This, right here. Exactly, you were in a forum dedicated to discussing the competetive nature of certain cards to build a competetive deck. That is not this place. Nobody, NOBODY, even you, can determine the playability of a card without playtesting. You are lying to yourself if you don't believe that statement. Furthermore, the whole damn set hasn't even been spoiled yet. How the hell do you know that more cards wouldn't be printed to create a deck where this will find a home and be a cog. You don't, and that's the most factual point in this whole entire thread, and it applies to every single one of us. We can speculate, and analyze. This thread has EDH folks, it has Modern Folks, Standard, Casual, Variant, etc. This card will find a home in a few of those formats, and in an even larger amount of decks. I mean, me, right here, I'll play this card. I have a modern burn deck, I don't play often but I can sweep some FNM's and my local shops league pretty easily, so, competetive. I've jund in some Jund, Birthing Pod decks, Amulet Bloom. That has never deterred me from being objective with my observations. Lots of cards are bad, true, but like I said, negativity is easy, complaining is easy. What's hard is seeing the good, because sometimes, you've got to dig really deep.
Oh my god, you're such a mover of goalposts. I said this card would be played in commander and perhaps standard, I didn't say this card wouldn't find a home in some formats. IF I DID, QUOTE ME AND PROVE IT. YES, we can SPECULATE, your speculation was TERRIBLE. You said the card would see play in eternal formats. ALRIGHT. WHICH DECK? I'm asking you again because apparently it is easier to deflect than to GIVE ME AN ANSWER. WHERE are you playing this card? Are you playing in affinity? Burn? Zoo? Tron? Vintage tinker storm? Perhaps you're gonna make a brew? Are you brewing the spiketail hatchling deck? Do you think that deck will be playable in modern? If so, why? Please explain? There is a difference between speculating the viability of cards and just saying random things and being affected after the fact when people call you out on it.
You haven't provided me a single shell so far for me to believe your 'speculation' of this card seeing play. How am I suppose to take you seriously? THE VERY FIRST thing I did on the merfolk thread was provide a decklist and explain my choices as to why I put some cards in or out. This isn't a deckbuilding thread, so I won't ask you this much, but you haven't even given me a vague idea of what your 'eternal format deck' is gonna try to do. I'm gonna wait forever until you actually address my points, because so far the only thing you could was say 'you don't really know if this card will be playable' without providing reasons as to why I should believe it will be. Christ, just admit that you were wrong and the card is not playable in eternal formats and we can move on.
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Look, dude. You may even have a good point to make under all the posturing, but the way you use language is such that it's going to rile people up and the point gets lost.
I'd liken reading your comments to reading a clickbait-y YouTube video title. They all start with "wowww you are so wrong", "you have no idea how wrong you are" or "ha!" or something similar. It's all dramatic posturing, basically empty emotional putdowns and frankly it's an irritating way to communicate because it belittles the people you are talking to, eroding any point you were trying to make.
If you want people (not just here but anywhere) to have a measured conversation with you, without people attacking you over your comments, just tone it down and use some more reasonable, perhaps even formal language. Don't try to pass off your opinions or speculation as hyper-informed fact, don't swagger your words to make it sound like you know better. Be reasonable and you'll see a difference.
With regards to the card, I really like this for my mono red commander deck. I run a Kodo, bandit warlord in the 99 and I'm always looking for something spicy to fetch. Nice!
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Look, dude. You may even have a good point to make under all the posturing, but the way you use language is such that it's going to rile people up and the point gets lost.
I'd liken reading your comments to reading a clickbait-y YouTube video title. They all start with "wowww you are so wrong", "you have no idea how wrong you are" or "ha!" or something similar. It's all dramatic posturing, basically empty emotional putdowns and frankly it's an irritating way to communicate because it belittles the people you are talking to, eroding any point you were trying to make.
If you want people (not just here but anywhere) to have a measured conversation with you, without people attacking you over your comments, just tone it down and use some more reasonable, perhaps even formal language. Don't try to pass off your opinions or speculation as hyper-informed fact, don't swagger your words to make it sound like you know better. Be reasonable and you'll see a difference.
With regards to the card, I really like this for my mono red commander deck. I run a Kodo, bandit warlord in the 99 and I'm always looking for something spicy to fetch. Nice!
Except that my response in this thread was nothing like that. I only started to answer more incisively after buffsam said I was a complaining, non-creative person because I couldn't see the spiketail hatchling deck where this dagger would play and create the apparently new u/w control shell in modern. In short, respect is a two-way street, if he wanted me to respect his opinion he shouldn't have started by criticizing me with personal attacks following it up with bad claims of the viability of this card.
Besides, so far he hasn't being able to defend his claim, only deflect. You and others also haven't said if you agree or not with him regarding the competitive nature of this card and explained why or why not. You said you will play it in Godo. Sure. Perfectly fine card for that. However, you're talking about commander, not modern. So, I assume you agree with me?
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And I'm aware Aid is rotating, but really, this is busted. 0/2 tokens for the opponent won't matter when your dropping 6cmc bombs on turn 3...
Whut? Thats an awesome idea! I will definetly make a frontier-Deck for this combo! thxs!
In Eternal you can even equip a Sword of This and Tthat onto the Ornithopter to protect it and then equip two more swords on Turn 3!
Actually, that sounds reasonable, may need to add memnite and some form of Apostle's Blessing effect just to smooth out draws.
Memnite is not great for this purpose in 2p when this gives them 2 ground blockers. If a backup plan for the Thopter is required, better to spend 1 mana and get something the plants can't block.
Memnite is not great for this purpose in 2p when this gives them 2 ground blockers. If a backup plan for the Thopter is required, better to spend 1 mana and get something the plants can't block.
Actually... this will work. It's all based on connecting with an opponent. Therefore, t1 Aid and Memnite Land. T2 Land, declare attackers, wait for opponents to assign no blockers, flash this in because of Aid. Boom.
Good point. Forgot all about the flash ability of Aid, just the free attach.
This "combo" also holds up with Kobolds and Legate cycle, beyond Orni/Memn. Adding a SSG or ESG(depending on format) adds consistency to the turn-2 flip. Drop a "free" creature turn 1 with a land and SSG/ESG acceleration to drop the equip. Turn 2, equip and you're off to, although the blockers would remain. I do like the "may" clause, it keeps the aggressive approach until you need that mana, for instance if you don't have a threat in hand.
Now, if only here was a card that card about 0 cost creatures or free cast creatures. Preferably something that cantrips, or loots at worst.
The more I look at it, and it's funny that I say this, but this has a very "summer bloom" feel to it. It's more mana-intensive, but that's negated via Aid, and I'd say at that point it's a wash. Connecting with a creature vs. having 3 lands in hand. Not being legendary is HUGE!
Consider this, the creature equipped has Double Strike, you connect and it flips during the "First Strike", tap for mana after it flips, flash in another copy, or THIS it's gets attached and connects to either flip another or untap/opp. Discard.
See, that took 4+ posts from a handful of users to find these pretty sweet interactions. It's easy to write it off and just complain or be negative, usually in the for of one post.
I also think the deck will want a copy or 2 of Leyline of Anticipation. That gives you pseudo-haste, and can really take advantage of the cards without evasion.
See, that took 4+ posts from a handful of users to find these pretty sweet interactions. It's easy to write it off and just complain or be negative, usually in the for of one post.
Complex, multiple cards combo made-up of otherwise do-nothing cards, that gets disrupted by a bolt or push. You sure showed him!
Combo need to be resilient or have multiple replaceable parts or play card that are otehrwise reasoable play. Ornithopter alone is crap. Aid alone is crap. Leyline by itself is a useless self-mulligan.
Ashiok's point about empty "might be eternal playable" without actual decks was on-point. People whine about negativity being easy, but empty hype is at the same level. Everyone can say "this may be playable". Every card may be playable.
See, that took 4+ posts from a handful of users to find these pretty sweet interactions. It's easy to write it off and just complain or be negative, usually in the for of one post.
Complex, multiple cards combo made-up of otherwise do-nothing cards, that gets disrupted by a bolt or push. You sure showed him!
Combo need to be resilient or have multiple replaceable parts or play card that are otehrwise reasoable play. Ornithopter alone is crap. Aid alone is crap. Leyline by itself is a useless self-mulligan.
Ashiok's point about empty "might be eternal playable" without actual decks was on-point. People whine about negativity being easy, but empty hype is at the same level. Everyone can say "this may be playable". Every card may be playable.
Who the hell cares if this takes down some GP or competetive tourney? God Damn, you people are ridiculous. Why even waste the key strokes there bud? Seriously. You showed me, you know what, if I pull this card, I'll just light on fire! How about that? Ill show all of you!!! Hahahahaha! What it will do is help you win some games amongst friends, or at your local shops FNMs, or maybe even find itself in a rouge deck that brings down a tiered deck. The point is, people are going to play with it, regardless of how you feel about it. If it makes it into one persons Modern/Legacy/Vintage(ha) deck, then you are proven wrong.
Like, skip the card, skip the page. Do something constructive, ya know? I see a ton of cards that I don't like or will probably never play with. Guess what, I don't even waste my time commenting on them. Nope, not you and your pal there Ashiok. I don't know what your trying to prove. The card isn't a competetive staple? Whoopededoooooooooooo. You are so insightful, so very very smart. Would you prefer a medal, or a cookie? Name on the front page? 50% control of the company? You gunna pin this on the fridge? For reals man.
You want to discuss how bad this card is in a particular format, clog those damn threads, not the spoiler thread. I mean, have you played it yet? You proxy it, put another 56 cards around it? No you haven't. And you won't because of your preconceived notion that it's bad, which is fine, for you, and only you. You sure as hell do not speak for everybody on this forum, sorry to burst your bubble.
See, that took 4+ posts from a handful of users to find these pretty sweet interactions. It's easy to write it off and just complain or be negative, usually in the for of one post.
Complex, multiple cards combo made-up of otherwise do-nothing cards, that gets disrupted by a bolt or push. You sure showed him!
Combo need to be resilient or have multiple replaceable parts or play card that are otehrwise reasoable play. Ornithopter alone is crap. Aid alone is crap. Leyline by itself is a useless self-mulligan.
Ashiok's point about empty "might be eternal playable" without actual decks was on-point. People whine about negativity being easy, but empty hype is at the same level. Everyone can say "this may be playable". Every card may be playable.
It's almost like others don't adhere to your form of fun in this game and can play with the card in their own ways with others on their own time, not in some Grand Prix or Pro Tour.
See, that took 4+ posts from a handful of users to find these pretty sweet interactions. It's easy to write it off and just complain or be negative, usually in the for of one post.
Complex, multiple cards combo made-up of otherwise do-nothing cards, that gets disrupted by a bolt or push. You sure showed him!
Combo need to be resilient or have multiple replaceable parts or play card that are otehrwise reasoable play. Ornithopter alone is crap. Aid alone is crap. Leyline by itself is a useless self-mulligan.
Ashiok's point about empty "might be eternal playable" without actual decks was on-point. People whine about negativity being easy, but empty hype is at the same level. Everyone can say "this may be playable". Every card may be playable.
It's almost like others don't adhere to your form of fun in this game and can play with the card in their own ways with others on their own time, not in some Grand Prix or Pro Tour.
You probably just blew his mind... It's shocking, no? Crazy thing is, this all started because I said it'd see "Standard play and be played in non-rotating formats", which as of this writing, there are over a dozen or so and more if you count variants. Nope, these dudes know all and speak for all, that's the game folks!
See, that took 4+ posts from a handful of users to find these pretty sweet interactions. It's easy to write it off and just complain or be negative, usually in the for of one post.
Complex, multiple cards combo made-up of otherwise do-nothing cards, that gets disrupted by a bolt or push. You sure showed him!
Combo need to be resilient or have multiple replaceable parts or play card that are otehrwise reasoable play. Ornithopter alone is crap. Aid alone is crap. Leyline by itself is a useless self-mulligan.
Ashiok's point about empty "might be eternal playable" without actual decks was on-point. People whine about negativity being easy, but empty hype is at the same level. Everyone can say "this may be playable". Every card may be playable.
"Every card may be playable" Um, what? A card that is designed for limited probably won't be used in Standard, and that goes for most of any cards designed for specific formats.
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This card will see play, in both standard and non-rotating formats.
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I picture this slotting into UW control shell but with a higher creature count.
Cards like these can be backbones of soon-to-be tier 1 decks. Summer Bloom comes to mind, bet when that was applied you didn't say "This card will get banned".
This card will see play, in both standard and non-rotating formats.
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I picture this slotting into UW control shell but with a higher creature count.
Cards like these can be backbones of soon-to-be tier 1 decks. Summer Bloom comes to mind, bet when that was applied you didn't say "This card will get banned".
Who the hell cares if this takes down some GP or competetive tourney?
You started by claiming it will be competitive, and when challenged you jump ship and claim you were arguing about kitchen tables.
Strange, I mean you quoted it, but where did I say competetive? I don't even think it was ever implied, other than the comment about back-bone. I mean, right? Do my eyes decisive me here? Is it typed in invisible font? Pretty sure I've been straight forward with every comment, nice try though ;).
Also didn't really imply this was only for Kitchen tables, either. If you put as much effort into brewing with this card as you did with this lame attempt poke holes, well, never mind, it's still just easier to complain.
I mean, the hack job here is outstanding. Cherry picking at its finest.
Cards like these can be backbones of soon-to-be tier 1 decks. Summer Bloom comes to mind, bet when that was applied you didn't say "This card will get banned".
Strange, I mean you quoted it, but where did I say competetive? I don't even think it was ever implied, other than the comment about back-bone. I mean, right? Do my eyes decisive me here? Is it typed in invisible font? Pretty sure I've been straight forward with every comment, nice try though ;).
It really is a treat to watch people trying to backtrack on their comments that were posted in a public forum. Pro-tip: cards that are the backbone of tier1 decks are considered competitive material. Please, keep doing the mental gymnastics. This is some Donald Trump level stuff right here.
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Mental gymnastics, huh? Try "reading comprehension", and "Cherry Picking". That was clearly a statement to show how undervalued cards can become key players in competetive decks, you are going to tell you know no future sets will print cards to that will make this shine? Not a chance, Nostradamus. It's obvious, man, don't be ignorant. I get it, you want to fire back with something, but this isn't it. Call my grandmother old or something, it's at least rooted in facts. This is a reach.
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The comments of how the recent sets are dedicating more and more slots to commander decks start to have basis in reality. This card is completely tailored for multiplayer commander. Sure, maybe someone can find a way to make this work in 1v1 constructed, but doesn't seem great giving your opponent two free blockers. And you would need the land for a ramp deck, but then you need a creature to attack with it, etc. In short, card is all over the place, but will be funny in commander.
As a sidenote, first wizards let pterodactyls slide as dinosaurs, now they're giving support to the pseudoscience of dowsing? tsk, tsk. Is WoTC trolling scientists? heh (though to be fair some people that 'defend' dowsing claim that it works with leylines, which is pure nonsense in the real world, but they do exist in Magic and... oh, leyline reprints incoming?)
This card will see play, in both standard and non-rotating formats. For a guy who complains as much as you do, I'd think you would be a bit more creative instead of writing off cards during spoiler season. 0/2 ground bodies mean absolutely nothing when they're staring down Tron-esque mana generation on turn 3.
There is absolutely no reason for this to not be flipped turn-2 with proper support. This isn't Sin Prodder level of support needed, and the payoff is quite powerful. It allows you to Cancel the next spell, I picture this slotting into UW control shell but with a higher creature count. Sticking this on Spiketail Hatchling for instance. It has serious potential.
Hah! Please tell me what deck from a non-rotating format wants this card? I see you mention an affinity-esque Shell. If you put this card in such shell, what is the extra mana for? And a control deck will play this? Lol. Nope. No way. A dead card on most situations. This card has a decent flavor and fun concept, but it is not competitive material.
This is why folks here paint you as a "complainer", or more aptly, a negative Nancy. You don't know that anything you just said is certain, yet you parade your words and insight around as though it's fact. It's speculation, on both sides. However, those praising its capabilities rarely do so with your type of "bravado". "Card looks good, can't wait to try it out" "This could really work, can't wait to see" "I'll be trying this in X, Y, Z". Not "wow, you guys have no idea what your talking about, this card is going to set Vintage on fire! Breaks out dah ban hammah".
Like, I get it. It's easy to complain and be negative, it requires no work. We all know you won't be here to "eat crow" if this happens to star, so regardless of how intelligent you make yourself sound, your nothing more than a troll.
Also, if you'd like to be taken more seriously, or to not be constantly hated on, don't start your responses with "Ha!".
Cards like these can be backbones of soon-to-be tier 1 decks. Summer Bloom comes to mind, bet when that was applied you didn't say "This card will get banned".
So, in short, slow your roll there pal.
Since you wanted to cherry pick, I'll do everybody the liberty of posting the whole thing. Check out those italics. Can, like, you can try harder than this.
So, I really like this card and what it does. I look forward to using it. These DFCs will fit perfectly in to an Exploration-themed deck. Land ramp and Equipment; that's my kind of GW.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Strange, I mean you quoted it, but where did I say competetive?
People will read your comments and arrive at their own opinion about your honesty.
FYI, words like "will see play, in both standard and non-rotating formats", "shell" and "tier-1" are used by everyone else but you only when talking about competitive decks. You claim you were not talking about competitive play; people will believe you. Surely.
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You haven't provided me a single shell so far for me to believe your 'speculation' of this card seeing play. How am I suppose to take you seriously? THE VERY FIRST thing I did on the merfolk thread was provide a decklist and explain my choices as to why I put some cards in or out. This isn't a deckbuilding thread, so I won't ask you this much, but you haven't even given me a vague idea of what your 'eternal format deck' is gonna try to do. I'm gonna wait forever until you actually address my points, because so far the only thing you could was say 'you don't really know if this card will be playable' without providing reasons as to why I should believe it will be. Christ, just admit that you were wrong and the card is not playable in eternal formats and we can move on.
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I'd liken reading your comments to reading a clickbait-y YouTube video title. They all start with "wowww you are so wrong", "you have no idea how wrong you are" or "ha!" or something similar. It's all dramatic posturing, basically empty emotional putdowns and frankly it's an irritating way to communicate because it belittles the people you are talking to, eroding any point you were trying to make.
If you want people (not just here but anywhere) to have a measured conversation with you, without people attacking you over your comments, just tone it down and use some more reasonable, perhaps even formal language. Don't try to pass off your opinions or speculation as hyper-informed fact, don't swagger your words to make it sound like you know better. Be reasonable and you'll see a difference.
With regards to the card, I really like this for my mono red commander deck. I run a Kodo, bandit warlord in the 99 and I'm always looking for something spicy to fetch. Nice!
Besides, so far he hasn't being able to defend his claim, only deflect. You and others also haven't said if you agree or not with him regarding the competitive nature of this card and explained why or why not. You said you will play it in Godo. Sure. Perfectly fine card for that. However, you're talking about commander, not modern. So, I assume you agree with me?
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Actually, that sounds reasonable, may need to add memnite and some form of Apostle's Blessing effect just to smooth out draws.
Actually... this will work. It's all based on connecting with an opponent. Therefore, t1 Aid and Memnite Land. T2 Land, declare attackers, wait for opponents to assign no blockers, flash this in because of Aid. Boom.
This "combo" also holds up with Kobolds and Legate cycle, beyond Orni/Memn. Adding a SSG or ESG(depending on format) adds consistency to the turn-2 flip. Drop a "free" creature turn 1 with a land and SSG/ESG acceleration to drop the equip. Turn 2, equip and you're off to, although the blockers would remain. I do like the "may" clause, it keeps the aggressive approach until you need that mana, for instance if you don't have a threat in hand.
Now all I need is Tiro derailing the thread to talk about how hot he thinks Jace is and I get a fruit basket!
Skyshroud Cutter, too. Probably easier to control what types of land you control than also depend on what your opponent controls, as Legate does.
Phyrexian Walker, too.
Now, if only here was a card that card about 0 cost creatures or free cast creatures. Preferably something that cantrips, or loots at worst.
The more I look at it, and it's funny that I say this, but this has a very "summer bloom" feel to it. It's more mana-intensive, but that's negated via Aid, and I'd say at that point it's a wash. Connecting with a creature vs. having 3 lands in hand. Not being legendary is HUGE!
Consider this, the creature equipped has Double Strike, you connect and it flips during the "First Strike", tap for mana after it flips, flash in another copy, or THIS it's gets attached and connects to either flip another or untap/opp. Discard.
See, that took 4+ posts from a handful of users to find these pretty sweet interactions. It's easy to write it off and just complain or be negative, usually in the for of one post.
I also think the deck will want a copy or 2 of Leyline of Anticipation. That gives you pseudo-haste, and can really take advantage of the cards without evasion.
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Complex, multiple cards combo made-up of otherwise do-nothing cards, that gets disrupted by a bolt or push. You sure showed him!
Combo need to be resilient or have multiple replaceable parts or play card that are otehrwise reasoable play. Ornithopter alone is crap. Aid alone is crap. Leyline by itself is a useless self-mulligan.
Ashiok's point about empty "might be eternal playable" without actual decks was on-point. People whine about negativity being easy, but empty hype is at the same level. Everyone can say "this may be playable". Every card may be playable.
Who the hell cares if this takes down some GP or competetive tourney? God Damn, you people are ridiculous. Why even waste the key strokes there bud? Seriously. You showed me, you know what, if I pull this card, I'll just light on fire! How about that? Ill show all of you!!! Hahahahaha! What it will do is help you win some games amongst friends, or at your local shops FNMs, or maybe even find itself in a rouge deck that brings down a tiered deck. The point is, people are going to play with it, regardless of how you feel about it. If it makes it into one persons Modern/Legacy/Vintage(ha) deck, then you are proven wrong.
Like, skip the card, skip the page. Do something constructive, ya know? I see a ton of cards that I don't like or will probably never play with. Guess what, I don't even waste my time commenting on them. Nope, not you and your pal there Ashiok. I don't know what your trying to prove. The card isn't a competetive staple? Whoopededoooooooooooo. You are so insightful, so very very smart. Would you prefer a medal, or a cookie? Name on the front page? 50% control of the company? You gunna pin this on the fridge? For reals man.
You want to discuss how bad this card is in a particular format, clog those damn threads, not the spoiler thread. I mean, have you played it yet? You proxy it, put another 56 cards around it? No you haven't. And you won't because of your preconceived notion that it's bad, which is fine, for you, and only you. You sure as hell do not speak for everybody on this forum, sorry to burst your bubble.
It's almost like others don't adhere to your form of fun in this game and can play with the card in their own ways with others on their own time, not in some Grand Prix or Pro Tour.
You probably just blew his mind... It's shocking, no? Crazy thing is, this all started because I said it'd see "Standard play and be played in non-rotating formats", which as of this writing, there are over a dozen or so and more if you count variants. Nope, these dudes know all and speak for all, that's the game folks!
"Every card may be playable" Um, what? A card that is designed for limited probably won't be used in Standard, and that goes for most of any cards designed for specific formats.
You started by claiming it will be competitive, and when challenged you jump ship and claim you were arguing about kitchen tables.
Strange, I mean you quoted it, but where did I say competetive? I don't even think it was ever implied, other than the comment about back-bone. I mean, right? Do my eyes decisive me here? Is it typed in invisible font? Pretty sure I've been straight forward with every comment, nice try though ;).
Also didn't really imply this was only for Kitchen tables, either. If you put as much effort into brewing with this card as you did with this lame attempt poke holes, well, never mind, it's still just easier to complain.
I mean, the hack job here is outstanding. Cherry picking at its finest.
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Reaper King (a horror story), Kaalia of the Vast (an origin story), Sequels for Innistrad (Alternative sequels for Inn), Grey Areas (Odric's fanfic), Royal Succession (goblins),The Tracker's Message (eldrazi on Innistrad) and Ugin and his Eye (the end of OGW).
Since you are ignored, forgive the indirect reply.
Mental gymnastics, huh? Try "reading comprehension", and "Cherry Picking". That was clearly a statement to show how undervalued cards can become key players in competetive decks, you are going to tell you know no future sets will print cards to that will make this shine? Not a chance, Nostradamus. It's obvious, man, don't be ignorant. I get it, you want to fire back with something, but this isn't it. Call my grandmother old or something, it's at least rooted in facts. This is a reach.
Since you wanted to cherry pick, I'll do everybody the liberty of posting the whole thing. Check out those italics. Can, like, you can try harder than this.
Anyway, so the last flip should be mono red. Lots of places on the map that it could be.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
People will read your comments and arrive at their own opinion about your honesty.
FYI, words like "will see play, in both standard and non-rotating formats", "shell" and "tier-1" are used by everyone else but you only when talking about competitive decks. You claim you were not talking about competitive play; people will believe you. Surely.