So the situation is I have an Elesh Norn on the field and the opponent casts jade guardian Wanting to target itself with the +1/+1 counter in order to survive. So would the jade guardian have the counter placed on it before resolving or would SBA remove it before it's able to target itself?
The Jade Guardian would indeed die due to SBA for being a 0/0, before it's ETB ability is put on the stack. So the Jade Guardian is dead before the ability goes on the stack, which is long before its ability could even begin to resolve.
The Jade Guardian would indeed die due to SBA for being a 0/0, before it's ETB ability is put on the stack. So the Jade Guardian is dead before the ability goes on the stack, which is long before its ability could even begin to resolve.
Hope that helps.
That's what I was thinking. Won't the jade guardian still be able to put its effect on the stack, since it does enter even though it dies right away?
Yes, its enters-the-battlefield ability (not: effect) will still trigger upon entering the battlefield, and it will still get to resolve even if Jade Guardian leaves the battlefield in the meantime (C.R. 112.7a).
The Jade Guardian would indeed die due to SBA for being a 0/0, before it's ETB ability is put on the stack. So the Jade Guardian is dead before the ability goes on the stack, which is long before its ability could even begin to resolve.
Hope that helps.
The ETB is put on the stack, then the game checks state based effects, the jade guardian dies, then the ETB trigger attempts to resolve. There is no "before the ability goes on the stack". Once the ability goes on the stack, before players receive priority, STBs are checked.
The ETB is put on the stack, then the game checks state based effects, the jade guardian dies, then the ETB trigger attempts to resolve. There is no "before the ability goes on the stack". Once the ability goes on the stack, before players receive priority, STBs are checked.
That is not true. Under C.R. 116.5, "[e]ach time a player would get priority, the game first performs ... state-based actions [for as long as applicable]. Then triggered abilities", such as Jade Guardian's enters-the-battlefield ability here, "are put on the stack" (emphasis added).
Hope that helps.
That's what I was thinking. Won't the jade guardian still be able to put its effect on the stack, since it does enter even though it dies right away?
The ETB is put on the stack, then the game checks state based effects, the jade guardian dies, then the ETB trigger attempts to resolve. There is no "before the ability goes on the stack". Once the ability goes on the stack, before players receive priority, STBs are checked.
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