5. Last week at my local FNM. We play decently casually. We forgive "small" mistakes. Well, I win in the 3rd round against a guy that didn't know how to play very much 2-1. Afterwards, I notice a wayward Siege-Gang Commander poking out from under my playmat. Evidentally sometime during game 1, it got slid under my playmat on accident. I say something about it casually. My buddy DUffy also says something jokingly long the lines of "ooooo!! Gameloss! hahahaha". He was OBVIOUSLY joking. And this little explitive calls me on it. He ends up blackmailing me "Play me in one more game to determine the winner of the match or I'll call you for having an illegal deck." I didn't know the exact penalty for having a 59-card deck, but I assumed it was game-loss. So I would have lost the match, so I oblige and go on to lose. I don't even care about the loss. The fact that he blackmailed me into playing another game just so he wouldn't be in dead-last place is what pissed me off. I've told every other player about what he did, so he has a target on his back for the upcoming 2010 prerelease. Everyone has agreed to call a judge on EVERY little mistake he does. Who has 2 thumbs and is judging this Saturday? *Points to myself* THIS GUY!
So.... you're openly admiting in a public forum that you are actively targeting himi and looking to penalize him for something he did in a prior tournament, as well as convincing other players to harass the same player, and for some reason you think this is ok?
I really wish I knew a way to report your specific judge info to the DCI with a link to this post, becuase I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be allowed to judge anything with that kind of approach.
I don't do the tourney scene much, but are pre-release tournaments even a big deal? It sounds like the guy deserves it, anyway. People take magic too seriously.
Being a nice guy and fair sport is more important than winning a Magic game. I feel like that's what this whole thread is about, opponents who are prioritize the game over the social aspect.
He said he told his friends to call judge on mistakes, which you should be doing anyway to preserve game state. It's fine to call this guy on everything, he sounds like a tool, but when you do, you should at least make an unbiased call.
That said, agreeing to play a random extra game with him is super weird. Wouldn't other people be upset about you two making your own parameters outside of the tournament? People already stall and agree to tie and do weird things, I'd hate to see "do overs" become trendy.
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I've never had anyone do anything too nasty to me, but little things will annoy me. I was playing a casual game with a friend a few weeks ago. Really casual, so there was some table talk.
Me: "Dark Ritual"
Her: "How many of those do you have?"
Me: "Four."
Her: "Thought Hemorrage. I name dark ritual."
...in any other setting, I would think this is 100% my own fault, but against my own roommate, I was a little miffed.
Like I said. Our FNMs are quite casual. No one has been penalized or has called anyone on anything major. Just basic rules questions. I am one of the two most knowledgable Magic (Not DCI) rules-guys at the store I attend, so we're the ones that get asked the rules questions. Our regular TO's are horrible. They once ruled that my Manaplasm couldn't trample over a Llanowar Elves to a Planeswalker. Thats why I didn't call a judge.
And to bLatch...You have no right accusing me of anything. I will not be doing ANYTHING against the DCI rules. We'll be playing normally EXCEPT against that one guy. Everything we'd "forgive" other players for, they will not be forgiving. We will be following the rules down to the letter. Multiple times I saw him mulligan, accidentally draw 1 extra, and put the top card back. Not this time.
At FNM a few years back, my buddy got a little too excited over his Sunforger > Hidetsugo's Second Rite FTW. He screams "You Lose!" and literally throws the card at the kid's face. Luckily, no one was hurt and we gave him a little pep-talk about sportsmanship; though I think according to strict tournament rules this type of incident would call for a more severe penalty.
Like I said. Our FNMs are quite casual. No one has been penalized or has called anyone on anything major. Just basic rules questions. I am one of the two most knowledgable Magic (Not DCI) rules-guys at the store I attend, so we're the ones that get asked the rules questions. Our regular TO's are horrible. They once ruled that my Manaplasm couldn't trample over a Llanowar Elves to a Planeswalker. Thats why I didn't call a judge.
And to bLatch...You have no right accusing me of anything. I will not be doing ANYTHING against the DCI rules. We'll be playing normally EXCEPT against that one guy. Everything we'd "forgive" other players for, they will not be forgiving. We will be following the rules down to the letter. Multiple times I saw him mulligan, accidentally draw 1 extra, and put the top card back. Not this time.
I hate to say it, but you might not being doing anything against the DCI rules, but you are setting up a rather unfair situation. If you crack down on this one guy, but let everyone else slide, how does that make you any better than how you perceived his actions?? Just let it go, man. You never know, he might learn to calm down and go with the relaxed atmosphere, or he'll find another place to go on his own.
Back on topic...Re: the roommate miffing...yeah, I have had that done to me a couple of times (especially if he new what deck I was playing). Now that I've moved, and he's planning on moving in with me again, I might have to remind him how suspend actually works.
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I think the worst I've ever had happen was in one of my first booster draft tournaments. I got paired up with this one guy who was clearly a regular at the store. I don't really remember what he looked like, but I remember he had pink sleeves, and so I always think of him as the pink sleeve guy. Anyway, through out the whole match, he didn't talk to me or hardly even look at me and he had this attitude of "I'm so much better than you, I'm not even going to deign to interact with you unless absolutely necessary". Being the crappy drafter I am, I lost to him (which didn't surprise me at all), and we filled out the slip in silence and he just walked off.
That store tends to have a lot of snotty guys there, which is why I usually play elsewhere.
I try to be polite and friendly to everyone I meet and/or play against. It's a game. It should be fun. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose (unless you're me and it's more like usually you lose, every once in awhile you win XD).
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I think the worst I've ever had happen was in one of my first booster draft tournaments. I got paired up with this one guy who was clearly a regular at the store. I don't really remember what he looked like, but I remember he had pink sleeves, and so I always think of him as the pink sleeve guy. Anyway, through out the whole match, he didn't talk to me or hardly even look at me and he had this attitude of "I'm so much better than you, I'm not even going to deign to interact with you unless absolutely necessary". Being the crappy drafter I am, I lost to him (which didn't surprise me at all), and we filled out the slip in silence and he just walked off.
You know, I've played opponents that were completely silent to me, other than talking about the game state. And I find that these people were the best people to play against. Just my opinion, but I play against so many obnoxious people that someone who is silent and polite is... refreshing.
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You know, I've played opponents that were completely silent to me, other than talking about the game state. And I find that these people were the best people to play against. Just my opinion, but I play against so many obnoxious people that someone who is silent and polite is... refreshing.
Not going to lie, I agree.
Some people talk FAR too much and far too loudly.
I did get told that I need 'to look less miserable, this is just a game' at regionals. (Right after I beat the guy) I don't even realize that I am really bad at expressing myself while playing. Oops.
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I don't mind if people are chatty as long as it's not their turn. Especially if it's 1-1 and game 3. Lately I've been turtling in drafts (gotta love cumber stone) and I need that game 3 win.
That said, I talk a lot when I play magic.
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I'm too lazy to read through on the off chance I'm mentioned, but I once slipped up and called an opponent a jackass. Though I can only listen to so much irritating drek before I stop enforcing my social filter, and I'm not ashamed of that.
On a related note, I'm the only person out of all my friends who has had a judge watch my match exclusively before. And in my defense, the judge expressed a deep, abiding exasperation of his own toward my erstwhile opponent afterward.
That was an amusing event. That guy was a douche, and you calling him a jackass made my day, after being sick and not being able to test for level 1.
But anyway, here in Utah, there used to be this player. Who now has a rule in the DCI floor rules just for him. He is nice guy and I've known him for a bit. But at a side event at GP Vegas 2001 he came into one of the late night drafts totally **** faced and looses to a kid in the first or second round, and he rips the table clothe of the table sending cards everywhere. He has a nasty temper when losing, and has pinned another player under a table before. (though to be honest the other player is a dick). Flipped a table on his brother. He has since quit magic due to temper issues. He has flipped alot of tables in his day, and after a few years the "Table flipping" mention in the penalty guideline showed up in his honour.
well I played this guy and around the fith turn i draw befor i untapped and he says I can't untap now now I know these are the rule but most players draw befor they untap any way. so that turn he hits me for 13 because i had no blockers. so a few turns go by and he draws before he untaps I say he can't untap now he starts whinning about how much of a jerk I am Then, I remind him he did the same thing then I attack for some number and win the match he goes off whinning to the jugde he's arguing with the judge, the judge just keeps saying "you can argue all you want but the rules are the rules" he looks back a me angrly, I smile back he stomps over to the table collects his cards and leaves the games store there were 2 matches left. my friend just looks over at me and says "WOW....."
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For the most part at my shop there isn't anyone who's outright mean with the exception of a few people as always. There's one person who has threatened a friend of mine. He (the dude not my friend) is definitely a "special needs" case but I don't think that excuses him from outright threatening people. If he doesn't play well with others he needs to stay inside. There's another guy who's not so much mean, he just never splits (which I see as a valid strategy but its still annoying) and trys to rip people off on trades. Other then that there's just cocky people that normally do well but I've still beaten.
As for me I've never really had any terrible opponents but my play group is also rather laid back/casual.
And yes, Neon-Chan is absolutely correct. NEVER be afraid to call a judge. I often encourage my opponents to call a judge if there is something they don't understand.
Edit: Promatim: Splitting top 8 at FNM. So you don't have to play it out. Top 8 divides the prize payout evenly among themselves. As far as standings and ranking goes I don't know how that all works out.
A while ago, a new person joined my friends' casual group. He already mostly knew how to play, and we were teaching him the finer points, and some situational stuff.
He was one of those players who plays incredibly fast. Like, if he casts an instant or sorcery, he just lays it in his graveyard and tells you what you need to do. No, sorry, the game doesn't work like that.
I remember once instance, he played some creature removal card (i forget what, it had an icicle on the front) that I could pay four life to prevent. He just said "your creature dies" and laid it in his graveyard without telling me I could prevent it.
I think I would've been less annoyed if he had been trying to cheat. As it was, it had honestly never occurred to him that anyone would spend precious life to do anything. Rather than trying to sneak one by me, he was just making decisions for me, which irked me a ton.
But the big thing he did that bothered me, was he would never tap his mana. He would just start slinging spells and try to keep track of his mana in his head. I've never seen anyone try to get away with this, especially someone playing blue/black.
I can understand cutting him some slack as a beginner, but if you can't remember to tap your mana, play aggro or something. As it was, he built a deck full of puppeteers and weird utility black creatures that all used mana.
Our group was very nice about letting him redo how he paid for things, take plays back, etc, but he didn't understand why we were so insistent that he tapped mana and gave us opportunities to respond to his spells. Anyone playing a counter deck should be able to realize the importance of both of those things.
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I'll be sad if people don't start calling The Chain Veil "Fleetwood Mac."
There's this one guy that shows up to bigger events (prereleases/releases, standard tournys, etc.) thats a real *******. He only plays to win, and he whines so badly when things don't go his way. He'll tell you that your deck sucks regardless of winning or losing, even if he just had his ass handed to him. He's a little girly boy and I love destroying him. I beat him 2-1 at todays M10 Prerelease and he had an excuse for both losses and told me "there's no way you'r deck could beat me fairly." I laughed really hard. People like that should not be taken seriously. When I sit down to play him, I just laugh in his face at everything he does.
There's another guy here too who cannot handle losing or being in a bad situation. He slams the table (even your cards sometimes) with his fists, calls your creatures "jerks" and will even go as far as calling you names. He got manascrewed today and lost his first round match at the M10 Prerelease and he actually threw his deck at the wall. I'm really dissappointed that the judge didn't do anything about that, because it's definitely unsportsmanlike conduct and just really pathetic.
It's funny that Wizards is doing so much to attract new players, but all they really need to do is make the punishment stricter for being a jerk. I have no problem with an automatic loss if your opponent is being stupid.
One of the more recent rude events was a single elimination draft tournament on the first round. He beat me out, then reported the loss, and then immediately quit, leaving us both out. Left me a bit frustated; if you know you have to leave, why the heck did you sign up?!
As for ******* players, I've been fairly lucky at FNM, although I overheard one guy trash talking behind me to the point that several people were shooting him dirty looks by time the night was over.
It's funny that Wizards is doing so much to attract new players, but all theyyou the player really need to do is make the punishment stricter for being a jerk. I have no problem with an automatic loss if your opponent is being stupid.
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[rant]I have never been to a competitive magic event of any sort so I guess I really don't know exactly what the atmosphere is like. It seems to me however that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for either an individual or the group as a whole to tolerate any sort of the behavior I have read about in this thread. I know for a fact if an individual were to come to my house and act like a complete jerk they would be promptly escorted from the premises. I can understand a little more would have to be let go at a larger event like a PTQ but FNM at your regular shop is just like your house. [/rant]
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The only thing I can add is one of my casual experiences.
A Friend of my son came over to the house to play with us(both are 18 and will be hence forth referred to as kid since I am old). He brought with him two decks. One was some form of a giant deck and the other was a proxy net deck(B&W Tokens). I am not a big fan of proxy anything let alone an entire deck but I thought I would give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he didn't have many cards or just wanted to try out a top level deck. We started to play with him running the proxy deck and me running a jankyDragon Broodmotherdeck I had thrown together earlier that day. To the kids credit he piloted the token deck quite well and mopped the floor with me good four games in a row. I can take losing. I can even take the " man your deck sucks " (it did suck BTW:D)he threw in on games three and four. After game four I once again congratulated him on his good play and told him he was playing with a clearly superior deck and I would like to change my deck to something else. He replies with a cocky " no problem I can beat anything you have" OK then lets see how tokens can do against my sliver deck. He looks at me and I swear he says "oh... well I don't play against slivers because they suck"
i've never really had much in the way of terrible experiences but i guess last night was getting up there. the thing i absolutely can't stand are the people who feel its necessary to make some offhand comment whenever they draw something that effects the game, and who rush me through phases.
for instance, last night it was the last round at draft and the guy i was up against would make comments like 'oh this is too funny' whenever he would draw something like tendrils of corruption and get this giant dumbass smirk on his face like he just made the best play in the world. he also refused to keep track of his own life total and would constantly ask me what he was at, then argue with me about it. he'd announce everything that was going on too. i'm all for announcing things, but its not really necessary to say something like 'so you're tapping 3 forests for 3 green and 1 mountain for 1 red' whenever i cast a spell.
oh and then there was the whole fact that he would try to skip my second main phase every turn. if i attacked before casting anything for the turn he'd automatically start untapping after combat and go to draw and i'd have to be like 'uh, its not your turn yet' which of course made him get this look of 'hurry it up what else could you possibly do'.
i'd have been aggrivated if i'd lost to him. even more so because he's the type that would announce it to the store as if you made some bonehead play, like he did with his previous opponent.
I played a local opponent yesterday at the pre-release. Some backstory here: This guy acts so condescending and rude that there have been opponents who outright concede to him in an FNM match or refuses to play him entirely. He has also been temp-banned from the store in the past.
Anyway, we were playing an uneventful game 1, with me racing his blue/black splash red control deck with a red/green splash blue aggro deck. I Giant Growth a Runeclaw Bear for lethal to draw out his Cancel, and then post combat, took about 3 seconds to double check life and board position before casting a lethal Fireball. He then goes on and says something like, "You could have just revealed it" and "Thanks for slow rolling yet another play."
Game 2 was a lot closer. He drew infinite cards off of Divination and Mind Spring, but always kept 2 mana open for my eventual Fireball. After getting him to 1 and having my 'Ball Flashfreezed, he stabilizes, but then I Mind Control his Royal Assassin to bring the game to a standstill. We each drop more guys, until he topdecks and begins playing Fireball. He began tapping and untapping mana, trying to decide how to best destroy my 2 x/1s and 1 2/2 in play. During this process, I suspect that he didn't actually know how Fireball worked, and he confirmed it by tapping just enough to Fireball 1 each to my 2 x/1s and 2 to my 2/2. I asked if that's how he wanted to play it, he says yes, I let it resolve, and then I go on and tell him how my 2/2 was still alive. We call the judge over, he pleads to be allowed to tap 2 more because of his intent. I counter that he obviously did not know how Fireball worked, and he even admitted to it. The judge ruled in my favor, and I ended up winning.
Afterwards, he goes to say "Everyone I talk to knows you are terrible at Magic, and even though I'm terrible, at least I'm trying to get better at the game. Have fun winning at FNMs." This, from a player who MODOs everyday, reads every Magic article, and still hasn't won a PTQ. He has absolutely no success outside of the local tournaments that he derides, even though he spends way more time at Magic than I do. I had never been more glad of winning one match of Magic than that one.
I am polite, easygoing, as well as being athletically built, so I rarely have an issue with someone acting up when playing against me. I expect some emotion and good natured trash talking in any game or sport I play, and I find that generally if someone starts getting out of hand, simply being polite and asking them to dial it down a notch does the trick. If not, I'm ready to call a judge or a shop owner over, because if the person is ticking me off, more than liking they have or will do it to someone else, and that hurts the event or business in question as a whole. I tend to see people acting up more often towards other players than towards me, and I tend to do the following when I see it.
If someone is going beyond the expected friendly competitive banter, I just walk up and watch their match. Fairly often the addition of a spectator is enough for the offending player to dial it down a notch, if nothing else it is a brief distraction that might switch them off the annoying track they're on.
If respectfully observing their match doesn't help, I invade their personal space. Not enough to be blatantly obvious, but I rest my hand on the back of their chair, stand just an inch or two closer than would be normal, or sit down next them, especially when there are plenty of other seats available.
Basically, I do the same thing I do when my dog is barking his head off at someone. I redirect it by pointing it in a different direction using subtle but noticeable auditory and sensory distractions.
If that doesn't help, I highly recommend the rear naked choke.* You can learn about this particular move at your local mixed martial arts or Jiu-Jitsu school, and I can tell you from personal experience that waking up after being on the recieving end of the RNK and passing it is a bizarre feeling. Nothing is more embarrassing to a trash talking magic player than waking up on the ground, having no idea what just happened, and wondering who stole your pants.
* Use at your own risk, advanced training is highly recommended, don't sue me if this gets you kicked off the pro tour or arrested, make sure to take pictures and preferibly video.
This not really about a single experience, but about this guy who used to play at FNM's at my shop all the time.
At the beginning of EVERY match, without fail, he would always ask "Would you like to concede to me", followed by "Would you like to play casually". You could always hear him say it at the start of the match, so it was terribly annoying even when you weren't playing him.
Anyway, I think he got the hint that no one likes him because he doesn't play here anymore
Pairings are up, we find each other and we both sit down.
I say, "Just gimme a another sec, I wanna pile shuffle this one more time."
He responds, " I hope we don't go into time because of that"
Geez that's a nice way to start. So I pile and present, and he cuts. I win the dice roll. I play. We draw our7.
I ask,"do you keep? Because I'm keeping mine."
He responds,"Give me a minute". Spends the 5 minutes staring, before he decides not to mull.
Since I'm playing an R/G aggro deck, I drop creatures and turn them sideways. He's playing U/B/w, so he's got some thinking involved, I understand. But ever combat step. I turn my guys sideways, and he screams, "WAIT!" Takes another 2-3 minutes then taps one of my guys. After this happens for a good 5 turns, I simply told, "Look, You know every turn i'm going to attack. You don't have to scream WAIT and tell me you are thinking, I'm not writing down that you took any damage. You have been taping the same creature for the past 5 turns. Why don't you just save your breath and tell me once you decided if you are going to tap the same guy." 5 mins later, he tapped the same guy.
We almost went to time because every turn on his side took about 2-3 minutes.
He beats me in the last game, I extend my hand and say, "GG". He comes back and tells, "You need to return the lands". I reply, "Okay". I start unsleeving, He turns around and says, "Oh i don't care what you say, i'm just telling you that." I debated whether or not I should of jumped him outside. But my friends were calling and I decide to leave with my friends for dinner.
I've had several experiences with cocky players, but none sticks out so much as this guy that plays at my campus.
This happened about 5 or 6 months ago. I had about 15 minutes before class, so I made my way to the tables where we play at. I saw this ass hat sitting there touting himself up with some less experienced players and one who had a few years of play. I had heard this guy ranting of his superiority before numerous times and felt he needed to be humbled. I go to sit down and ask one of my friends for a quick duel before I go to class. Immediately the jerk turns and says,"Oh, this guy wants to play!"
I respond, "Yeah, I'll play a quick game."
He then hands his exalted deck to one of the inexperienced fellas and tells him and the other experienced guy to join in.
"OK,"I said,"but, I might have to leave if it goes more than a few minutes. I've got a class here soon."
We shuffle and the exalted deck goes first. Then me playing mono red goblins, another mono red goblins similar to mine, and lastly the jerk who was playing mono white soldier/life gain.
I start off a little slow, as does the other goblin player. The exalted guy could have done more but he didn't know how to play the deck that well. The loud mouth playing mono white gets out an early Elspeth and starts making soldiers. I'd seen him play this deck prior and knew he didn't have much early game, but after Elspeth, Ajani, Serra Avatar, and Beacon of Immortality, I would be hard pressed. But, he also intimidated less experienced players to let him build in those previous games I watched. He kept talking big and acting so self satisfied. I start getting the build up I need, along with a Kyren Negotiations and waited for him to tap out getting out his Serra Avatar and activating Elspeth's final ability. Luckily, as I mentioned, he had no early game life gain. I waited to see if the exalted guy would pull out some tricks to mess with him. He didn't and went to end his turn. During the end step,I then proceeded to ask the asshat if indeed his permanents were indestructible and he had a Serra Avatar on the board. He scoffingly says,"yeah!"
So, I proceed to tap 6 goblins to deal directly to his face with the Negotiations, begin my turn, tap all 6 to the negotiations again, play Mogg Infestation giving me 12 goblins, tap 1 then goblin grenade it for extra insult, then tap the rest and deal it to him.(Though that was a bit of overkill, but hey, he deserved it.)
He looks wide eyed at me and says,"Does that kill me?"
To which I smile and say,"Yeah. Yeah it does!"
He starts swearing and yelling, saying he could have taken out my negotiations and that's not how they play down there.
I calmly replied,"This is a game with winners and losers. You lost, get over it. I played other people down here, and they tried to kill me. You're just sore that I didn't let you get to the point where you were unkillable, like I'm gonna hold on to direct damage when you just put out a Serra Avatar."
He kept fuming while I picked up my deck and told the other two ",Good game, I guess it's a duel now, huh!"
About a month ago a friend of mine played the same guy with Charbelcher and wrecked his face. Then he called him out because we had heard he was running 6 Serra Avatars in the deck. When my friend made him show his deck and found two extra twenty dollar avatars, the guy said he didn't know where they came from. I told my friend that he should have said,"Oh, I must have dropped them in here then. Thanks, I was missing these!"
Right, I'm sure we've all just "misplaced" two extra twenty dollar rares in just the deck that we play them in all the time.
I was at FMN about 6 months ago and I'm playing this guy who was actually pretty nice. However, he was wearing a tank top, and had ridiculously hairy armpits. During my turn, he would always lean back, and put his arms in the "relaxed position"(arms behind head). I know it's not his fault he's hairy, but really, no one wants to see that! Put on a real shirt!
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So.... you're openly admiting in a public forum that you are actively targeting himi and looking to penalize him for something he did in a prior tournament, as well as convincing other players to harass the same player, and for some reason you think this is ok?
I really wish I knew a way to report your specific judge info to the DCI with a link to this post, becuase I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be allowed to judge anything with that kind of approach.
Being a nice guy and fair sport is more important than winning a Magic game. I feel like that's what this whole thread is about, opponents who are prioritize the game over the social aspect.
He said he told his friends to call judge on mistakes, which you should be doing anyway to preserve game state. It's fine to call this guy on everything, he sounds like a tool, but when you do, you should at least make an unbiased call.
That said, agreeing to play a random extra game with him is super weird. Wouldn't other people be upset about you two making your own parameters outside of the tournament? People already stall and agree to tie and do weird things, I'd hate to see "do overs" become trendy.
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I've never had anyone do anything too nasty to me, but little things will annoy me. I was playing a casual game with a friend a few weeks ago. Really casual, so there was some table talk.
Me: "Dark Ritual"
Her: "How many of those do you have?"
Me: "Four."
Her: "Thought Hemorrage. I name dark ritual."
...in any other setting, I would think this is 100% my own fault, but against my own roommate, I was a little miffed.
And to bLatch...You have no right accusing me of anything. I will not be doing ANYTHING against the DCI rules. We'll be playing normally EXCEPT against that one guy. Everything we'd "forgive" other players for, they will not be forgiving. We will be following the rules down to the letter. Multiple times I saw him mulligan, accidentally draw 1 extra, and put the top card back. Not this time.
I hate to say it, but you might not being doing anything against the DCI rules, but you are setting up a rather unfair situation. If you crack down on this one guy, but let everyone else slide, how does that make you any better than how you perceived his actions?? Just let it go, man. You never know, he might learn to calm down and go with the relaxed atmosphere, or he'll find another place to go on his own.
Back on topic...Re: the roommate miffing...yeah, I have had that done to me a couple of times (especially if he new what deck I was playing). Now that I've moved, and he's planning on moving in with me again, I might have to remind him how suspend actually works.
That store tends to have a lot of snotty guys there, which is why I usually play elsewhere.
I try to be polite and friendly to everyone I meet and/or play against. It's a game. It should be fun. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose (unless you're me and it's more like usually you lose, every once in awhile you win XD).
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You know, I've played opponents that were completely silent to me, other than talking about the game state. And I find that these people were the best people to play against. Just my opinion, but I play against so many obnoxious people that someone who is silent and polite is... refreshing.
Not going to lie, I agree.
Some people talk FAR too much and far too loudly.
I did get told that I need 'to look less miserable, this is just a game' at regionals. (Right after I beat the guy) I don't even realize that I am really bad at expressing myself while playing. Oops.
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That was an amusing event. That guy was a douche, and you calling him a jackass made my day, after being sick and not being able to test for level 1.
But anyway, here in Utah, there used to be this player. Who now has a rule in the DCI floor rules just for him. He is nice guy and I've known him for a bit. But at a side event at GP Vegas 2001 he came into one of the late night drafts totally **** faced and looses to a kid in the first or second round, and he rips the table clothe of the table sending cards everywhere. He has a nasty temper when losing, and has pinned another player under a table before. (though to be honest the other player is a dick). Flipped a table on his brother. He has since quit magic due to temper issues. He has flipped alot of tables in his day, and after a few years the "Table flipping" mention in the penalty guideline showed up in his honour.
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As for me I've never really had any terrible opponents but my play group is also rather laid back/casual.
And yes, Neon-Chan is absolutely correct. NEVER be afraid to call a judge. I often encourage my opponents to call a judge if there is something they don't understand.
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A while ago, a new person joined my friends' casual group. He already mostly knew how to play, and we were teaching him the finer points, and some situational stuff.
He was one of those players who plays incredibly fast. Like, if he casts an instant or sorcery, he just lays it in his graveyard and tells you what you need to do. No, sorry, the game doesn't work like that.
I remember once instance, he played some creature removal card (i forget what, it had an icicle on the front) that I could pay four life to prevent. He just said "your creature dies" and laid it in his graveyard without telling me I could prevent it.
I think I would've been less annoyed if he had been trying to cheat. As it was, it had honestly never occurred to him that anyone would spend precious life to do anything. Rather than trying to sneak one by me, he was just making decisions for me, which irked me a ton.
But the big thing he did that bothered me, was he would never tap his mana. He would just start slinging spells and try to keep track of his mana in his head. I've never seen anyone try to get away with this, especially someone playing blue/black.
I can understand cutting him some slack as a beginner, but if you can't remember to tap your mana, play aggro or something. As it was, he built a deck full of puppeteers and weird utility black creatures that all used mana.
Our group was very nice about letting him redo how he paid for things, take plays back, etc, but he didn't understand why we were so insistent that he tapped mana and gave us opportunities to respond to his spells. Anyone playing a counter deck should be able to realize the importance of both of those things.
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There's another guy here too who cannot handle losing or being in a bad situation. He slams the table (even your cards sometimes) with his fists, calls your creatures "jerks" and will even go as far as calling you names. He got manascrewed today and lost his first round match at the M10 Prerelease and he actually threw his deck at the wall. I'm really dissappointed that the judge didn't do anything about that, because it's definitely unsportsmanlike conduct and just really pathetic.
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As for ******* players, I've been fairly lucky at FNM, although I overheard one guy trash talking behind me to the point that several people were shooting him dirty looks by time the night was over.
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[rant]I have never been to a competitive magic event of any sort so I guess I really don't know exactly what the atmosphere is like. It seems to me however that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for either an individual or the group as a whole to tolerate any sort of the behavior I have read about in this thread. I know for a fact if an individual were to come to my house and act like a complete jerk they would be promptly escorted from the premises. I can understand a little more would have to be let go at a larger event like a PTQ but FNM at your regular shop is just like your house. [/rant]
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The only thing I can add is one of my casual experiences.
A Friend of my son came over to the house to play with us(both are 18 and will be hence forth referred to as kid since I am old). He brought with him two decks. One was some form of a giant deck and the other was a proxy net deck(B&W Tokens). I am not a big fan of proxy anything let alone an entire deck but I thought I would give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he didn't have many cards or just wanted to try out a top level deck. We started to play with him running the proxy deck and me running a jankyDragon Broodmotherdeck I had thrown together earlier that day. To the kids credit he piloted the token deck quite well and mopped the floor with me good four games in a row. I can take losing. I can even take the " man your deck sucks " (it did suck BTW:D)he threw in on games three and four. After game four I once again congratulated him on his good play and told him he was playing with a clearly superior deck and I would like to change my deck to something else. He replies with a cocky " no problem I can beat anything you have" OK then lets see how tokens can do against my sliver deck. He looks at me and I swear he says "oh... well I don't play against slivers because they suck"
for instance, last night it was the last round at draft and the guy i was up against would make comments like 'oh this is too funny' whenever he would draw something like tendrils of corruption and get this giant dumbass smirk on his face like he just made the best play in the world. he also refused to keep track of his own life total and would constantly ask me what he was at, then argue with me about it. he'd announce everything that was going on too. i'm all for announcing things, but its not really necessary to say something like 'so you're tapping 3 forests for 3 green and 1 mountain for 1 red' whenever i cast a spell.
oh and then there was the whole fact that he would try to skip my second main phase every turn. if i attacked before casting anything for the turn he'd automatically start untapping after combat and go to draw and i'd have to be like 'uh, its not your turn yet' which of course made him get this look of 'hurry it up what else could you possibly do'.
i'd have been aggrivated if i'd lost to him. even more so because he's the type that would announce it to the store as if you made some bonehead play, like he did with his previous opponent.
Anyway, we were playing an uneventful game 1, with me racing his blue/black splash red control deck with a red/green splash blue aggro deck. I Giant Growth a Runeclaw Bear for lethal to draw out his Cancel, and then post combat, took about 3 seconds to double check life and board position before casting a lethal Fireball. He then goes on and says something like, "You could have just revealed it" and "Thanks for slow rolling yet another play."
Game 2 was a lot closer. He drew infinite cards off of Divination and Mind Spring, but always kept 2 mana open for my eventual Fireball. After getting him to 1 and having my 'Ball Flashfreezed, he stabilizes, but then I Mind Control his Royal Assassin to bring the game to a standstill. We each drop more guys, until he topdecks and begins playing Fireball. He began tapping and untapping mana, trying to decide how to best destroy my 2 x/1s and 1 2/2 in play. During this process, I suspect that he didn't actually know how Fireball worked, and he confirmed it by tapping just enough to Fireball 1 each to my 2 x/1s and 2 to my 2/2. I asked if that's how he wanted to play it, he says yes, I let it resolve, and then I go on and tell him how my 2/2 was still alive. We call the judge over, he pleads to be allowed to tap 2 more because of his intent. I counter that he obviously did not know how Fireball worked, and he even admitted to it. The judge ruled in my favor, and I ended up winning.
Afterwards, he goes to say "Everyone I talk to knows you are terrible at Magic, and even though I'm terrible, at least I'm trying to get better at the game. Have fun winning at FNMs." This, from a player who MODOs everyday, reads every Magic article, and still hasn't won a PTQ. He has absolutely no success outside of the local tournaments that he derides, even though he spends way more time at Magic than I do. I had never been more glad of winning one match of Magic than that one.
If someone is going beyond the expected friendly competitive banter, I just walk up and watch their match. Fairly often the addition of a spectator is enough for the offending player to dial it down a notch, if nothing else it is a brief distraction that might switch them off the annoying track they're on.
If respectfully observing their match doesn't help, I invade their personal space. Not enough to be blatantly obvious, but I rest my hand on the back of their chair, stand just an inch or two closer than would be normal, or sit down next them, especially when there are plenty of other seats available.
Basically, I do the same thing I do when my dog is barking his head off at someone. I redirect it by pointing it in a different direction using subtle but noticeable auditory and sensory distractions.
If that doesn't help, I highly recommend the rear naked choke.* You can learn about this particular move at your local mixed martial arts or Jiu-Jitsu school, and I can tell you from personal experience that waking up after being on the recieving end of the RNK and passing it is a bizarre feeling. Nothing is more embarrassing to a trash talking magic player than waking up on the ground, having no idea what just happened, and wondering who stole your pants.
* Use at your own risk, advanced training is highly recommended, don't sue me if this gets you kicked off the pro tour or arrested, make sure to take pictures and preferibly video.
At the beginning of EVERY match, without fail, he would always ask "Would you like to concede to me", followed by "Would you like to play casually". You could always hear him say it at the start of the match, so it was terribly annoying even when you weren't playing him.
Anyway, I think he got the hint that no one likes him because he doesn't play here anymore
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Pairings are up, we find each other and we both sit down.
I say, "Just gimme a another sec, I wanna pile shuffle this one more time."
He responds, " I hope we don't go into time because of that"
Geez that's a nice way to start. So I pile and present, and he cuts. I win the dice roll. I play. We draw our7.
I ask,"do you keep? Because I'm keeping mine."
He responds,"Give me a minute". Spends the 5 minutes staring, before he decides not to mull.
Since I'm playing an R/G aggro deck, I drop creatures and turn them sideways. He's playing U/B/w, so he's got some thinking involved, I understand. But ever combat step. I turn my guys sideways, and he screams, "WAIT!" Takes another 2-3 minutes then taps one of my guys. After this happens for a good 5 turns, I simply told, "Look, You know every turn i'm going to attack. You don't have to scream WAIT and tell me you are thinking, I'm not writing down that you took any damage. You have been taping the same creature for the past 5 turns. Why don't you just save your breath and tell me once you decided if you are going to tap the same guy." 5 mins later, he tapped the same guy.
We almost went to time because every turn on his side took about 2-3 minutes.
He beats me in the last game, I extend my hand and say, "GG". He comes back and tells, "You need to return the lands". I reply, "Okay". I start unsleeving, He turns around and says, "Oh i don't care what you say, i'm just telling you that." I debated whether or not I should of jumped him outside. But my friends were calling and I decide to leave with my friends for dinner.
This happened about 5 or 6 months ago. I had about 15 minutes before class, so I made my way to the tables where we play at. I saw this ass hat sitting there touting himself up with some less experienced players and one who had a few years of play. I had heard this guy ranting of his superiority before numerous times and felt he needed to be humbled. I go to sit down and ask one of my friends for a quick duel before I go to class. Immediately the jerk turns and says,"Oh, this guy wants to play!"
I respond, "Yeah, I'll play a quick game."
He then hands his exalted deck to one of the inexperienced fellas and tells him and the other experienced guy to join in.
"OK,"I said,"but, I might have to leave if it goes more than a few minutes. I've got a class here soon."
We shuffle and the exalted deck goes first. Then me playing mono red goblins, another mono red goblins similar to mine, and lastly the jerk who was playing mono white soldier/life gain.
I start off a little slow, as does the other goblin player. The exalted guy could have done more but he didn't know how to play the deck that well. The loud mouth playing mono white gets out an early Elspeth and starts making soldiers. I'd seen him play this deck prior and knew he didn't have much early game, but after Elspeth, Ajani, Serra Avatar, and Beacon of Immortality, I would be hard pressed. But, he also intimidated less experienced players to let him build in those previous games I watched. He kept talking big and acting so self satisfied. I start getting the build up I need, along with a Kyren Negotiations and waited for him to tap out getting out his Serra Avatar and activating Elspeth's final ability. Luckily, as I mentioned, he had no early game life gain. I waited to see if the exalted guy would pull out some tricks to mess with him. He didn't and went to end his turn. During the end step,I then proceeded to ask the asshat if indeed his permanents were indestructible and he had a Serra Avatar on the board. He scoffingly says,"yeah!"
So, I proceed to tap 6 goblins to deal directly to his face with the Negotiations, begin my turn, tap all 6 to the negotiations again, play Mogg Infestation giving me 12 goblins, tap 1 then goblin grenade it for extra insult, then tap the rest and deal it to him.(Though that was a bit of overkill, but hey, he deserved it.)
He looks wide eyed at me and says,"Does that kill me?"
To which I smile and say,"Yeah. Yeah it does!"
He starts swearing and yelling, saying he could have taken out my negotiations and that's not how they play down there.
I calmly replied,"This is a game with winners and losers. You lost, get over it. I played other people down here, and they tried to kill me. You're just sore that I didn't let you get to the point where you were unkillable, like I'm gonna hold on to direct damage when you just put out a Serra Avatar."
He kept fuming while I picked up my deck and told the other two ",Good game, I guess it's a duel now, huh!"
About a month ago a friend of mine played the same guy with Charbelcher and wrecked his face. Then he called him out because we had heard he was running 6 Serra Avatars in the deck. When my friend made him show his deck and found two extra twenty dollar avatars, the guy said he didn't know where they came from. I told my friend that he should have said,"Oh, I must have dropped them in here then. Thanks, I was missing these!"
Right, I'm sure we've all just "misplaced" two extra twenty dollar rares in just the deck that we play them in all the time.