I think the hilarious reactions to these cards would be different if Wizards simply put the land side as the face up side. Then people could recognize that in certain decks, like red aggro that don't care as much about life loss, their land gets to be a removal spell some of the time. Like, that's just free value.
But I guess free value in MTG is worthless. That's why those stupid, overcosted companions saw no play.
Let's recognize that the word Mill has connotations -- mills were used to grind wheat, so the grinding down of a library is an apt image and keyword. Let's compare its relevance to other keywords. How do keywords like "scry" "surveil" "cipher" "strive" "adamant" "jump-start" "spectacle" "madness" "surge" etc. etc. make any more connotative sense with their abilities than "mill?"
Am I the only one who looks at Titan's Nest and goes, "meh?" Like, what are you going to ramp into with this after turns 3-4? A lot of the payoffs for big time ramp are eldrazi or X spells.
I love the new design! There are plenty of janky combo decks where you want to cheat something out of your library, and now there is a cheap way (outside of legacy) to put something stuck in your hand back in your deck, all while gaining value. Awesome!
This doesn't really seem like much of a hoop to jump through, right? The payoff of this guy isn't huge, but it is a 5/5 for 5. Certainly some mid-range decks in G that could easily just throw this in the SB as a companion.
This seems pretty good. Flexible and comes online as early as turn 3. Holding it up turn 4 for either counter spell or draw 2 is good, and late game the X is double, so you can still counter something when they have a lot of mana.
Both of the titans so far seem really playable. Just good value with really good top-end potential. The first use effects are not too overpriced for what they offer later.
Yeah, I would put Thassa pretty high on the list. Like Heliod > Thassa > Nylea > Purphuros > Erebos. An indestructible Soulherder is really quite good, even at 4 mana, because most of your best ETB abilities will be on 3 cmc cards. So you basically get value the turn she comes down at no additional mana cost. Her tap ability can play offense or defense. Solid card.
If only we had some way to know if a card reanimating itself for 2 CMC with a hefty delve cost were playable... I forget, it's hard to fill the graveyard, right?
Sure, this isn't an 8/8 trampler, but it gives you a draw 3. Doesn't that just seem like a treasure cruise that you don't even have to have in hand?
Yes, it is extremely hard to fill the yard in standard at the moment, especially a ridiculous number like 7 cards, unless we are going to get some new enablers in this set.
Well, sure, maybe this will be lackluster in standard. But most of the comments bashing this were missing a disclaimer saying they were only talking about it being bad in standard. This card will be bonkers in multiple formats. Forget the body, just imagine this being treasure cruise, only castable from the graveyard.
Treasure Cruise only wants 5 cards in the graveyard if you want to cast it for 2 mana, and you can cast it from hand for that cheap cost. You need to dump this guy if you want it for 2 mana and it eats 8 graveyard cards. It doesn't compare favourably to Haunted Dead in Modern Dredge because if I'm getting Haunted Dead out of the graveyard, it's often because I'm desperate to dredge in the first place.
Well, Treasure Cruise wants 6 cards in the yard if you cast it for 2, but for sure the escape part needs a slightly bigger yard. You're probably right this is not perfect for dredge. But rather than saying this card is worse than TC because you need to dump it in the yard to cast it for cheap, I would say it offers a whole world of value because you GET to dump it in the yard. Arclight Phoenix needs to get dumped in the yard, but you wouldn't say it's a worse Chandra's Phoenix because it has a slightly higher in-hand casting cost, would you? Now maybe with Looting gone from modern, this doesn't have a clear home yet, but it seems potentially abusable in something like a phoenix or dredge shell.
My favorite card of all time: Vesuvan Doppleganger. When I laid eyes on it as a 13 year old, MtG became the game that I played. Beautiful art, great power at the time, fun to play, and one of the first desirable rares I ever opened out of a pack.
But I guess free value in MTG is worthless. That's why those stupid, overcosted companions saw no play.
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Relevant creature type perhaps.
Well, Treasure Cruise wants 6 cards in the yard if you cast it for 2, but for sure the escape part needs a slightly bigger yard. You're probably right this is not perfect for dredge. But rather than saying this card is worse than TC because you need to dump it in the yard to cast it for cheap, I would say it offers a whole world of value because you GET to dump it in the yard. Arclight Phoenix needs to get dumped in the yard, but you wouldn't say it's a worse Chandra's Phoenix because it has a slightly higher in-hand casting cost, would you? Now maybe with Looting gone from modern, this doesn't have a clear home yet, but it seems potentially abusable in something like a phoenix or dredge shell.