I was talking to a friend about the cost of Legacy, and various budget options available to players that can't afford a full Legacy deck. There were the obvious things that came up like replacing duals with shocks and so on, but we ended up talking about the reserved list, and how necessary it was. For me, as a player who mostly just proxies legacy decks and plays with people in casual games, I love the idea of reprinting various cards on the reserved list, specifically the ABU duals. I do realize that the reserved list exists, but there is some reason to believe that this could actually happen. First of all, WotC has gone on record saying that they wouldn't reprint Mana Drain, although it isn't on the reserved list, and we now know that it is getting reprinted in Iconic Masters. This feels like it could have been a test to see how it would effect the price of a card that they said they would never reprint, and it actually did not make a huge difference in the price of the card. Second of all, WotC is now actually supporting the legacy format with grand prixs and such, and having legacy being more accessible to people would only benefit them in that regard. Third, while the price would see a much more significant change than mana drain, the reprinted cards would probably stabalize again as the demand for them would increase due to the newfound accessibility of legacy, as long as WotC dosen't totally overprint he reprints. Another interesting factor here is that it doesn't seem like the revised edition duals would see a super significant price drop, and it would actually be the alpha/beta duals that would see a more significant price drop because the main reason people buy those is to have access to black bordered duals, and the new reprints would be black bordered. Fourth, for the average legacy player, it seems like even if you already play legacy, this would only be a good thing because it would allow for a more diverse group of people to play with, especially at a less competitive level. I could see players getting mad if they say had just purchased a play set of underground seas, but it seems like it would help more people than it hurt. For the most part, this really seems like it would really make collectors mad, but for the average player, it would be great. Fifth, WotC would make an absolute ton of money. Since WotC no longer makes money off of the original duals, reprinting them would be a surefire way to sell an absolute ton of product. This is definitely just speculation, but I just wanted to see what other people thought about the idea of reprinting some reserved list cards like the ABU duals.
IIRC, Mark Rosewater has stated that he can't even talk about why they can't do away with the reserved list, which would point to an NDA or some other legal issue. Which means that reserved list reprints aren't happening, because lawsuits. People need to accept that, regardless of whether things on the reserved list need to be reprinted, none of it will be reprinted. If that means some eternal formats will die, then, well... sadly, that means some eternal formats will die.
Okay, well thanks for the information, but I'm not saying they should do away with it altogether, just take off a few cards that are truly necessary to Legacy, and are currently way too expensive for the average player. Also, they have removed cards from the reserved list in past, so I am a bit confused there, is the legal issue actually removing them, or the change in card value, because it seems that if the issue was with removing items from the reserved list that they would have had issues in the past.
It helps to understand how the Reserved List came about.
Short story....
After Chronicles was printed, a number of investors (calling themselves collectors) became upset since the reprints caused the price of the earlier printings to drop significantly. The fear amongst investors was that such reprints would cause an economic collapse on the secondary market. It also didn't help matters any when investors spend $50 on a card only to watch it lose half the value after a reprint. Remember, this was at a time when Shivan Dragon was still considered far more powerful than Black Lotus.
In an attempt to quell investors fears and, in WotC's eyes, help protect their game for the long term, WotC created the Reserved List. For a time, every new set printed would have at least 25% of its cards added to RL. IIRC, this was a mix of rares and uncommons.
This practice continued until Mercadian Masques in 2002 when WotC finally stopped adding cards. With overwhelming support, some cards were also removed from the list.
My opinion....
The list is now at a point where it going to be an all or nothing deal. You can't selectively remove some, but not others. What would you remove? I play a Legacy deck where the Duals only make up about $500 or so, maybe less, but the deck itself is worth over $3000. Hi Tabernacle!
Moving along...
There is no NDA. If there is one, it would be with Hasbro. The reason I believe this is that Maro and WotC freely spoke about and against the RL for years. Then one day, WotC simply circled the wagons and clammed up tighter than Area 51.
There is not nor was there ever a legal action taken against WotC for the creation of the RL. The NDA would've been created then, not years later. I don't even think there's any legal blah-blah-blah-take-your-pick-nonsense behind all of this. It's all garbage.
The closest, most convincing, argument I've seen proffered is that the RL is a promise. Getting rid of the RL is the same as breaking a promise. What happens if WotC makes another promise? Like say... the new logo will never be applied to the card backs? How good is that promise if they abolish the RL? Itself a promise?
Whatever entanglements WotC/Hasbro found themselves in over the RL, it's not going to be anything we think it is. I think when the Wizard behind the curtain is finally revealed, there are going to be a lot of ticked off people.
I have my own amusing theory, but that is another thread for another time.
My personal belief is that there is a corporate policy (i.e. WotC) to not openly discuss the reserve list policy because nothing good would come out of that conversation (piss off the plaintiffs, collectors, and/or player base). This would be similar to what happens at some other companies, that some policies are highly confidential with penalty of termination if breached.
I speculate at some point they would print this:
"Like a Volcanic Island and Shivan Reef, but not."
Land (not a fetchable land)
Tap: Add R or U
They've been big on entering tapped for a while to slow things down or other conditional ETB tapped like shock lands which are fetchable and check lands (not fetchable). Eliminating the land subtype solves the fetch land "problem" in non-standard environments and the fact it's a functional reprint of ABU lands. I would rank power in this order: Volcanic Island > Steam Vents >= This land > check, bounce, scry lands etc. > Shivan Reef >> uncommon ETBT lands.
In Standard I would suspect people would run playsets of the mana they needed unless they have land fetching for basics built into their deck. I don't think this would be too powerful for standard. These cards would be expensive for sure and in demand, but oh man would you get a lot of boosters opened! Think of Kahns and RtR with the fetch and shock lands respectively. In Modern, I think this would still be played but to a lesser extent than fetch/shock land combo depending on the deck and ETB trigger combos being played. In Legacy, this would be the budget ABU land and be similar to the Legacy playing experience prior to the fetch lands existence. I think not being able to fetch alone is enough of a draw back.
Your best bet is something along the lines of a Commander set printing of "Yoggmoth's Bayou - Legendary Land -- Swamp Forest".
For 'we want casuals to be able to find this product on store shelves' reasons it is hard to get something like that into Commander, but Conspiracy 3 - Commander edition (or some other commander focused booster product that isn't standard legal) might see something like that. It is pushing it WRT the reserved list but probably possible.
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The other issue with commander printings is Wizards' policy of making those decks for about two months and scrapping the printers after for another Masters set. Could never find Atraxa's deck because its run was from about November to December 2016.
If you want to complain about a card being on the list that shouldn't be the card you are looking for is Thunder Spirit...
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
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An idea to circumvent the Reserve List without Legacy and Vintage effectively dying would be to organize non-sanctioned tourneys. These sanctioned formats are fated to die one day or another anyway (be it in 10 or XX years) outside of MTGO.
I've been thinking for nearly a year now about organizing a non-sanctioned Legacy tourney with good prize support (I'm willing to lose money organizing it, no worries about that), and would distribute a "proxy pack" containing various Reserve List cards (4 of each Biland, Tabernacle, Drop of Honey, Mox Diamond...), making sure they have the same thickness, corners and about the same weight so that they're not marked cards, with no card back (left blank likely) and a "proxy" written on front or something (not that it'd fool anyone anyway, since it'd be ink jet printing).
I've read these articles from the mothership.
In the first one, they state proxies are a-ok as long as it's not a DCI-sanctioned tournament.
In the second one from 2004, they state:
Quote from "Wizards of the Coast" »
The mana symbols, tap symbol and Magic: the Gathering logo are all proprietary to Wizards of the Coast.
[...]
Making reproductions of the art images and card faces of Magic cards is an infringement of our rights and is prohibited.
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Even photocopying them to use as a “proxy” for personal use is illegal and violates our intellectual property rights.
If the proxies use different artwork, no mana symbol and tap symbol, would distribute these at a non-sanctioned tourney be ok ?
You can't use the magic frames, the mana symbols (including colored, hybrid, guild, colorless, generic, and tap symbols), or artwork.
You should be able to use the name...
But might get into trouble with set names or unique character names.
Also as a point of terminoligy... Per WoTC, a Proxy is a substitute for a real card issued by the head judge of a tournament to replace a card damaged during the event and typically is a basic land with something written on it in sharpie. They are extremely rare because they are only issued when the destruction was outside of the owners control and other such restrictions.
A card created to let someone play with a card they don't own is a counterfeit. Regardless of any attempt to pass it off as an actual copy of that card.
I would be careful of providing counterfeits to players at your events, it doesn't sound like a way to get wizards to like you.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
I guess they wouldn't like it too much, but if we want the Legacy to survive it's kinda hard to make as if we shouldn't even consider allowing proxies.
In France, saying the Legacy is not going well would be an understatement: less and less tournaments, their importance is reduced, new players have a hard time getting in (and are clearly not incentivized to). There are still very few big tourneys (like the ~450 players European championships during the Eternal week-end organized by Bazar of Moxen), but that's about it. In my city (and in the whole "Région"), there are ZERO legacy tourneys nowadays. It died.
The LGSes we have have absolutely no reason to run any Legacy events: way less players than Standard + Modern, new players can't get in (thus attendance will stay very low), and it doesn't sell a lot of new products (we can thank our Lord the Reserve List for that, I guess that makes the investors happy).
The copyright and trademark issue is the issue I'm concerned with; I was not worried about the counterfeit issue.
I'm not well-versed in the US legal system, but where I live a counterfeit is explicitly intended to deceive. There either has to be an attempt at letting the other party believe that this is an official product, or an attempt to imitate the official product. Would not using their artwork / mana symbol / tap symbol / frame still fall under that?
Not assuming anything, just asking if in the US system these would be considered counterfeits.
If they bought them to play, they wouldn't feel bad. I have a near-full playset of rev bilands bought around 2003, if they'd get reprinted I'd be fine with that. I don't intend to sell any of them anyway.
What the Reserve List does is giving a stupid advantage to people who bought cards on that list a long time ago, and denying the right to play these to most other people. This is how you kill Legacy at middle-term, for instance.
I think losing money would make almost anyone feel bad. I sold the Savannah for 70$, 80$ each for the taiga, and 60$ for each Plateau - those prices would probably get cut in half if ever the duals were reprinted. Just look at what happened with Karakas. I don't remember whom, but one of those guys only bought the duaL from me because it's a Reserved list card.
Well, almost the same as you, bought my duals more than 8 years ago for a lesser price than they are now... Reserved List keeps their prices high making investors happy, but Legacy is doomed because of that.
Of course, WotC could create a "proxy list", cards which are ok to proxy when you go into a sanctioned tournament. Heck, let them make and sell those proxies themselves with green borders or something. They could use the magic online art and look to make sure they look truly different. That way, they can keep their promise of not reprinting the originals, but people can still play with them affordably.
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The secret to enjoyable Commander games is not winning first, but losing last.
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Of course, WotC could create a "proxy list", cards which are ok to proxy when you go into a sanctioned tournament. Heck, let them make and sell those proxies themselves with green borders or something. They could use the magic online art and look to make sure they look truly different. That way, they can keep their promise of not reprinting the originals, but people can still play with them affordably.
No, that would just be WoTC reprinting them...
Printing them with a gold border (as a cube product for example) and making them officially NOT playable in sanctioned tournaments would get around the reserved list. They won't do it because they want to respect the spirit of the promise not just the letter, but anything playable in sanctioned events would violate the reserve list.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Then WotC could make somewhat functional reprints and ban the originals. Levels the playing field and preserves the format.
Banning a particular card in any format because it's on the RL is a bit silly. Ban the RL cards and you won't be too far away from Modern. As such, you might as well just reprint the "replacements" and let them enter the Modern pool. Banning cards based on cost and/or availability is also a it silly. You'll just run into one of the other formats. Legacy was formed out of Vintage because of Vintages' restricted/banned list. Removing cards because of the RL makes it a different format.
And what is considered "availability" anyways? If you have the cash, then nearly every card in any pool is readily available. If affordability is the problem, that's what pauper is for.
I think everyone sees the answer and I'm banking that Hasbro is hoping that Vintage and Legacy become entirely irrelevant and there won't be enough players that care. In which case, Modern becomes the new Vintage.
Then WotC could make somewhat functional reprints and ban the originals. Levels the playing field and preserves the format.
This is actually an interesting idea, and one that would help immensely with the cost of the RL cards. Making them illegal in tournament play would cause their prices to crash, meaning far less demand for tournament players. I also like the idea of a functional reprint (one that doesn't infringe on WotC's ill-conceived "promise"). Probably all academic, but there are certainly things WotC could do to help Legacy.
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"To make peace with the forest, make peace with me." -Multani, to Urza
Just kill the old formats and ban all the cards on the list. The prices will drop, new decks will evolve, and they will be able to reprint anything they need. I have many of the cards on the list so it would hurt my "investment" but if it brings more people to the plate it is worth it. Other cards values would increase and collectors could make a killing off of the new decks and cards... just a thought.
Geothermal Archipelago
Land
Taps to add U or R
You cannot play cards called Volcanic Island. When Goethermal Achipelago enters the battlefield sacrifice all Volcanic Islands you have in play and exile all Volcanic Islands from your graveyard.
it's strictly worse than volcanic island because it has no basic land type. you can't play it with volcanic island so it doesn't just add more duals to eternal formats. it's a budget option that could be printed in a side product.
Geothermal Archipelago
Land
Taps to add U or R
You cannot play cards called Volcanic Island. When Goethermal Achipelago enters the battlefield sacrifice all Volcanic Islands you have in play and exile all Volcanic Islands from your graveyard.
it's strictly worse than volcanic island because it has no basic land type. you can't play it with volcanic island so it doesn't just add more duals to eternal formats. it's a budget option that could be printed in a side product.
The basic land types are a huge part of why the ABU duals are so great. You cant get the land you proposed with the fetchlands, thats a pretty big deal.
Dual land type Pain Lands would be more useful I think, proabaly on par with shock lands depending on how colour intensive your deck is.
Of course, WotC could create a "proxy list", cards which are ok to proxy when you go into a sanctioned tournament. Heck, let them make and sell those proxies themselves with green borders or something. They could use the magic online art and look to make sure they look truly different. That way, they can keep their promise of not reprinting the originals, but people can still play with them affordably.
They did a long time ago. Those cards are worth a lot of money these days. They made two sets, the Collector Edition and International Edition. Both have square corners and gold boarder backs.
Geothermal Archipelago
Land
Taps to add U or R
You cannot play cards called Volcanic Island. When Goethermal Achipelago enters the battlefield sacrifice all Volcanic Islands you have in play and exile all Volcanic Islands from your graveyard.
it's strictly worse than volcanic island because it has no basic land type. you can't play it with volcanic island so it doesn't just add more duals to eternal formats. it's a budget option that could be printed in a side product.
The basic land types are a huge part of why the ABU duals are so great. You cant get the land you proposed with the fetchlands, thats a pretty big deal.
Dual land type Pain Lands would be more useful I think, proabaly on par with shock lands depending on how colour intensive your deck is.
Legendary Duals would be the way to go, people can already play rav duals if they want to bring the pain.
Vivid duals would be another way to go...
Geothermal Archipeligo
Land - Island Mountain
~ enters the battlefield with 2 charge counters.
As ~ is tapped for mana you may remove a charge counter from it, if you don't it adds C instead of any other type of mana.
But I doubt those would be popular.
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(U/B) is :symbu: or :symub: and the same is true for the other 9 hybrid symbols with their two colors in for the last 2 leters of the code. ((2/B) and co are :sym2b:)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B) T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Geothermal Archipelago
Land
Taps to add U or R
You cannot play cards called Volcanic Island. When Goethermal Achipelago enters the battlefield sacrifice all Volcanic Islands you have in play and exile all Volcanic Islands from your graveyard.
it's strictly worse than volcanic island because it has no basic land type. you can't play it with volcanic island so it doesn't just add more duals to eternal formats. it's a budget option that could be printed in a side product.
The basic land types are a huge part of why the ABU duals are so great. You cant get the land you proposed with the fetchlands, thats a pretty big deal.
Dual land type Pain Lands would be more useful I think, proabaly on par with shock lands depending on how colour intensive your deck is.
Legendary Duals would be the way to go, people can already play rav duals if they want to bring the pain.
Vivid duals would be another way to go...
Geothermal Archipeligo
Land - Island Mountain
~ enters the battlefield with 2 charge counters.
As ~ is tapped for mana you may remove a charge counter from it, if you don't it adds C instead of any other type of mana.
But I doubt those would be popular.
I don't think those work based on the rules inherently tied to the basic land words. If something is an Island Mountain, those words mean that it can always tap for blue or red.
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Short story....
After Chronicles was printed, a number of investors (calling themselves collectors) became upset since the reprints caused the price of the earlier printings to drop significantly. The fear amongst investors was that such reprints would cause an economic collapse on the secondary market. It also didn't help matters any when investors spend $50 on a card only to watch it lose half the value after a reprint. Remember, this was at a time when Shivan Dragon was still considered far more powerful than Black Lotus.
In an attempt to quell investors fears and, in WotC's eyes, help protect their game for the long term, WotC created the Reserved List. For a time, every new set printed would have at least 25% of its cards added to RL. IIRC, this was a mix of rares and uncommons.
This practice continued until Mercadian Masques in 2002 when WotC finally stopped adding cards. With overwhelming support, some cards were also removed from the list.
My opinion....
The list is now at a point where it going to be an all or nothing deal. You can't selectively remove some, but not others. What would you remove? I play a Legacy deck where the Duals only make up about $500 or so, maybe less, but the deck itself is worth over $3000. Hi Tabernacle!
Moving along...
There is no NDA. If there is one, it would be with Hasbro. The reason I believe this is that Maro and WotC freely spoke about and against the RL for years. Then one day, WotC simply circled the wagons and clammed up tighter than Area 51.
There is not nor was there ever a legal action taken against WotC for the creation of the RL. The NDA would've been created then, not years later. I don't even think there's any legal blah-blah-blah-take-your-pick-nonsense behind all of this. It's all garbage.
The closest, most convincing, argument I've seen proffered is that the RL is a promise. Getting rid of the RL is the same as breaking a promise. What happens if WotC makes another promise? Like say... the new logo will never be applied to the card backs? How good is that promise if they abolish the RL? Itself a promise?
Whatever entanglements WotC/Hasbro found themselves in over the RL, it's not going to be anything we think it is. I think when the Wizard behind the curtain is finally revealed, there are going to be a lot of ticked off people.
I have my own amusing theory, but that is another thread for another time.
I speculate at some point they would print this:
"Like a Volcanic Island and Shivan Reef, but not."
Land (not a fetchable land)
Tap: Add R or U
They've been big on entering tapped for a while to slow things down or other conditional ETB tapped like shock lands which are fetchable and check lands (not fetchable). Eliminating the land subtype solves the fetch land "problem" in non-standard environments and the fact it's a functional reprint of ABU lands. I would rank power in this order: Volcanic Island > Steam Vents >= This land > check, bounce, scry lands etc. > Shivan Reef >> uncommon ETBT lands.
In Standard I would suspect people would run playsets of the mana they needed unless they have land fetching for basics built into their deck. I don't think this would be too powerful for standard. These cards would be expensive for sure and in demand, but oh man would you get a lot of boosters opened! Think of Kahns and RtR with the fetch and shock lands respectively. In Modern, I think this would still be played but to a lesser extent than fetch/shock land combo depending on the deck and ETB trigger combos being played. In Legacy, this would be the budget ABU land and be similar to the Legacy playing experience prior to the fetch lands existence. I think not being able to fetch alone is enough of a draw back.
For 'we want casuals to be able to find this product on store shelves' reasons it is hard to get something like that into Commander, but Conspiracy 3 - Commander edition (or some other commander focused booster product that isn't standard legal) might see something like that. It is pushing it WRT the reserved list but probably possible.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
Modern: (G/U)Infect (G/U)Tron
Legacy: (U/B)Tezzeret (U/B)(W/U)Miracles(W/U)(B/G)Dredge(R/W)
Commander:(U/R)Mizzix (U/R)(W/U)Sydri(U/B)(W/U)Zur(U/B)
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
I've been thinking for nearly a year now about organizing a non-sanctioned Legacy tourney with good prize support (I'm willing to lose money organizing it, no worries about that), and would distribute a "proxy pack" containing various Reserve List cards (4 of each Biland, Tabernacle, Drop of Honey, Mox Diamond...), making sure they have the same thickness, corners and about the same weight so that they're not marked cards, with no card back (left blank likely) and a "proxy" written on front or something (not that it'd fool anyone anyway, since it'd be ink jet printing).
I've read these articles from the mothership.
In the first one, they state proxies are a-ok as long as it's not a DCI-sanctioned tournament.
In the second one from 2004, they state:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/proxies-policy-and-communication-2016-01-14
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/buyer-beware-2004-04-26
If the proxies use different artwork, no mana symbol and tap symbol, would distribute these at a non-sanctioned tourney be ok ?
You should be able to use the name...
But might get into trouble with set names or unique character names.
Also as a point of terminoligy... Per WoTC, a Proxy is a substitute for a real card issued by the head judge of a tournament to replace a card damaged during the event and typically is a basic land with something written on it in sharpie. They are extremely rare because they are only issued when the destruction was outside of the owners control and other such restrictions.
A card created to let someone play with a card they don't own is a counterfeit. Regardless of any attempt to pass it off as an actual copy of that card.
I would be careful of providing counterfeits to players at your events, it doesn't sound like a way to get wizards to like you.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
In France, saying the Legacy is not going well would be an understatement: less and less tournaments, their importance is reduced, new players have a hard time getting in (and are clearly not incentivized to). There are still very few big tourneys (like the ~450 players European championships during the Eternal week-end organized by Bazar of Moxen), but that's about it. In my city (and in the whole "Région"), there are ZERO legacy tourneys nowadays. It died.
The LGSes we have have absolutely no reason to run any Legacy events: way less players than Standard + Modern, new players can't get in (thus attendance will stay very low), and it doesn't sell a lot of new products (we can thank our Lord the Reserve List for that, I guess that makes the investors happy).
The copyright and trademark issue is the issue I'm concerned with; I was not worried about the counterfeit issue.
I'm not well-versed in the US legal system, but where I live a counterfeit is explicitly intended to deceive. There either has to be an attempt at letting the other party believe that this is an official product, or an attempt to imitate the official product. Would not using their artwork / mana symbol / tap symbol / frame still fall under that?
Not assuming anything, just asking if in the US system these would be considered counterfeits.
Have sold 2 Plateau, 2 Taiga, and 1 Savannah... just a few days ago.
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What the Reserve List does is giving a stupid advantage to people who bought cards on that list a long time ago, and denying the right to play these to most other people. This is how you kill Legacy at middle-term, for instance.
Well, almost the same as you, bought my duals more than 8 years ago for a lesser price than they are now... Reserved List keeps their prices high making investors happy, but Legacy is doomed because of that.
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Printing them with a gold border (as a cube product for example) and making them officially NOT playable in sanctioned tournaments would get around the reserved list. They won't do it because they want to respect the spirit of the promise not just the letter, but anything playable in sanctioned events would violate the reserve list.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
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Banning a particular card in any format because it's on the RL is a bit silly. Ban the RL cards and you won't be too far away from Modern. As such, you might as well just reprint the "replacements" and let them enter the Modern pool. Banning cards based on cost and/or availability is also a it silly. You'll just run into one of the other formats. Legacy was formed out of Vintage because of Vintages' restricted/banned list. Removing cards because of the RL makes it a different format.
And what is considered "availability" anyways? If you have the cash, then nearly every card in any pool is readily available. If affordability is the problem, that's what pauper is for.
I think everyone sees the answer and I'm banking that Hasbro is hoping that Vintage and Legacy become entirely irrelevant and there won't be enough players that care. In which case, Modern becomes the new Vintage.
This is actually an interesting idea, and one that would help immensely with the cost of the RL cards. Making them illegal in tournament play would cause their prices to crash, meaning far less demand for tournament players. I also like the idea of a functional reprint (one that doesn't infringe on WotC's ill-conceived "promise"). Probably all academic, but there are certainly things WotC could do to help Legacy.
I.E.
Geothermal Archipelago
Land
Taps to add U or R
You cannot play cards called Volcanic Island. When Goethermal Achipelago enters the battlefield sacrifice all Volcanic Islands you have in play and exile all Volcanic Islands from your graveyard.
it's strictly worse than volcanic island because it has no basic land type. you can't play it with volcanic island so it doesn't just add more duals to eternal formats. it's a budget option that could be printed in a side product.
The basic land types are a huge part of why the ABU duals are so great. You cant get the land you proposed with the fetchlands, thats a pretty big deal.
Dual land type Pain Lands would be more useful I think, proabaly on par with shock lands depending on how colour intensive your deck is.
They did a long time ago. Those cards are worth a lot of money these days. They made two sets, the Collector Edition and International Edition. Both have square corners and gold boarder backs.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/CE-Magic-the-Gathering-Beta-Collectors-Edition-Power-9-Set-Black-Lotus-Mox-Jet/142455062861?hash=item212afbc14d:g:aRcAAOSwAAVZbjU8#vi__app-cvip-panel
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
Vivid duals would be another way to go...
Geothermal Archipeligo
Land - Island Mountain
~ enters the battlefield with 2 charge counters.
As ~ is tapped for mana you may remove a charge counter from it, if you don't it adds C instead of any other type of mana.
But I doubt those would be popular.
Alternatively {UB} or {2B} in [mana] tags are (U/B) or (2/B)
T is :symtap: and T will give T in [mana] tags
I don't think those work based on the rules inherently tied to the basic land words. If something is an Island Mountain, those words mean that it can always tap for blue or red.