Against Aggro decks +3 Bontus +1 Verdict +1 Push +1 Sl. Pact // -3 Pact of negation -3 Lotus Bloom
Against Blue Controll decks +4 Abolisher +2 Thoughtseize // -3 Spoils of the vault -3 Pentad Prism
The last 3 slots depends on the cards i see, with EE being the only card there that is still in testing, but it has performed great, destroy hate enchantments/artifacts and also cleans creatures.
Im playing the standard spoils list with 2 Lightning storm and 1 echoing truth maindeck
Now to serious issues, had the idea to test imps mischief again (so much space in the sb w/out the leylines #feelsgoodman), and i must say redirecting abrupt decays, that were targetting P.Unlife, to goyfs and confidants, is priceless. <3
3 year ad nauseam player here, lookig for a second good combo deck to play. Played already some torneys with the deck.
One thing ive always wondered is why no maindeck thoughtseizes?
-Plan A - Disrupt the oponent plan (hatebears and hatecards in general), or secure the combo against control (acts like a safer pact of negation mostly)
-Plan B - Discard Grisel stuck in hand - proceed to goryos it next turn and win (increasing the probability of turn 2 kill)
Ok, lets adress the elephant in the room, i cant take it no more
Im an ADN player for more than 3 years with thousands of games on me.
When people that dont play the deck ask me, what are the worse matchups of the deck, i often tell them "Infect, and then any midrange deck with black on it".
When they ask me then, how can i beat this black midrange decks, i just say "4 leylines in, and pray to have one in your opening hand".
In the last months though, this tranformed into "4 leylines in, and pray to have one in your opening hand...because then if you dont, you will be tempted to mulligan into it...after all 6 with leyline is always better than 7 without it...and you mulligan a good hand...and then your 6 is kinda horrible, but it has a leyline on it...will you mulligan or keep...if you keep youll lose to decays on the prisms and unlifes while looking to an ad nauseam, safely secured in your hand...if you mulligan, your down to five and the odds of getting another leylines are getting thiner...you know what, one day ill try playing without them, but not today"
That day came though. Over the past 6 months ive been regularly playing without leylines in my 75.
When you drop the leylines, you get 4 new spots in the sideboard, and there are so many cards, that cover a lot of bases, than can be put in the side.
But the main question obviously was "will my win percentage agains black midrange decks decline, or not". And i s*** you not, it didnt.
I play the spoils version with 2 Lightning storm main and 1 Echoing truth as a one of.
My current sideboard is:
3 Bontus last reckoning
3 swan song
2 Thoughtseize
1 Gigadrowse
1 Phyrexian Unlife
1 wear//tear
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Pact of Negation
1 Slaughter pact
1 Fatal Push
I started to realize fogs arent good anymore, we need to kill the cretures on the other side of the table, specially now that humans is a super strong deck.
So i wanted a sweeper, started with languish and then damnation but 4 was too much and sometimes a turn too late, so i opted for BLR for its cost. Ive lost games because of the no-untap clause, but the card saved way more times.
To end the kill package i have the slaughter pact, an all time classic, and i added a fatal push wich kills most relevant creatures in the format.Also the 4th Phyrexian Unlife for aggro.
Then against control, i had the 4th pact on the side and i wanted now to find a good and versatile counter and swan song is just that. And i think 3 is the right number. Against pure control decks, it just acts like a dispel. A 2/2 when youre trying to combo is irrelevant. And against Blood moon decks, its an enchantment hard counter, that can be ready as soon as turn 1.
Gigadrowse is an mvp against control decks that rely on counters. Also i found that gigadrowse can be good against some creature based decks that rely on attacking with few creatures, and also aganis tron, where it acts like a time walk on turn 2. (tapping both their tower and mine on their 3rd turn upkeep, then they just play the power plant and pass, holding a karn in hand. this sometimes is the diference beetween a win and a loss, against tron).
Thoughtseize is also another mvp against control decks, tron decks (taking exp map turn 1 is priceless and later the big threats).
Wear//tear and our bro laboratory maniac finish the slots, as 2 measures against hate cards and idiotic strategies (eg. soul sisters).
Against black midrange decks, i found there is only one solution: play good.
Just play good.
I started to keep the classic "air hands", basically hands with a mix of lands and some cantrips. The less of my combo i have in my hand at the begining, the better. Then start thinking turns in advance. Make a plan and follow it.
Thoughtseize has proven to be a very good card against these decks, either to take out the decay turn1 and be able to play prism turn 2 safely, or just to seize his seize before you triple cantrip and pass with a hand that kills next turn.
Also i started to feel my wins were not just leyline wins.
Search for azcanta seems very good in the deck (i havent liked a new card for this deck in a long time this should say something
You get to cantrip every upkeep making things easier to find, and flips easily to be a land, 1 extra blue mana and the ability to see the top4 every turn.
Its surely not good agains aggro, but maybe in sb against control?
The only problem i see is that cards do not go to bottom, but to the grave wich can be a little dangerous. (i mean the first seven, when it flips its ok)
Btw any of you guys realized yet, that killing death shadow with a lightning storm from hand is very effective?
I won 3 online matches in the last week doing it. they generally go to 3-5 life, thinking they are totally safe, and then they lose to a LS+1 land, without the combo
4 Grand Ablisher
3 Bontus Last Reckoning
2 Thoughtseize
1 Fatal push
1 Slaughter pact
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Wear/Tear
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Eng. Explosives
Against Aggro decks +3 Bontus +1 Verdict +1 Push +1 Sl. Pact // -3 Pact of negation -3 Lotus Bloom
Against Blue Controll decks +4 Abolisher +2 Thoughtseize // -3 Spoils of the vault -3 Pentad Prism
The last 3 slots depends on the cards i see, with EE being the only card there that is still in testing, but it has performed great, destroy hate enchantments/artifacts and also cleans creatures.
Im playing the standard spoils list with 2 Lightning storm and 1 echoing truth maindeck
How did it go?
Now to serious issues, had the idea to test imps mischief again (so much space in the sb w/out the leylines #feelsgoodman), and i must say redirecting abrupt decays, that were targetting P.Unlife, to goyfs and confidants, is priceless. <3
3 year ad nauseam player here, lookig for a second good combo deck to play. Played already some torneys with the deck.
One thing ive always wondered is why no maindeck thoughtseizes?
-Plan A - Disrupt the oponent plan (hatebears and hatecards in general), or secure the combo against control (acts like a safer pact of negation mostly)
-Plan B - Discard Grisel stuck in hand - proceed to goryos it next turn and win (increasing the probability of turn 2 kill)
Im an ADN player for more than 3 years with thousands of games on me.
When people that dont play the deck ask me, what are the worse matchups of the deck, i often tell them "Infect, and then any midrange deck with black on it".
When they ask me then, how can i beat this black midrange decks, i just say "4 leylines in, and pray to have one in your opening hand".
In the last months though, this tranformed into "4 leylines in, and pray to have one in your opening hand...because then if you dont, you will be tempted to mulligan into it...after all 6 with leyline is always better than 7 without it...and you mulligan a good hand...and then your 6 is kinda horrible, but it has a leyline on it...will you mulligan or keep...if you keep youll lose to decays on the prisms and unlifes while looking to an ad nauseam, safely secured in your hand...if you mulligan, your down to five and the odds of getting another leylines are getting thiner...you know what, one day ill try playing without them, but not today"
That day came though. Over the past 6 months ive been regularly playing without leylines in my 75.
When you drop the leylines, you get 4 new spots in the sideboard, and there are so many cards, that cover a lot of bases, than can be put in the side.
But the main question obviously was "will my win percentage agains black midrange decks decline, or not". And i s*** you not, it didnt.
I play the spoils version with 2 Lightning storm main and 1 Echoing truth as a one of.
My current sideboard is:
3 Bontus last reckoning
3 swan song
2 Thoughtseize
1 Gigadrowse
1 Phyrexian Unlife
1 wear//tear
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Pact of Negation
1 Slaughter pact
1 Fatal Push
I started to realize fogs arent good anymore, we need to kill the cretures on the other side of the table, specially now that humans is a super strong deck.
So i wanted a sweeper, started with languish and then damnation but 4 was too much and sometimes a turn too late, so i opted for BLR for its cost. Ive lost games because of the no-untap clause, but the card saved way more times.
To end the kill package i have the slaughter pact, an all time classic, and i added a fatal push wich kills most relevant creatures in the format.Also the 4th Phyrexian Unlife for aggro.
Then against control, i had the 4th pact on the side and i wanted now to find a good and versatile counter and swan song is just that. And i think 3 is the right number. Against pure control decks, it just acts like a dispel. A 2/2 when youre trying to combo is irrelevant. And against Blood moon decks, its an enchantment hard counter, that can be ready as soon as turn 1.
Gigadrowse is an mvp against control decks that rely on counters. Also i found that gigadrowse can be good against some creature based decks that rely on attacking with few creatures, and also aganis tron, where it acts like a time walk on turn 2. (tapping both their tower and mine on their 3rd turn upkeep, then they just play the power plant and pass, holding a karn in hand. this sometimes is the diference beetween a win and a loss, against tron).
Thoughtseize is also another mvp against control decks, tron decks (taking exp map turn 1 is priceless and later the big threats).
Wear//tear and our bro laboratory maniac finish the slots, as 2 measures against hate cards and idiotic strategies (eg. soul sisters).
Against black midrange decks, i found there is only one solution: play good.
Just play good.
I started to keep the classic "air hands", basically hands with a mix of lands and some cantrips. The less of my combo i have in my hand at the begining, the better. Then start thinking turns in advance. Make a plan and follow it.
Thoughtseize has proven to be a very good card against these decks, either to take out the decay turn1 and be able to play prism turn 2 safely, or just to seize his seize before you triple cantrip and pass with a hand that kills next turn.
Also i started to feel my wins were not just leyline wins.
But then i see ^^ this guy with them on the maindeck and maybe its too soon to adress the elephant in the room
My team is not sure still bout the third deck, but the secon one is 4c humans.
share your team mates deck
Leyline x4 inside.
You dont have it? so sad my bro, let me seize that adn
next
You get to cantrip every upkeep making things easier to find, and flips easily to be a land, 1 extra blue mana and the ability to see the top4 every turn.
Its surely not good agains aggro, but maybe in sb against control?
The only problem i see is that cards do not go to bottom, but to the grave wich can be a little dangerous. (i mean the first seven, when it flips its ok)
I won 3 online matches in the last week doing it. they generally go to 3-5 life, thinking they are totally safe, and then they lose to a LS+1 land, without the combo
That is a lie. Please dont lie.