Decks that i will probably play against are dredge, affinity, death shadow, rg ponza, elves, naya burn , death and taxes, hatebear, american control and rg tron...
Thanks in advance for your help
I would take out Spell burst and the 2 tks from sideboard and add 3 Surgical extraction,
This cards is so under rated, if you know the right cards to hit and counter then you can use surgical to disassemble their entire deck, it absolutely destroys dredge, and it destroys red green tron if you fetch for ghost quarter hit a tron land and then rip away their chances of ever having tron, they wont cast a threat till turn six when they hard cast a wurmcoil which we can easily counter
plus it lets you see their hand and go through their deck as well, all for 2 life its fire
I would also just straight up run 4 remand it is much better then mana leak. it can even just straight up win you the game against things like living end.
you can also counter your own spell in response to them trying to counter it so it goes back to your hand and you draw a card. great against things like American control, it deals with cryptic command very well.
Cmon guys, we need to pick up our game a bit. Shoktroopa is the only one even keeping this deck on the map in regards to statistics on things like mtg goldfish.
I'm with Juwdah on the Ashnod's altar. My meta's pretty cutthroat and almost every game winning situation can be swept out from under your feet. Ashnod's is so so important to keep Kozilek being cast, and also defending him from theft, or worse (song of the dryads). If you splooge your rocks and can't take advantage of them you just sit there losing all the ground you just made. I'm considering altar of dementia at this point for a further free sac.
Actually Candelabra of tawnos is great with lands like scorched ruins, the cloudpost lands when you have them out as cloudposts.
getting extra uses out of things like maze of ith and rishadan port, and it also produces tons of extra mana if you have a bunch of lands that tap for 2 or more which is actually very easy I used to run it and still think its a strong option but right now i am actually running it in a mono black deck hahafor the multiple cabal coffers i always get out with vesuva and thespians stage.
Because It has a bunch of utility but equipping it to Kozilek can be brutal and sometimes put us out of reach with things like Alhammerats archive. Gaining 16 or 32 life and having a 16/16 With lifelink, Vigilance and Annihilator 4 every turn is just great value.
Its also good with every single other creature in our decks. Plus Colorless decks Generally dont have a ton of efficient ways to gain life so being able to recur a 4/4 with lifelink and vigilance is always handy. we lose alot of life to alot of our own cards so gaining it never hurts.
Yup I have tried the new Kozilek, He is very powerful, way more then most people give him credit for And I like that little unblockable interaction with silent arbiter we nearly always have enough cards in hand to have the right cmc to counter stuff and there are a bunch of other ways to draw, also his counter ability is an activated ability which means it cant be countered well, only stifle and squelch are coming to mind right now? which makes it even stronger But my group is extremely competitive and i just love Butcher of truths annihilator ability, ( ive tried both and it was very close for me.)
Storage matrix has won me a fair few games, its actually alot better then people think, it makes our opponents have to focus on what to untap and makes every turn a puzzle for them, now when you have storage matrix out with winter orb or static orb it really limits our opponents options. (sometimes ours too but not usually.)
I run a bunch of tap effects like icy manipulator and ring of gix as you have mentioned above, also blinkmoth well, clock of omens and SOD (with karn silver golem) and im about to add ward of bones and smokestack
Im also adding mox opal once i pick up a masterpiece series one.
Ive been thinking about adding Myr turbine as well because with clock of omens i can do a hell of alot of work with it
I have a Foil Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth from planar chaos coming in the mail been saving for it I really want to get mishras workshop, Forcefield, and candelebra of tawnos but they are a little to expensive for me to be able to justify to the missus sadly haha.
I suggest you could add mycosynth lattice? it makes Kozilek unblockable with tower of the magistrate? It also makes people less likely to use cards like Kalemnes captain and saying artifacts with merciless eviction. im sure you already know this (it says you used to play Karn silver golem as a general) me too it can also go crazy with clock of omens and unwinding clock.
I personally wouldnt run sandstone oracle? I used it for a while and found that it often made casting The great distortion for card advantage alot harder, because you had to empty your hand again.
I would maybe replace it with nullbrooch? so you can counter spells and it also lets you discard your hand so you can cast Kozi and draw 7 instead of the usual 5,4 or 3.
I havent added Relic of progenitus or tormods crypt because there are only a few graveyard decks in my meta and even though they are optimized i am normally fast enough to deal with them most of the time.
How is mage ring network working out for you? im personally not a fan? but ive just never liked storage lands anyway.
I see you have the mindslaver lock with crucible of worlds and buried ruin? Am i sensing a fellow blue tron player here? I was thinking of adding it to my deck im just not really sure what to take out just yet haha?
Im not a huge fan of Thoughtknot Seer in EDH i know how strong it is in other formats but im just not convinced of it in a singleton format yet.
I see you dont run staff of domination? any reason why? its so useful? and goes infinite with so many things. namely metalworker. but even without going infinite it has so much utility like getting twice as may untaps with Clock of Omens for 1 mana per extra untap? tapping down enemy creatures or drawing a card in the end of someones turn if you just have mana up and need a sink? this is why i also run tower of fortunes, its another way to go infinite and it gives me a mana sink for value if it gets to later turns. (its also a remnant from my old Karn list).
I can imagine that Forcefield with crawlspace or Silent arbiter out provides some pretty amazing defence
Also I play Cloudpost and Glimmerpost. alot of people dont but ive had tons of luck with them Thespians stage and vesuva make these really strong and they are more useful then the tron lands. I remember 1 game where i actually had Vesuva,Thespian Stage and Cloudposts all as Cloudposts while i had Stormcauldron out, now normally this would be bad for me but i had alhammarets archive out and i top decked Glimmer post, this led to me gaining 16 life every turn just off of continually using glimmerpost for mana and playing it as both of my land drops each turn even without Archive this can lead to some cool shenanigans
I also run Deserted temple and Scorched Ruins. Some people are terrified of running scorched ruins in case people 3 for 1 them but i havent had any trouble with it, maybe once or twice but not often. also with crucible of worlds there really isnt any downside.
Now i once Had scorched ruins on the field with thespian stage then i played vesuva copying thespian stage, then i made thespian stage a copy of scorched ruins and because its already on the battlefield i didnt have to sac lands so i just had 2 lands that tapped for 4, next turn i made my second thespian stage (vesuva) into one as well resulting in 12 mana from 3 lands it was pretty cool
plus with deserted temple it makes 7 mana from 2 lands
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Hey guys Ive lurked on this thread for about an hour, read a lot of what was said, Love the primer
Juwdah's Take on Kozilek is very fresh and the primer was done very well.
I'm afraid that i run a fair few more combos then his old list however, my play group are extremely competitive and Ive been driven to make the list as optimized as i can, (this means going a more stax/combo route) although most of the time my opponents concede after Ive hit them with annihilator 4 a few times (sometimes much more then annihilator 4 but you guys know how that is )
I run two Ugins and one Mindslaver. Mindslaver is my backup wincon.
Ugin DOES destroy a ton of MUs, and Slaver getting exiled ruins the backup plan, but its all down to preference.
I find Ugin's impact to be more useful than a second slaver, because he IS extremely potent. Some people say a value slaver is nice. Run it how you will, play it how you will.
Honestly man i think you are definitely wrong. 2 Ugins main is fine and yes he does just straight up win us alot of games but ive been playing mono blue tron exclusivley in modern for about 2 and a half years and ive never run less than 2 mindslaver. mindslaver has far more utility then ugin as well. even without the lock you can win off of a single slaver activation.
Just watched the saved video on your Twitch man, Thankyou for running my list. I play it on paper and it works pretty well for me in my meta What do you think of the list?
P.S You have made a fan very happy.
4-2 isnt that bad shame about your draws against eldrazi tron.
This cards is so under rated, if you know the right cards to hit and counter then you can use surgical to disassemble their entire deck, it absolutely destroys dredge, and it destroys red green tron if you fetch for ghost quarter hit a tron land and then rip away their chances of ever having tron, they wont cast a threat till turn six when they hard cast a wurmcoil which we can easily counter
plus it lets you see their hand and go through their deck as well, all for 2 life
I would also just straight up run 4 remand it is much better then mana leak. it can even just straight up win you the game against things like living end.
you can also counter your own spell in response to them trying to counter it so it goes back to your hand and you draw a card. great against things like American control, it deals with cryptic command very well.
It combos with tons of cards
Actually Candelabra of tawnos is great with lands like scorched ruins, the cloudpost lands when you have them out as cloudposts.
getting extra uses out of things like maze of ith and rishadan port, and it also produces tons of extra mana if you have a bunch of lands that tap for 2 or more which is actually very easy
Our wallets are going to hurt.
I personally need 7 orf these cuz i play mono blue tron as well haha but there are some sweet new cards for us
Its also good with every single other creature in our decks. Plus Colorless decks Generally dont have a ton of efficient ways to gain life so being able to recur a 4/4 with lifelink and vigilance is always handy. we lose alot of life to alot of our own cards so gaining it never hurts.
Where to start? haha
Yup I have tried the new Kozilek, He is very powerful, way more then most people give him credit for
Storage matrix has won me a fair few games, its actually alot better then people think, it makes our opponents have to focus on what to untap and makes every turn a puzzle for them, now when you have storage matrix out with winter orb or static orb it really limits our opponents options. (sometimes ours too but not usually.)
I run a bunch of tap effects like icy manipulator and ring of gix as you have mentioned above, also blinkmoth well, clock of omens and SOD (with karn silver golem)
Im also adding mox opal once i pick up a masterpiece series one.
Ive been thinking about adding Myr turbine as well because with clock of omens i can do a hell of alot of work with it
I have a Foil Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth from planar chaos coming in the mail
I suggest you could add mycosynth lattice? it makes Kozilek unblockable with tower of the magistrate? It also makes people less likely to use cards like Kalemnes captain and saying artifacts with merciless eviction. im sure you already know this (it says you used to play Karn silver golem as a general) me too
I personally wouldnt run sandstone oracle? I used it for a while and found that it often made casting The great distortion for card advantage alot harder, because you had to empty your hand again.
I would maybe replace it with nullbrooch? so you can counter spells and it also lets you discard your hand so you can cast Kozi and draw 7 instead of the usual 5,4 or 3.
I havent added Relic of progenitus or tormods crypt because there are only a few graveyard decks in my meta and even though they are optimized i am normally fast enough to deal with them most of the time.
How is mage ring network working out for you? im personally not a fan? but ive just never liked storage lands anyway.
I see you have the mindslaver lock with crucible of worlds and buried ruin? Am i sensing a fellow blue tron player here? I was thinking of adding it to my deck im just not really sure what to take out just yet haha?
Im not a huge fan of Thoughtknot Seer in EDH i know how strong it is in other formats but im just not convinced of it in a singleton format yet.
I see you dont run staff of domination? any reason why? its so useful? and goes infinite with so many things. namely metalworker. but even without going infinite it has so much utility like getting twice as may untaps with Clock of Omens for 1 mana per extra untap? tapping down enemy creatures or drawing a card in the end of someones turn if you just have mana up and need a sink? this is why i also run tower of fortunes, its another way to go infinite and it gives me a mana sink for value if it gets to later turns. (its also a remnant from my old Karn list).
I can imagine that Forcefield with crawlspace or Silent arbiter out provides some pretty amazing defence
Also I play Cloudpost and Glimmerpost. alot of people dont but ive had tons of luck with them
I also run Deserted temple and Scorched Ruins. Some people are terrified of running scorched ruins in case people 3 for 1 them but i havent had any trouble with it, maybe once or twice but not often. also with crucible of worlds there really isnt any downside.
Now i once Had scorched ruins on the field with thespian stage then i played vesuva copying thespian stage, then i made thespian stage a copy of scorched ruins and because its already on the battlefield i didnt have to sac lands so i just had 2 lands that tapped for 4, next turn i made my second thespian stage (vesuva) into one as well resulting in 12 mana from 3 lands it was pretty cool
plus with deserted temple it makes 7 mana from 2 lands
Thankyou for The Feed back and I hope you reply to this as well
Juwdah's Take on Kozilek is very fresh and the primer was done very well.
I'm afraid that i run a fair few more combos then his old list however, my play group are extremely competitive and Ive been driven to make the list as optimized as i can, (this means going a more stax/combo route) although most of the time my opponents concede after Ive hit them with annihilator 4 a few times (sometimes much more then annihilator 4
This is my deck list: My Kozilek list
Please check it out guys and let me know what you think.
Congrats to ryan though
U Tron Represent
P.S You have made a fan very happy.
4-2 isnt that bad shame about your draws against eldrazi tron.