I am willing to lynch either LnGrrR or Rodemy. Preferably Rod but I think Jey actually made a great point about LnGrrR's interactions with Tubba... although I should probably check that myself considering she totally misread Anak's ISO apparently :I
Speaking of, I'm with Shadow here. No way I vote Anak today, as I've made it clear all game I think he's town
Maybe both you and shadow can walk me thought this. Why is Anak town? I don't get it.
@Jey: Yeah, I do find it odd, especially since his previous posts directed at Tubba were just informative, not really looking for his alignment at all.
@Terry: So Anak is always low impact, and the reason I think he's town is he's significantly higher impact than normal, and his thought process doesn't look fake. Like go iso him in Horsemen, it's like 25 posts and he got lynched day one as scum. Then go compare to his iso in Overwatch. That one is a little longer, but he got lynched day 2 (?) as a town watcher, and his play was definitely better in that one than Horsemen.
As far as this game goes, his posts have been thoughtful and there is no hint of him actually knowing people's alignments. He's often lynchbait, and I think that he's probably not scum here.
Regarding the Pizza kill, don't lean on it. It probably means he had one right, but as someone who was on the receiving end of Pizza's furor incorrectly, he can be wrong.
I strongly encourage you to switch your vote to Lingerer, with a day left, we need to get him to claim, and probably to lynch him.
Fine, agree to disagree. Do you find my suspicious?
Yes, and I shouldn't. You are almost always town here and that's partially why this is infuriating.
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I was suspicious of you before, I found a confirmed scum's interactions with you more suspicious. I'm not basing it solely on his play. What part of that is reaching?
The part where Tubba's posts should actually make me look pretty darn good; so you pushing me for them feels really wrong.
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You may do, but you made a very quick knee-jerk response to my post - you posted 4 times with extra comments on other things meaning clearly my post inflamed you into immediate action. I also find your comment about my lack of vote quite defensive. Hence, you read as threatened.
Or it meant that our timing was pretty well synced so that I responded to you at the same time I actually had a moment to do something with this game. Kind of like right now as well. As far as your lack of vote, with no cop clear on you, I probably would have snap voted you for it, because asking for permission to vote in a non LyLo scenario is a >rand scum move.
@Pa: Without the mechanics, both Kabaz and Toast have had some questionable posts, what about their mindsets are you connecting with?
No particular reason, just for clarity. I don't think it changes you point - you state that we have made questionable posts from which the implication is quite clear. How does the second half change that?
Because the second half changes that post from being about your and Kaba's alignment to being about Tom's. If I find a cop cleared target's posts questionable, the cop clear overrides that and I just disagree with them. If someone else agrees with the posts I find questionable, I want to know why.
More importantly, talk to me about what makes Anak the best lynch today? Aside from him (or me ) would you be okay with a different lynch? Possible a Lingerer Lynch?
I think LnGrrrR are both scum on a town Tom in the latest vote-count, actually. I think the lack of a hammering momentum on Anaklusmos is because his buddies don't want to take down another because a no-lynch is better there and we're having trouble getting to 6.
I think LnGrrrR are both scum on a town Tom in the latest vote-count, actually. I think the lack of a hammering momentum on Anaklusmos is because his buddies don't want to take down another because a no-lynch is better there and we're having trouble getting to 6.
I think those are the last 3 scum.
So help me lynch Lingerer; he's more likely to be scum of the two anyways, and realistically a hammer that quickly isn't even likely. Besides, this far out we aren't even at risk of a no lynch.
I think LnGrrrR are both scum on a town Tom in the latest vote-count, actually. I think the lack of a hammering momentum on Anaklusmos is because his buddies don't want to take down another because a no-lynch is better there and we're having trouble getting to 6.
I think those are the last 3 scum.
Yeah not to be the biggest ego alive or anything but it looks like I'm right on lngrrr/rodemy and they're cornered
At this point, all I want is a lynch and will be happy to vote lng if we can lynch him. Vote check? I'll be awake like another hour tonignt and will vote either anak or lng
The complete lack of meaningful interactions between tubba/lngrrr/rodemy cannot be a coincidence.
I can't even find something to quote to point to. It's crazy.
Idk the 4th but those two are the only people I'm comfortable voting today.
Though a no lynch is pretty ******* bad
I'm not going to be able to move my vote after this because of RL, but I'll tell you why I'm switching. Anak at least tried to defend themselves. Where TF is LNG? If both are scum I'd at least rather play with the one that is posting, just for the game health alone.
Where I am at, shadow toast and kaba are all town, shadow moving up there because he defended me at a time where it makes little sense for scum to do so. I was a super easy mislynch he could have pushed to lylo, and instead stayed consistent with his read of me. Tom and Jey are likely town, and I am town.
This leaves Rodemy and lngrr and KJ,with stinkyjoeterry an x factor. I'm comfortable with a lngrr lynch on that basis alone, where he is one of the few possibilities for scum. Tom's point of lack of interactions with Tubba also resonates strongly, icing on that cake.
Meh, I think Lingerer as town probably would have done something about the pressure anyway. I'm annoyed that he was hammered that quickly because it's generally bad play, but I think he's scum anyway so it shouldn't matter in this scenario.
This will be my last post for the day, about to start moving. Wish me luck not breaking anything (including myself)
Your voting record has been two mislynches and a very curious "not part of the scumwagon" d3.
You know you still wanna call him "Daddy"
Let's be clear, I don't want to call you daddy either
Its time to lynch Anak. Vote Anak. Come on guys lets do this.
Also willing to lynch LngrR, but nowhere near as enthusiastic there.
No. I am basing this off having seen many scum do it. This is not a thing I'm making up just for you. If I recall correctly, first time I saw it used as a tell was Nacho catching me for it in a mash.
Apparently I moved on to my next thought before I finished typing this one. That's how that sentence should end.
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Asked themselves "How many fences can I sit on?" for most of the game until he decided on some mislynches until their buddy was going down in a blaze of glory.
I'm confident about this one.
Sorry about my inactivity lately, our office is going through a lot of rapid changes due to the company I worked for being acquired by a much bigger company and its left me unable to want to focus too long on anything, and my tasks here were re-reads...
I only got two done, but that's good enough for now. I really feel good about this vote.
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Are you sure you read my ISO? Like really, I fencesat until going for some mislynches? I voted for one mislynch, then spent half the game calling KJ scum. Not really fencesitting, and was on one mislynch.
You will look good at the end of this shadow, though it's looking like I will be the lynch just for lack of time.
I wasn't as confident as I was about that, so was thinking through it again. Also, have you seen me in other games? Pretty sure Tom or others would tell you that me bring overly passive is pretty much par for the course.
I will not lynch Anak today, and I think anyone not familiar with him should consider reading some of his other games before committing to his lynch.
Also stop hiding behind meta. Self meta is useless.
Go look at the vote again. He wasn't gung ho about lynching tubba. It was just what he had to do.
Not really sure why that would be how anyone busses.
Weirdest part about it is if tubby had flipped town I'd be all over anak for distancing himself from his own vote that way. But it doesn't really make sense as a partner interaction
I think not being gung-ho about lynching Tubba is the play, so I'm disagreeing with you Tom that it would be a point in his favor. It's the first time a scum died, don't make a big roar about it now. Anaklusmos has been pretty under-the-radar until recently IIRC, willing to be proven wrong here.
@shadowlancerx What do you think about LnGrrrR being virtually interactionless with Tubba until LnGrrrR said 'Tubba is #3' on their scumlist when Tubba Fett got on the chopping block?
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I am willing to lynch either LnGrrR or Rodemy. Preferably Rod but I think Jey actually made a great point about LnGrrR's interactions with Tubba... although I should probably check that myself considering she totally misread Anak's ISO apparently :I
Speaking of, I'm with Shadow here. No way I vote Anak today, as I've made it clear all game I think he's town
Anaklusmos - 3 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Killjoy, JeY k)
LnGrrrR - 1 (shadowlancerx)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
tomsloger - 2 (LnGrrrR, Rodemy)
Not Voting - 3 (Anaklusmos, tomsloger, Toastboy)
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
The Day will end in a little over 24 hours.
@Terry: So Anak is always low impact, and the reason I think he's town is he's significantly higher impact than normal, and his thought process doesn't look fake. Like go iso him in Horsemen, it's like 25 posts and he got lynched day one as scum. Then go compare to his iso in Overwatch. That one is a little longer, but he got lynched day 2 (?) as a town watcher, and his play was definitely better in that one than Horsemen.
As far as this game goes, his posts have been thoughtful and there is no hint of him actually knowing people's alignments. He's often lynchbait, and I think that he's probably not scum here.
Regarding the Pizza kill, don't lean on it. It probably means he had one right, but as someone who was on the receiving end of Pizza's furor incorrectly, he can be wrong.
I strongly encourage you to switch your vote to Lingerer, with a day left, we need to get him to claim, and probably to lynch him.
I think those are the last 3 scum.
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I have nowhere near shadows confidence anak is town, but I mostly agree with what he's saying.
Yeah not to be the biggest ego alive or anything but it looks like I'm right on lngrrr/rodemy and they're cornered
Just in case I forget to sign in tomorrow
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Anaklusmos - 3 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Killjoy, toastboy)
LnGrrrR - 3 (shadowlancerx, tomsloger, jey k)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
tomsloger - 2 (LnGrrrR, Rodemy)
Not Voting - 1 (Anaklusmos)
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
The Day will end in a little under 15 hours.
I can't even find something to quote to point to. It's crazy.
Idk the 4th but those two are the only people I'm comfortable voting today.
Though a no lynch is pretty ******* bad
Vote: LnGrrrR
No NL please
anyway I made my case on why Anak is Town yesterday to Pizza, not much has changed since then. Still reading him Town as I have all game
that should say avoid a *no lynch obviously
Where I am at, shadow toast and kaba are all town, shadow moving up there because he defended me at a time where it makes little sense for scum to do so. I was a super easy mislynch he could have pushed to lylo, and instead stayed consistent with his read of me. Tom and Jey are likely town, and I am town.
This leaves Rodemy and lngrr and KJ,with stinkyjoeterry an x factor. I'm comfortable with a lngrr lynch on that basis alone, where he is one of the few possibilities for scum. Tom's point of lack of interactions with Tubba also resonates strongly, icing on that cake.
This will be my last post for the day, about to start moving. Wish me luck not breaking anything (including myself)