Give her a hand folks, for Liliana has the potential to takes yours away from you. I've built myself what I think is a discard deck capable of handling a 4-way Commander game, maybe, in a casual format. Won't go far in tournaments, I realize, but I'm OK with this.
As usual, I use discard as board control more than a direct win condition, a la Megrim or Liliana's Caress, though both are present for obvious reasons. The best repeatable discard tricks all involve creatures eating faces, anyway. Also: Oona's Prowler with a Lashwrithe makes me laugh maniacally for the emotional pain inflicted on the receiving player...
Anyway. I haven't made an EDH (Err, Commander?) deck in years, so thoughts, opinions, suggestions, death threats, whatever. Let me know.
Really? My reading of layering per 613 was that replacement effects resolve in timestamp order. Is that not correct?
My guess was that Tomorrow would apply first because timestamp, with the net effect you describe, but layering has always done unspeakable things to my brain.
Question asked, question answered. This post is perfectly fine as an acknowledgment of my answer post above, but I think this thread presents a high risk of off-topic discussion starting, so I'll lock it as a preventive measure. -MadMage
So. Premise. You cast Shahrazad, and then from inside the subgame you cast Burning Wish. Is the Shahrazad on the stack in the main game a legal target? If so, what happens if you pull it into the subgame?
I get a NullPointerException and crash whenever it tried to process Aether Storm, out of 5E/Homelands/Masters Edition II. This just me?
UPDATE:
Looks like the problem with the Fifth Ed Aether Storm was it somehow was not saving the collector number, and that was causing the program to blow up. Manually added it into the .csv file, and now it seems to be going strong. Tomorrow, I will investigate the other cards which are giving me problems, and will list issues/observations/solutions here for each one.
I would think it'd be active player, just 'cause active player always wins at same-speed stuff, but it's never actually been clarified that I know of...
Deathwish might work, but losing 3 of your 5 life seems questionable. However, you should be able to tweak the deck to drop five damage first turn, in which case you'll have no problems.
Kiki Jiki does amusing things with Sharpsooters, and Thornbite Staff turns other stuff into sharpshooters.
On the other hand, if you want to make a sharpshooterless sharpshooter deck, a battered golem with viridian longbow & thornbite staff with a bunch of myr servitors & a sac engine is fun too. Done right, you can get 20 damage a turn per golem out without too much work.
Burning Wish does fun things with subgames. Play a subgame, then Wish for the Enter the Dungeon used to create it. When the subgame finishes, all cards in the subgame, including the RFG zone, are shuffled into the library of the main game, including both the Wish and the Enter cards. The other bit you can do is if you make it red/black & get enough mana, via Cabal Coffers, Dark Ritual and the like, you could toss in Djinn Illuminatus. Get thirty black & replicate Enter 14 times...
I've actually been tinkering with a deck like this in my head for a while now, but whenever I bring it up the people I play with regularly threaten to start bringing large, dull knives.
Having a repeatable counterspell is nice (very nice, actually), but won't actually win games. What style of deck do you want here? I'd be inclined to toss in some red for Furious Assault so you get some damage out of it. Of course, if you're adding red, then there's an incredible amount of come-into-play effects available to add in.
You appear to have included Urborg exclusively for the Zombie Master, unless I'm missing something. If you have Urborg, why not also Cabal Coffers? With the Coffers, you'd have enough mana to use something like Consume Spirit as spot creature removal, direct damage to players and/or life gain. It even fits the theme, to a degree.
As usual, I use discard as board control more than a direct win condition, a la Megrim or Liliana's Caress, though both are present for obvious reasons. The best repeatable discard tricks all involve creatures eating faces, anyway. Also: Oona's Prowler with a Lashwrithe makes me laugh maniacally for the emotional pain inflicted on the receiving player...
Anyway. I haven't made an EDH (Err, Commander?) deck in years, so thoughts, opinions, suggestions, death threats, whatever. Let me know.
So, here's the beast:
3 Liliana, Heretical Healer
0 Liliana, Defiant Necromancer
Creatures:
2 Corrupt Court Official
2 Nezumi Shortfang
2 Oona's Prowler
3 Abyssal Nocturnus
3 Cunning Lethemancer
3 Hypnotic Specter
3 Liliana's Specter
3 Needle Specter
4 Abyssal Specter
4 Dread Specter
4 Fate Unraveler
4 Guul Draz Specter
4 Order of Yawgmoth
4 Sangromancer
5 Entropic Specter
6 Scythe Specter
6 Silent Specter
6 Thoughtrender Lamia
8 Myojin of Night's Reach
8 Scion of Darkness
Sorceries:
1 Cry of Contrition
2 Demonic Tutor
2 Sign in Blood
2 Smallpox
2 Strongarm Tactics
3 Beseech the Queen
3 Dark Deal
3 Toxic Deluge
4 Mental Vapors
4 Syphon Mind
4 Unnerve
5 Beacon of Unrest
5 Dark Petition
6 Tasigur's Cruelty
9 Rise of the Dark Realms
1x Mind Twist
2x Consume Spirit
4x Mind Warp
1 Bloodchief Ascension
1 Quest for the Nihil Stone
2 Liliana's Caress
2 Waste Not
3 Bottomless Pit
3 Megrim
3 Necrogen Mists
3 Oppression
3 Words of Waste
4 Creeping Dread
5 Painful Quandary
Artifacts:
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Sol Ring
2 Coldsteel Heart
3 Mimic Vat
4 Geth's Grimoire
4 Grimoire of the Dead
4 Lashwrithe
Instants
1 Dark Ritual
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Sudden Spoiling
4 Snuff Out
7 Scour from Existence
Planeswalkers:
4 Liliana of the Dark Realms
5 Liliana Vess
7 Karn Liberated
0 Ancient Tomb
0 Cabal Coffers
0 Maze of Ith
0 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
0 Volrath's Stronghold
30x Swamp
My guess was that Tomorrow would apply first because timestamp, with the net effect you describe, but layering has always done unspeakable things to my brain.
Question asked, question answered. This post is perfectly fine as an acknowledgment of my answer post above, but I think this thread presents a high risk of off-topic discussion starting, so I'll lock it as a preventive measure. -MadMage
UPDATE:
Looks like the problem with the Fifth Ed Aether Storm was it somehow was not saving the collector number, and that was causing the program to blow up. Manually added it into the .csv file, and now it seems to be going strong. Tomorrow, I will investigate the other cards which are giving me problems, and will list issues/observations/solutions here for each one.
On the other hand, if you want to make a sharpshooterless sharpshooter deck, a battered golem with viridian longbow & thornbite staff with a bunch of myr servitors & a sac engine is fun too. Done right, you can get 20 damage a turn per golem out without too much work.
I've actually been tinkering with a deck like this in my head for a while now, but whenever I bring it up the people I play with regularly threaten to start bringing large, dull knives.