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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Toast - is just always town. Behavior and mechanics.
    Kaba - essentially the same as above. I've connected with his mindset a bunch.
    Shadow - probably ought to do some due diligence here because shadow, but I've felt good about him all game and the tubba push does not look like a bus.
    StinkyJoe - haven't really liked his thoughts, and no opinion on Cantrip. But Eternal looked really town.
    Jey - don't think that's how Tubba treats a buddy in his first game. Looks much less likely than the way he largely ignored and occasionally talked about other people with Lngrrr and Rodemy.
    Killjoy/Anak - (screaming internally)
    Rodemy - see above
    Lngrrr - see, like, my entire iso
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    @toast
    All the issues I had with Rodemy the first day or two are still there. The opportunism/out of context reads, the overreaction to killjoy scumreading him, the ridiculous Kaba push. And the associations that made me put him aside ended up either flipping town or... being Jey... who is probably town... I guess...

    Now adding in avoiding town wagons and interactions (or lack thereof) with Tubba, and yes I think Rodemy looks like scum.

    I only had time for ~half of the reading I wanted to get done this weekend. Right now I'm thinking tubba/lngrrr/rodemy, with the 4th being likely one of KJ/Anak but I haven't dove deep on either yet. Maybe leaning a little back towards Killjoy for super esoteric reasons.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    votes on tubba:
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Vote Tubba

    Also interested in anyone else who would be willing to lynch KJ

    Quote from Rodemy »
    Ugh. Fine. vote tubba fett

    I'll follow ATPG only because his posts have been.. good.


    Quote from Killjoy »
    vote tubba

    Bolding sucks on mobile now.

    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    I'm vanilla town, Gouge Out Me Eyes Dobbler. If that helps anyone

    Vote: Tubba

    I don't love Tubba as a lynch, but anyone over me or a no lynch.

    @Jey You may disagree with Pa, but calling him out for not solving the game and pushing bull***** isn't fair. Why are you even nominating him as a new candidate this close to lynch? Be more useful with your vote

    Quote from Toastboy »
    Loving Pizza's posts. This is how you play mafia. Find myself agreeing with quite a lot of what he says and I like the pov style. Not entirely sold on JeyK being town (although I'm leaning that way) or LnGrrr being scum, but that's a minority. I was leaning town on StudyLatin or at least had no reason to believe he was scum so happy to trust him.

    Tubba's response to Pizza, particularly "Your slot has no such confirmation, but everybody has to clear themselves to you? Latin had some town blood on his hands, iirc the votes. Why do you get a free pass?" #1195 looks like panic trying to stay calm. His post #1215 is not a townie trying to get a correct lynch with one day left on the clock. It's someone trying to defend themselves without freaking out.

    Disagree with JeyK on pa Tennis. He's one to look at but not with four hours to the goddamn deadline.

    Vote: TubbaFett as he is the larger wagon atm. Still happy for Anak but I don't see that switching in this short time period. That's four votes. We have an hour and a half left, people...


    Quote from JeY k »
    Vote Tubba Fett

    Let's see which scum player wants to execute their buddy

    Vote Tubba Fett

    I've got a scum inside my greens and above if this slot is town. Not all my nulls are scum, but I think for partners, it's inside Jey K or El-slot if this is wrong. I don't think it can be shadow and pa and anak and lngrrr. Which means I didn't make a good circle.

    I need to know that to go forward.
    Not a lot of info here. Will see more context when I iso anak/killjoy. Rodemy not mentioning Tubba all game and then joining the wagon to sheep Pizza is noted.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Tubba does look to be just pushing a vulnerable target in Jey to avoid talking about other things. Which does seem more likely to make Jey town. Pizza thought her not bussing him back cemented that. Not really sure why. Her approach to Tubba does look like partners. His doesn't.

    If I'm on the right track at all, this scumteam is avoiding interacting with each other. And Jey certainly doesn't work there.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Reread a fair amount. Did some isos. Confirmed my bias.

    tubba>lngrrr
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    Ah, also forgot: JeyK's vote on Eternal is semi-useless because we know she wants to lynch EternalLurker, as she has since early D1. By continuing to keep her vote on there, she isn't putting any new information into the thread, and I think she has proven that she can't push a good case against Eternal. So nothing is gained, and continuing to repeat various versions of "Scummy but I can't put my finger on it" won't help.

    My vote 1) got his attention and 2) signifies I am willing to lynch him, which I think is new information.


    I read this and realised it could apply to me as well. By focusing on JeY, I've been ignoring other players.
    I'm not moving my vote for previously stated reasons, but I am going to pull back and look over things to see what else is going on.

    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    Town points to Anak for doing that unrequested.

    @Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?

    Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.


    It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
    The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.
    lngrrr>tubba
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    @Tubba, because if you think Cantrip is scummy, he's just going to coast the next Day or so with hardcore lurking. Not sure if you've noticed, but wagons on lurkers don't really go anywhere.

    Also, the amount of people doubting Kaba right now is pretty ridiculous. He's been alive one Night. If he is alive toMorrow, maybe. But right now everyone is throwing shade at his claim, and it makes it easier for scum to jump in and try to discredit the un-counter-claimed cop.

    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    I'll be available, though if it gets to 28 or 29 hours from now that's my sleeping time so I promise nothing past that.

    If we aren't asking an extension, I ask everyone to list their top 3 lynch candidates, REGARDLESS of how likely you think that lynch is toDay. We can work that out later.

    1) Lurker/Cantrip/Terry
    2) Pa Tennis
    3) Tubba Fett

    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    @PizzaGuy, respectfully disagree with you. My point is that looking at the vote counts is a lot quicker than ISO'ing Killjoy for me. Re: scumspects, I usually focus on the one or two people I find scummiest, and then work the rest out as the game goes along. If you ask me to name four scum suspects right off, I probably won't be very strong on them. Even Tubba, my third read, I'm not that certain of. I try to latch on to the one or two people I think are scummy, determine their alignment, and go from there.
    tubba>rodemy
    Quote from Tubba Fett »

    NULL
    Rodemy: Another waffle read for me, Rodemy seems to be playing a similar game to Eternal, pushing at perceived weaknesses and applying pressure to get responses.
    <snip>
    SCUM
    GF21: I didn't have a good read on Blues, but Grapefruit's entry post claiming town feels bad, and by basically rehashing the feed and adding no new thoughts, except for a dubious claim that Rodemy is town, basing that claim on Rodemy being essentially unreadable is also troublesome for me.

    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    I would vote JeY, Shadow, and Rodemy.
    I'd need some more convincing to go Zionite, I haven't seen it myself.

    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    @Rodemy
    If kaba is scum, what do you think about him clearing toast?

    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from Rodemy »

    Quote from Kabazame »
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    Town points to Anak for doing that unrequested.

    @Anak, what do you think of Pa Tennis's attack on me? Do you agree it is a misrep or take his side?

    Also, because he actually posted. Why does it feel like half the game is lurking? Tubba, Cantrip, and SL need to post, and really, everyone needs to start posting more. I don't want to be stuck in another situation like yesterDay.


    It was requested. Like at least two days ago. For a guy who wants to lean on people for a lack of posting, he hasn't exactly been tearing up the megabytes. However it is refreshing to see people noticing that JeY has done almost next to nothing to help solve the game.
    The timing of kaba's claim is a little smelly, but without a counter claim it's hard to dismiss it out of hand. That being said, I've been back and forth on him this whole game. This whole claim issue has me going in circles again. scumKaba claims to avoid lynch, doesn't die at night, and has no new info for the following day?? townKaba claims to avoid mislynch, doesn't dieat night and has no new info for the following day?? Only one of those scenarios makes sense to me. The only way I can figure kaba being completely truthful is that scum somehow knew Vaimes was power, but from briefly re-reading I can't see anything that would indicate that. I think we need to unpack and discuss this.


    What I'm guessing happened is they have a roleblocker and decided to just RB me and try to kill someone else. Like I'd be surprised if Vaimes didn't save me last night, and since I was an obvious Doctor target the right play is to RB me and just try to hit the doctor, as long as the roleblocker is alive. I was really close to just claiming roleblocked to keep them wasting it on me but decided against it


    Wait.. what?

    few things wrong with this.

    A: How would claiming roleblocked keep them wasting it on you when they will know they didn't do it...
    B: Your assumption that they have a roleblocker is very.. confident.
    With this line of reasoning, you should never have claimed that you had one shot so they WOULD keep wasting it on you (assuming they even have an RB)



    This is exactly what's been bugging me. Kaba is either lying or at best not telling the whole truth here. The people who keep saying not to worry about it, should start to consider worrying about it!
    rodemy>tubba
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Ugh. Fine. vote tubba fett

    I'll follow ATPG only because his posts have been.. good.
    Holy crap that was the first time he mentioned tubba.
    These are all the mentions between those 3. Some putting eachother in their scumreads but not pushing. A bit of talking about other players.

    Most noteworthy thing in there is Tubba nullreading Rodemy and shading Grapefruit for townreading him.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Ugh. Fine. vote tubba fett

    I'll follow ATPG only because his posts have been.. good.


    Nevermind. He was very nonspecific wrt pizza. Still, an impressive feat of not reading the game.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    If rodemy is scum I'm going to be offended that I wasn't talked about in scum chat.

    I thought he knew though. I seem to remember him agreeing with one of pizza's posts where he was just calling me tom.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Quote from Pa Tennis »

    only deciding to be part of the lynch when there's credit to be had seems a quintessentially scumRodemy thing to do.


    Oh do tell me where you got this information.

    Do you think it's incorrect?
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Oh I should really be using an earlier day 2 votecount.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Grapefruit21 - 9 (Anaklusmos, Kabazame, EternalLurker, Pa Tennis, Vaimes, Study Latin, Killjoy, Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx)
    JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Rhand, Toastboy)
    Kabazame - 2 (LnGrrrR, JeY k)
    Killjoy - 1 (Rodemy)
    Not Voting - 1 (Zionite)

    Zionite - 8 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, Killjoy, Shadowlancerx, Study Latin, Pa Tennis, LnGrrrR)
    JeY k - 4 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite)
    Killjoy - 2 (Anaklusmos, Vaimes)

    Tubba Fett - 7 (shadowlancerx, Rodemy, Anaklusmos, Toastboy, Killjoy, JeY k, Askthepizzaguy)
    JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Kabazame, Pa Tennis)
    Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
    Not Voting - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)

    The reads these colors are based on need some updating after a reread with scumTubba in mind. I'm tentatively planning on getting that done Friday or Saturday.

    Rodemy/Anak/Lngrrr/Jey stand out on votecounts with scum's natural tendency to spread themselves out. To a lesser extent Shadow/Killjoy do as well. Both on all 3 lynches. (Only me and Kaba were on both town lynches and NOT tubba so I guess we don't have a real powerwolf.)

    I want to especially pay attention to Rodemy on reread because only deciding to be part of the lynch when there's credit to be had seems a quintessentially scumRodemy thing to do.

    Lngrr stayed off Tubba. At least one teammate bussed him. Probably two. Three would be hilarious, but probably not.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Pa Tennis: why did you defend Tubba all the way up to the end? What was so town telling?

    Had more to do with Jey tbh. Pizza came up with a dichotomy there for reasons I don't fully understand, so I sort of just entered "it can't be Tubba because it's Jey" mode. Still think he was super townie day 1, but he was pretty stagnant/uninterested/meh after that.

    I'm finally going to have some time off this week. Need to sink some effort into seeing if I want to sheep Pizza on Jey being clear now, and come to some kind of conclusion on Anak/Killjoy. Still think we should just lynch Lngrrr though. Everyone else offwagon yesterday is town.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Shoot, I'm going to go back on one thing though. There were a lot of subdued discussions between Tubba and Shadow. Of Tubba's 44 posts, 7 were addressed directly to Shadow, who he "scum read" the whole game. Not a single vote on him, or even a real push. I'm not pushing Shadow right now, but I'm not giving him a free pass either.

    You think Tubba was... sophisticated enough... to treat a buddy like that?

    In my experience, new scum tends to either bus because they're afraid of looking bad or just push townies because that's what you're supposed to do.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Quote from JeY k »
    When I have time I'll put together the case.

    I'd settle for you just explaining what was similar about my pushes on Grape and Killjoy (they weren't). Or why that would be scummy in the first place (it isn't). Or how that could possibly still apply now that I don't even ******* know if I still think Killjoy is scum.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    Pa Tennis, why are you linking Tubba and JeY together as if they were the same alignment in Pizza's reads?

    That's actually the opposite of what I'm saying.
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  • posted a message on Low Fantasy Mafia - Day 4 - Blink and You'll Miss Him
    Haven't really had time to check Pizza's work on Tubba/Jey, but he's usually right about these things.

    Vote Lngrrr

    Anak/Killjoy still feels really muddy, but Lngrrr doesn't. He is just scum.
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