Agreed as well will the above comment about Iok and thoughtseize. The game plan should be discard spell and take whatever you can't counter and destroy and wait for a window to drop a threat with counter back up. The damnations have also been awesome for me as we need a way to get card advantage and pull ahead after one for one'ing our opponents.
I don't mind putting in a couple stubborn denials as I did test them and once your opponent sees it once they will play around it which is exactly what we want.
As for the manlands I think the deck can handle main deck Tec edges or another singleton removal card like murderous cut or dismember would work.
I think the key to this deck to understanding what answers you have so when you have the option for discard you choose the card that you will have the most difficulty answering.
Side note Gerard mentioned siding out a land in some matches and I found that the deck can run off 23 lands without too much trouble especially in long Grindy match ups.
You probably want between two and three depending on your meta and how many creature decks you will see. The damnations can be used even to kill one creature if problematic so anytime you kill multiple creatures you are getting ahead. They work very well for creatures that are too large to abrupt decay or token strategies.
I actually played a black Suns zenith for a while as I was missing the extra damnation and it was a pretty good proxy. It was a little bit of a nombo with tasigur Snapcaster and goyf but it being scalable helped a lot against lingering souls while keeping your guys alive.
Thanks MX42.
I did some more testing let night putting back in the ser visions and taking out the ioks but leaving in a couple of thoughtseizes and the match up was much better. I play two Tec edges which helps a lot with the man lands and I thought about adding the rain of tears package as well. The golgari charm does have some additional side benefits so I'll leave them in.
Hello everyone.
I'm been testing this deck a lot (Fabiano list) and I wanted to get people's opinion on the abzan match up and what to sideboard.
I originally thought to sideboard out
4x serum visions
1x golgari charm
to bring in the following:
1x thoughtseize
1x Sower of Temptation
1x Damnation
1x Batterskull
1x Course of Death's Hold
(No fulminator mages)
I typically aim for a discard spell/mana leak opening to take their haymakers and use abrupt decays to kill the low cmc stuff, but I found the late game top deck wars kill you when you draw a thoughtseize/IOK. Has anyone had any good experience in this match up. It's about 50/50 for me, but I think it should be vastly in our favour. Thanks.
I don't mind putting in a couple stubborn denials as I did test them and once your opponent sees it once they will play around it which is exactly what we want.
As for the manlands I think the deck can handle main deck Tec edges or another singleton removal card like murderous cut or dismember would work.
I think the key to this deck to understanding what answers you have so when you have the option for discard you choose the card that you will have the most difficulty answering.
Side note Gerard mentioned siding out a land in some matches and I found that the deck can run off 23 lands without too much trouble especially in long Grindy match ups.
I actually played a black Suns zenith for a while as I was missing the extra damnation and it was a pretty good proxy. It was a little bit of a nombo with tasigur Snapcaster and goyf but it being scalable helped a lot against lingering souls while keeping your guys alive.
I did some more testing let night putting back in the ser visions and taking out the ioks but leaving in a couple of thoughtseizes and the match up was much better. I play two Tec edges which helps a lot with the man lands and I thought about adding the rain of tears package as well. The golgari charm does have some additional side benefits so I'll leave them in.
I'm been testing this deck a lot (Fabiano list) and I wanted to get people's opinion on the abzan match up and what to sideboard.
I originally thought to sideboard out
4x serum visions
1x golgari charm
to bring in the following:
1x thoughtseize
1x Sower of Temptation
1x Damnation
1x Batterskull
1x Course of Death's Hold
(No fulminator mages)
I typically aim for a discard spell/mana leak opening to take their haymakers and use abrupt decays to kill the low cmc stuff, but I found the late game top deck wars kill you when you draw a thoughtseize/IOK. Has anyone had any good experience in this match up. It's about 50/50 for me, but I think it should be vastly in our favour. Thanks.