If we lose DRS, I think we lose a ton of power. Nothing really fills his slot as well. I would probably go up to 2 Grim Lavamancers, and maybe run more hand hate like additional Inquisitions?
I am running the more control-y version of the deck. I think it's superior, this deck does very well when it comes down to topdecking. Although I wish we had more draw outlets.
Hand hate, not land hate.
Yes, this is true. However, DRS + Bob usually help me stall until I can get one.
I'd like to talk about Brimaz. I know a lot of us are running Hero of Bladehold, who synergizes incredibly well with Lingering Souls, and I think Brimaz fills a similar slot. The vigilance is incredibly relevant, and he avoids bolt. Thoughts?
Brimaz is unplayable in my mind. I rather maindeck Mirran crusader which crushes Jund, Junk, Nykthos Green and pod variants.
A 3rd lavamancer, and more tidehollow scullers are a possibility. Sculler is insane against slow/weak hands, but pretty bad against good hands. At the very least, he demands removal, so IoK into a Sculler is pretty good at protecting your bob.
I think its pretty unlikely DRS gets banned... card hasn't even won that much lately. I think we will just see unbans this time around. If bitterblossom gets unbanned, probably jam 3-4, go down to 2-3 lingering souls and lose the MD scullers.
Brimaz is unplayable in my mind. I rather maindeck Mirran crusader which crushes Jund, Junk, Nykthos Green and pod variants.
A 3rd lavamancer, and more tidehollow scullers are a possibility. Sculler is insane against slow/weak hands, but pretty bad against good hands. At the very least, he demands removal, so IoK into a Sculler is pretty good at protecting your bob.
I think its pretty unlikely DRS gets banned... card hasn't even won that much lately. I think we will just see unbans this time around. If bitterblossom gets unbanned, probably jam 3-4, go down to 2-3 lingering souls and lose the MD scullers.
I think you're underestimating Brimaz. I still don't plan on taking Mirrans out of my sideboard, but I migt replace Hero. It's a 3 drop instead of a 4 drop, and cranks out a lot of bodies (starting before Hero if they swing).
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I think you're underestimating Brimaz. I still don't plan on taking Mirrans out of my sideboard, but I migt replace Hero. It's a 3 drop instead of a 4 drop, and cranks out a lot of bodies (starting before Hero if they swing).
Maybe I am, but remember the extra bodies are going to die if its chumping or if they are alpha striking giving up a guy. So the situations where the extra token survive aren't as common as youd like.
Also... again anyone not running hide/seek needs to open their eyes. It has applications in SO many matchups. Merfolk? Gets rid of thassa, spreading seas and potentially threads. Other blue decks? Shackles or threads.
Can autowin against Ad Nauseum, and other decks with a single combo piece like Nykthos green. Can use it early to ditch a utopia sprawl or later to get rid of the 1 of craterhoof win con.
Merfolk is an extremely close matchup. It is within 5% of 50/50 for sure.
Maybe I am, but remember the extra bodies are going to die if its chumping or if they are alpha striking giving up a guy. So the situations where the extra token survive aren't as common as youd like.
Also... again anyone not running hide/seek needs to open their eyes. It has applications in SO many matchups. Merfolk? Gets rid of thassa, spreading seas and potentially threads. Other blue decks? Shackles or threads.
Can autowin against Ad Nauseum, and other decks with a single combo piece like Nykthos green. Can use it early to ditch a utopia sprawl or later to get rid of the 1 of craterhoof win con.
Merfolk is an extremely close matchup. It is within 5% of 50/50 for sure.
Yeah, I SB 2 Hide//Seek and 1 Smash to Smithereens.
As for the Weds results, another 2-1.
Won against Merfolk and Jund, lost to the same Mono Red Demigod deck :/ cannot get the Charms for my life.
Lavamancers do work against merfolk.
As for Brimaz, I prefer hero for it's WAY more lethal than he is.
Also, I'm thinking of removing the 2 bonfires for 2 anger of the gods. Because I've realized that miracles are too unreliable and I'd rather have a solid board wipe. If I have to wipe my board to stabilize, oh well.
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I haven't seen anyone else mention or use it, but I like to keep 1-2 Guttural Responses in my red/green SBs. What do you guys think of the card?
Haven't tried it... I actually find my worst matchup is burn. Its pretty common online in the 2 man queues.. and i am probably like 1-3 against it with the 1 win being like surviving at 1 life both wins.
I rather sideboard something for that/super fast aggro since Gruul Aggro destroyed me as well the one match i played it.
Guttural seems decent against cryptic and sphinx... not really worth countering anything else. I would have to try it out.. really hard to decide if i would want it without testing it. It just seems like too low impact, when you could just play 2 more threats in its spot that are good in more situations. Like batterskull
Haven't tried it... I actually find my worst matchup is burn. Its pretty common online in the 2 man queues.. and i am probably like 1-3 against it with the 1 win being like surviving at 1 life both wins.
I rather sideboard something for that/super fast aggro since Gruul Aggro destroyed me as well the one match i played it.
Guttural seems decent against cryptic and sphinx... not really worth countering anything else. I would have to try it out.. really hard to decide if i would want it without testing it. It just seems like too low impact, when you could just play 2 more threats in its spot that are good in more situations. Like batterskull
Yeah, usually against UWx Flash/Control/Midrange you wanna play smart but aggressive.
Bait out counterspells with EOT burn spells or anything else. Try to get mileage out of bob and land a bomb and ride it to victory.
To fight Rev's and counterspells we also have 7-8 hand disruption cards.
To fight FB and snapcasters we have DRS and rakdos charm SB.
This match up is grindy, but not at all impossible. Maybe 40-45/55-60.
Against, burn I find my MU's favorable. Helixes, DRS and kill spells keep me alive and stabilize, then drop a bomb and win.
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I know this thread doesn't get a lot of traffic, but someone in the MTGO world loves it (a few someones, in fact). This deck has almost double the requisite dailies to get upgraded to Established, over the last 3 months, so you guys are getting bumped up next week. Congratulations on all the finishes!
I know this thread doesn't get a lot of traffic, but someone in the MTGO world loves it (a few someones, in fact). This deck has almost double the requisite dailies to get upgraded to Established, over the last 3 months, so you guys are getting bumped up next week. Congratulations on all the finishes!
By "bumped up" do you mean we're going into Established?
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By "bumped up" do you mean we're going into Established?
Yep. It probably seems strange to those that don't follow the MTGO dailies, but this deck more than meets our site's criteria for an Established promotion.
Should add Team Italia to the name in the title.. a ton of people know the deck by that name. I think this deck is very similar to Jund. But it has a better tron matchup, has better affinity hate and a bit better matchup vs combo. Not the brute force of tarmogoyf, but sometimes a thoughtseize sculler sculler draw is game over for combo. Just shocked more people haven't played it since everyone who does has success.
Will be fun to see this thread in the established section. I brewed up a Dega list with Young Pyromancer that operates similarly to the lists here, then went 3-1 in Saturday's MTGO daily. I didn't know about Team Italia or this thread until a friend pointed out the similarity to one of Bahra's lists and I searched around on Google.
Mana tithe is a card that hasn't been talked about since its so bad in so many situtions. In others it just gets them so good. Olivia is fine... but the deck is so light on land i don't think she is that effective. I love zealous persecution but with so few creatures it is more of a removal spell than something aggressive when i played it usually.
Either way good to see some variance that still wins.
Yep. It probably seems strange to those that don't follow the MTGO dailies, but this deck more than meets our site's criteria for an Established promotion.
YAY. This thrills me. However, can someone link me to the list of dailies? I go on TCGplayer often and look at the tourney results and I see nothing on this sort of deck on the list. So I may be looking in the wrong place?
On Topic: Olivia sounds sweet, but I am in love with Hero of Bladehold too much to swap her out. Every time I've landed her, and she survived a combat step, I have won.
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After testing this deck out for a bit, I'm really liking it. It has a lot of the advantages of Jund, but is not quite as flexible. I find that without Tarmogoyf, I don't have many games where I'm the beat down. Jund needs that pressure in some matches, like Tron, to have a chance, but instead, I just play powerful white sideboard cards to hose them (Stony Silence).
I like the black part of the BG/x core, Deathrite, Liliana, 1cmc discard, etc.
I feel like Sculler is just vulnerable to removal, especially in an otherwise creature-light deck.
Crusader is pretty good in some match-ups, not great in others. Seems the highest variance. I currently play this guy main to try to get an edge vs. Jund.
Hero I haven't tried, but seems to have the best average case, but 4cmc is expensive.
Planeswalkers fit into the more controlling game plan, but are best when balanced with support. I'm looking at Ajani, Elspeth, maybe BW Sorin here.
The new Brimaz guy also seems to have potential, might be better than Crusader b/c he doesn't die to Bolt, but also might not be able to block Goyf.
I can't decide what is best. I want something to seal the deal quickly after using a lot of removal/discard and something resilient enough to do well in the attrition games.
After testing this deck out for a bit, I'm really liking it. It has a lot of the advantages of Jund, but is not quite as flexible. I find that without Tarmogoyf, I don't have many games where I'm the beat down. Jund needs that pressure in some matches, like Tron, to have a chance, but instead, I just play powerful white sideboard cards to hose them (Stony Silence).
I like the black part of the BG/x core, Deathrite, Liliana, 1cmc discard, etc.
I feel like Sculler is just vulnerable to removal, especially in an otherwise creature-light deck.
Crusader is pretty good in some match-ups, not great in others. Seems the highest variance. I currently play this guy main to try to get an edge vs. Jund.
Hero I haven't tried, but seems to have the best average case, but 4cmc is expensive.
Planeswalkers fit into the more controlling game plan, but are best when balanced with support. I'm looking at Ajani, Elspeth, maybe BW Sorin here.
The new Brimaz guy also seems to have potential, might be better than Crusader b/c he doesn't die to Bolt, but also might not be able to block Goyf.
I can't decide what is best. I want something to seal the deal quickly after using a lot of removal/discard and something resilient enough to do well in the attrition games.
Game 1 against tron is tough.. I have been dominating games 2/3 vs Tron. Stony silence, grudge, sowing salt pithing needle and Hide/seek(Path 5-6 vs wurmcoil, gets rid of stone or a map early as well and could prevent Eye of Ugin grabbing an eldrazi). Basically 30% of my deck is just amazing hate cards vs tron. I almost think it may be TOO much since the deck is so dominant against tron postboard. Maybe ditch sowing salt for something against blue which are always super close games i don't have real SB cards for.
Sculler is a weird card.. Some games it really just buys you a turn of tempo by preventing a removal spell or forcing it out, other times you get a TS, sculler sculler draw against a slower draw or mulligan and you win on scullers alone. I like them against combo so I think they are good as a 2 of MD.
Honestly you dominate attrition matchups. Even vs blue decks i find i win by playing lingering souls, and swording them up. Mirran crusader MD is fine if you have a TON of jund in your meta but I would recommend Ajani, Elspeth or Ranger of Eos. They have all been great for me.
Timely is certainly strong and I feel weak against Burn due to a combination of a pretty slow clock, and damage from our own lands. I am always questioning cards in my sideboard. It's worth a shot to try 1-2.
I've been playing with a Sorin, Lord of Innistrad and an Elspeth, Knight-Errant and enjoying the results. They provide dudes to chump and buy a turn if I'm behind or allow me to be aggressive if I'm ahead. I play with 2 Swords of Fire and Ice so the ability to make tokens has been excellent.
Cool to see there are more people creating different dega decks :). Made one one and a half year ago but stopped testing after a while. This week I thought I'd pick it up again. My built differs a bit from the topic starter's dega deck. It's a bit more control orientated but plays like a midrange too sometimes.
This is the list I'm currently testing:
It disrupts opponent's hand very well. A turn two Blightning can be a good start to a win (with the help of deathrite). Against aggro this becomes more of a midrange deck. Controlling the board by destroying scary creatures, disrupting the hand of your opponent, and slowely kill them either by having more (flying) creatures, grim lavamancer, or deathrite shaman. I tested mostly without the shaman, but myeh... Why wouldn't we play it, right? (I kinda hope it gets banned, but that's a different topic :P)
I'm still testing and tweaking it. Especially the mana base is pretty new, so I have to see how it works. Same goes for the sideboard. I also tested a couple of versions with Steppe Lynx. It worked well sometimes, but it felt a bit clunky with only 20 land in the deck. I ran 8 fetch and 3 shocks, which hurt too much. So I changed it to the above list for now.
After testing this deck out for a bit, I'm really liking it. It has a lot of the advantages of Jund, but is not quite as flexible. I find that without Tarmogoyf, I don't have many games where I'm the beat down. Jund needs that pressure in some matches, like Tron, to have a chance, but instead, I just play powerful white sideboard cards to hose them (Stony Silence).
I like the black part of the BG/x core, Deathrite, Liliana, 1cmc discard, etc.
I feel like Sculler is just vulnerable to removal, especially in an otherwise creature-light deck.
Crusader is pretty good in some match-ups, not great in others. Seems the highest variance. I currently play this guy main to try to get an edge vs. Jund.
Hero I haven't tried, but seems to have the best average case, but 4cmc is expensive.
Planeswalkers fit into the more controlling game plan, but are best when balanced with support. I'm looking at Ajani, Elspeth, maybe BW Sorin here.
The new Brimaz guy also seems to have potential, might be better than Crusader b/c he doesn't die to Bolt, but also might not be able to block Goyf.
I can't decide what is best. I want something to seal the deal quickly after using a lot of removal/discard and something resilient enough to do well in the attrition games.
Here's the thing with Sculler, they HAVE to use up resources to get their key card back. I wouldn't go as far to say that it's a 2 for 1 but it's close. Also, hand disruption on a stick is never bad.
Sideboard Mirran Crusaders, with all of the bolts going around it's usually not a good MB card. I've said this before and will say it again.
I. LOVE. HERO OF BLADEHOLD.
I may be over hyping her, but she is da shiz whiz. It's my preference but I can't force you build the way I did. Ajani is nice for it's helix ability mostly, but when you can +1 to keep a man land or a bomb tapped is also amazing too. Elspeth + Souls = Profit, also her ability to make guys can stall a game for a turn or so to help stabilize.
Do I even need to talk about Lili?
I don't like BW Sorin, Elspeth is just better. If you can't find or afford Elspeth however, then I could see BW sorin being a budget substitute.
As for that sealing the deal. Hero of bladehold or Elspeth can do this well.
As for Brimaz, I'm edgy on him. Not as much umph as hero but they do sync well. If someone wishes to test him and and tell me how he performs, I may be convinced.
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Here's the thing with Sculler, they HAVE to use up resources to get their key card back. I wouldn't go as far to say that it's a 2 for 1 but it's close. Also, hand disruption on a stick is never bad.
Sideboard Mirran Crusaders, with all of the bolts going around it's usually not a good MB card. I've said this before and will say it again.
I. LOVE. HERO OF BLADEHOLD.
I may be over hyping her, but she is da shiz whiz. It's my preference but I can't force you build the way I did. Ajani is nice for it's helix ability mostly, but when you can +1 to keep a man land or a bomb tapped is also amazing too. Elspeth + Souls = Profit, also her ability to make guys can stall a game for a turn or so to help stabilize.
Do I even need to talk about Lili?
I don't like BW Sorin, Elspeth is just better. If you can't find or afford Elspeth however, then I could see BW sorin being a budget substitute.
As for that sealing the deal. Hero of bladehold or Elspeth can do this well.
As for Brimaz, I'm edgy on him. Not as much umph as hero but they do sync well. If someone wishes to test him and and tell me how he performs, I may be convinced.
I appreciate your comments. I'm just going to play devil's advocate for the sake of the discussion.
Sculler - Here are my problems with it:
-The 2/2 body is not usually that relevant late game.
-You usually have to take their removal with it or it will just eat it next turn, limiting it's disruptive potential
-If they have removal, it's just a 1-for-1, and it's vulnerable to stuff like Grim Lavamancer and Electrolyze to give them value
I agree with you that Elspeth, Ajani V, and Liliana are all good. It's just a matter of how many of each. I tend to think Elspeth is the worst though, so I only run 1 of her. I tend to think her first two abilities are best when you are winning, but she can seal the deal, which is what I'm looking for. Both Ajani's first two abilities are pretty good no matter what the game state.
I think I want to try out either Brimaz or Hero. I like how I can go t1 deathrite -> t2 Brimaz, but Hero is the more powerful card.
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Brimaz is unplayable in my mind. I rather maindeck Mirran crusader which crushes Jund, Junk, Nykthos Green and pod variants.
A 3rd lavamancer, and more tidehollow scullers are a possibility. Sculler is insane against slow/weak hands, but pretty bad against good hands. At the very least, he demands removal, so IoK into a Sculler is pretty good at protecting your bob.
I think its pretty unlikely DRS gets banned... card hasn't even won that much lately. I think we will just see unbans this time around. If bitterblossom gets unbanned, probably jam 3-4, go down to 2-3 lingering souls and lose the MD scullers.
I think you're underestimating Brimaz. I still don't plan on taking Mirrans out of my sideboard, but I migt replace Hero. It's a 3 drop instead of a 4 drop, and cranks out a lot of bodies (starting before Hero if they swing).
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Maybe I am, but remember the extra bodies are going to die if its chumping or if they are alpha striking giving up a guy. So the situations where the extra token survive aren't as common as youd like.
Also... again anyone not running hide/seek needs to open their eyes. It has applications in SO many matchups. Merfolk? Gets rid of thassa, spreading seas and potentially threads. Other blue decks? Shackles or threads.
Can autowin against Ad Nauseum, and other decks with a single combo piece like Nykthos green. Can use it early to ditch a utopia sprawl or later to get rid of the 1 of craterhoof win con.
Merfolk is an extremely close matchup. It is within 5% of 50/50 for sure.
Yeah, I SB 2 Hide//Seek and 1 Smash to Smithereens.
As for the Weds results, another 2-1.
Won against Merfolk and Jund, lost to the same Mono Red Demigod deck :/ cannot get the Charms for my life.
Lavamancers do work against merfolk.
As for Brimaz, I prefer hero for it's WAY more lethal than he is.
Also, I'm thinking of removing the 2 bonfires for 2 anger of the gods. Because I've realized that miracles are too unreliable and I'd rather have a solid board wipe. If I have to wipe my board to stabilize, oh well.
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Haven't tried it... I actually find my worst matchup is burn. Its pretty common online in the 2 man queues.. and i am probably like 1-3 against it with the 1 win being like surviving at 1 life both wins.
I rather sideboard something for that/super fast aggro since Gruul Aggro destroyed me as well the one match i played it.
Guttural seems decent against cryptic and sphinx... not really worth countering anything else. I would have to try it out.. really hard to decide if i would want it without testing it. It just seems like too low impact, when you could just play 2 more threats in its spot that are good in more situations. Like batterskull
Yeah, usually against UWx Flash/Control/Midrange you wanna play smart but aggressive.
Bait out counterspells with EOT burn spells or anything else. Try to get mileage out of bob and land a bomb and ride it to victory.
To fight Rev's and counterspells we also have 7-8 hand disruption cards.
To fight FB and snapcasters we have DRS and rakdos charm SB.
This match up is grindy, but not at all impossible. Maybe 40-45/55-60.
Against, burn I find my MU's favorable. Helixes, DRS and kill spells keep me alive and stabilize, then drop a bomb and win.
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By "bumped up" do you mean we're going into Established?
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Yep. It probably seems strange to those that don't follow the MTGO dailies, but this deck more than meets our site's criteria for an Established promotion.
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Mana tithe is a card that hasn't been talked about since its so bad in so many situtions. In others it just gets them so good. Olivia is fine... but the deck is so light on land i don't think she is that effective. I love zealous persecution but with so few creatures it is more of a removal spell than something aggressive when i played it usually.
Either way good to see some variance that still wins.
YAY. This thrills me. However, can someone link me to the list of dailies? I go on TCGplayer often and look at the tourney results and I see nothing on this sort of deck on the list. So I may be looking in the wrong place?
On Topic: Olivia sounds sweet, but I am in love with Hero of Bladehold too much to swap her out. Every time I've landed her, and she survived a combat step, I have won.
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I like the black part of the BG/x core, Deathrite, Liliana, 1cmc discard, etc.
I just don't know whether to play Tidehollow Sculler, Mirran Crusader, Hero of Bladehold, or planeswalkers to round out that core.
I feel like Sculler is just vulnerable to removal, especially in an otherwise creature-light deck.
Crusader is pretty good in some match-ups, not great in others. Seems the highest variance. I currently play this guy main to try to get an edge vs. Jund.
Hero I haven't tried, but seems to have the best average case, but 4cmc is expensive.
Planeswalkers fit into the more controlling game plan, but are best when balanced with support. I'm looking at Ajani, Elspeth, maybe BW Sorin here.
The new Brimaz guy also seems to have potential, might be better than Crusader b/c he doesn't die to Bolt, but also might not be able to block Goyf.
I can't decide what is best. I want something to seal the deal quickly after using a lot of removal/discard and something resilient enough to do well in the attrition games.
Game 1 against tron is tough.. I have been dominating games 2/3 vs Tron. Stony silence, grudge, sowing salt pithing needle and Hide/seek(Path 5-6 vs wurmcoil, gets rid of stone or a map early as well and could prevent Eye of Ugin grabbing an eldrazi). Basically 30% of my deck is just amazing hate cards vs tron. I almost think it may be TOO much since the deck is so dominant against tron postboard. Maybe ditch sowing salt for something against blue which are always super close games i don't have real SB cards for.
Sculler is a weird card.. Some games it really just buys you a turn of tempo by preventing a removal spell or forcing it out, other times you get a TS, sculler sculler draw against a slower draw or mulligan and you win on scullers alone. I like them against combo so I think they are good as a 2 of MD.
Honestly you dominate attrition matchups. Even vs blue decks i find i win by playing lingering souls, and swording them up. Mirran crusader MD is fine if you have a TON of jund in your meta but I would recommend Ajani, Elspeth or Ranger of Eos. They have all been great for me.
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This is the list I'm currently testing:
4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Goblin Guide
1 Grim Lavamancer
2 Vexing Devil
Spells
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Blightning
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
2 Path to Exile
2 Lingering Souls
3 Boros Charm
3 Liliana of the Veil
Land (20)
3 Arid Mesa
3 Marsh Flats
1 Godless Shrine
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Blood Crypt
1 Graven Cairns
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Clifftop Retreat
3 Swamp
3 Mountain
2 Plains
3 Extirpate
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Stony Silence
2 Path to Exile
3 Disenchant
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
It disrupts opponent's hand very well. A turn two Blightning can be a good start to a win (with the help of deathrite). Against aggro this becomes more of a midrange deck. Controlling the board by destroying scary creatures, disrupting the hand of your opponent, and slowely kill them either by having more (flying) creatures, grim lavamancer, or deathrite shaman. I tested mostly without the shaman, but myeh... Why wouldn't we play it, right? (I kinda hope it gets banned, but that's a different topic :P)
I'm still testing and tweaking it. Especially the mana base is pretty new, so I have to see how it works. Same goes for the sideboard. I also tested a couple of versions with Steppe Lynx. It worked well sometimes, but it felt a bit clunky with only 20 land in the deck. I ran 8 fetch and 3 shocks, which hurt too much. So I changed it to the above list for now.
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Here's the thing with Sculler, they HAVE to use up resources to get their key card back. I wouldn't go as far to say that it's a 2 for 1 but it's close. Also, hand disruption on a stick is never bad.
Sideboard Mirran Crusaders, with all of the bolts going around it's usually not a good MB card. I've said this before and will say it again.
I. LOVE. HERO OF BLADEHOLD.
I may be over hyping her, but she is da shiz whiz. It's my preference but I can't force you build the way I did. Ajani is nice for it's helix ability mostly, but when you can +1 to keep a man land or a bomb tapped is also amazing too. Elspeth + Souls = Profit, also her ability to make guys can stall a game for a turn or so to help stabilize.
Do I even need to talk about Lili?
I don't like BW Sorin, Elspeth is just better. If you can't find or afford Elspeth however, then I could see BW sorin being a budget substitute.
As for that sealing the deal. Hero of bladehold or Elspeth can do this well.
As for Brimaz, I'm edgy on him. Not as much umph as hero but they do sync well. If someone wishes to test him and and tell me how he performs, I may be convinced.
Modern:
BR Control
Grixis Bloo
EDH:
Food Chain Prossh
Land Wipe Maelstrom Wanderer
Selvala, Hearth of the Wilds Eldrazi
I appreciate your comments. I'm just going to play devil's advocate for the sake of the discussion.
Sculler - Here are my problems with it:
-The 2/2 body is not usually that relevant late game.
-You usually have to take their removal with it or it will just eat it next turn, limiting it's disruptive potential
-If they have removal, it's just a 1-for-1, and it's vulnerable to stuff like Grim Lavamancer and Electrolyze to give them value
I agree with you that Elspeth, Ajani V, and Liliana are all good. It's just a matter of how many of each. I tend to think Elspeth is the worst though, so I only run 1 of her. I tend to think her first two abilities are best when you are winning, but she can seal the deal, which is what I'm looking for. Both Ajani's first two abilities are pretty good no matter what the game state.
I think I want to try out either Brimaz or Hero. I like how I can go t1 deathrite -> t2 Brimaz, but Hero is the more powerful card.