you dont care about value because you don't really have any value, its easy to say screw it when you dont have skin in the game.
My collection is worth at least a few thousand dollars, and I've been building it for many years. It may seem paltry to someone like yourself, but to a poor person, it is not insignificant to own cards worth as much or more than a paycheck. I don't sell cards because I want to keep my collection, and there's no way I could possibly get it back, but it's still skin in the game.
You may be right that Wizards doesn't care about poor people. Poor people are extremely used to that. Nevertheless, I don't see what difference that makes. Every player cares about card prices.
Your point that massive devaluation is bad for stores is a fair one. Rural game stores are almost universally struggling, and huge tanks across the board could have serious negative consequences for sellers, which hurts the game as a whole. Nevertheless, you have to recognize that the high value of cards is hugely negative to the game, and reasonable devaluation is hugely positive.
I do want to comment that I agree with most of the points Mergatroid_Jones makes. I do believe there is a limit to devaluation (dropping cards from $100 or higher to $5 overnight is not good) but a steady decline has all kinds of benefits. Most of which is that players can play more decks or play more often (or, in some cases, play at all). Lower prices creates potentially higher attendance. That higher attendance then raises the prices back up again. It is somewhat cyclical in this regard. I think there is a balance to how much Wizards can print before they start doing more harm than good, but I don't think they have actually gotten to those numbers yet.
In any case, I don't think someone's opinion on the desire for overall card prices to go down should be tied to their collection's value. That is a narrow way of looking at things. In case it does still matter though: my collection's value is in the 6 digits and I would be all for that value going down if it meant more people could play the game.
One funny point about this devaluation topic. I own two Shadowmoor boxes, with the reprint of Runed Halo, Fulminator Mage, Woodfall Primus, Kitchen Finks, Mistveil Plains and Devoted Druid, I was expecting a hard hit in those boxes value. But they didn't reprinted Manamorphose. Right, now, just because of that card spike, the EV of those boxes is bigger than it was before. Sure Manamorphose will drop, as the reprinted cards, but in the end, after a year, prices aren't lowering at all with the current reprint policy. I would prefer to buy new cards for a lower price than sell mine of a higher one (well, I don't sell either, but I trade). But anyone saying "reprint Tarmogoyff until it cost $1", really don't know what he's want.
Can someone explain to me why enfranchised PLAYERS (People who play the game because they like it, they like its mechanics, its playstyle, the interaction, the community etc.) will leave the game if WotC reprinted aggressively expensive cards? Don't try to persuade me that enfranchised players are the same as enfranchised ''mtg investors'' (LMAO) or pure scalpers, i just don't buy it. People who like to play the game, will keep playing the game with lower prices. I am not so sure about the opposite.
I think this isn't the point to look at. Wizards print and reprint policy should look the way to maximize their profit at long term, this is what a company do. This means that they need to find a balance between give players what they want to keep and grow that base, but without undervaluating their product, that would reduce their gain.
No one want a Iconic Masters 25 again, but another MM1 don't bring a real benefit for them. You can say this, with a large supply, would be a success as a best seller, but players will always want more. After that release, this standard is not good enought anymore. Each time they give "too much", their are lowering their product value, they'll need to add more and more value for a lower price.
Those horrendous Balenciaga sneakers could cost $20, the brand would make tons of money in the day they decrease the price, but whats happens after a year?
In the end, "what players want" is not mandatory for the health of the company.
MM1 ev was lower when it lauched. And $7 was impossible to get. The $1772 prove is the "ultimate" doesn't mean "better cost/benefit", means "moah stuff", and probably came with higher price.
Sorry, but what I'm missing? Looking at UMA shift in Mtggoldfish, for now, there is 94 cards (the 20 mythics, 40 rares, 34 rest)
Comparing with Modern Masters 1, that has a EV of $400:
MM (254 cards)
cards over $30
4 mythic
5 rares
$20-29.99
1 mythic
4 rares
$10-19.99
1 mythic
9 rares
1 uncommon
uncommon over $5
3
common over $5
1
uncommon $2-4.99
7
common $2-4.99
2
UMA (94 cards)
Over $30
13 mythic
11 rares
$20-29.99
3 mythic
6 rares
$10-19.99
3 mythic
8 rares
uncommon over $5
6
common over $5
0
uncommon $2-4.99
4
common $2-4.99
1
Sure, the prices will drop a lot in the next six months, but will start to increase after a year, because there's a lot of cards that retain value.
looking at all cards (except foils) in M25 from the "full spoilers pre order" to now, the value dropped 45% from $937.8 to $517.4. Those 94 cards in MTGgoldfish already worth $1667, even if all the other cards have $0, and the price drop the same as M25, $916,85, witch is the second best value from masters sets, losing to MM1. But UMA isn't M25, there is less Imperial Recruiters and more Modern Staples, and they said there isn't unlimited supply (we can't truly believe in that). Modern Masters 2015 had a decrease of 15% from pre order to now, MM1 and MM17 increased in value.
Looking at those numbers, I can't see how this set is "equal the rest of masters sets, just with a bigger price".
Do you expect every $10-14 booster to have a $14-80 rare/mythic + $5 uncommons +$2 commons +1 foil?
If you want to check value, don't name single cards.
With all those lands I imagine that Crop Rotation will be in this set (a god foil inclusion). Eith all the endrazis and Karn, probably tron or posts will be too.
Just about every set in the history of magic has had upwards of 2/3rds of the rares worth less than 1/3 of a pack price. This isn't new. Every pack you ever open you're accepting at least a 50% chance that the rare in it isn't worth half what you paid for the pack.
Not every set costs 14 dollars per pack. Standards need to be higher for a premium product like this one.
Just wanted to share this video about how the topper packs are searchable. Uploaded by a guy who was able to figure out how to do it. Caution for those buying overpriced topper packs on Ebay and the like.
Blasfemous act it is the way to go, or start extintion, lol.
But is look a very risk card, T5 you play it, T6 your opponent attacks with 3 creatures that fight it, lose 3 low creatures and draw 8 cards. Or a single 2/2 deathtouch and get 2 cards.
Probably is a better card in some bounce deck commander deck, deal damage to it, bounce it, draw cards.
One funny point about this devaluation topic. I own two Shadowmoor boxes, with the reprint of Runed Halo, Fulminator Mage, Woodfall Primus, Kitchen Finks, Mistveil Plains and Devoted Druid, I was expecting a hard hit in those boxes value. But they didn't reprinted Manamorphose. Right, now, just because of that card spike, the EV of those boxes is bigger than it was before. Sure Manamorphose will drop, as the reprinted cards, but in the end, after a year, prices aren't lowering at all with the current reprint policy. I would prefer to buy new cards for a lower price than sell mine of a higher one (well, I don't sell either, but I trade). But anyone saying "reprint Tarmogoyff until it cost $1", really don't know what he's want.
I think this isn't the point to look at. Wizards print and reprint policy should look the way to maximize their profit at long term, this is what a company do. This means that they need to find a balance between give players what they want to keep and grow that base, but without undervaluating their product, that would reduce their gain.
No one want a Iconic Masters 25 again, but another MM1 don't bring a real benefit for them. You can say this, with a large supply, would be a success as a best seller, but players will always want more. After that release, this standard is not good enought anymore. Each time they give "too much", their are lowering their product value, they'll need to add more and more value for a lower price.
Those horrendous Balenciaga sneakers could cost $20, the brand would make tons of money in the day they decrease the price, but whats happens after a year?
In the end, "what players want" is not mandatory for the health of the company.
No, add that and looks like a really good $12 pack to me.
Comparing with Modern Masters 1, that has a EV of $400:
MM (254 cards)
cards over $30
4 mythic
5 rares
$20-29.99
1 mythic
4 rares
$10-19.99
1 mythic
9 rares
1 uncommon
uncommon over $5
3
common over $5
1
uncommon $2-4.99
7
common $2-4.99
2
UMA (94 cards)
Over $30
13 mythic
11 rares
$20-29.99
3 mythic
6 rares
$10-19.99
3 mythic
8 rares
uncommon over $5
6
common over $5
0
uncommon $2-4.99
4
common $2-4.99
1
Sure, the prices will drop a lot in the next six months, but will start to increase after a year, because there's a lot of cards that retain value.
looking at all cards (except foils) in M25 from the "full spoilers pre order" to now, the value dropped 45% from $937.8 to $517.4. Those 94 cards in MTGgoldfish already worth $1667, even if all the other cards have $0, and the price drop the same as M25, $916,85, witch is the second best value from masters sets, losing to MM1. But UMA isn't M25, there is less Imperial Recruiters and more Modern Staples, and they said there isn't unlimited supply (we can't truly believe in that). Modern Masters 2015 had a decrease of 15% from pre order to now, MM1 and MM17 increased in value.
Looking at those numbers, I can't see how this set is "equal the rest of masters sets, just with a bigger price".
No, Tarmogoyf has a foil stamp in the card, Storm Crow don't. lol
Seriously, print cost matters the same for MTG precification as manufacture for a Louis Vuitton bag.
Do you expect every $10-14 booster to have a $14-80 rare/mythic + $5 uncommons +$2 commons +1 foil?
If you want to check value, don't name single cards.
With all those lands I imagine that Crop Rotation will be in this set (a god foil inclusion). Eith all the endrazis and Karn, probably tron or posts will be too.
Looks like already it is.
The topper pack will come inside the booster box or outside?
But is look a very risk card, T5 you play it, T6 your opponent attacks with 3 creatures that fight it, lose 3 low creatures and draw 8 cards. Or a single 2/2 deathtouch and get 2 cards.
Probably is a better card in some bounce deck commander deck, deal damage to it, bounce it, draw cards.