Well, I like where your going. But I don't know what to take out and put in. And adding green would push me into 4 colors which sounds like a bad idea.
It's not good, but I wanted to build a buyback deck after seeing Sentinel Tower, when it does work it's amazing but it's clunky and slow and wanted input to see if anyone had any ideas.
Yea, it used to run 4 of each at one point and splashed green to help get them into play much like legit tron, but as that became a real deck I slowly cut them down to 1... But I think it's time to let them go lol.
And that's an awesome idea. Unfortunately Gemstone has went up in price and I can't find my playset
All of the cards I play in this deck were bought for less than $10 including black lotus and the moxes (different times)
I still can't figure out how format decks right on here. Sorry.
This is a deck I have added to and changed since the beginning of time, it is meant to accidentally be strong but not too strong or consistent.
Also I attempt to represent new sets every time they come out. To add new cards I usually take down the number of older cards from 4 copies.. I don't like going outside of blue, and only want to splash one other color if necessary.
So, it has got above 60 cards, and I was wondering if the community could help reign it in a little. It's supposed to be fun but also have the ability to be a dick.. sometimes.
Bonus points to giving me a way to shut down my friends deck running 4 copies of all moxes, 4 copies of black lotus, 4 time walks, 4 ancestral recalls, channel, and fireball without spending money on chalice of the void or force of will, not the goal.. but definitely a plus.. we don't usually let him play that anyways.
It is what it is, I'm using the ruling from the official email.
I spelled out exactly what o was asking at one point I specifically stated "since new perspectives has a rule saying I still discard, I'm under the impression that discarding is a forced effect"
There was plenty of key sentences in this email that spelled out everything, if wizards made that big of a mistake, then they need to rethink their hiring process. Much like a card like Mairsil, the Pretender and Quicksilver Elemental interaction... as worded and via comprehensive rules, copying abilities would not append the once per turn restriction to the new abilities, but someone at wizards officialy said it does "just because"
I have one judge ruling from our local GS and an official email from wizards. If wizards made this colossal mistake and missed all the stuff I pointed out in the email, then Wizards needs to publicly append that. I'm not saying your wrong, just that it needs to be clear that as it stands I can't say your right either.
Yes, the contradiction is what I contacted them about. You are twisting the rules to your own perspective (flavor text pun aside) this is why i contacted them directly because the ruling contradicts itself.
Either costs with an S encompassed the entirety of cycling costs including discard, or the discard was a secondary forced effect and library worked, the answer given was due to the ruling of NP that library of leng currently works. I'm not saying they might not have made a mistake, but I spelled out all the rulings alongside my interpretation, and that's why I got back. If they errata new perspectives tho say "cycling cost" instead of "costs" or change the comprehensive rule wording, then this wouldn't have been an issue.
I don't know why ya'll are trying to prove something, I posted the offical ruling handed down to me by wizards. Until otherwise stated officially by wizards, that is the ruling. Feel free to reach out to them and have them correct themselves.
Where New Perspectives refers to cycling costs, it "refers only to the variable costs for [the cycling] keyword" (e.g., 2 in the case of Scattered Groves) (C.R. 702.1a; see also C.R. 702.28). For example, if you control New Perspectives and have seven or more cards in hand, you may pay "0, Discard a card" rather than "2, Discard a card" to pay for Scattered Groves's cycling ability (C.R. 702.28a).
I will however point out how I worded all my question to wizards covered this rule.
702.1a should not apply to New Perspectives because it says "Costs" with an S. I wrote all of this out plain as day, and specifically pointed out that it can not go both ways unless the wording of NP was changed.
That is the offical wizards ruling, which until told otherwise by wizards should be used. If discarding is cost then New Perspectives would allow cycling for without discarding. Cycling inheritly forces you to discard, idk..
When searching for the rules regarding this interaction, mtgsalvation was the first result in the search. Where it said that they did not work with one another. I am posting this as a reference for anyone searching for the same.
I emailed wizards and this is the official response.
The effect of Library of Leng is a "may" ability, so you can choose to have the card go to your graveyard instead of placing it on top of your library. You can create an infinite loop of cycling a card for free (and placing it back on top of your library as the card you will draw from the cycle), however, if there is no reason to do this, then a judge would force you to move the game forward since the "may" ability can be denied. So if you have an effect that activates from drawing cards, then you are fine to use this loop. But if you are using it purely to stall, then you would be asked to continue the game instead.
Thank you again for your time. We here at the Temporal Mechanics department truly understand how valuable your time is to you.
The beleif that discarding was a cost is debunked by New Perspectives not removing the requirements for discarding, thus it is a forced effect of cycling.
TL;DR: Per the official response from WOTC, Library of leng allows you to cycle to the top of your deck.
This card is very playable competitively, and fun a.f.
It's not a 4 of in the deck card, and you don't want to play until late game usually, in the right deck it's almost broken.
4x Evolving Wilds
9x Island
3x Plains
6x Mountain
Mana-Dorks [untap with Jeskai Ascendancy] (8)
4x Iron Myr
4x Silver Myr
4x Jeskai Ascendancy
4x Memory Crystal
4x Sentinel Tower
Instant Combo Pieces (10)
4x Haze of Rage
3x Mind Games
3x Whispers of the Muse
3x Trophy Mage
1x Fabricate
4x Drift of Phantasms
It's not good, but I wanted to build a buyback deck after seeing Sentinel Tower, when it does work it's amazing but it's clunky and slow and wanted input to see if anyone had any ideas.
And that's an awesome idea. Unfortunately Gemstone has went up in price and I can't find my playset
All of the cards I play in this deck were bought for less than $10 including black lotus and the moxes (different times)
This is a deck I have added to and changed since the beginning of time, it is meant to accidentally be strong but not too strong or consistent.
Also I attempt to represent new sets every time they come out. To add new cards I usually take down the number of older cards from 4 copies.. I don't like going outside of blue, and only want to splash one other color if necessary.
So, it has got above 60 cards, and I was wondering if the community could help reign it in a little. It's supposed to be fun but also have the ability to be a dick.. sometimes.
Bonus points to giving me a way to shut down my friends deck running 4 copies of all moxes, 4 copies of black lotus, 4 time walks, 4 ancestral recalls, channel, and fireball without spending money on chalice of the void or force of will, not the goal.. but definitely a plus.. we don't usually let him play that anyways.
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Black Lotus
2x Grim Monolith
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Panoptic Mirror
4x Powerstone Shard
1x Sol Ring
1x Time Vault
4x Voltaic Key
1x Blightsteel Colossus
4x Metalwork Colossus
1x Traxos, Scourge of Kroog
4x Voltaic Servant
4x Essence Depleter
Lands (33)
4x Evolving Wilds
10x Island
2x Mishra's Workshop
3x Seat of the Synod
2x Tolaria West
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Urza's Mine
1x Urza's Power Plant
1x Urza's Tower
3x Swamp
4x Terramorphic Expanse
1x The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1x Karn Liberated
Spells (12)
3x Dramatic Reversal
4x Mindbreak Trap
4x Rite of Replication
1x Tinker
I spelled out exactly what o was asking at one point I specifically stated "since new perspectives has a rule saying I still discard, I'm under the impression that discarding is a forced effect"
There was plenty of key sentences in this email that spelled out everything, if wizards made that big of a mistake, then they need to rethink their hiring process. Much like a card like Mairsil, the Pretender and Quicksilver Elemental interaction... as worded and via comprehensive rules, copying abilities would not append the once per turn restriction to the new abilities, but someone at wizards officialy said it does "just because"
I have one judge ruling from our local GS and an official email from wizards. If wizards made this colossal mistake and missed all the stuff I pointed out in the email, then Wizards needs to publicly append that. I'm not saying your wrong, just that it needs to be clear that as it stands I can't say your right either.
Either costs with an S encompassed the entirety of cycling costs including discard, or the discard was a secondary forced effect and library worked, the answer given was due to the ruling of NP that library of leng currently works. I'm not saying they might not have made a mistake, but I spelled out all the rulings alongside my interpretation, and that's why I got back. If they errata new perspectives tho say "cycling cost" instead of "costs" or change the comprehensive rule wording, then this wouldn't have been an issue.
I will however point out how I worded all my question to wizards covered this rule.
702.1a should not apply to New Perspectives because it says "Costs" with an S. I wrote all of this out plain as day, and specifically pointed out that it can not go both ways unless the wording of NP was changed.
I emailed wizards and this is the official response.
The effect of Library of Leng is a "may" ability, so you can choose to have the card go to your graveyard instead of placing it on top of your library. You can create an infinite loop of cycling a card for free (and placing it back on top of your library as the card you will draw from the cycle), however, if there is no reason to do this, then a judge would force you to move the game forward since the "may" ability can be denied. So if you have an effect that activates from drawing cards, then you are fine to use this loop. But if you are using it purely to stall, then you would be asked to continue the game instead.
Thank you again for your time. We here at the Temporal Mechanics department truly understand how valuable your time is to you.
The beleif that discarding was a cost is debunked by New Perspectives not removing the requirements for discarding, thus it is a forced effect of cycling.
TL;DR: Per the official response from WOTC, Library of leng allows you to cycle to the top of your deck.
It's not a 4 of in the deck card, and you don't want to play until late game usually, in the right deck it's almost broken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS29Wqq4Sto&t=7s
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9721DHtjatPQ4Izd8_WDVybFiz-gHohc
I have been slowly tuning the deck, the lastest decklist is available here
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vile-cyclepath/
And the casual legacy version.. does run four because removal -.-
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cyclepath/
Mishra's Workshop > Sol Ring > Grim Monolith > Basalt Monolith > Metalwork Colossus