I have a very hard time imagining what the core set thematically could be. I assume it could tie in strongly with Dominaria - I always implicitly assumed that if these reveals include a return to core sets and a return to Dominaria that those two wozuld be the same set - a new core set situated on Dominaria.
Do you guys think the Core Set will include Planeswalkers or will they be reserved for the "real" sets and the Planeswalker decks?
Planeswalkers are one of the greater unsolved issues of core sets - in the past there have been five-card cycles of planeswalkers which is above average even for a large set and eats up a lot of the planeswalker slots for a year.
I'm going to assume that new core sets will dare more of the things we have seen creep in in the past like gold multicolor etc. So maybe we could see core sets be themed around planeswalker vs. planeswalker storylines so they only *need* two and could have an auxiliary slot. Or maybe they'll just let loose all the rules and let the anniversary year go overboard with fifteen planeswalkers. *shrug*
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I have a very hard time imagining what the core set thematically could be. I assume it could tie in strongly with Dominaria - I always implicitly assumed that if these reveals include a return to core sets and a return to Dominaria that those two wozuld be the same set - a new core set situated on Dominaria.
Do you guys think the Core Set will include Planeswalkers or will they be reserved for the "real" sets and the Planeswalker decks?
Planeswalkers are one of the greater unsolved issues of core sets - in the past there have been five-card cycles of planeswalkers which is above average even for a large set and eats up a lot of the planeswalker slots for a year.
I'm going to assume that new core sets will dare more of the things we have seen creep in in the past like gold multicolor etc. So maybe we could see core sets be themed around planeswalker vs. planeswalker storylines so they only *need* two and could have an auxiliary slot. Or maybe they'll just let loose all the rules and let the anniversary year go overboard with fifteen planeswalkers. *shrug*
Personally I think that your guess with two to three planeswalkers in the core set is the most likely one as the standard. It is fairly easy to make a story about two or three planeswalkers who have come into some form of conflict, and even introduce new planeswalkers this way.
I think the core will have both planeswalkers, legendary creatures, and gold cards, but that they will be fairly simple in their design compared to the higher complexity of the other standard legal sets. Cards that are easy to build around, and show of how the colors interact or work.
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From what I read on the WPN Core 2019 product page, Planeswalker decks cost $10.99, and their displays cost $109.90 MSRP, meaning that each display comes in groups of 10, so 5 kinds, 2 per kind?
Does this mean we are going back to the days when we had a different kind of precon for core sets as opposed to regular expansions? You know, the ones where core set precons came in groups of 5, mono colored, and had 40 cards, while the other sets had 4 60 card precons each, exception being that now the other sets would probably still be 2 planeswalker decks costing $14.99 each, although I would rather have all sets have 5 60 card precons costing $10.99 each. If not, then the non-core sets should have 4 precons costing $12.99 each.
All I care about is that WOTC releases 4 or 5 precons per set, making them cost $13.99 or less, and include functional packaging.
From what I read on the WPN Core 2019 product page, Planeswalker decks cost $10.99, and their displays cost $109.90 MSRP, meaning that each display comes in groups of 10, so 5 kinds, 2 per kind?
Does this mean we are going back to the days when we had a different kind of precon for core sets as opposed to regular expansions? You know, the ones where core set precons came in groups of 5, mono colored, and had 40 cards, while the other sets had 4 60 card precons each, exception being that now the other sets would probably still be 2 planeswalker decks costing $14.99 each, although I would rather have all sets have 5 60 card precons costing $10.99 each. If not, then the non-core sets should have 4 precons costing $12.99 each.
All I care about is that WOTC releases 4 or 5 precons per set, making them cost $13.99 or less, and include functional packaging.
Or more likely, two planeswalker precons, five of each.
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From what I read on the WPN Core 2019 product page, Planeswalker decks cost $10.99, and their displays cost $109.90 MSRP, meaning that each display comes in groups of 10, so 5 kinds, 2 per kind?
Does this mean we are going back to the days when we had a different kind of precon for core sets as opposed to regular expansions? You know, the ones where core set precons came in groups of 5, mono colored, and had 40 cards, while the other sets had 4 60 card precons each, exception being that now the other sets would probably still be 2 planeswalker decks costing $14.99 each, although I would rather have all sets have 5 60 card precons costing $10.99 each. If not, then the non-core sets should have 4 precons costing $12.99 each.
All I care about is that WOTC releases 4 or 5 precons per set, making them cost $13.99 or less, and include functional packaging.
Or more likely, two planeswalker precons, five of each.
Still doesn't justify the $10.99 price tag, and the change in configuration, and not mentioning the contents in the wpn page.
However they do it, there should be 4 or 5 per set, and they should cost less than $14.
Personally I think that your guess with two to three planeswalkers in the core set is the most likely one as the standard. It is fairly easy to make a story about two or three planeswalkers who have come into some form of conflict, and even introduce new planeswalkers this way.
I'm not sure I can see Wizards not doing a whole 5-color cycle in the core set. Maybe they'd do 3 in the set and put the two missing colors in the planeswalker decks so they don't dump 5 "good" planeswalkers on standard all at once.
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Personally I think that your guess with two to three planeswalkers in the core set is the most likely one as the standard. It is fairly easy to make a story about two or three planeswalkers who have come into some form of conflict, and even introduce new planeswalkers this way.
I'm not sure I can see Wizards not doing a whole 5-color cycle in the core set. Maybe they'd do 3 in the set and put the two missing colors in the planeswalker decks so they don't dump 5 "good" planeswalkers on standard all at once.
It is highly unlikely that WotC are going to put characters in Planeswalker decks that are not also represented by a in the set proper.
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Also I do like that with supplemental products and no core they may have used up design space on cards that would never get printed in a Standard set - like Scourge of Nel Toth which can now easily just be reprinted and voila.
The core 2019 planeswalker decks are soooooo going to be 40 card decks. I can't think of any other way that it would cost $10.99 MSRP each.
Or it could, you know, be a pricing error.
Nah, or else they wouldn't have said "More information available closer to release", compared to Planeswalker decks from the Dominaria WPN page, which has the same content information as all other current planeswalker decks. It is obvious that something is going to be different about the Core 2019 planeswalker decks.
It would more likely be a pricing error if, let's say, it was supposed to be $10.99, and it said $14.99 because they forgot to edit the copy paste job to show the pricing and content changes.
The core 2019 planeswalker decks are soooooo going to be 40 card decks. I can't think of any other way that it would cost $10.99 MSRP each.
Or it could, you know, be a pricing error.
Nah, or else they wouldn't have said "More information available closer to release", compared to Planeswalker decks from the Dominaria WPN page, which has the same content information as all other current planeswalker decks. It is obvious that something is going to be different about the Core 2019 planeswalker decks.
It would more likely be a pricing error if, let's say, it was supposed to be $10.99, and it said $14.99 because they forgot to edit the copy paste job to show the pricing and content changes.
Could also be that it is cheaper because it is from the core set, and not an expansion. But more info will become available as we get closer to release.
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The core 2019 planeswalker decks are soooooo going to be 40 card decks. I can't think of any other way that it would cost $10.99 MSRP each.
Or it could, you know, be a pricing error.
Nah, or else they wouldn't have said "More information available closer to release", compared to Planeswalker decks from the Dominaria WPN page, which has the same content information as all other current planeswalker decks. It is obvious that something is going to be different about the Core 2019 planeswalker decks.
It would more likely be a pricing error if, let's say, it was supposed to be $10.99, and it said $14.99 because they forgot to edit the copy paste job to show the pricing and content changes.
Could also be that it is cheaper because it is from the core set, and not an expansion. But more info will become available as we get closer to release.
Back in theme deck era, core set theme decks cost $9.99, had 40 cards, came in groups of 5, and were always mono colored. Block expansion theme decks came usually in groups of 4, and cost $12.99. There were no color pattern restrictions that the intro packs had, meaning you can have a set that had no blue in the theme decks, like Champions of Kamigawa.
After Core 2019, I really hope they go back to this model. I disliked planeswalker decks because they took away a few things:
Variety (2 per set vs 4 or 5 per set)
Unique cover artwork (One of the Hour of Devastation Planeswalker decks has Nissa as the cover artwork... AGAIN!!!)
Names (Planeswalker decks are named after the cover card, as opposed to names like Waking Nightmares, or Bant on the March, or Swift Justice etc.)
This next part about set associated precons that I hate started during the intro pack era. Jacking up the MSRP to $14.99. I don't think they are trying to improve the product by including an extra booster. They are trying to find excuses to sell the product for $14.99. Same with the bundle, the product formerly known as the fat pack. They aren't improving the product by adding a 10th booster. They just want to find a way to justify the price increase.
Here's the worst case scenario. I really hope that WOTC doesn't do something ridiculous like having the product be the 30 card welcome deck, a 10 card add-on pack to make the deck 40 cards, and include 2 boosters. The 10 card add-on pack would be the so called "planeswalker deck exclusive" cards, you know, the planeswalker, 2 rares, 3 uncommons, and 4 commons. No dual lands because these decks would be mono-colored. Now that would be WOTC trying to rip someone off, as much as um, AHL Live, I guess. The funny thing is, I would still actually buy it, due to the nature of it being a set associated preconstructed deck.
The core 2019 planeswalker decks are soooooo going to be 40 card decks. I can't think of any other way that it would cost $10.99 MSRP each.
Or it could, you know, be a pricing error.
Nah, or else they wouldn't have said "More information available closer to release", compared to Planeswalker decks from the Dominaria WPN page, which has the same content information as all other current planeswalker decks. It is obvious that something is going to be different about the Core 2019 planeswalker decks.
It would more likely be a pricing error if, let's say, it was supposed to be $10.99, and it said $14.99 because they forgot to edit the copy paste job to show the pricing and content changes.
Could also be that it is cheaper because it is from the core set, and not an expansion. But more info will become available as we get closer to release.
Back in theme deck era, core set theme decks cost $9.99, had 40 cards, came in groups of 5, and were always mono colored. Block expansion theme decks came usually in groups of 4, and cost $12.99. There were no color pattern restrictions that the intro packs had, meaning you can have a set that had no blue in the theme decks, like Champions of Kamigawa.
After Core 2019, I really hope they go back to this model. I disliked planeswalker decks because they took away a few things:
Variety (2 per set vs 4 or 5 per set)
Unique cover artwork (One of the Hour of Devastation Planeswalker decks has Nissa as the cover artwork... AGAIN!!!)
Names (Planeswalker decks are named after the cover card, as opposed to names like Waking Nightmares, or Bant on the March, or Swift Justice etc.)
This next part about set associated precons that I hate started during the intro pack era. Jacking up the MSRP to $14.99. I don't think they are trying to improve the product by including an extra booster. They are trying to find excuses to sell the product for $14.99. Same with the bundle, the product formerly known as the fat pack. They aren't improving the product by adding a 10th booster. They just want to find a way to justify the price increase.
Here's the worst case scenario. I really hope that WOTC doesn't do something ridiculous like having the product be the 30 card welcome deck, a 10 card add-on pack to make the deck 40 cards, and include 2 boosters. The 10 card add-on pack would be the so called "planeswalker deck exclusive" cards, you know, the planeswalker, 2 rares, 3 uncommons, and 4 commons. No dual lands because these decks would be mono-colored. Now that would be WOTC trying to rip someone off, as much as um, AHL Live, I guess.
Except, the 40 card decks didn't sell well because people couldn't play them out of the box. The old 60 pre-cons were much better. I still remember the Tempest era precons, the blue one from Exodus was so awesome. Sure, it contained 26 islands, but the rest was pure value, including two rares that comboed well together (Erratic Portal and Equilibrium). The combo worked by using the artifact to bounce your creature, then recast it to force bounce one of your opponents. Between those two and 16 counterspells, the deck effectively shut down opponents decks.
And the booklet that came with it, accidentally spoiled a card from Urza block (Raven Familiar) in the upgrade suggestions.
I really miss Tempest block, sure the block was overpowered, but the power was evenly distributed between all five colors leading to a balanced environment. Heck, the big deck of the era was five color green featuring Oath of Druids, but it had to compete with Sligh, White Weenie, Shadow, Sui-Black, Slivers, Stompy, and monoblue control, it was awesome. Then Urza block came around and broke everything. >.<
But I digress, and getting off topic.
Anyway, as I said, 40 card decks were a failure because people can't pick them up and play in FNM.
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Nah, or else they wouldn't have said "More information available closer to release", compared to Planeswalker decks from the Dominaria WPN page, which has the same content information as all other current planeswalker decks. It is obvious that something is going to be different about the Core 2019 planeswalker decks.
It would more likely be a pricing error if, let's say, it was supposed to be $10.99, and it said $14.99 because they forgot to edit the copy paste job to show the pricing and content changes.
Could also be that it is cheaper because it is from the core set, and not an expansion. But more info will become available as we get closer to release.
Back in theme deck era, core set theme decks cost $9.99, had 40 cards, came in groups of 5, and were always mono colored. Block expansion theme decks came usually in groups of 4, and cost $12.99. There were no color pattern restrictions that the intro packs had, meaning you can have a set that had no blue in the theme decks, like Champions of Kamigawa.
After Core 2019, I really hope they go back to this model. I disliked planeswalker decks because they took away a few things:
Variety (2 per set vs 4 or 5 per set)
Unique cover artwork (One of the Hour of Devastation Planeswalker decks has Nissa as the cover artwork... AGAIN!!!)
Names (Planeswalker decks are named after the cover card, as opposed to names like Waking Nightmares, or Bant on the March, or Swift Justice etc.)
This next part about set associated precons that I hate started during the intro pack era. Jacking up the MSRP to $14.99. I don't think they are trying to improve the product by including an extra booster. They are trying to find excuses to sell the product for $14.99. Same with the bundle, the product formerly known as the fat pack. They aren't improving the product by adding a 10th booster. They just want to find a way to justify the price increase.
Here's the worst case scenario. I really hope that WOTC doesn't do something ridiculous like having the product be the 30 card welcome deck, a 10 card add-on pack to make the deck 40 cards, and include 2 boosters. The 10 card add-on pack would be the so called "planeswalker deck exclusive" cards, you know, the planeswalker, 2 rares, 3 uncommons, and 4 commons. No dual lands because these decks would be mono-colored. Now that would be WOTC trying to rip someone off, as much as um, AHL Live, I guess.
Except, the 40 card decks didn't sell well because people couldn't play them out of the box. The old 60 pre-cons were much better. I still remember the Tempest era precons, the blue one from Exodus was so awesome. Sure, it contained 26 islands, but the rest was pure value, including two rares that comboed well together (Erratic Portal and Equilibrium). The combo worked by using the artifact to bounce your creature, then recast it to force bounce one of your opponents. Between those two and 16 counterspells, the deck effectively shut down opponents decks.
And the booklet that came with it, accidentally spoiled a card from Urza block (Raven Familiar) in the upgrade suggestions.
I really miss Tempest block, sure the block was overpowered, but the power was evenly distributed between all five colors leading to a balanced environment. Heck, the big deck of the era was five color green featuring Oath of Druids, but it had to compete with Sligh, White Weenie, Shadow, Sui-Black, Slivers, Stompy, and monoblue control, it was awesome. Then Urza block came around and broke everything. >.<
But I digress, and getting off topic.
Anyway, as I said, 40 card decks were a failure because people can't pick them up and play in FNM.
I don't like 40 card precons as well, but that is where in the included insert, WOTC might state that you are supposed to buy a second one and mix them up to get to 60 cards, or to just go buy the Planeswalker decks from the regular expansion sets as the next step.
It also doesn't mean that WOTC won't make stupid decisions. There is a chance that core 2019 might be a set of 5 40 card decks, with 30 of the card being the exact cards from the welcome deck.
Nah, or else they wouldn't have said "More information available closer to release", compared to Planeswalker decks from the Dominaria WPN page, which has the same content information as all other current planeswalker decks. It is obvious that something is going to be different about the Core 2019 planeswalker decks.
It would more likely be a pricing error if, let's say, it was supposed to be $10.99, and it said $14.99 because they forgot to edit the copy paste job to show the pricing and content changes.
Could also be that it is cheaper because it is from the core set, and not an expansion. But more info will become available as we get closer to release.
Back in theme deck era, core set theme decks cost $9.99, had 40 cards, came in groups of 5, and were always mono colored. Block expansion theme decks came usually in groups of 4, and cost $12.99. There were no color pattern restrictions that the intro packs had, meaning you can have a set that had no blue in the theme decks, like Champions of Kamigawa.
After Core 2019, I really hope they go back to this model. I disliked planeswalker decks because they took away a few things:
Variety (2 per set vs 4 or 5 per set)
Unique cover artwork (One of the Hour of Devastation Planeswalker decks has Nissa as the cover artwork... AGAIN!!!)
Names (Planeswalker decks are named after the cover card, as opposed to names like Waking Nightmares, or Bant on the March, or Swift Justice etc.)
This next part about set associated precons that I hate started during the intro pack era. Jacking up the MSRP to $14.99. I don't think they are trying to improve the product by including an extra booster. They are trying to find excuses to sell the product for $14.99. Same with the bundle, the product formerly known as the fat pack. They aren't improving the product by adding a 10th booster. They just want to find a way to justify the price increase.
Here's the worst case scenario. I really hope that WOTC doesn't do something ridiculous like having the product be the 30 card welcome deck, a 10 card add-on pack to make the deck 40 cards, and include 2 boosters. The 10 card add-on pack would be the so called "planeswalker deck exclusive" cards, you know, the planeswalker, 2 rares, 3 uncommons, and 4 commons. No dual lands because these decks would be mono-colored. Now that would be WOTC trying to rip someone off, as much as um, AHL Live, I guess.
Except, the 40 card decks didn't sell well because people couldn't play them out of the box. The old 60 pre-cons were much better. I still remember the Tempest era precons, the blue one from Exodus was so awesome. Sure, it contained 26 islands, but the rest was pure value, including two rares that comboed well together (Erratic Portal and Equilibrium). The combo worked by using the artifact to bounce your creature, then recast it to force bounce one of your opponents. Between those two and 16 counterspells, the deck effectively shut down opponents decks.
And the booklet that came with it, accidentally spoiled a card from Urza block (Raven Familiar) in the upgrade suggestions.
I really miss Tempest block, sure the block was overpowered, but the power was evenly distributed between all five colors leading to a balanced environment. Heck, the big deck of the era was five color green featuring Oath of Druids, but it had to compete with Sligh, White Weenie, Shadow, Sui-Black, Slivers, Stompy, and monoblue control, it was awesome. Then Urza block came around and broke everything. >.<
But I digress, and getting off topic.
Anyway, as I said, 40 card decks were a failure because people can't pick them up and play in FNM.
I don't like 40 card precons as well, but that is where in the included insert, WOTC might state that you are supposed to buy a second one and mix them up to get to 60 cards, or to just go buy the Planeswalker decks from the regular expansion sets as the next step.
It also doesn't mean that WOTC won't make stupid decisions. There is a chance that core 2019 might be a set of 5 40 card decks, with 30 of the card being the exact cards from the welcome deck.
And it is more likely that it is not as the backlash would be enormous. Well, large anyway. If it is forty card decks again, people are going to complain, a lot. Doubly so if they instruct people to purchase a planeswalker deck or another 40 card deck and mix them together to play in FNM.
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Would it not make sense for WotC to start with the deck builder toolkit and then pick up an intro deck to expand towards FNM. If the progression is DBT (sample of cards to practice with) to intro (pick the color you like to expand your deck with important staples) to packs (chance of rates and mythics) so that each product builds on the others, rather than compete or replace it.
Would it not make sense for WotC to start with the deck builder toolkit and then pick up an intro deck to expand towards FNM. If the progression is DBT (sample of cards to practice with) to intro (pick the color you like to expand your deck with important staples) to packs (chance of rates and mythics) so that each product builds on the others, rather than compete or replace it.
The whole point of the decks are that newbies can play them straight out of the box. If they need to buy additional product to build a valid deck, it kind of defeats the purpose of having them in the first place.
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5 decks, cycle of either mono-color, ally-color pairs, or enemy-color pairs. Mostly using Gatewatch characters, because core sets have always involved the "main character" planeswalkers; the only two core set planeswalkers who haven't been a member of the Lorwyn 5 and/or the Gatewatch have been Nicol Bolas and Sorin. I think the price change will just be to make them even more enticing to new players, since they'll be core-set cards and not of much value to anyone else. It's the same reason an event deck was more expensive than an intro pack; better cards. I could also see them going down to one booster instead of two. Either way, I really doubt they'll be anything other than 60 cards.
For color, mono-color would certainly make sense, and they might do that as a "this game is easier to learn with one color" kind of thing. On the other hand, they have really been enjoying doing 2-color ones, even for monocolor walkers; monocolor is really limiting on deck design. If they do end up with 2-color, I predict enemy-color. Why? Because every Gatewatch planeswalker deck so far has been enemy-color. So that would put us at something like this:
White-Red: Chandra or Gideon (both have a white-red planeswalker deck)
Blue-Green: Nissa (she's been blue-green herself once, and has now gotten two blue-green planeswalker decks)
Black-Green: Liliana (her planeswalker deck is black-green)
Blue-Red: Jace (he had a strong association with the Izzet guild back on Ravnica)
That leaves only white-black for a non-Gatewatch member to fill. My money would be on Sorin; he's been in a core set before, and he fits in perfectly color-wise.
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Planeswalkers are one of the greater unsolved issues of core sets - in the past there have been five-card cycles of planeswalkers which is above average even for a large set and eats up a lot of the planeswalker slots for a year.
I'm going to assume that new core sets will dare more of the things we have seen creep in in the past like gold multicolor etc. So maybe we could see core sets be themed around planeswalker vs. planeswalker storylines so they only *need* two and could have an auxiliary slot. Or maybe they'll just let loose all the rules and let the anniversary year go overboard with fifteen planeswalkers. *shrug*
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Personally I think that your guess with two to three planeswalkers in the core set is the most likely one as the standard. It is fairly easy to make a story about two or three planeswalkers who have come into some form of conflict, and even introduce new planeswalkers this way.
I think the core will have both planeswalkers, legendary creatures, and gold cards, but that they will be fairly simple in their design compared to the higher complexity of the other standard legal sets. Cards that are easy to build around, and show of how the colors interact or work.
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Does this mean we are going back to the days when we had a different kind of precon for core sets as opposed to regular expansions? You know, the ones where core set precons came in groups of 5, mono colored, and had 40 cards, while the other sets had 4 60 card precons each, exception being that now the other sets would probably still be 2 planeswalker decks costing $14.99 each, although I would rather have all sets have 5 60 card precons costing $10.99 each. If not, then the non-core sets should have 4 precons costing $12.99 each.
All I care about is that WOTC releases 4 or 5 precons per set, making them cost $13.99 or less, and include functional packaging.
Or more likely, two planeswalker precons, five of each.
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And more, those were just some examples.
We haven't consistently had that kind of stuff to keep sets and Standard clearly fulfilling color roles/needs and such.
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Still doesn't justify the $10.99 price tag, and the change in configuration, and not mentioning the contents in the wpn page.
However they do it, there should be 4 or 5 per set, and they should cost less than $14.
I'm not sure I can see Wizards not doing a whole 5-color cycle in the core set. Maybe they'd do 3 in the set and put the two missing colors in the planeswalker decks so they don't dump 5 "good" planeswalkers on standard all at once.
Standard - RIP Cat
Modern - Death & Taxes
Commander - Mazirek, Trostani, Angry Omnath
I know, It was just my nostalgia that spoke^^
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Or it could, you know, be a pricing error.
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I doubt either is ever coming back, but who knows. Both seem to complicated for new players.
I'm really looking forward to this core set. Hopefully, modern gets a few tools out of it.
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I was joking. They were both very troubling mechanics WotC said would not bring back, at best with an improved version of them.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I second this.
Also I do like that with supplemental products and no core they may have used up design space on cards that would never get printed in a Standard set - like Scourge of Nel Toth which can now easily just be reprinted and voila.
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Nah, or else they wouldn't have said "More information available closer to release", compared to Planeswalker decks from the Dominaria WPN page, which has the same content information as all other current planeswalker decks. It is obvious that something is going to be different about the Core 2019 planeswalker decks.
It would more likely be a pricing error if, let's say, it was supposed to be $10.99, and it said $14.99 because they forgot to edit the copy paste job to show the pricing and content changes.
Could also be that it is cheaper because it is from the core set, and not an expansion. But more info will become available as we get closer to release.
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Back in theme deck era, core set theme decks cost $9.99, had 40 cards, came in groups of 5, and were always mono colored. Block expansion theme decks came usually in groups of 4, and cost $12.99. There were no color pattern restrictions that the intro packs had, meaning you can have a set that had no blue in the theme decks, like Champions of Kamigawa.
After Core 2019, I really hope they go back to this model. I disliked planeswalker decks because they took away a few things:
Variety (2 per set vs 4 or 5 per set)
Unique cover artwork (One of the Hour of Devastation Planeswalker decks has Nissa as the cover artwork... AGAIN!!!)
Names (Planeswalker decks are named after the cover card, as opposed to names like Waking Nightmares, or Bant on the March, or Swift Justice etc.)
This next part about set associated precons that I hate started during the intro pack era. Jacking up the MSRP to $14.99. I don't think they are trying to improve the product by including an extra booster. They are trying to find excuses to sell the product for $14.99. Same with the bundle, the product formerly known as the fat pack. They aren't improving the product by adding a 10th booster. They just want to find a way to justify the price increase.
Here's the worst case scenario. I really hope that WOTC doesn't do something ridiculous like having the product be the 30 card welcome deck, a 10 card add-on pack to make the deck 40 cards, and include 2 boosters. The 10 card add-on pack would be the so called "planeswalker deck exclusive" cards, you know, the planeswalker, 2 rares, 3 uncommons, and 4 commons. No dual lands because these decks would be mono-colored. Now that would be WOTC trying to rip someone off, as much as um, AHL Live, I guess. The funny thing is, I would still actually buy it, due to the nature of it being a set associated preconstructed deck.
Except, the 40 card decks didn't sell well because people couldn't play them out of the box. The old 60 pre-cons were much better. I still remember the Tempest era precons, the blue one from Exodus was so awesome. Sure, it contained 26 islands, but the rest was pure value, including two rares that comboed well together (Erratic Portal and Equilibrium). The combo worked by using the artifact to bounce your creature, then recast it to force bounce one of your opponents. Between those two and 16 counterspells, the deck effectively shut down opponents decks.
And the booklet that came with it, accidentally spoiled a card from Urza block (Raven Familiar) in the upgrade suggestions.
I really miss Tempest block, sure the block was overpowered, but the power was evenly distributed between all five colors leading to a balanced environment. Heck, the big deck of the era was five color green featuring Oath of Druids, but it had to compete with Sligh, White Weenie, Shadow, Sui-Black, Slivers, Stompy, and monoblue control, it was awesome. Then Urza block came around and broke everything. >.<
But I digress, and getting off topic.
Anyway, as I said, 40 card decks were a failure because people can't pick them up and play in FNM.
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I don't like 40 card precons as well, but that is where in the included insert, WOTC might state that you are supposed to buy a second one and mix them up to get to 60 cards, or to just go buy the Planeswalker decks from the regular expansion sets as the next step.
It also doesn't mean that WOTC won't make stupid decisions. There is a chance that core 2019 might be a set of 5 40 card decks, with 30 of the card being the exact cards from the welcome deck.
And it is more likely that it is not as the backlash would be enormous. Well, large anyway. If it is forty card decks again, people are going to complain, a lot. Doubly so if they instruct people to purchase a planeswalker deck or another 40 card deck and mix them together to play in FNM.
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The whole point of the decks are that newbies can play them straight out of the box. If they need to buy additional product to build a valid deck, it kind of defeats the purpose of having them in the first place.
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5 decks, cycle of either mono-color, ally-color pairs, or enemy-color pairs. Mostly using Gatewatch characters, because core sets have always involved the "main character" planeswalkers; the only two core set planeswalkers who haven't been a member of the Lorwyn 5 and/or the Gatewatch have been Nicol Bolas and Sorin. I think the price change will just be to make them even more enticing to new players, since they'll be core-set cards and not of much value to anyone else. It's the same reason an event deck was more expensive than an intro pack; better cards. I could also see them going down to one booster instead of two. Either way, I really doubt they'll be anything other than 60 cards.
For color, mono-color would certainly make sense, and they might do that as a "this game is easier to learn with one color" kind of thing. On the other hand, they have really been enjoying doing 2-color ones, even for monocolor walkers; monocolor is really limiting on deck design. If they do end up with 2-color, I predict enemy-color. Why? Because every Gatewatch planeswalker deck so far has been enemy-color. So that would put us at something like this:
White-Red: Chandra or Gideon (both have a white-red planeswalker deck)
Blue-Green: Nissa (she's been blue-green herself once, and has now gotten two blue-green planeswalker decks)
Black-Green: Liliana (her planeswalker deck is black-green)
Blue-Red: Jace (he had a strong association with the Izzet guild back on Ravnica)
That leaves only white-black for a non-Gatewatch member to fill. My money would be on Sorin; he's been in a core set before, and he fits in perfectly color-wise.