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  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Can someone tell me - why mindslaver?


    ??? I don't think any mainstream builds are playing Mindslaver. The only deck that should play that card is mono blue Tron.

    Speaking of mono blue tron, I managed to draw against it and then lose to G/R Tron round 2 today. When you're on the draw against Tron it feels so hopeless -_-. Even when I Ghost Quarter multiple times I still cant beat the deck and the crafty ones put Pithing Needle on Ghost Quarter anyways, anyone got any secret tech?
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Played the deck for the first time yesterday. Ran a no-chalice main version with 3x Mind Stone. So far I'm liking Mind Stone. They helped me pump up a Ballista and being able to cycle them late felt great. I'm also running 2x Basilisk Collar main and won multiple games just by suiting up a Reality Smasher. I'm definitely sticking with this version and Chalice is so bad in my meta that I might even go down to 3 in the SB. The only other change I'm thinking about is dropping Batterskull. It was never a card I ever wanted badly and was sided out often.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Mind Stone and Chalice do compete for your T2 play but at the same time Mindstone makes it easier to deploy Chalice on 2 on T3 which can be big game. The deck is still being developed so don't feel afraid to experiment.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Eldrazi decks are already favored against Goyf+Snapcaster decks. I'd rather play my own Goyfs to shore up the matches that need early creature pressure (combo, Valakut, Tron, etc) than double down on cards that help in already good matchups. Fatal push does a number on opposing goyfs as well so Relic is looking more and more clunky in my eyes.

    I love me some recursion but Scrapheap Scrounger is probably too slow for Modern Frown
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Doesn't look like the 2 pilots of EldraziTron that made day #2 of Indy SCG event made it to the top 8. Frown

    That may give us the answer on Mind Stone maindeck. Will wait to see what the deck lists looked like.


    Well one of them was Todd Stevens and he got top 4 in the Classic last week with Mind Stones. Not sure if doing well with them one week and ok-to-good with them the next will tell us much.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    I think Mind Stone is an underrated card. It lets you drop Thought-Knots and 2/2 Ballistas on T3 more consistently. Maybe not a 4-of but I think its worth playing at least 2-of in the versions that don't run maindeck Chalice.

    I know you weren't being serious, but as someone who tried the "Colorless Eldrazi Stompy" deck, Eldrazi Mimic is a horribly bad card unless you are on the play and have a Temple.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/eldrazi_tron_with_todd_stevens.html

    New deck tech with Todd Stevens. He's running the full four(!) Mind Stones now. Surprised he's not running any Spatial Contortions. It's interesting to see him, Pascal Maynard, and Shaun Mclaren running fairly different maindecks and all doing well. It's making it hard for me to decide which version of the deck to play first. I am afraid that Todd's version is becoming increasingly vulnerable to Stony Silence though. Luckily, there aren't a ton of white decks at my LGS.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    I think the whole point of running a green Eldrazi deck is for Ancient Stirrings. Sure, Oath of Nissa is good with Lilianas but Ancient Stirrings is borderline busted. I could see supplementing Sirrings with Oath but only as a 1-2 of. I did that in a G/R build before and it was fine.

    Speaking of Liliana, I can't imagine that the mana in this deck is good enough to justify her without Oaths. You hinted at this in your post and I have to say your mana base is meh. 8 colorless only is a lot if you want to hit BB and GB consistently and Blooming Marsh seems really awkward in a deck with many 4 and 5 drops. I'd rather be casting Eldrazi than Lilianas anyways. Engineered Explosives is an alternative to Lili that can be grabbed with Ancient Stirrings, feeds Goyf, and enables revolt.

    I think part of the problem you are having with fizzling is that you are running too much discard. 10 discard effects is a lot. I'd suggest cutting a couple of the 1-mana discard spells, maybe even 3 depending on the number of cantrips you decide on. You could also try adding a couple Endbringers for a late game engine. It should be easy to get them to stick with discard + all the other threats that demand removal.

    Quote from D90Dennis14 »
    Do you think that this deck can be well-positioned in the current meta ?

    It should have a really good match-up against "Jund Death Shadow" and also slower midrange decks.
    Which means that SB should probably be mostly focused on beating Tron/Valakut and random combo decks.


    I think a good build of B/G Eldrazi is out there. Death's Shadow Jund is a great deck that was recently built from pieces that have existed for years and I believe B/G Eldrazi could do the same. Discard + creature pressure beats so much random nonsense and Eldrazi is favored against most slow decks that aren't Tron. Seems like a recipe for success to me.

    The main question is how to justify this deck over Bant Eldrazi. Is Goyf + black discard and removal better than Eldrazi Displacer and white's back-breaking sideboard cards? Maybe.

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
    Played again tonight and got completely crushed. Really making me re-think if the deck is any good in my meta.

    Round 1: Valakut lose 0-2. Terrible match up is terrible. Lost game 1 because I couldn't draw enough Eldrazi to trigger Mimic. Lost game 2 despite playing T2 Thought-Knot and blowing up two Valakuts.

    Round 2: Elves lose 0-2. Both games I can't get a usable hand even with multiple powders and mulligans. He quickly overwhelms me.

    I also playtested against UW Spirits and got wrecked as well (losing another T2 Thought-Knot game). Had problems getting playable hands here as well.

    While I had fun playing the deck there's just too much variance between good hands and terrible hands for my liking. The deck is very bad if you can't get to a Temple or play Chalice early against a deck that cares about it. My meta doesn't have many decks that are weak to chalice either. I was lucky to get paired against the only 2 players that cared a lot about Chalice last week. Eldrazi Mimic has also been pretty mediocre for me. Without a Temple casting it feels terrible, it often times comes down too late to matter, or never gets enough triggers to be any good.

    Right now, I think Eldrazi-Tron is the more favorable colorless Eldrazi deck in the meta and I can't justify running this over it. It was a fun experiment and I hope the meta shifts in a way one day that makes me want to bring it out.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
    Went 3-1 at Monday Modern yesterday with my first time really playing the deck. Played Jordan's list except had a Tectonic Edge over a Mutavault. Mostly because I only have 1 Mutavault right now but my store also has lots of Tron players.


    Round 1: Tron (of course). Lose 1-2
    Game 1 I powder then mull to an ok 6. It would have been fine against a random midrange deck but was not nearly fast enough to beat Tron.
    Game 2 I slow him down just barely enough with TKS+GQ to kill him the turn before he would stabilize with a Wurmcoil.
    Game 3 I have what would normally be a nut draw against Tron with a T1 Chalice (off Gemstone) into GQ+threats, but he has natural Tron on 6 cards and ignores my Chalice with two Sylvan Scryings and naturally draws Wurmcoil+O-Stone. Tron is the topdeck champ for a reason.

    Round 2: Kiki Chord. Win 2-1
    Game 1 I have two chalice that are useless against his deck and he locks me out with a Magus of the Moon. I rip nothing but TKS and Smasher for 5 turns in a row with a looter scooter out.
    Game 2 I keep a removal + Relic heavy hand and stop him from doing anything relevant. I follow up with a pair of Smashers.
    Game 3 I T0 Gut Shot his Bird and he never draws a second land.

    Round 3: Affinity. Win 2-0
    Game 1 He spews out most of his hand T1 but he never draws a payoff card. I get a Chalice on 2 to make sure he can't resolve one anyways.
    Game 2 He keeps a slow hand and I surprise him by Dismembering his Inkmoth off a SSG. When he gets another land I "Wasteland" it with GQ and his hand is full of 2 and 3 drops. I think my opponent made a big mistake by not mulling here.

    Round 4: Infect. Win 2-1
    Game 1: Luckily, I win the die roll and get a Chalice out on my T2. I successfully race his one infect-er with a Mimic but he almost gets there with a Viridian Corrupter on my Chalice.

    Game 2: This is a very strange game. I get out ALL FOUR of my Chalices and a bunch of removal to stall. However, I can't draw a single Eldrazi, Manland, or Ghost Quarter and I die to a Become Immense-ed Inkmoth. I think I misplayed by putting one of the Chalices on 3. I didn't have a way to answer Virdian Corrupter at the time but I also locked myself out of Dismember. I also pitched a Mimic to Gemstone Mine when I should have pitched a Ratchet Bomb. I had a Chalice + Spatial Contortion to buy time so the Bomb wasn't needed.

    Game 3: Much to my opponent's chagrin, I get another fast Chalice. I make a mistake by Dismembering his Noble Hierach since I think he is light on mana but hes not and he gets me to 9 poison with Become Immense +Inkmoth. I manage to pull it out with Smasher beats despite forgetting he only has 3 lands when I left a Tec Edge up...


    Overall Thoughts
    The deck was fun and felt powerful. Gemstone Caverns just isn't a fair card in a Chalice deck and getting to bend the fundamental rules of magic before the game even starts was great. Another thing I noticed is the deck is very transformable post board. In 3 of my 4 matches I changed from an aggro deck trying to exploit unfair cards to a mostly fair midrange-y removal deck. You really have to change your mindset between games and knowing who's the beatdown is extra important for this deck. My opponents also didn't know how to play against the deck at all and made bad decisions. 5/7 will continue to sling the deck.

    Right now the only change I'm going to make is to cut a Sea Gate Wreckage for a Mutavault. I never even got close to using Wreckage and drawing more than one felt miserable. Still not 100% sold on the Gut Shots but I'll keep them in for now.






    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Bitterblossom does sound good on paper but its just sooooo slow. If you want more two drop threats I think Scavenging Ooze is the next best thing. Ooze can also bait out removal to keep your Eldrazi safe.

    Mind Stone also increases the odds of T3 Thought-Knots, feeds Goyfs, and enables revolt. As a Bant Eldrazi player, Ancient Stirrings by itself is not enough to consistently ramp out Eldrazi. Honestly, I'm still not sure it will work out but I like it in theory more than Bitterblossom.

    Let us know if Sifter works out. I loved that card in limited and I hope it's good.

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    RE: Lands. I don't really think there's much room for manlands. The 16 mandatory lands + 3 Ghost Quarter + 2-3 Wastes leaves room for just 2-3 flex lands. I suppose you could run manlands but I think Sanctum of Ugin, Cavern of Souls, Gemstone Cavern, and Sea-Gate Wreckage will be better most of the time. You could try going down on GQ if your meta allows it to squeeze some in. Whenever I get time I'm going to try a Walking Ballista heavy list with Sanctum and Sea Gate Wreckage. That should theoretically give the deck plenty of mana-sinks.


    RE: Combo. I think Chalice and TKS give us decent game against any-non Valakut combo deck. Valakut is a problem for every Eldrazi deck and its just a bad match-up we have to eat.

    Quote from SirQuincelot »
    I had an idea because of the fact that dismembers keep killing me. What about splashing white for path and adding a sideboard option for displacer?

    Try running a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in one of your flex land slots. If your meta is full of aggro decks that make Dismember a liability you could swap one for Spatial Contortion but I would put the Dismember in the board.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    How's Eldrazi Mimic in this deck? Or is it just not what the deck wants?


    If you want to play with Mimics try out the Colorless Eldrazi Stompy deck. It shares many cards with Eldrazi Tron so you can easily build both (I just got both this week).
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Bitterblossom seems really, really out of place here. Why not just run more removal, discard, or Mind Stones? Also not a big fan of Catacomb Sifter since it doesn't get a discount from Eldrazi Temple and BG is kinda hard to get sometimes.

    I do think 'Goyf is probably where this decks will end up. I goldfished a bit with Relic+Strangler package and its just kinda clunky. We should be favored against other Goyf decks anyways and many Snapcaster decks too, so Relic just isn't critical.

    I'm going to keep tinkering with this deck but it'll be on the back-burner since I just got Eldrazi Tron and Eldrazi Stompy.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
    Anyone have thoughts on Walking Ballista? It's getting good buzz in the Eldrazi Tron thread and I figure any decent looking colorless card is worth talking about.

    I've built the deck and got a couple games in. Have to say this deck gets some...interesting draws. Very swingy. Some hands feel unbeatable but sometimes I seem to draw nothing but an endless stream of lands, Powders, too-late Chalices, and SSG.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
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