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Quote from Hicham »

He is useful in spells matters decks too, just by looting your deck to keep the engine going. Also for those with Storm support I can see him being another card for those decks.

In our cube he has quickly risen to staple level by carrying a deck by himself. We support all his relevant archetypes and draft Rochester which allows for very focused decks. His power will greatly depend on what you support and how you draft your cube.

I currently have around a 400 card cube which has been mostly a budget cube in which I don't have cards like Survival of The Fittest or Life From the Loam in my cube. I'm currently running 5 black reanimation spells including Recurring Nightmare, Profane Command, Animate Dead, Necromancy, and Dance of the Dead. I also have cards like Bloodghast and Squee which can be used with Daretti's discard ability. Now for reanimating big artifact creatures I have Myr Battlesphere, Sundering Titan and Moltensteel Dragon. I could add Wurmcoil Engine which would make 4 big artifact creatures for reanimating. I don't know if this is enough to make Daretti really good. He does seem like another good planeswalker that works well in Wildfire Decks like OB-Nixlis.

Moltensteel Dragon is a really interesting option for supporting Daretti -- but I don't think I could do it. Getting a Shivan Dragon at 4 mana and 4 lifeloss is probably worse than every other 4 cmc option available to red. It might be okay in other colors though.

When's the last time you guys played with Moltensteel Dragon? Does Daretti make it worth running again ?

Moltensteel Dragon is a fine card, but Daretti doesn't make me want to re-include it.

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Moltensteel Dragon is a fine card, but Daretti doesn't make me want to re-include it.

One of the main complaints against it is it dies to so much removal -- it seems to me that Moltensteel Dragon would be a fine roleplayer in a deck with a ton of artifact mana ramp already, Daretti just gives additional value to bringing it back once it eats a Disenchant.

Actually, Moltensteel was best in hard aggro. It almost always represents lethal the turn after it resolves. It can attack for some absurd number on T5, usually 10+ damage.

You can see Daretti in action in LSV's most recent Holiday Cube draft: http://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-lsv-holiday-cube-draft-2-2/

I also enjoyed Moltensteel Dragon hugely. Dies to everything, but it's usually a one hit kill.

How have people's experience with Daretti been so far? He seems like a very interesting card, but needs support to really get going. Are there certain cards people are running to support him? I was hoping to get a list of cards that Cube owners are running in conjunction with him. Or is he just good enough on his own?

Edit: I'm also wondering if it's too greedy to try and squeeze him in at 450.

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I ran him and Goblin Welder for the artifact shenanigans deck. They were ultimately cut because I felt like most often the Tinker or Tezzeret decks didn't really need him. He was a pretty neat addition but ultimately not exciting enough to support. I think it ultimately stemmed from my draft experiences where there ware few cards, and often far between during drafts, to make him abusive. The best combo I saw with him was Wurmcoil Engine and Tangle Wire with a Winter Orb effect on board. I liked him best in Blue-Red or Grixis splash for reanimator/trash ***** to the graveyard as fast and as much as possible. Dig Through Time, Treasure Cruise and Tasigur, the Golden Fang are just stellar with him.

Feldon of the Third Path permits some pretty silly things with him as well, as the token is an artifact.

Different opinion here (although, good post FiveFingers). He and Goblin Welder has been at the heart of a lot of good stuff here. These days, the Tinker deck is looking often like either a counterburn shell with the artifact combo elements, or integrated into a R/U or Temur Wildfire deck, or as part of R/B or Grixis reanimator (more on that in a second). Having these extra outs for artifacts makes that deck a ton more consistent, since you ideally want multiple routes for artifact abuse. What has pushed Daretti into really useful territory is his applications in reanimator, since red is a solid #2 colour for that archetype. Getting a 1/20 of your deck in hand and pitching the needed stuff goes a long way to getting your missing component, and he adds another method of getting the things into play since many of our big targets are artifacts anyway. Lastly, we run a decent amount of general utility artifacts plus the conspiracy which makes a 1/1 artifact token, so these all help for context.

I don't think it's a staple at 360 but he is helping into two (two and a half?) important archetypes which I actively help in red, which makes him worth the slot at the moment. If the OP means by 'good enough on his own', then no I wouldn't include him without supporting those decks. The filtering is very nice even for goodstuff.dec but not at 4 mana.

He wound up a lot more in non-artifact decks than I expected. His + ability works fine without the need to run big or many artifacts. He's a decent discard outlet in traditional reanimator decks. Especially if you have Living Death for some brutal mass reanimation on turn five. I also combined him with both Crucible of Worlds and Life from the Loam to form a strong card advantage engine. So, all these cards count as Daretti support, even though they have nothing to do with artifacts.

He has been very good here. I thought it would be mainly be a Welder-like archetype card. But he has been so much more. He has been used in reanimator decks, in combo decks and in spells matter decks. His + ability is strong enough not to need the welder effect. He has very stong card filtering power. I cannot see him leaving our cubes for years to come.

It's a powerful walker, IMO. Both effects are valuable and work together, and he's been great in the artifact.dec, or even in a reanimator shell as a discard outlet if one of your targets is also a big robot, because he can work double-duty there.

I am looking to getting some moxes in the next year ( I Think he is better in powered) that will put the welder nutzo stuff up a level, but my reanimator decks love the discard.

Daretti is awesome and he has filled a key role in the artifact and Reanimator decks. He was recently in a dream deck that had a Feldon, Sneak Attack and Living Death.

I cut Goblin Welder fairly recently though. If I had other artifacts outside of the big robots (ie. Memory Jar, Mindslaver) I would probably still run him. Once in a while he does blow something good up so that adds to his value.

I think the card is really strong. He’s a solid staple at 540 for us. And I’d would say that he should also work perfectly fine at 450 if you’re able to find room for him. In a powered cube, I think there’s no doubt about it.

Since you’re asking, there’s a list of cards that I run next to him that make it happen or give a edge in a artifact’s archetype :

• Inkwell Leviathan
  
• Tezzeret the Seeker
  
• Show and Tell
  
• Tinker
  
• Dig Through Time
  
• Entomb
  
• Recurring Nightmare
  
• The Abyss
  
• Goblin Welder
  
• Feldon of the Third Path
  
• Bosh, Iron Golem
  
• Sneak Attack
  
• Faithless Looting
  
• Through the Breach
  
• Wheel of Fortune
  
• Fauna Shaman
  
• Survival of the Fittest
  
• Sphinx of the Steel Wind
  
• Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
  
• Dack Fayden
  
• Solemn Simulacrum
  
• Triskelion
  
• Wurmcoil Engine
  
• Myr Battlesphere
  
• Sundering Titan
  
• Memory Jar
  
• Time Vault
  
• Mishra’s Factory
  
• All the mana rocks (Moxes, Monoliths, Lotus, etc.)

He also works great in a reanimator shell where you don’t have any artifact and where it could work as draw/discard engine. In fact, I think that he’s generally good in any deck that want to cheat fatties into play because he dig so hard for combo pieces while doing a big part of the job by himself most of the time if your deck cares about artifacts.

Also, no mention of Squee, Goblin Nabob. Daretti, Scrap Savant is pretty awesome with Squee.

Do you deem it 450-playable?

Definitely. Maybe smaller, if you support the artifact.dec at that size.

Initial impressions of this card are quite favorable; we had a 8-man draft tonight, and the player who drafted Daretti used him in a U/R Splinter Twin deck. He told me the card was essential in digging for his combo pieces. He also told me of a awesome play, where he turn 1 Faithless Looting, ditching Tangle Wire and a land into the yard; on the following turn, he cast Mana Vault into Daretti, then sacrificed the tapped Mana Vault to bring back Tangle Wire. He would then uptick Daretti and recur Tangle Wire, which bought him enough time to find his pieces and win. When I was playing him, I also found Daretti ticking up to 5 to be extremely awkward for me, because I would have had to sacrifice two turns worth of damage just to get it off the board. I still won, because of my opponent's misplay, but Daretti definitely impressed me so far.

I totally agreed that he's also a great combo finder. Loothing every single turn is awesome!

Daretti, Scrap Savant was discussed here in the Random Cube Card of the Day thread. Come discuss the card... I has a better line but I had to scrap it, I'm no savant.

Daretti is one of my favourite planeswalkers and one of my highest red picks in the cube. He gets better with age as there has been plenty more red artifact support since his original printing. As a public service announcement, he now has a foil version from the commander reprint (as I only discovered last week)!