So when that comment is made, I think 1 of 2 things: 1). they are telling the truth and saying they would actively play against their own win condition to actively support a neutral claim. 2). They are lying and doing it in an attempt to look town by saying they would offer their life up. As I type this out, I realize there is a third option, but I don't see it as a real issue.
What do you think of Bur's stated reasoning that if he helps Wisp, Wisp either leaves the game w/out using up a yeet, or he gets proven a liar (and likely mafia)?
How/where, exactly, am I trying to sort you? Was it the vote with nothing behind it beyond "Chad acted scummy, and maybe pressure will encourage Boom to post"?
Yes. Everyone else was just like PoE is blah blah and BoomFrog. Voting me with the specific caviat of pressure to contribute is townie, and you've been the only one to do it. Scum want to ignore me until EoD when I make a good compromise yeet target if there's a wagon on scum they want to move away from.
I was mostly being sarcastic; I don't see what I did as "sorting" in any sense of the word. Your comment feels, as has been mentioned, like a very awkward pocket attempt.
Hm I just realised that that doesn’t leave room for Bur if the mafia team size is 4.
If there’s an error in CC / Az / tubba / One of Boom/WMU, then Bur should be the answer.
I don't necessarily disagree, but how does Bur's Wit-admit to Wisp fit in a scum!Bur world?
I will be sad if CC outted himself as scum, because where's the fun in that, but I will be angry if CC is town and being defeatist.
Crop's at 7 (with a spirit vote from Sloth, so...
Vote: CropCircles42
That's Y-2.
What else, if anything, needs to be discussed before we end the Day?
@Bur
Wit is an ability that 5 players in this game hold, whether it's alongside other possible PR abilities I don't know
that lets them open permanent and limited chats
You're trying to solve and you have nuanced reads and you are declaring people town even though they are reading you as mafia. You're not defensive you are trying to sort. And of course, you are the first player to try and sort me instead of just going for the throat and pushing for an easy yeet.
How/where, exactly, am I trying to sort you? Was it the vote with nothing behind it beyond "Chad acted scummy, and maybe pressure will encourage Boom to post"?
also no offense to Grape but I'd be so annoyed if I rolled a Neighbor PR in a game where neighborhoods are part of the main mechanic.
Like Wisp, I suspect that CC is "witted" and used his souped up version of the game mechanic to establish a communication with HR, so not so much a "neighbor PR".
@CC: Why did you choose HR to establish a communication with?
@Cantrip
I am always invested in my mafia games, to the point where I can't even stop reading them unless I force myself to go on v/la lol, I'd be a lot more invested if not for the WoW expansion taking up literally all my free time
Maybe invested isn't the right word...engaged? You just seem to be making more frequent and stronger points and pushes than you usually do, which doesn't feel like a shift that would come from someone randing a 3pr.
@Cantrip you are my strongest town read and I found my self nodding along to your post and I get why you voted me at the end. But I'm not going to put a lot of energy into this game, especially D1. I'm here out of respect for the game, and that mod kills suck, but this game isn't going to be a priority for me. If we get down the line and I'm still here and we have a smaller group I'll put in the effort, but D1 with a large game with all new to me players, I'm having trouble keeping people literally sorted, let alone sorting alignments.
Ok, I'll bite: why am *I* your strongest town read?
@Cantrip
can I ask you a question, it might be a bit weird/hard, but explain to me in your mind how town!CC reads Rhand's posts and comes to this conclusion
Quote from CC »
Rhand has been posting a lot of fluff and joking more then hunting. Half his posts this game rub me the wrong way. Then bouncing from barning Iso to vote me without an explanation to the half-hearted push on Tubba, and then a lot of wasted energy arguing with Highroller. It all feels like he's trying to look like he's hunting more than actual hunting. Mostly a gut read, but the one I feel strongest.
particularly the bolded
I don't agree with what he said, but I don't think it can't come from town. Maybe it can't come from town!CC specifically, but I don't think I have much--if any--experience with CC. Maybe from my very earliest days?
Although...there does seem to be a bit of a disconnect between him listing several "real" reasons to vote Rhand and then pushing it off as "mostly a gut read". I also felt like his paragraph on Az in that post was more strongly reasoned than his paragraph on Rhand.
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I still don't believe that he needed to add all that, he could've been like, "Cantrip is a scary player, here is my rvs", but he tried to put an argument around it, that wasn't even true, so ya I didn't get the reservations you were talking about, but thanks for the response
Fair point. I've probably just gotten used to the roller coaster of "have a good scum game", "have to battle overflow suspicions from that game in the subsequent one".
@Wisp: Why do you feel more invested in this game where you're a (claimed) third party role than in any other game I've played with you?
@Cantrip bruh why you vote Chadslot as soon as I leave it. Not cool.
Obviously to be contrary.
But it's all good. I think it's unlikely that scum!you doesn't at least level some suspicion on me going "oops, I made a read on you because I thought you were Silver", so you just moved up in the townleans.
@Cantrip I am always allergic to people distancing themselves from town
And were it anyone but HR, I'd agree that it looked like distancing, but I feel like HR does this in every game I've been in with him, so it's hard for me to see it as AI.
I asked because in 626 it sounded like you were counting "us villagers" and coming up with 16, which is (obviously) silly. But you corrected that in 629 and--still presumably counting town players, regardless of whether you're coming from your perspective or pretending to be Tubba--started at 18, subtracted "the self" (17) subtracted the mafia (assuming 4) (13), and subtract the neutral (12). If you're trying to emphasize how many town there are in the game (and therefore how silly it is to get worked up about one or two of them dying), then subtracting the (obviously, from either your personal perspective or you-being-Tubba perspective) doesn't help. It would feel more natural to say "why worry about 1-2 town when there are 13 in the game". I just don't understand why you'd subtract the self when trying to make that point.
I don't really see how this matters, unless you think idk I'm scum that accidentally slipped Tubba's town? I don't think it's all that weird, I try to look at it from an outsider's perspective when counting bodies/alignments, so I used "self" rather than "you" or "me."
As for your alignment, I had you pretty high on my list to start, but then when I iso'd your posts, there wasn't a lot there, so I'm re-evaluating. Your subtracting the self comment didn't feel like something that would come from a town mentality (and your explanation doesn't feel natural, either). @Vaimes @Rhand Both of you think that phrase, coming from "it's the world versus me" HR in particular, is indicative of him being scum?
??????????
Okay so am I scum or not? I would like a direct answer.
I think I've made my thoughts on the game pretty clear. Is there anything you disagree with?
I erred in my last post when I said "I had you pretty high on my list to start, but then when I iso'd your posts, there wasn't a lot there, so I'm re-evaluating." For some reason, I've always felt like you and Silver were very similar in playstyle, and I tend to confuse the two of you frequently. I had Silver pretty high, and then I looked back at his posts and there wasn't much there. You're obviously wrong thinking I'm mafia, but I can understand why you think that. I've been trying to sort you off the little things I've noticed in your posts, but for now, you're a mild townlean.
man Cantrip really had only one post before Chad voted him, and it wasn't even his wall...
like How does that happened
Quote from Cantrip »
I think Chad has a >rand chance to be scum, mostly based on their "most of [Cantrip's] early posts struck me as odd" when I'd only made one post. Some reservations here, though, because I could see some town paranoia after the recent game he mentioned.
what reseverations... you literally made an RVS vote kinda? like that post doesn't even compare to your overall play as "any" alignment at all, especially not your wolf game, so ya, this response confuses me
My reservations would come from him possibly being town and just being suspicious of me in general, based on my scum play in the game he just modded.
@Cantrip
Can you revisit this read on CC at some point? since you know CC is the top train and everything (small edit in the question)
like if Chad really wanted to start off with a vote on Cantrip, because, "He is scary", without mentioning the posts, or somehow misrepresenting the amount he posted, it probably would have looked better. It just looks so forced
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d Chad has like no relevant content aside from his wallpost, which isn't even especially towny.
that is pretty subjective, so what about the people like GJ? who think that post was good? Despite my thoughts on that slot, I still feel as if you've been a bit lazy as of late, and I don't particularly like it
I swear if this is all some garbage scum theater sandwich, I will be highly disappointed
I just reread CC's iso, and I'm not getting real strong town or scum vibes from him. I still see his early exchanges with KJ as more likely coming from town wanting to "be right" than from scum pushing a bad idea. Probably the elements I find the most suspicious are that he's voted Sloth and is voting Rhand, both of whom I have townleans on. I'm not opposed to voting CC to avoid a yeetless day, but he's not at the bottom of the pile for me.
@CC: Why is Cuth town?
@Bur: Why does it feel like you have no teeth this game?
Here's my pile:
Tammy
Sloth
KJ
Iso
Rhand
GJ
Highroller
Vaimes
Tubba
Silver
Cuth
CC
Wisp
Bur
WMU
Az
Boomfrog
Boomfrog's entrance and subsequent posts have been super underwhelming. I'm all for letting them catch up, but I think that Chad was scummy enough that a vote is warranted, and if that pressures Boom to post, so much the better.
N1 he only does 1 or 3 damage, but N2 he's up to 3-9 damage total, depending, and N3 he's dealt 6-18 damage
where exactly are you pulling these numbers from?
D1: Ping Cuth.
N1: Bleed Cuth for 1 or 3. (You're either back at 7 or at 9.)
D2: Ping Target2. (You're at 6 or 8.)
N2: Bleed Cuth for 1 or 3 (total of 2 or 6) and Target2 for 1 or 3. (You're at 8, 12, or 14.)
D3: Ping Target3. (You're at 7, 11, or 13.)
N3: Bleed Cuth for 1 or 3 (total of 3 or 9), Target2 for 1 or 3 (total of 2 or 6), and Target3 for 1 or 3.
Unless one of the three has already died, you've dealt a minimum of 6 damage/maximum of 18 (although on the maximum front, you've probably killed Cuth or Target2). You're also potentially somewhere between 10 and 21 vitality (again, adjusted down if any of your targets died and/or you lost vitality in other ways).
That feels pretty dangerous in general, and possibly so swingy as to be unbelievable, especially if you hadn't claimed out of the blue and just secretly gone on a vampiric killing spree. A 4th Night is almost guaranteed Cuth/Target2/probably Target3 dead and more damage to a fourth target. Am I misunderstanding how your abilities work?
That’s really the nothingburger question you want to ask me? I said it because Tubba isn’t going to entertain hypothetical worlds where he’s mafia, and he typically isn’t a high priority kill.
Now divine my alignment from that answer.
I asked because in 626 it sounded like you were counting "us villagers" and coming up with 16, which is (obviously) silly. But you corrected that in 629 and--still presumably counting town players, regardless of whether you're coming from your perspective or pretending to be Tubba--started at 18, subtracted "the self" (17) subtracted the mafia (assuming 4) (13), and subtract the neutral (12). If you're trying to emphasize how many town there are in the game (and therefore how silly it is to get worked up about one or two of them dying), then subtracting the (obviously, from either your personal perspective or you-being-Tubba perspective) doesn't help. It would feel more natural to say "why worry about 1-2 town when there are 13 in the game". I just don't understand why you'd subtract the self when trying to make that point.
As for your alignment, I had you pretty high on my list to start, but then when I iso'd your posts, there wasn't a lot there, so I'm re-evaluating. Your subtracting the self comment didn't feel like something that would come from a town mentality (and your explanation doesn't feel natural, either).
I'm burning the midnight oil (and now weekend oil, which really stings) on this work project, so this will unfortunately be brief.
Most of what raised my eyebrows on early Iso can be explained by him trying to be a little less manic, a choice I applaud. Other things that gave me pause:
- Him liking my first post, which--given that I was getting flak for it from others--made me eye Iso's pockets suspicously.
- The "completely glazing over page 5, only 7 posts in" comment, which felt like a way to conveniently not notice things on that page, although I'm pretty sure he then went on to comment on things on that page.
- Some of his comments felt like fluff, which I don't recall being normal for him.
@Iso: I did a skim of Silver's early posts, and I'm reevaluating on him a little. There's not a lot of content there, and a whole lot of joking. Also, I think his 272 potentially comes from a scum!Chad buddy wanting to point out that Chad didn't really comment on him (Silver) before anyone else did. I'll finish iso'ing him when I have more time.
@Vaimes: In 629, why do you "subtract the self (in theory)" when you're trying to emphasize the count of town players?
Tubba and Cuth are both trending up for me from recent posts. And Tammy continues to feel obvTown.
Yep, a few more posts of unbridled righteous indignation from Highroller jogged my memory: this is very standard Highroller. First post flavor claim, then latch onto a polarizing controversy and ride it hard. Problem with that playstyle is that it's pretty easy to imitate as either alignment, so I'm still not getting strong vibes either way.
@Highroller: You may have mentioned this already, but if Wisp weren't yeetable, who would you yeet instead?
I have reservations about Wisp because it feels like his ability is a combination arsonist/serial killer/hitman concept, which is super cool in execution, but also feels potentially devastating and swingy. N1 he only does 1 or 3 damage, but N2 he's up to 3-9 damage total, depending, and N3 he's dealt 6-18 damage, and somewhere in there is likely at least one extra death, possibly three, and possibly all three occurring on N3. It just feels like it has potential to get out of hand. (Less so if he doesn't hit his desired targets, obviously, but his winning scenario is where I'm concerned.)
@Az: I'll take a look at the posts you mentioned on Sloth when I have time, but right now I'm giving you a pretty big side-eye because Sloth is high on my townlean list, and you having him as your highest suspect just doesn't track for me.
Also: Good luck/congrats on 3rd child. We just welcomed our (completely unplanned) third child a few months back and it's been pretty wild.
honestly I'm making up this statistic but I personally believe it tends to come from Mafia more than town, and I don't particularly have a read on rhand yet, and I refuse to place him out of respect for his wolf game
I think you're making that statistic up because I'm fairly certain that it tends to come from certain players, regardless of alignment.
@Grape: The last votecount is wrong; I unvoted Tammy.
That has got to be the weirdest way I've heard of someone trying to pocket a player that posted once while alienating the rest of the playerbase.
Hm. Probably town>rand.
On cantrip, I mean.
I was pretty bummed to see how much hate Rhand was getting for it. I can't be the only player who enjoys a good roleplay... And yeah, my paranoia knows few bounds.
@Vaimes: Why did you only find my vote suspicious after Cuth voted me for it?
@Rhand: Huh, ok, that makes me feel a little better about you, I think. I was tinfoiling that you were RP'ing to pocket me (and maybe others). I LOVE roleplay (as long as it doesn't hinder communication, which yours wasn't for me), which is why games with Tom are almost always enjoyable for me. Now I'm stuck trying to figure out if you actually didn't know that/forgot it, or if my tinfoil just deepened a layer.
@Wisp: Holy carp I had forgotten that 0V equals death:
Vitality: Vitality is a player's life force. If a player reaches 0 Vitality (abbreviated as 0V) they will die. There are several abilities including the Night Kill that may cause vitality gains and losses. Vitality gains will be processed before losses if both abilities have the same priority. Vitality payments are an exception and are resolved at the highest priority.
That changes a lot for me, actually. I am re-evaluating my perspective on the mechanical aspects of the game now, and I'm sorta wondering why anyone would ever use the Skill ability. One-way chats can be nifty, but not if you have to suicide to establish them. :/
With that in mind, however, Wisp, how do you know it would take X activations to kill someone with your ability? It sounds like you started the game with 7V, but I didn't start with a number that high.
@Iso: Do you have Silver that low just because of his choo choo on a player who hadn't yet posted, or are there other elements that you either didn't mention or that I missed? Oh, you mentioned his 276. Anything else?
So my vote on Tammy was pseudo-serious, mostly because of #8 where she encouraged KJ. The enthusiasm felt weird, but now I'm thinking she's just genuinely happy to have not rolled scum.
My phrasing in my vote was intended to be a reaction test to see who jumped on Tammy (and for what reasons) and who defended her.
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Tammy, Silver feel town.
Sloth feels like he's trying to solve, so he can be town.
KJ vs CC feels like two players putting their desire to be right on something trivial higher than any kind of win-con-related agenda, which makes me think they're TvT.
GJ's indignant frustration makes me want to town read him, but I think I remember him acting similarly as scum. @GJ: Can you list past scum games on this site so I can try to refresh my memory?
@Vaimes: Why does GJ rate a tier with 0-posters Iso and Az?
@Rhand: Do you think I like(d) your roleplay, or was I annoyed by it?
Tubba, WMU, Bur haven't really registered for me, which is only concerning, somewhat, for Bur, but maybe he's just busy. Cuth has mostly only registered for me because of their vote on me, but I can understand where he's coming from, so he's still null for me.
I think Chad has a >rand chance to be scum, mostly based on their "most of [Cantrip's] early posts struck me as odd" when I'd only made one post. Some reservations here, though, because I could see some town paranoia after the recent game he mentioned.
Highroller popping in to flavor claim and then peace-ing out is...pretty standard Highroller, I think. I'll need more data before forming an opinion.
@Wisp: So does your ability kill players who meet your criteria, or not? In 357 you said you have to kill players by being on their wagon or via your ability, but then you said you don't kill you just take vitality, so...?
Also, weren't we scum together not too long ago where you made up a terrible 3rd party role that either did get or should have gotten you sussed out?
I don't feel strongly enough about anyone to have a vote placed right now.
Unvote
Also, I was given a project at work yesterday that is going to consume a lot of time, so I likely will be light in my posting (said the guy with--now--two posts, haha) for at least the next 2-3 days. I'll try to keep up with the thread, though.
Recycle was the card that started me down the dark path to becoming the Cantripmancer. Such a powerhouse, especially with Spellbook and others of its ilk. And Phil Foglio's art is hilarious.
Vote CropCircles42
That's Y-1. I have no objections to a hammer from anyone.
Just realized that Grape added Tubba to the votecount but left the count of voters at 6 instead of 7.
With my unvote, Crop is at Y-2. Will gladly vote whenever we're ready to end the Day.
I was mostly being sarcastic; I don't see what I did as "sorting" in any sense of the word. Your comment feels, as has been mentioned, like a very awkward pocket attempt.
What is your mafia experience?
I don't necessarily disagree, but how does Bur's Wit-admit to Wisp fit in a scum!Bur world?
I will be sad if CC outted himself as scum, because where's the fun in that, but I will be angry if CC is town and being defeatist.
Crop's at 7 (with a spirit vote from Sloth, so...
Vote: CropCircles42
That's Y-2.
What else, if anything, needs to be discussed before we end the Day?
Why would you want to help a neutral at your own expense? Uh, yeah, what GJ said.
This is sweet.
lolwut? Why would you do this? :/
@CC: Why did you choose HR to establish a communication with?
Ok, I'll bite: why am *I* your strongest town read?
Although...there does seem to be a bit of a disconnect between him listing several "real" reasons to vote Rhand and then pushing it off as "mostly a gut read". I also felt like his paragraph on Az in that post was more strongly reasoned than his paragraph on Rhand.
Fair point. I've probably just gotten used to the roller coaster of "have a good scum game", "have to battle overflow suspicions from that game in the subsequent one".
@Wisp: Why do you feel more invested in this game where you're a (claimed) third party role than in any other game I've played with you?
Yes; why do you ask?
Obviously to be contrary.
But it's all good. I think it's unlikely that scum!you doesn't at least level some suspicion on me going "oops, I made a read on you because I thought you were Silver", so you just moved up in the townleans.
If CC isn't yeeted toDay, I fully endorse you pinging him toMorrow.
And were it anyone but HR, I'd agree that it looked like distancing, but I feel like HR does this in every game I've been in with him, so it's hard for me to see it as AI.
I erred in my last post when I said "I had you pretty high on my list to start, but then when I iso'd your posts, there wasn't a lot there, so I'm re-evaluating." For some reason, I've always felt like you and Silver were very similar in playstyle, and I tend to confuse the two of you frequently. I had Silver pretty high, and then I looked back at his posts and there wasn't much there. You're obviously wrong thinking I'm mafia, but I can understand why you think that. I've been trying to sort you off the little things I've noticed in your posts, but for now, you're a mild townlean.
See above.
Yes, but I've learned that they're not always guaranteed to come from scum.
My reservations would come from him possibly being town and just being suspicious of me in general, based on my scum play in the game he just modded.
I just reread CC's iso, and I'm not getting real strong town or scum vibes from him. I still see his early exchanges with KJ as more likely coming from town wanting to "be right" than from scum pushing a bad idea. Probably the elements I find the most suspicious are that he's voted Sloth and is voting Rhand, both of whom I have townleans on. I'm not opposed to voting CC to avoid a yeetless day, but he's not at the bottom of the pile for me.
@CC: Why is Cuth town?
@Bur: Why does it feel like you have no teeth this game?
Here's my pile:
Tammy
Sloth
KJ
Iso
Rhand
GJ
Highroller
Vaimes
Tubba
Silver
Cuth
CC
Wisp
Bur
WMU
Az
Boomfrog
Boomfrog's entrance and subsequent posts have been super underwhelming. I'm all for letting them catch up, but I think that Chad was scummy enough that a vote is warranted, and if that pressures Boom to post, so much the better.
Vote: Boomfrog
N1: Bleed Cuth for 1 or 3. (You're either back at 7 or at 9.)
D2: Ping Target2. (You're at 6 or 8.)
N2: Bleed Cuth for 1 or 3 (total of 2 or 6) and Target2 for 1 or 3. (You're at 8, 12, or 14.)
D3: Ping Target3. (You're at 7, 11, or 13.)
N3: Bleed Cuth for 1 or 3 (total of 3 or 9), Target2 for 1 or 3 (total of 2 or 6), and Target3 for 1 or 3.
Unless one of the three has already died, you've dealt a minimum of 6 damage/maximum of 18 (although on the maximum front, you've probably killed Cuth or Target2). You're also potentially somewhere between 10 and 21 vitality (again, adjusted down if any of your targets died and/or you lost vitality in other ways).
That feels pretty dangerous in general, and possibly so swingy as to be unbelievable, especially if you hadn't claimed out of the blue and just secretly gone on a vampiric killing spree. A 4th Night is almost guaranteed Cuth/Target2/probably Target3 dead and more damage to a fourth target. Am I misunderstanding how your abilities work?
I asked because in 626 it sounded like you were counting "us villagers" and coming up with 16, which is (obviously) silly. But you corrected that in 629 and--still presumably counting town players, regardless of whether you're coming from your perspective or pretending to be Tubba--started at 18, subtracted "the self" (17) subtracted the mafia (assuming 4) (13), and subtract the neutral (12). If you're trying to emphasize how many town there are in the game (and therefore how silly it is to get worked up about one or two of them dying), then subtracting the (obviously, from either your personal perspective or you-being-Tubba perspective) doesn't help. It would feel more natural to say "why worry about 1-2 town when there are 13 in the game". I just don't understand why you'd subtract the self when trying to make that point.
As for your alignment, I had you pretty high on my list to start, but then when I iso'd your posts, there wasn't a lot there, so I'm re-evaluating. Your subtracting the self comment didn't feel like something that would come from a town mentality (and your explanation doesn't feel natural, either).
@Vaimes @Rhand Both of you think that phrase, coming from "it's the world versus me" HR in particular, is indicative of him being scum?
??????????
So not fully realizing the game mechanic once is understandable (I didn't). But you already had this "epiphany" a few pages back:
How did you forget that already?
Welcome, @Boomfrog.
I've been absolutely slammed irl, but I should have some more time tomorrow to dig a little deeper than just a catch up.
Most of what raised my eyebrows on early Iso can be explained by him trying to be a little less manic, a choice I applaud. Other things that gave me pause:
- Him liking my first post, which--given that I was getting flak for it from others--made me eye Iso's pockets suspicously.
- The "completely glazing over page 5, only 7 posts in" comment, which felt like a way to conveniently not notice things on that page, although I'm pretty sure he then went on to comment on things on that page.
- Some of his comments felt like fluff, which I don't recall being normal for him.
@Iso: I did a skim of Silver's early posts, and I'm reevaluating on him a little. There's not a lot of content there, and a whole lot of joking. Also, I think his 272 potentially comes from a scum!Chad buddy wanting to point out that Chad didn't really comment on him (Silver) before anyone else did. I'll finish iso'ing him when I have more time.
@Vaimes: In 629, why do you "subtract the self (in theory)" when you're trying to emphasize the count of town players?
Tubba and Cuth are both trending up for me from recent posts. And Tammy continues to feel obvTown.
Yep, a few more posts of unbridled righteous indignation from Highroller jogged my memory: this is very standard Highroller. First post flavor claim, then latch onto a polarizing controversy and ride it hard. Problem with that playstyle is that it's pretty easy to imitate as either alignment, so I'm still not getting strong vibes either way.
@Highroller: You may have mentioned this already, but if Wisp weren't yeetable, who would you yeet instead?
I have reservations about Wisp because it feels like his ability is a combination arsonist/serial killer/hitman concept, which is super cool in execution, but also feels potentially devastating and swingy. N1 he only does 1 or 3 damage, but N2 he's up to 3-9 damage total, depending, and N3 he's dealt 6-18 damage, and somewhere in there is likely at least one extra death, possibly three, and possibly all three occurring on N3. It just feels like it has potential to get out of hand. (Less so if he doesn't hit his desired targets, obviously, but his winning scenario is where I'm concerned.)
@Az: I'll take a look at the posts you mentioned on Sloth when I have time, but right now I'm giving you a pretty big side-eye because Sloth is high on my townlean list, and you having him as your highest suspect just doesn't track for me.
Also: Good luck/congrats on 3rd child. We just welcomed our (completely unplanned) third child a few months back and it's been pretty wild.
I suspect we'll find that very few players started with as much as you did, but that's what I would expect from a 3rd party role.
I think you're making that statistic up because I'm fairly certain that it tends to come from certain players, regardless of alignment.
@Grape: The last votecount is wrong; I unvoted Tammy.
What was your meme in 372 intended to communicate?
I was pretty bummed to see how much hate Rhand was getting for it. I can't be the only player who enjoys a good roleplay...
@Rhand: Huh, ok, that makes me feel a little better about you, I think. I was tinfoiling that you were RP'ing to pocket me (and maybe others). I LOVE roleplay (as long as it doesn't hinder communication, which yours wasn't for me), which is why games with Tom are almost always enjoyable for me. Now I'm stuck trying to figure out if you actually didn't know that/forgot it, or if my tinfoil just deepened a layer.
@Wisp: Holy carp I had forgotten that 0V equals death:That changes a lot for me, actually. I am re-evaluating my perspective on the mechanical aspects of the game now, and I'm sorta wondering why anyone would ever use the Skill ability. One-way chats can be nifty, but not if you have to suicide to establish them. :/
With that in mind, however, Wisp, how do you know it would take X activations to kill someone with your ability? It sounds like you started the game with 7V, but I didn't start with a number that high.
@Iso: Do you have Silver that low just because of his choo choo on a player who hadn't yet posted, or are there other elements that you either didn't mention or that I missed? Oh, you mentioned his 276. Anything else?
My phrasing in my vote was intended to be a reaction test to see who jumped on Tammy (and for what reasons) and who defended her.
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Tammy, Silver feel town.
Sloth feels like he's trying to solve, so he can be town.
KJ vs CC feels like two players putting their desire to be right on something trivial higher than any kind of win-con-related agenda, which makes me think they're TvT.
GJ's indignant frustration makes me want to town read him, but I think I remember him acting similarly as scum. @GJ: Can you list past scum games on this site so I can try to refresh my memory?
@Vaimes: Why does GJ rate a tier with 0-posters Iso and Az?
@Rhand: Do you think I like(d) your roleplay, or was I annoyed by it?
Tubba, WMU, Bur haven't really registered for me, which is only concerning, somewhat, for Bur, but maybe he's just busy. Cuth has mostly only registered for me because of their vote on me, but I can understand where he's coming from, so he's still null for me.
I think Chad has a >rand chance to be scum, mostly based on their "most of [Cantrip's] early posts struck me as odd" when I'd only made one post. Some reservations here, though, because I could see some town paranoia after the recent game he mentioned.
Highroller popping in to flavor claim and then peace-ing out is...pretty standard Highroller, I think. I'll need more data before forming an opinion.
@Wisp: So does your ability kill players who meet your criteria, or not? In 357 you said you have to kill players by being on their wagon or via your ability, but then you said you don't kill you just take vitality, so...?
Also, weren't we scum together not too long ago where you made up a terrible 3rd party role that either did get or should have gotten you sussed out?
I don't feel strongly enough about anyone to have a vote placed right now.
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Also, I was given a project at work yesterday that is going to consume a lot of time, so I likely will be light in my posting (said the guy with--now--two posts, haha) for at least the next 2-3 days. I'll try to keep up with the thread, though.