OK time for me to stop procrastinating. Real time catch up let's gooooooo.
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Can the two of you each please explain in detail why you came out of your Night-Chats with SL so convinced that he's Town? I was already worried that he was acting like he was pocketing GF (said so in my reads list which GF requested), so last Night's events have greatly exacerbated my concerns.
EL do you still want me to do this? Can summarize the chat for you but will take a little longer.
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Anyways, I just looked through other games to confirm if this was something different and I realized that lots of game use that terminology, so I'm an idiot and I no longer think RE and EL get a free pass for saying TV instead of VT. That was my big stupid tell. I'm sorry it didn't work out. I just realized it as I was typing it out, but instead of just ignoring it, I thought I owed it to you to at least explain it.
Eeeeh this is yet another thing that I don't think JT bothers to really think about as scum (the formatting of TV versus VT)? The main reason why I use Town Vanilla in games is because it's more consistent when you go [Alignment] [Role] rather than [Alignment] [Role] and then Vanilla Town which breaks this consistency and ruins my OCD.
I'd be surprised if JT actually thinks this up as scum, but I don't really see it.
I'm also interested in what shadow said that gave such strong town vibes to both you and grapefruit.
I agree with your general sentiment about Terry, although I'm not 100% confident in it.
Shinichi can you give reasons for you top scumspects? Why are you certain that 1 of RE or myself is scum? Is there some type of interaction that led to that conclusion?
Re 1.Because of seeing his scum game through another game, and the fact that he knows exactly the kind of player I am yet even he is taking full advantage of my mistakes to get me lynched. If she was town I can't see her doing that.
This has me curious. Do you have a link to a town game you've played with RE that I could read? Something that would show you being this kind of player.
Something I've been thinking about: Would scum.shadow be willing to target other scum with his ability? There is a lot of info to be gained from his night chats.
Shinichi can you give reasons for you top scumspects? Why are you certain that 1 of RE or myself is scum? Is there some type of interaction that led to that conclusion?
How is it the correct play for Vaimes and Shadow to play against their wincon? It can't simultaneously be bad for town to reveal and the "correct play" for town to reveal. Only one of those statements can be true.
Obviously the mafia would be trying to kill me harder if I was granting alignment cop shots, but that doesn't make me scum. My role not being as strong as an alignment cop isn't a condemnation. I didn't get to choose how powerful my role is.
You also seem to be missing the fact that scum are very unlikely to shoot the person that "should be first priority tomorrow". Scum want the mislynch.
@Shinichi: because your reasoning could be interesting to see. I'm curious what caused you to conclude that you knew who it was and why such a conclusion pointed towards them being town.
I'd wager the PR who gave me the ability is town. If mafia gave it to me, then they risk me checking a PR buddy who might want to claim Vanilla, or checking a Goon who might want to fakeclaim PR.
Scum would only give me the ability for towncred, but that's a lot thinner.
Ok thanks then its safe to say the person who gave you it is town, and i think i can figure out who gave you the aiblity just from this information.
I don't think Shinichi ever explained who he was thinking of here.
I don't think there is a direct connection between Vaimes claiming his result and my claim. They were independent events that just happened to coincide. I did not intend to claim D2 prior to getting wagoned.
What does that weirdness tell you?
I'm also interested in what shadow said that gave such strong town vibes to both you and grapefruit.
I agree with your general sentiment about Terry, although I'm not 100% confident in it.
This has me curious. Do you have a link to a town game you've played with RE that I could read? Something that would show you being this kind of player.
Something I've been thinking about: Would scum.shadow be willing to target other scum with his ability? There is a lot of info to be gained from his night chats.
I'm not forced to use it.
Obviously the mafia would be trying to kill me harder if I was granting alignment cop shots, but that doesn't make me scum. My role not being as strong as an alignment cop isn't a condemnation. I didn't get to choose how powerful my role is.
You also seem to be missing the fact that scum are very unlikely to shoot the person that "should be first priority tomorrow". Scum want the mislynch.
That would be correct.
2) He can discuss the shot with his neighbor
I don't think Shinichi ever explained who he was thinking of here.