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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Also if anyone really wants I can talk about what I was looking for in Axel. But if no-one cares because he's dead then I'd rather keep it in my pocket for next time I need to read him.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Sorry I missed Day start, I was away over the weekend.

    Fundamentally, there are now three possible worlds:
    - The team is exactly Proph and LW
    - The team is exactly Grape and KJ
    - The team is split between those two groups

    The first is unlikely because a) LW is the town read I am most comfortable with and b) the way Proph and LW have interacted and read each other throughout the game would be an unreal and unecessary amount of scum theatre, especially after reading the game where they were buddies where they acted much more simply and tactically.

    Given that KJ and Grape don't look great but also not that scummy, the second world is not only possible but realistically more likely since Proph was at leasta town read which is harder than either KJ or GF managed, but I am nervous about sticking with the same PoE which hasn't worked out so far. Because of my read on LW, the last world only works with Proph + KJ/GF. So not really that many options.

    So the key questions for my due diligence now are: is Proph scum? And if so, with whom?

    But if anyone has any doubt on LW now would be a really good time to share it.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    I mean it's +town for Proph to be bothering with this, but lurking scum don't usually have smoking guns. If they did then picking them out from lurking town wouldn't be so hard.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    Quote from Ecophagy »
    I also noticed LW only does "alignment games" as Town. So, I guess he's lock town here?
    What does this mean?

    I'll take a look at Tarot but not before the deadline. I still think he's town though - his frustration and bouncing around on you/Killjoy today is something I don't think happens if he's a wolf.


    Sure, doesn't really need to be before the deadline, LW is not on the table toDay.

    I mean the "game" he's doing at the moment where he wants lists of alignments. He did a similar thing in Ballade des Dames du Temps Jadis but not the two scum games, so I was (tongue in cheek) clearing him with the power of small sample size.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Having a quick look at LW in Tarot mafia, and it's acutally somewhere between the other games I looked at. His average post length is a longer than the scum game, and there is a decent number of reads given out, quite a lot of engagement/asking questions/poking. More spiky in defense, but still no OMGUS votes - it's snarky not confrontational. There is a decent amount of proactive voting as well - but not hopping it around.

    The differences between Tarot and the town game are not nearly as stark as the Throne of Lies game. Compared to this game LW is still very much doing more of the Town-meta things (like aggro voting, longer posts with more thoughts), but I am now less convinced that scum-LW is incapable of emulating his town game. I would actually be interested Proph (and GF) if you guys could review Tarot and compare it to LW's town games/this game and tell me what you think.

    I also noticed LW only does "alignment games" as Town. So, I guess he's lock town here?
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from DoTArchon »
    Serious question: Why would I as scum shoot D_V, one of the few people who never wavered on a town read of me?


    If NK WIFOM is the only thing you have I suggest you just anti-spew now.

    Quote from Axelrod »

    ]Right, but in 80’s mafia you were actively scummy, despite being town. Here you have not been actively scummy, and therefore are more likely scum Teach (that’s how that works, right?). Also, I have no idea if that’s how it went down in 80’s and can’t look at it right now, so that’s how I’m choosing to remember it.


    I was so scummy that I caught two baddies and got killed N1!
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    no it's not grape, and the deadlinr is 10PM EST tonight


    OK, I won't be here for that then since it will be 3am my time.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    @Highroller: When exactly is the deadline?
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Having said that, could the team just be DoTA and Grape? Would scum-GF have the balls to chainsaw his buddy by going straight for Proph?
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Right now I wouldn't hate voting KJ, but I'm still significantly more interested in DoTArchon.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    Eco - I guess one thing that might be missing from that ISO sans context was that our scumteam was actually pushing Wisp most of the time. I was pretty critical of Wisp starting Day 2, and Aelin in that game was Wisp's scumbuddy but she didn't realize that until Day 2. From there she tried turbobussing because of some mechanical information and it worked; we were able to skate to lylo based on that unprompted bus. You can look at Tarot Mafia on MU to see another example of his scum meta, or Modern Mafia I guess for meta from 2 years ago. My brain just went to that FoL game because Wisp and I /just/ wolfed together a couple of months ago on that site.


    OK, that might explain why LW wasn't so aggressive in defense since the big posts I mentioned were directed at Aelin. And if bussing was the strategy I can see LW being less engaged/fiery than usual. I guess this is why multiple data points are important, but at least it doesn't look like he's being bussed in this game!

    I will have a look through Tarot since Grape also asked.

    Quote from Killjoy »
    Eco I'm trying to play the game on a few fronts.


    But, are you? Or rather, you have presnted a few fronts (early NKA pairs, proposed VCA, verifying Axel's Cantrip read, the recent "game flow"). But you've not tried to unify any of these tools - I would expect you to be trying to build one coherent world view, not one disconnected world view per front.

    Quote from Grapefruit21 »

    Proph just keeps coming back to scum for me. There just is an undercurrent of agenda to a lot of what he's doing. The Osie clear and urging to reveal the identity. The utterly bizarre in retrospect scum read and reversal on DV. The super eager to kill me to being more or less fine with me on D2. The complete focus on Dota before the last couple of hours. Just feels like he's pushing the game where he wants it to be rather than following what he's reading.


    uh, what? If you're going to say things are "agenday" you have to explain what the scum agenda is. Because I'm reading those events essentially completely the opposite to you because I can't come up with a reason for mafia-Proph to have done them. If Proph was pushing the game where he wanted there were paths of significantly lower resistance he could have taken.

    Quote from Axelrod »
    This. But, apparently contrary to you, this makes me want him gone more.


    At this stage I don't know what I could do that you would consider unfakeable. Very flattering of course, but it didn't help you read me correctly in Feelgood 80's Movies Mafia.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    Amistarian Mafia III wheeeeeee

    I can't remember my own games, but I can sure remember other people's


    Man, was that really Axel's last scum game? It's from 2013!

    I read it anyway, Axel's mafia game early was characterised by going after LHF (Guardman for being weird, Iso for lying, Kpaca for being belligerent) and kind of just focusing on one person/thing at a time. His posts were still pretty big, but tended to be "agenda-y" in that they were dealing with fairly narrow events and driving towards getting his target dead - rather than a meandering look back at figuring a person out. To be fair though, I think his posts look roughly like they would look if Town Axel saw something he really hated and wanted to get executed, just with more tunnel vision. His play there is very different to his play here, but since it was 8 freaking years ago that's not really unexpected.

    So, not really all that useful. But a very fun blast from the past, lots of memories. God I am a dinosaur.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    @KJ I don't really get why you've gone "here is a possible world based on game flow" then basically completely moved away from it when challenged/some counter evidence has been presented. And then you're not really doing anything about it. I'd expect you to be thinking more "here's my world view, let's check it against my reads and D1 VCA. Oh maybe I'm wrong about LW what does that mean for my world view?"

    Your actions are all just disconnected and it's hard to not see them as doing Things To Look Town as opposed to trying to solve the game by using your tools together.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    If you are trying to pocket me, it's working


    Am I pocketing you better than Proph? We have a competition in scumchat
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    @DoTArchon: You're not really playing like the person at the bottom of the PoE the day before the deadline. Do you have counter-arguments or alternatives? Or are you going to carry on just plodding around doing your own narrow thing ignoring the situation until you die?
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