Shoot, I'm going to go back on one thing though. There were a lot of subdued discussions between Tubba and Shadow. Of Tubba's 44 posts, 7 were addressed directly to Shadow, who he "scum read" the whole game. Not a single vote on him, or even a real push. I'm not pushing Shadow right now, but I'm not giving him a free pass either.
You think Tubba was... sophisticated enough... to treat a buddy like that?
In my experience, new scum tends to either bus because they're afraid of looking bad or just push townies because that's what you're supposed to do.
I'd settle for you just explaining what was similar about my pushes on Grape and Killjoy (they weren't). Or why that would be scummy in the first place (it isn't). Or how that could possibly still apply now that I don't even ******* know if I still think Killjoy is scum.
I'm going through some stuff and found this post which explains why Pa Tennis is scum if Killjoy is town and he continued to say I'm claiming that for no reason still.
@jey the people on his wagon are probably a good place to look. why would killjoy being town make me scum?
So this is the response I lost and I'm really upset, but in a nutshell I feel like both of your pushes on Grapefruit and Killjoy are flowing the same, and after two in a row I'd be fed up with your mislynches and take matters into my own hands.
That's... not really an explanation. It says you typed one and lost it. Which is certainly believable because curse.
But what little explanation you ended up giving certainly doesn't apply now, and I don't think it applied then either.
I think I found a more useful place for my vote Vote jey
Pa (and to a lesser extent Pizza): go read Anak's Iso in Horsemen Mafia, it's 25 posts (this game it's 24) and tell me that Anak doesn't seem significantly different between the games. Maybe that means he learned from that scum game and is playing better, but I still think he's town.
He's definitely playing well if he's scum. Big relative footprint, some nice tonal markers. I really want him to be town. But it looks less likely when I try to build teams.
Tell me why you are not pushing back on your accusers, and while having multiple votes on you, you instead decide to not once, not twice, but three times vote for someone who was not voting for you, who had little chance of being lynched, which would encourage this person to also vote for you.
Jey has spent the vast majority of her posts shading or pushing her accusers. And the fact that her votes don't often match her reads is an entirely separate matter.
Like, 3 of her main accusers have been Lurker, Tubba, me. Her response has been hard scumreading for bad reasons, pocketing, and mostly just saying she hates the way I play and saying townKilljoy means I'm scum for... uh... idk. Respectively.
I can see how you came to that conclusion from votes. But you need to iso.
I need to look at Jey/Anak and Jey/Killjoy. Maybe Jey/Tubba too.
Lngrrr still my preferred lynch by a pretty wide margin.
Re: Anak and Killjoy I can't go higher than something like 50-40 with a 10% chance that they're both town and going down that path leads to us losing tomorrow. That terrifies me.
Not really seeing Tubba as scum. Like, it's not impossible or anything. And the engagement lowering when I expected it to rise is concerning, but he hasn't really seen any of his reads flip to build confidence/force reevaluation and a lot of the newscum tells Pizza is seeing are really just newplayer tells. Jey still more likely scum than Tubba.
@Pizza you have anything outside of votes from people that haven't flipped scum pointing to town Jey? Like, I agree her and Tubba aren't buddies. But still looks actively aligned with Lngrrr, and more than possible with Anak/Killjoy.
@StinkyJoe I think you're missing the context on eod2. We literally couldn't lynch anyone but Zionite with the people here.
Actually Jey would work pretty nicely on that team. I've been over Lngrrr/Jey, and I talked a little about Anak/Jey earlier. But her casual agreement of the popular "noobtown" read on Tubba is a solid way to treat a buddy.
How are you feeling on Shadowlancerx?
Solidly town, but... Shadow.
In my not-so-humble opinion the answer to your predecessor's question about who has the best scumgame is either me or shadow. And now maybe you but you weren't here at the time.
Hmmm. Looking at Anak again, I think his evolution on Lngrrr and Jey is suspect.
He had a pretty aggressive read on lngrrr early on and then just... never mentions him again until townreading him. Jey he never mentions at all except he doesn't want to lynch her because wagon but is scumreading her for the vaguest of reasons.
It sort of just reminds me I really need a scum flip since I seem to have more associative reads than distinct indvidual scumminess. But I could see Anak fitting on some teams pretty well.
So my strongest memory of Killjoy is, perhaps unsurprisingly, his approach to me. He asked me a handful of questions that were some combination of irrelevant, already answered, and nitpicky. I hated it. And when I started to call him out for it and no one was buying what he was selling, he just... backed it off. And he said it was because he always scumreads me. And then it changed to because I was faking a playstyle that's what he was seeing. And neither quite works and both doesn't make any sense. But I also seem to recall him getting mislynched one time for tunneling me for stupid ***** and maybe townKilljoy just decides to back off there because he remembers that and doesn't want it to happen again and that sort of works timing-wise but man does it just look like he's making ***** up to back off reasonably.
And then there's that group of people I'm scumreading already that just... united to make Zionite a wagon over Jey/Killjoy all for reasons that I'm just gonna go ahead and call suspect and it looks on purpose by why would the others do that if killjoy was town?
But then I think if killjoy is town wagons tell me there's scum in Vaimes (nope), Latin (don't think so), shadow (god dammit shadow), or Anak (pondering...)
So yeah. Where I'm at:
It seems pretty ******* likely there's exactly one scum in [killjoy/anak] so the two of them hard scumreading eachother feels correct I guess. But I don't really want to bet the game on lynching through the two of them.
And for a little context, Me/Killjoy/Anak were the scumteam for actual months together in Mindscrew. I would never give you this as homework. But... Our 1000+ post scumchat
I read a little of this the other day and had a sudden ~irrational fear they were scum together and ******* with me.
Thought both slots were town already, but I'm reasonably happy with the replacements working their way into this game.
Lngrrr really cloying towards Pizza this page. And I think all of his lynch candidates are town. Vote Lngrrr
Answer me this, Tom:
Lngrrr + Tubba + Anak + ______ = scum team
Actually Jey would work pretty nicely on that team. I've been over Lngrrr/Jey, and I talked a little about Anak/Jey earlier. But her casual agreement of the popular "noobtown" read on Tubba is a solid way to treat a buddy.
You think Tubba was... sophisticated enough... to treat a buddy like that?
In my experience, new scum tends to either bus because they're afraid of looking bad or just push townies because that's what you're supposed to do.
I'd settle for you just explaining what was similar about my pushes on Grape and Killjoy (they weren't). Or why that would be scummy in the first place (it isn't). Or how that could possibly still apply now that I don't even ******* know if I still think Killjoy is scum.
That's actually the opposite of what I'm saying.
Vote Lngrrr
Anak/Killjoy still feels really muddy, but Lngrrr doesn't. He is just scum.
Ok, I'll bite. Following the link:
That's... not really an explanation. It says you typed one and lost it. Which is certainly believable because curse.
But what little explanation you ended up giving certainly doesn't apply now, and I don't think it applied then either.
I think I found a more useful place for my vote
Vote jey
tubba - 3 (shadow, jey, rodemy)
anak - 2 (killjoy, toastboy)
jeY - 2 (tubba, kabazame)
killjoy - 1 (anak)
lngrrr - 1 (pa tennis)
pa tennis - 1 (lngrrr)
abstaining - 2 (pizza, stinkyjoe)
Planning on taking a break before deadline to make sure my vote is useful.
He's definitely playing well if he's scum. Big relative footprint, some nice tonal markers. I really want him to be town. But it looks less likely when I try to build teams.
Jey has spent the vast majority of her posts shading or pushing her accusers. And the fact that her votes don't often match her reads is an entirely separate matter.
Like, 3 of her main accusers have been Lurker, Tubba, me. Her response has been hard scumreading for bad reasons, pocketing, and mostly just saying she hates the way I play and saying townKilljoy means I'm scum for... uh... idk. Respectively.
I can see how you came to that conclusion from votes. But you need to iso.
I need to look at Jey/Anak and Jey/Killjoy. Maybe Jey/Tubba too.
Re: Anak and Killjoy I can't go higher than something like 50-40 with a 10% chance that they're both town and going down that path leads to us losing tomorrow. That terrifies me.
Not really seeing Tubba as scum. Like, it's not impossible or anything. And the engagement lowering when I expected it to rise is concerning, but he hasn't really seen any of his reads flip to build confidence/force reevaluation and a lot of the newscum tells Pizza is seeing are really just newplayer tells. Jey still more likely scum than Tubba.
@StinkyJoe I think you're missing the context on eod2. We literally couldn't lynch anyone but Zionite with the people here.
Solidly town, but... Shadow.
In my not-so-humble opinion the answer to your predecessor's question about who has the best scumgame is either me or shadow. And now maybe you but you weren't here at the time.
And for a little context, Me/Killjoy/Anak were the scumteam for actual months together in Mindscrew. I would never give you this as homework. But...
Our 1000+ post scumchat
I read a little of this the other day and had a sudden ~irrational fear they were scum together and ******* with me.
Actually Jey would work pretty nicely on that team. I've been over Lngrrr/Jey, and I talked a little about Anak/Jey earlier. But her casual agreement of the popular "noobtown" read on Tubba is a solid way to treat a buddy.
Lngrrr really cloying towards Pizza this page. And I think all of his lynch candidates are town.
Vote Lngrrr