Still way glass cannon. Works greats turn 3 or 4 many a game, misses some pieces others. The tokens really are critical to have to combo off. Spawning Breath is a nice upgrade. Sideboard is still up in the air but it will need some blue bounce for sure and maybe some counter. Also needs a way to get a bigger token than a 1/1. Koth may be in the side as well as Devastating Summons. Side 15 needs some other big baddies as well. Another Emrakul and new Emrakul, maybe Griselbrand, Worldspine Wurm, Platinum Emperion or Elesh Norn. Will keep tinkering.
So I played a few games with your deck list last night, it pretty much wrecked shop on turn 3 and 4. Given I didn't play any tier 1 decks but I played 5 matches and pretty much 2-0 every game. I did try out koth instead of the spawning breath card but he really never factored in because I couldn't really protect him. The deck is fun to play, sideboard is pretty iffy.I do know we need to run artifact destruction due to grafdigger's cage shutting the combo down, so ancient grudge will be needed. May be worth running brightsteel colossus md, just to have another win con if emrakul is taken out of our hand. I know adding 3 colors is a pain and may slow things down but I still think it helps out if black is added, collective brutality can turn a game around, also helps with a creature card in hand and a little hand disruption can protect the combo too. It something to think about at least.
Yes a second copy of either Emrakul or another Biggie may be warranted. I think I am going to 4 Spawning Breath due to their instant speed. I will probably cut 1 KC and 1 DF to do so. Reason being casting a sorcery on your turn for 2 tokens (turn 2 many times) and then being tapped out and at the mercy of your opponents removal can be rough. Hold that 2 mana turn two and cast Spawning Breath on your opponents end step and you may be able to kill a 1 toughness mana dork, Bob or some other weenie AND get a token which won't be able to be removed due to opponent being tapped out. Then turn 3, drop a land, cast a ritual and sac the token to cast Creativity or Polymorph.
I think you are correct on wanting artifact destruction in the 15. Ancient Grudge sounds good. Some counter will be needed as well as some bounce in the board as well. Another 1 or 2 Biggies will be needed to side in as well to throw your opponent off what you may be casting.
One of my concerns now is Serum Visions. If you draw Emmy with one copy in the deck and you don't have a Looting or Izzet Charm available it is probably lights out. Geier Reach Sanitarium or Desolate Lighthouse just doesn't feel right. Again a second Emmy or maybe another Titan could be warranted. I'm tempted to drop the Island and run an extra copy of Emmy or maybe Ulamog too. I will try to get up a sideboard list soon. Thanks for the feedback.
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Yes a second copy of either Emrakul or another Biggie may be warranted. I think I am going to 4 Spawning Breath due to their instant speed. I will probably cut 1 KC and 1 DF to do so. Reason being casting a sorcery on your turn for 2 tokens (turn 2 many times) and then being tapped out and at the mercy of your opponents removal can be rough. Hold that 2 mana turn two and cast Spawning Breath on your opponents end step and you may be able to kill a 1 toughness mana dork, Bob or some other weenie AND get a token which won't be able to be removed due to opponent being tapped out. Then turn 3, drop a land, cast a ritual and sac the token to cast Creativity or Polymorph.
I think you are correct on wanting artifact destruction in the 15. Ancient Grudge sounds good. Some counter will be needed as well as some bounce in the board as well. Another 1 or 2 Biggies will be needed to side in as well to throw your opponent off what you may be casting.
One of my concerns now is Serum Visions. If you draw Emmy with one copy in the deck and you don't have a Looting or Izzet Charm available it is probably lights out. Geier Reach Sanitarium or Desolate Lighthouse just doesn't feel right. Again a second Emmy or maybe another Titan could be warranted. I'm tempted to drop the Island and run an extra copy of Emmy or maybe Ulamog too. I will try to get up a sideboard list soon. Thanks for the feedback.
Alright so I tinkered with the deck a little more and I went 3-0 and never lost a game, played janky mono black,bant eldrazi and affinity. On the affinity game I turn 2 emrakul, the miracle happened. This is sideboard I started with and I pretty much just side boarded in counters in ancient grudge just in case. This deck is so consistent and so much, Worldspine worm is alright but I think I rather look else for another big creature. Its hard to figure out what to side in since you don't want to ruin the combo consistency.
Khalni Garden = Turn 2 combo. No other way to do it without a token turn 1.
I'll think about Mutavault for sure. Yes Old Ulamog is probably target #2 followed by Worldspine Wurm #3. Dispel will be going into the SB as well. Guttural Response can be cast with the G mana off Khalni Garden in a pinch is why I'm considering it.
Can't play Clique, its a creature. See Beyond could be an option. I will consider it thanks.
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Very similar to your version with slight changes and the White splash.
Not sure what needs to be in the SB, needs some testing with the deck to find out it's main weaknesses (maybe Blood Moon can be a good option).
Very similar to your version with slight changes and the White splash.
Not sure what needs to be in the SB, needs some testing with the deck to find out it's main weaknesses (maybe Blood Moon can be a good option).
I rather run emrakul, the promises end just because it has protection from cards like path to exile, and other instant spells. Also the khalni garden has been huge so far, majority of the time I morph that. I think manland could be good, I think blinkmoth nexus would be better because it can fly over, but if we put blightsteel colossus in the deck, inkmoth nexus may better due to the infect.
New Emrakul doesn't work that well with Faithless Looting/Izzet Charm as it is not shuffled back after being discarded.
I don't realy like Faithless Looting anyway and consider replacing it with Peer through Depths which is admitedly slower but diggs much deeper and can be cast at instant speed to find the combo pieces.
What do you think ?
I think faithless looting is a must if you get stuck with a creature in your hand. I can see cutting it down a spot or two since we are playing izzet charm. I totally forgot about the promise end, I think ulamog is a better choice. Have you played the deck yet?
Faithless Looting is nearly a must have. If you get stuck with one (or 2 if you run 2) biggies in your hand you are screwed. Looting lets you solve that. On top of that I use Looting turn one to start to filter my deck, the Flashback is there if you need it.
I like the thought of a white splash but again I am hesitant. I want the best possible chance to combo turn 2 or 3, popping in a 3rd color will mess with that "consistency".
Original Emrakul is better as it not only shuffles herself, but ALL your GY back into your hand. I think if I go to 2 biggies, it will be 1 original Emmy and Ulamog each.
Again Khalni Garden is the only card I can find that will let me combo on turn 2. Nothing else out there I can find. It seems a necessary evil.
Lastly Blood Moon could be a sideboard option. I thought about it main deck but I think its better out of the 15. Emmy not having haste HURTS!!! Played Jund and as I predicted, Comboed on turn 3, opponent drops Lily and -2 poof goes Emmy. Comboing and losing feels BAD.
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Adding 1x Sacred Foundry that every Fetchland can get doesn't really hurt consistency imho.
#I'm still running Faithless Looting but it is the first card I usually side out together with Pyretic Ritual (I usually side out 2x of each for some counters/removal).
#Despite being 1-cmc higher See Beyond might be better to not get out of cards too quickly (having to Faithless Looting after a mulligan or two is awful).
#I haven't tried Peer through Depths yet but in some games I just couldn't find Polymorph/Indomitable Creativity and it could've helped with that.
#I very rarely have trouble with mana so maybe 8x rituals are too much and can be cut to 6x to add more cantrips (Peer through Depths/Sleight of Hand) for consistency.
#About Khalni Garden, I don't really count on comboing on turn 2 and would much rather be more consistent on turns 3 and 4 if possible.
I'm not even sure that creature-lands are necessary with 10x token-producers in the deck so I might cut down to 2x Mutavault to add a Desolate Lighthouse.
#Against Liliana you can just leave another token as backup against edict effects (also Blessed Alliance) as the spells usually produce 2x tokens. Mutavault can also save your fatty against her provided you have activation mana of course.
I actually like the thought of Peer through Depths. May try swapping out Izzet Charm for it and see what happens.
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If we run black, we could add more protection to protect the combo by adding a little hand removal plus there are other discard outlets. I can see cutting a few copies of the ritual spell.
Without Faithless Looting in the deck I can probably even add 2x Rest in Peace to the SB without it exiling my Eldrazi if I discard them (since I won't discard).
Maybe Stony Silence can be replaced since I already have 2x Wear // Tear for artifacts.
Without Faithless Looting in the deck I can probably even add 2x Rest in Peace to the SB without it exiling my Eldrazi if I discard them (since I won't discard).
Maybe Stony Silence can be replaced since I already have 2x Wear // Tear for artifacts.
The deck looks pretty good, I'll have to test it out. Now that we aren't using faithless looting, would you want to run Emrakul, the promise end now?
If we run black, we could add more protection to protect the combo by adding a little hand removal plus there are other discard outlets. I can see cutting a few copies of the ritual spell.
I went Grixis because of that. I think that beeing able to protect your gameplan is better than going all in for the combo.
How are those colors going? The people on here are leaning towards the jeskai colors
Alright I have done some playtesting tonight, my only loss was to a shotgun elemental deck and basically out raced the annihilator and out creature me. So here are my thoughst on the 3 color variations that I have tested, UR is a more consistent of turn 3 emrakul with the Khanli garden, plus I am still a fan of looting because filters the deck but see beyond was okay. Jeskai colors, it seemed slower and we don't run enough instant spells to care raise the alarm is instant. If we ran more counters or something, but I always wanted to tap out at 2 get my creatures or draw cards. White does offer better sideboard cards, I will say that. I also played a grixis variant tonight, I don't know if it was the best list of cards but it was just as slow as jeskai but it seemed more stable by playing bitter blossom and drawing into hand control like inquisition and collective brutality. This deck is basically a U/R deck with a splash of white or black. Right now, if we are splashing a 3rd color and I am leaning towards black.
just curious, if we play with khlani garden, are there any other green cards that would help us out?
Decks I played tonight
U/R: mono black 2-0 and ponza 2-0
jeskai: humans 2-0, elemental 1-2
grixis: colorless eldrazi stompy 2-0, naya zoo 2-0
Alright I have done some playtesting tonight, my only loss was to a shotgun elemental deck and basically out raced the annihilator and out creature me. So here are my thoughst on the 3 color variations that I have tested, UR is a more consistent of turn 3 emrakul with the Khanli garden, plus I am still a fan of looting because filters the deck but see beyond was okay. Jeskai colors, it seemed slower and we don't run enough instant spells to care raise the alarm is instant. If we ran more counters or something, but I always wanted to tap out at 2 get my creatures or draw cards. White does offer better sideboard cards, I will say that. I also played a grixis variant tonight, I don't know if it was the best list of cards but it was just as slow as jeskai but it seemed more stable by playing bitter blossom and drawing into hand control like inquisition and collective brutality. This deck is basically a U/R deck with a splash of white or black. Right now, if we are splashing a 3rd color and I am leaning towards black.
just curious, if we play with khlani garden, are there any other green cards that would help us out?
Decks I played tonight
U/R: mono black 2-0 and ponza 2-0
jeskai: humans 2-0, elemental 1-2
grixis: colorless eldrazi stompy 2-0, naya zoo 2-0
Well put. UR will be far more consistent on turn 3. 3 colors offers better flexibility and resiliency, but will be slower. I'm pretty much in the all in combo camp. I want Emmy asap. I'm thinking I may want to run Mass Hysteria to give me a chance for a hasted turn 3 Emmy or Ulamog. I don't want to be fair, I don't want to interact with my list, I want to drop a turn 3/4 Emmy and hope its enough. Yep glass cannon I guess.
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I wouldn't go with Mass Hysteria, you can probably use Quicken to combo off on the opponent's end step to be able to untap and attack right away.
I don't really like either of these options but Quicken is a cantrip in the worst case unlike Mass Hysteria which can either do nothing or help your opponent granting haste to his creatures.
I wouldn't go with Mass Hysteria, you can probably use Quicken to combo off on the opponent's end step to be able to untap and attack right away.
I don't really like either of these options but Quicken is a cantrip in the worst case unlike Mass Hysteria which can either do nothing or help your opponent granting haste to his creatures.
Just curious, if you play quicken, it won't really help just because with the turn 2 ideal, we won't have the mana and until turn 3. I don't think the card quicken works with this ideal. Mass hysteria is probably the best option, and our goal is to pay it down turn 1 or 2, then emrakul for the win.
Playing Mass Hysteria on turn 1 (you might not even have all the combo pieces) is just looking for trouble and I think it is just a bad card all things considered.
Comboing out on turn 2 isn't likely so I wouldn't count on it and try to add cards to make it better.
Again the ONLY way to combo on Turn 2 is through a turn 1 Khalni Garden, 2 Rituals and Creativity. You can't do it with Polymorph and you can't do it unless you have a Garden in your opening 7 (or 8 on the draw).
Mass Hysteria is not a turn 2 combo play. In a magical fairyland turn you could go turn 1 Garden, turn 2 land, ritual, ritual, ritual, Mass Hysteria, Creativity but the odds on that are probably microscopic. Mass Hysteria is more of a turn 1 or turn 2 play to set up Emmy on turn 3 or 4 with Haste. Yes it would open the door for a lot of damage versus certain decks, but against others not as much so. Burn already has hasted creatures with GG and Swiftspear. Goblins/8whack get a lot of hasted attacks with the bushwhackers. Infect could be bad. Bogles could be bad as well. I'm not sold on it but I'm going to give it some test runs.
Quicken doesn't really haste Emmy at all. I like the thought of playing it on opponents end step and cantripping but it doesn't speed things up. I want the attack on turn 3 hasted. Basically a turn 3 win. Giving Lily a chance to -2 Emmy away feels bad bad bad.
I am going to try Peer Through Depths. Filtering 5 cards deep sounds good. And although Spawning Breath is instant speed, I really need the 2 tokens instead of 1. Too much removal out there.
Hope to get a SB up there this weekend as well. Fast linear combo may not be the right way to approach the deck but I'm going to give it a shot.
Here is the current "ALL IN" version. Game one, B@lls out, side out to taste game 2/3.
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Part of me feels like there may be a need for Devastating Summons or Koth of the Hammer in the SB for cards like Night of Souls' Betrayal. I could cut the Boseijus and run a 4th Dispel for 3 of them. Also seems like I need to run at least 2 Ancient Grudge as well, although Cyclonic Rift may serve the purpose.
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Echoing Truth seems a bit better for your version as you are unlikely to "overload" Cyclonic Rift.
I would also keep an Island in the deck for Blood Moon which will prevent you from casting Polymorph/Serum Visions (and some SB cards).
So I played a few games with your deck list last night, it pretty much wrecked shop on turn 3 and 4. Given I didn't play any tier 1 decks but I played 5 matches and pretty much 2-0 every game. I did try out koth instead of the spawning breath card but he really never factored in because I couldn't really protect him. The deck is fun to play, sideboard is pretty iffy.I do know we need to run artifact destruction due to grafdigger's cage shutting the combo down, so ancient grudge will be needed. May be worth running brightsteel colossus md, just to have another win con if emrakul is taken out of our hand. I know adding 3 colors is a pain and may slow things down but I still think it helps out if black is added, collective brutality can turn a game around, also helps with a creature card in hand and a little hand disruption can protect the combo too. It something to think about at least.
I think you are correct on wanting artifact destruction in the 15. Ancient Grudge sounds good. Some counter will be needed as well as some bounce in the board as well. Another 1 or 2 Biggies will be needed to side in as well to throw your opponent off what you may be casting.
One of my concerns now is Serum Visions. If you draw Emmy with one copy in the deck and you don't have a Looting or Izzet Charm available it is probably lights out. Geier Reach Sanitarium or Desolate Lighthouse just doesn't feel right. Again a second Emmy or maybe another Titan could be warranted. I'm tempted to drop the Island and run an extra copy of Emmy or maybe Ulamog too. I will try to get up a sideboard list soon. Thanks for the feedback.
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1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
Instant
3 Izzet Charm
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Pyretic Ritual
3 Spawning Breath
Land
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Flooded Strand
4 Steam Vents
3 Spirebluff Canal
2 Mountain
1 Island
3 Khalni Garden
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
4 Indomitable Creativity
4 Polymorph
3 Dragon Fodder
3 Krenko's Command
4 Faithless Looting
4 Serum Visions
1 Worldspine Wurm
3 Ancient Grudge
2 Mana Leak
1 Aetherspouts
2 Guttural Response
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
2 Bonfire of the Damned
1 hurkyl's recall
Alright so I tinkered with the deck a little more and I went 3-0 and never lost a game, played janky mono black,bant eldrazi and affinity. On the affinity game I turn 2 emrakul, the miracle happened. This is sideboard I started with and I pretty much just side boarded in counters in ancient grudge just in case. This deck is so consistent and so much, Worldspine worm is alright but I think I rather look else for another big creature. Its hard to figure out what to side in since you don't want to ruin the combo consistency.
For a second target for Polymorph/Indomitable Creativity I think that Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre (indestructible, annihilator 4) is the best option followed by Worldspine Wurm/Emrakul, the Promised End.
Also, why would you need Guttural Response ?
Blue has much better counterspells (Dispel, Spell Pierce, Spell Snare).
Khalni Garden seems a bit strange in a non-green deck and coming into play tapped can slow the deck down.
Why not use Mutavault instead ?
A copy of Desolate Lighthouse for extra looting is probably not bad.
Another option to get rid of a drawn Emrakul is See Beyond.
Westvale Abbey can be a decent backup plan option.
I'll think about Mutavault for sure. Yes Old Ulamog is probably target #2 followed by Worldspine Wurm #3. Dispel will be going into the SB as well. Guttural Response can be cast with the G mana off Khalni Garden in a pinch is why I'm considering it.
Can't play Clique, its a creature. See Beyond could be an option. I will consider it thanks.
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1x Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Sorcery (22)
4x Faithless Looting
4x Serum Visions
3x Dragon Fodder
3x Krenko's Command
4x Polymorph
4x Indomitable Creativity
Instant (14)
4x Raise the Alarm
4x Desperate Ritual
4x Pyretic Ritual
2x Izzet Charm
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Arid Mesa
2x Flooded Strand
3x Steam Vents
1x Sacred Foundry
4x Spirebluff Canal
2x Mountain
1x Island
3x Mutavault
1x Boseiju, Who Shelters All
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Dispel
4x Leyline of Sanctity
2x Stony Silence
2x Wear // Tear
Very similar to your version with slight changes and the White splash.
Not sure what needs to be in the SB, needs some testing with the deck to find out it's main weaknesses (maybe Blood Moon can be a good option).
I rather run emrakul, the promises end just because it has protection from cards like path to exile, and other instant spells. Also the khalni garden has been huge so far, majority of the time I morph that. I think manland could be good, I think blinkmoth nexus would be better because it can fly over, but if we put blightsteel colossus in the deck, inkmoth nexus may better due to the infect.
I don't realy like Faithless Looting anyway and consider replacing it with Peer through Depths which is admitedly slower but diggs much deeper and can be cast at instant speed to find the combo pieces.
What do you think ?
I like the thought of a white splash but again I am hesitant. I want the best possible chance to combo turn 2 or 3, popping in a 3rd color will mess with that "consistency".
Original Emrakul is better as it not only shuffles herself, but ALL your GY back into your hand. I think if I go to 2 biggies, it will be 1 original Emmy and Ulamog each.
Again Khalni Garden is the only card I can find that will let me combo on turn 2. Nothing else out there I can find. It seems a necessary evil.
Lastly Blood Moon could be a sideboard option. I thought about it main deck but I think its better out of the 15. Emmy not having haste HURTS!!! Played Jund and as I predicted, Comboed on turn 3, opponent drops Lily and -2 poof goes Emmy. Comboing and losing feels BAD.
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#I'm still running Faithless Looting but it is the first card I usually side out together with Pyretic Ritual (I usually side out 2x of each for some counters/removal).
#Despite being 1-cmc higher See Beyond might be better to not get out of cards too quickly (having to Faithless Looting after a mulligan or two is awful).
#I haven't tried Peer through Depths yet but in some games I just couldn't find Polymorph/Indomitable Creativity and it could've helped with that.
#I very rarely have trouble with mana so maybe 8x rituals are too much and can be cut to 6x to add more cantrips (Peer through Depths/Sleight of Hand) for consistency.
#About Khalni Garden, I don't really count on comboing on turn 2 and would much rather be more consistent on turns 3 and 4 if possible.
I'm not even sure that creature-lands are necessary with 10x token-producers in the deck so I might cut down to 2x Mutavault to add a Desolate Lighthouse.
#Against Liliana you can just leave another token as backup against edict effects (also Blessed Alliance) as the spells usually produce 2x tokens.
Mutavault can also save your fatty against her provided you have activation mana of course.
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I've also moved Izzet Charm to the SB and added 2x Peer through Depths, the deck seems more consistent now and I've even managed to win a game against "Esper Control" through: 1x Inquisition of Kozilek, 1x Thoughtseize, 1x Spell Snare and 2x Collective Brutality.
Here is my updated list:
1x Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Sorcery (22)
4x Serum Visions
3x Dragon Fodder
3x Krenko's Command
4x See Beyond
4x Polymorph
4x Indomitable Creativity
Instant (14)
4x Raise the Alarm
4x Desperate Ritual
4x Pyretic Ritual
2x Peer through Depths
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Arid Mesa
2x Flooded Strand
3x Steam Vents
1x Sacred Foundry
4x Spirebluff Canal
2x Mountain
1x Island
3x Mutavault
2x Izzet Charm
3x Lightning Bolt
2x Dispel
4x Leyline of Sanctity
2x Stony Silence
2x Wear // Tear
Without Faithless Looting in the deck I can probably even add 2x Rest in Peace to the SB without it exiling my Eldrazi if I discard them (since I won't discard).
Maybe Stony Silence can be replaced since I already have 2x Wear // Tear for artifacts.
The deck looks pretty good, I'll have to test it out. Now that we aren't using faithless looting, would you want to run Emrakul, the promise end now?
Also having "Annihilator 4" might be sometimes better than flying and trample.
How are those colors going? The people on here are leaning towards the jeskai colors
just curious, if we play with khlani garden, are there any other green cards that would help us out?
Decks I played tonight
U/R: mono black 2-0 and ponza 2-0
jeskai: humans 2-0, elemental 1-2
grixis: colorless eldrazi stompy 2-0, naya zoo 2-0
Well put. UR will be far more consistent on turn 3. 3 colors offers better flexibility and resiliency, but will be slower. I'm pretty much in the all in combo camp. I want Emmy asap. I'm thinking I may want to run Mass Hysteria to give me a chance for a hasted turn 3 Emmy or Ulamog. I don't want to be fair, I don't want to interact with my list, I want to drop a turn 3/4 Emmy and hope its enough. Yep glass cannon I guess.
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I don't really like either of these options but Quicken is a cantrip in the worst case unlike Mass Hysteria which can either do nothing or help your opponent granting haste to his creatures.
Just curious, if you play quicken, it won't really help just because with the turn 2 ideal, we won't have the mana and until turn 3. I don't think the card quicken works with this ideal. Mass hysteria is probably the best option, and our goal is to pay it down turn 1 or 2, then emrakul for the win.
Comboing out on turn 2 isn't likely so I wouldn't count on it and try to add cards to make it better.
Mass Hysteria is not a turn 2 combo play. In a magical fairyland turn you could go turn 1 Garden, turn 2 land, ritual, ritual, ritual, Mass Hysteria, Creativity but the odds on that are probably microscopic. Mass Hysteria is more of a turn 1 or turn 2 play to set up Emmy on turn 3 or 4 with Haste. Yes it would open the door for a lot of damage versus certain decks, but against others not as much so. Burn already has hasted creatures with GG and Swiftspear. Goblins/8whack get a lot of hasted attacks with the bushwhackers. Infect could be bad. Bogles could be bad as well. I'm not sold on it but I'm going to give it some test runs.
Quicken doesn't really haste Emmy at all. I like the thought of playing it on opponents end step and cantripping but it doesn't speed things up. I want the attack on turn 3 hasted. Basically a turn 3 win. Giving Lily a chance to -2 Emmy away feels bad bad bad.
I am going to try Peer Through Depths. Filtering 5 cards deep sounds good. And although Spawning Breath is instant speed, I really need the 2 tokens instead of 1. Too much removal out there.
Hope to get a SB up there this weekend as well. Fast linear combo may not be the right way to approach the deck but I'm going to give it a shot.
Here is the current "ALL IN" version. Game one, B@lls out, side out to taste game 2/3.
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Flooded Strand
4 Steam Vents
4 Spirebluff Canal
1 Mountain
1 Island
4 Khalni Garden
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
4 Indomitable Creativity
4 Polymorph
4 Mass Hysteria
4 Dragon Fodder
4 Krenko's Command
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Pyretic Ritual
4 Faithless Looting
4 Serum Visions
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2 Izzet Charm
2 Peer Through Depths
2 Echoing Truth
3 Dispel
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Worldspine Wurm
Part of me feels like there may be a need for Devastating Summons or Koth of the Hammer in the SB for cards like Night of Souls' Betrayal. I could cut the Boseijus and run a 4th Dispel for 3 of them. Also seems like I need to run at least 2 Ancient Grudge as well, although Cyclonic Rift may serve the purpose.
Will need some work still.
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Echoing Truth seems a bit better for your version as you are unlikely to "overload" Cyclonic Rift.
I would also keep an Island in the deck for Blood Moon which will prevent you from casting Polymorph/Serum Visions (and some SB cards).