Blood Moon or No Blood Moon I would like to get views on inclusion or not of Blood Moon in the SB. I have not been using the card, as I feel I would most want it for Valakut and Tron match-ups, but for those I can be successful racing them. I had a crazy idea to play Fulminator Mage to get a creature and deal with the lands, but too slow and not enough to hit multiple lands which is usually necessary against those MUs. Any thoughts? How many play Blood Moon and how many don't?
That’s what I thought. 6-1 with chart a course list. Gives us stubborn denial too... Desperate rsvings is a good option too
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Thanks for the info. Would you post your list for Blue and thoughts on White splash? Overall, I am working from BR with 2 Faeries and 3 Anglers (no Tasigur). Would be interested to see about white splash as one my my faves is Lingering Souls which is an excellent discard option and provides a bit of width and more fliers for evasion to get in those last points of damage or chump. I have been finding lately that the standard BR deck can just stall especially against go-wide decks.
@ekeinhol, great results! I would think about maybe another Relic, or Striking Slivers or Automaton. Looking forward to seeing how things go with fast slivers at next big event.
On Fast Slivers. I would welcome people's thoughts on success/failures in using Vials. I have gone Timba's route without them and have been happy with the speed in dropping a creature turn 1 instead of the vial. I know you make it up by turn 3, but often with fast slivers I get a lot of 1 drops so Vial seems not as fast. However, the surprise factor with Vial or pump with a Lord to save a sliver from Bolt is always relevant, or to mess up combat math. I also like the creature density - playing 35 creatures is often necessary when opponent packs a lot of removal. Thoughts?
Also, tho I am nor sure - and maybe someone who knows for sure can clarify - but I think Kitesail Freebooter ability is not as good as Tidehollow Sculler. The wording is different. I believe that with Kitesail, if it is destroyed while trigger is on the stack, you don't get to exile opponent card forever like you do with Tidehollow. You only get to look at opponent's hand. I often don't mind when someone Paths my Sculler with trigger on stack as I get to see hand a forever exile a card.....
Updating Some Results on MODO I've been playing fast slivers for the past week on MODO. I have played a total of 12 matches in the Tourney Practice Room as a warm up to enter a League which I hope to do next week. I played 9 matches using the list above in entry #1816, and played 3 Matches by changing the SB to -2 Chalice of the Void and +1Pithing Needle, +1 Grafdigger's Cage. Overall I have gone 9-3, including 2-1 over last 3 matches with different card configuration. I won 19 games over those matches and lost 10 (1 match was a 1-0 victory as the opponent lost first game and then quit). I didnt keep any info on sideboarding or the game action. I beat: Grixis Delver, Abzan, 4-Color Burning Vengeance, Mono-U Spirits, Grixis Control, Jund, Affinity, Mono-U Delver, Burn. I lost to Tron, Grixis Thing in the Ice, The Rock. Overall the deck is a lot of fun and I always felt in the match (except for Thing in the Ice). Overall, I am still not sure about playing the Chalices or the Needle/Cage. I seemed to draw them each match when I needed them (for instance I wasn't missing Chalices my last 3 matches. Thoughts welcome.
Hi. Not sure if this question is geared to processor decks rather than taxes decks. If taxes u may wish to post in that forum. For processors I play the Herder version of the deck, rather than Smasher. I went back to Sculler from Kitesail after some, but not a lot of testng. I am comfortable with the mana base to deal with the WB cmc for Sculler and prefer its ability to also hit creatures. By all means play it and let us know your results!
I like the Automaton a lot. Having 4 extra lords is important for speed of deck. Of course it is a nonbo with Harmonic Sliver so comes out in those matches. Chalice is mixed. I use it largely for combo decks (Storm, Ad Nauseum, Living End) plus Lantern, Affinity,Bogles, Infect and DS decks. I have used it on the play against burn. I have to admit I often would rather play 2 2-drop slivers against burn than Chalice for 2. But in late game it can stop burn dead as my experience shows they often hold bigger threats for late game (like Boros Charm). Overall I am still keeping it tho tempted to drop for a Pithing Needle and Grafdigger Cage. Sorry for format but posting from my phone.
I really have been struggling against Tron decks, and man lands in general. Necrotic just doesn't cut it. Wondering about cutting 1 Mutavault for a Ghost Quarter. Maybe add a Pithing Needle to SB. Also thinking of working in a second Dismember for removal. Otherwise agree with those moving away from traditional slivers to fast slivers until we see if Dominaria helps us out. Would like a Fulminator Sliver! Comments welcome...
Next Month is looking kind of exciting... there are three consecutive weekends in nearby (within 3 hours drive of me) cities hosting modern SCG IQ's and they are on Sundays so easily made by someone like me who works every single Saturday.
Next Month is looking kind of exciting... there are three consecutive weekends in nearby (within 3 hours drive of me) cities hosting modern SCG IQ's and they are on Sundays so easily made by someone like me who works every single Saturday.
I have been jamming games in MODO Tourney Practice Room with fast slivers (Timba's version) for the past week or so and very happy with it. It is true that I often have to explain the various mechanisms such as flanking, or difference in dealing poison with Virulent Sliver. Some opponents don't ask and then when they burned by Sidewinder they say "Oh now I understand how flanking works!" Overall, deck performs pretty well. Just try to avoid Blood Moon decks, and still struggle with big mana decks. Also combo if I have a slow hand. I am not entirely sold on using 2 Chalice in the SB. Maybe will give ThisisKraben sideboard with the extra Dismember over the Chalice.
I'm thinking of building this deck, but I dont have the budget for Chalices. Is the deck bad without them? I would be substituting main deck ratchet bomb and/or more answers such as warping wail or spatial distortion.
use 4 relic of progenitus like me. I own chalice, but dont use it in this deck. I am very happy without them. I am the only one here. I try both and win more with relic. Try it on x-mage and buy then later if you like chalice
Hi @mtgnorin. What does your deck look like these days?
Cool report and congratz on the result. Interesting with the Herders over Smashers. Have you tried both? What's your reason for picking herders? How is your mainboard gq working out? Do you feel like you need it or is it situational?
About your sideboard, How is LotV working out? What do you bring her in against? Also, that's some spice with Gideon's Intervention. What are you targeting with that card?
Sorry for all the questions. Hope you will answer them.
If you search this thread for ridetheiguana you will find many of the answers to your questions, as he has had the most posted success with this Herders version of the deck. I used to play smashers, but have switched over and happy I did. I have been playing more or less this version of the deck (http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=116775), and specifically its sideboard. I used to play Gideon's Intervention and liked it, but prefer these other cards - always not enough slots in SB for all I'd like to do.
Tested a bit today vs grixis control and affinity.
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I'm happy with the deck, i'm not running fetchland becouse it's my second deck and don't want spend too much money now, btw the manabase is ok with 2 godless and 1 filterland.
I am looking to return to infect and been encouraged by some of the new cards making their way into the 75. I was wondering if anyone has tested Sorcerous Spyglass? Any thoughts?
On Fast Slivers. I would welcome people's thoughts on success/failures in using Vials. I have gone Timba's route without them and have been happy with the speed in dropping a creature turn 1 instead of the vial. I know you make it up by turn 3, but often with fast slivers I get a lot of 1 drops so Vial seems not as fast. However, the surprise factor with Vial or pump with a Lord to save a sliver from Bolt is always relevant, or to mess up combat math. I also like the creature density - playing 35 creatures is often necessary when opponent packs a lot of removal. Thoughts?
I like the Automaton a lot. Having 4 extra lords is important for speed of deck. Of course it is a nonbo with Harmonic Sliver so comes out in those matches. Chalice is mixed. I use it largely for combo decks (Storm, Ad Nauseum, Living End) plus Lantern, Affinity,Bogles, Infect and DS decks. I have used it on the play against burn. I have to admit I often would rather play 2 2-drop slivers against burn than Chalice for 2. But in late game it can stop burn dead as my experience shows they often hold bigger threats for late game (like Boros Charm). Overall I am still keeping it tho tempted to drop for a Pithing Needle and Grafdigger Cage. Sorry for format but posting from my phone.
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Aether Hub
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Mana Confluence
4 Mutavault
4 Unclaimed Territory
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Sliver Hive
CREATURES (35)
4 Galerider Sliver
2 Striking Sliver
4 Virulent Sliver
4 Sidewinder Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
4 Leeching Sliver
2 Spined Sliver
2 Phantasmal Image
1 Blur Sliver
4 Adaptive Automaton
1 Dismember
2 Mutagenic Growth
1 Warping Wail
1 Darkheart Sliver
1 Syphon Sliver
2 Frenetic Sliver
3 Harmonic Sliver
2 Gut Shot
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Necrotic Sliver
1 Telekinetic Sliver
I really have been struggling against Tron decks, and man lands in general. Necrotic just doesn't cut it. Wondering about cutting 1 Mutavault for a Ghost Quarter. Maybe add a Pithing Needle to SB. Also thinking of working in a second Dismember for removal. Otherwise agree with those moving away from traditional slivers to fast slivers until we see if Dominaria helps us out. Would like a Fulminator Sliver! Comments welcome...
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/competitive-modern-constructed-league-2017-11-13.
I am wondering how those who play Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet think of the card. I have been playing one each of Liliana of the Veil and Liliana, the last hope in my 75 instead of Kalitas. I play the 4 mutavaults and like them. thoughts?