I have actually become disenfranchised with the whole Modern format. It has become a format of goldfish decks from Storm to Ad Naus to Scapeshift (oops I win if I have 7 lands in play) to more garbage. Modern has become the dumping ground of non-interactivity.
Control doesn't exist, fair decks lose, and grixis needs to run death's shadow just to compete with the rest of the junk that's piling up everywhere.
I've moved fully into legacy and even the combo decks there have more interaction than how a meddling mage makes a storm player in modern fold instantly. The problem is that interaction doesn't exist in modern the way it does in legacy. I remember Deathrite Shaman stopping graveyard shenanigans, I liked Jace, the Mind Sculptor a lot, and there's nothing wrong with Stoneforge Mystic with all the answers in the format anyway. If it isn't abrupt decay, path, push, K Kommand, and disenchant to name a few, there's many more answers as well. Besides, most of the real offenders win on turn 3 anyway.
Legacy, very few times does the game actually end before turn 5.
Even as it seems the opponent is about to pound your face in with a Marit Lage token on turn 3 you usually have Swords to answer it. If that isn't enough, you have wasteland to deal with Dark Depths and Thespian Stage anyway.
In Legacy, the format is varied and they must have answers to respond to one another. Even an Elf Deck in Legacy needs answers for certain questions posed by the opposing side.
Death and Taxes is a very real deck in Legacy, and Modern is a shadow of it. One is control, the other is a tempo based aggro deck. It's very well positioned in the current meta to answer nearly all of the threats while losing to fair decks like literal actual Jund or Junk. But that's a small bright spot in the format.... As it is, Modern has very few real answers to the problems that exist. Storm is so consistent that it can win even through discard or a counterspell.
Infect was on the decline thanks to additions like Fatal Push, but it's still very much a non-interactive deck compared to its legacy counterpart.
I don't know, I guess I feel that I should just stay away from Modern for a while, Wizards needs to unban certain cards and ban others in order to make the format healthy like it was before. I've never played with Splinter Twin, but I felt it was actually a fair deck especially with what transpired soon after that card got the ban.
Just my not so humble opinion, mind you... I used to love Modern but as I played Legacy more and more I have seen the threads become frayed...
I'd allow it. Good thing I don't bother with "pimping" ECH decks and keep my decks actually cheap it. Also does no one else use the thick sealed plastic protectors for their decks?
I double sleeve my decks. But it is still irresponsible To throw dice on somebody else's cards. It's like somebody sitting on the hood of my car and putting a dent in it. All it takes is one good hit and my property is damaged by your irresponsibility. I nearly lost it one time when somebody bridged my cards when they decided they were going to shuffle my deck because I will never Bridge my own cards. You could do that with your cards but do not do that with mine ever. Unless you want to pay to replace all the cards that you damaged
only if they're foam dice I'd allow them to be thrown on my cards. Otherwise if one of my cards is damaged from your dice hitting my cards you will buy me a new card. Care to replace a light play beta underground sea or a foil cradle? or even a one of a kind altered creature because the die chipped the paint on the card? So unless you've got deep pockets I'd suggest leaving that card far away from the average EDH pods.
My buddy is a D&T player and I have played extensively with the deck so yeah, I think I know how the deck works.
D&T was an untiered deck until DS appeared on the map. DS became prevalent, D&T won two major(SCG) events. DS is slowly becoming a Tier 2 deck again, D&T is slowly fading away also. Those aren't all coincidences. Might have to do something with the sol land also which you can just throw inside and call it a day in Eldrazi and Taxes.
D&T was, is and will always be a mediocre/bad deck in Modern(at least in comparison with how it's in Legacy). It's just that with DS, it gains an extra bye matchup in the top tiers and this matchup is making the deck winning more.
In Legacy though, for a whole bunch of different reasons, it's a good deck.
I want a better DnT deck for sure, because it will make for a better format. SFM will make it into the Death and Taxes for sure, or at least it will be a good headache for the DnT players to have to go or not with.
Literally the only part of this statement that's correct is that D&T is a better deck in Legacy than Modern. Everything else is just proof that you don't know what you're talking about.
My suggestion: spend some more time in the Modern D&T thread. Maybe play fewer "Snapcaster Mage.deck" decks. Watch D&T being streamed on Twitch or sleeve it up and play at your LGS.
Honestly, I'm not sure why you think you're the authority on this. I'm a D&T pilot. I post regularly in the Modern D&T thread. D&T is listed in my signature as a deck that I play. For comparison, I'm not sure I've ever seen you in that thread and your signature literally has "Snapcaster Mage.deck" written in it.
You are the authority on this, sure. So, I will take your word on this. But let me have my opinion in that if Shadow eats a ban, D&T becomes a deck you just cant play in the meta.
Also, sorry, not changing my favourite Snapcaster Mage - Cryptic Command decks again, not for anything in the world(Infect was a nice break). Also, never playing a non-blue deck. That's just not me
So, question: Why Legacy Death and taxes always play Stoneforge Mystic, but it's not 100% maindeckable in the Modern deck? I would take the "you cant dig due to the Arbiter" argument, but your argument was that there's no Jitte and there's no space for it. I find that hard to believe though.
Finally, if D&T is becoming better and better, that's good news for Modern. We need a deck that's keeping greedy decks like Eldra Tron, Titanshift, and 3 colour decks in check. That's one of the main things Modern needs tbh.
I have been on d&t in modern and legacy for a while now. Only deck I have played more has been GR Tron.
D&T is powerful, it has the tools to handle many games from grixis, DS, storm, scapeshift, breach and vengeance, dredge, living end, and so forth. I was in a pptq last month with 100 people and ended up in the final 4, losing to affinity beating me. In the normal swiss rounds I was the one to beat that affinity deck. He beat me in our rematch but only by the skin of his teeth.
The tier lists are mostly garbage imho anyway, because it really hinges upon what is popular not on what is actually good. Prime example? Nobody's playing grave hate, and living end makes 1st place.
Ok, so now that I posted these first 3 lines, I'm just going to go on the record that I am in the process of tweaking a list I'm working on which uses dinosaurs with the Jund mindset.
It also uses the mindset of remaining a midrange deck and I'm rather enjoying it at the moment. Anyways, enjoy.... If it proves to be a strong contender in the standard midrange environment I'll be writing a full primer for my deck.
In most cases demand drives the market. If, for example, Mishra's bauble wasn't popular, do you think it'd command a high price despite being uncommon? It's getting a reprint but it's still over 20 bucks. Lions eye diamond is arguably one of most busted cards and it's over 100 a piece. Inquisition and Path are printed into oblivion and they're still very expensive despite that. Sol ring has been printed into oblivion and they're still 5 dollars a piece on average. Collective brutality is going up despite being rotated out because of what it does. Because Drop of Honey is over 500 a pop players are now playing nodes and what used to be a 50 cent card is verging towards 10.
While I can agree with most of your statement about which is the coast controlling Market they are printing what they can to have the Supply to meet the players demands. I feel that if there was no Reserve list, they will reprint certain cards from there too because they want all the formats to thrive
It's no Cradle, not even meant to replace Cradle. But it's MaRo's way of getting around the reserved list by making slightly weaker functional reprints. I still recall the Snow Duels and possibility of them being legendary or something... Rivals of Ixalon, where the Ice Age kills off all the dinosaurs. There, I called it. Jace, mind addled, goes along with Vraska and finds El Dorado and picks up this shiny whatsit and triggers the calamity which brings upon the ice age.
Maybe there's a barrier around Ixalan, keeping the Walkers in, but keeping the Star out. Activating El Dorado causes the barrier to drop, so Jace, Vraska, and whomever can leave, but kills the plane after, which causes Jace strife. He's witnessed the destruction of to planes, and could do nothing to stop either.
I have a feeling we'll be seeing Tolarian Academy, Workshop, and Tabernacle with hurdles to jump. From requirements such as sacrifice 4 artifacts to flip into Academy, or if your opponents have X amount of creatures flip into Tabernacle, whatever...
Round 1 was against the mirror and I won 2-1 by the skin of my teeth.
Round 2 I played against a marvelworks deck and curbstomped it. Went 2-0.
Round 3 was against scapeshift. With 2 arbiters in play and a thalia I kept him from winning game 1. Game 2 had a displacer lock with thought-knot seer.
Lost round 4. Affinity beat me 2-1 due to a misplay on my part.
Round 5 win vs grixis shadow. Pretty much a bye for me.
Round 6 win against scapeshift, in top 8 now
Round 7 I took out Grixis Shadow again. Top 4 now.
Round 8 I lost to who I beat in the first round. It was a grind match but I couldn't beat what he played against me. He resolved a odric lunarch with mirran crusader and a Restoration Angel in play
The tournament had 3 D&T players and someone running UW Monument.
I've been kicking this card back and forth in many different deck ideas, so few actually panned out to do anything. I'm not just talking about the deck Saffron Olive posted, but in decks like Death and Taxes. It feels like it should fit there somehow but I can't find the squeeze for it. It's good against the decks like midrange and control because it's faster there but loses to combo and aggro and I was hoping for it to work there. I really want it to work, but after going 1-3 with the deck tonight I'm ready to shelve it.
I decided to go voltron a bit with anthems, stronger equipment, and more... Not sure if I have enough yet, but it's beginning to take shape as my newest favorite deck out there. I do believe I can drop about 10 more creatures for more ramp and more equipment and/or enchantments, but this is what I have come up with so far. I do believe adding an Eldrazi Conscription might be awesome.
That's what I figured, but we were all rolling because of what happened
Now here's a question on a different note on the same thing. How does God pharaohs gift interact with clever impersonator copying blightsteel Colossus for example?
My phone is acting up and won't let me link the cards all together but this is the question I have.
Also does Gideon eternal die from losing all loyalty or does he stay a creature and can gain loyalty or lose loyalty? I have no idea how this all works together but this is something that happened earlier today
I have actually become disenfranchised with the whole Modern format. It has become a format of goldfish decks from Storm to Ad Naus to Scapeshift (oops I win if I have 7 lands in play) to more garbage. Modern has become the dumping ground of non-interactivity.
Control doesn't exist, fair decks lose, and grixis needs to run death's shadow just to compete with the rest of the junk that's piling up everywhere.
I've moved fully into legacy and even the combo decks there have more interaction than how a meddling mage makes a storm player in modern fold instantly. The problem is that interaction doesn't exist in modern the way it does in legacy. I remember Deathrite Shaman stopping graveyard shenanigans, I liked Jace, the Mind Sculptor a lot, and there's nothing wrong with Stoneforge Mystic with all the answers in the format anyway. If it isn't abrupt decay, path, push, K Kommand, and disenchant to name a few, there's many more answers as well. Besides, most of the real offenders win on turn 3 anyway.
Legacy, very few times does the game actually end before turn 5.
Even as it seems the opponent is about to pound your face in with a Marit Lage token on turn 3 you usually have Swords to answer it. If that isn't enough, you have wasteland to deal with Dark Depths and Thespian Stage anyway.
In Legacy, the format is varied and they must have answers to respond to one another. Even an Elf Deck in Legacy needs answers for certain questions posed by the opposing side.
Death and Taxes is a very real deck in Legacy, and Modern is a shadow of it. One is control, the other is a tempo based aggro deck. It's very well positioned in the current meta to answer nearly all of the threats while losing to fair decks like literal actual Jund or Junk. But that's a small bright spot in the format.... As it is, Modern has very few real answers to the problems that exist. Storm is so consistent that it can win even through discard or a counterspell.
Infect was on the decline thanks to additions like Fatal Push, but it's still very much a non-interactive deck compared to its legacy counterpart.
I don't know, I guess I feel that I should just stay away from Modern for a while, Wizards needs to unban certain cards and ban others in order to make the format healthy like it was before. I've never played with Splinter Twin, but I felt it was actually a fair deck especially with what transpired soon after that card got the ban.
Just my not so humble opinion, mind you... I used to love Modern but as I played Legacy more and more I have seen the threads become frayed...
I double sleeve my decks. But it is still irresponsible To throw dice on somebody else's cards. It's like somebody sitting on the hood of my car and putting a dent in it. All it takes is one good hit and my property is damaged by your irresponsibility. I nearly lost it one time when somebody bridged my cards when they decided they were going to shuffle my deck because I will never Bridge my own cards. You could do that with your cards but do not do that with mine ever. Unless you want to pay to replace all the cards that you damaged
I have been on d&t in modern and legacy for a while now. Only deck I have played more has been GR Tron.
D&T is powerful, it has the tools to handle many games from grixis, DS, storm, scapeshift, breach and vengeance, dredge, living end, and so forth. I was in a pptq last month with 100 people and ended up in the final 4, losing to affinity beating me. In the normal swiss rounds I was the one to beat that affinity deck. He beat me in our rematch but only by the skin of his teeth.
The tier lists are mostly garbage imho anyway, because it really hinges upon what is popular not on what is actually good. Prime example? Nobody's playing grave hate, and living end makes 1st place.
Only a deck.
Only a standard deck.
Ok, so now that I posted these first 3 lines, I'm just going to go on the record that I am in the process of tweaking a list I'm working on which uses dinosaurs with the Jund mindset.
It also uses the mindset of remaining a midrange deck and I'm rather enjoying it at the moment. Anyways, enjoy.... If it proves to be a strong contender in the standard midrange environment I'll be writing a full primer for my deck.
4x Blooming Marsh
3x Canyon Slough
4x Dragonskull Summit
3x Evolving Wilds
2x Forest
4x Rootbound Crag
3x Sheltered Thicket
1x Swamp
Creature (24)
3x Carnage Tyrant
2x Deadeye Tracker
3x Deathgorge Scavenger
4x Drover of the Mighty
4x Otepec Huntmaster
4x Regisaur Alpha
4x Ripjaw Raptor
2x Fatal Push
3x Vraska's Contempt
Sorcery (6)
4x Commune with Dinosaurs
2x Duress
Planeswalker (1)
1x Vraska, Relic Seeker
1x Carnage Tyrant
2x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
2x Duress
2x Fatal Push
2x Magma Spray
4x Rampaging Ferocidon
1x Vraska's Contempt
1x Vraska, Relic Seeker
Another time I resolved a stasis with kismet in play and then skipped my next one hundred turns.
While I can agree with most of your statement about which is the coast controlling Market they are printing what they can to have the Supply to meet the players demands. I feel that if there was no Reserve list, they will reprint certain cards from there too because they want all the formats to thrive
Maybe there's a barrier around Ixalan, keeping the Walkers in, but keeping the Star out. Activating El Dorado causes the barrier to drop, so Jace, Vraska, and whomever can leave, but kills the plane after, which causes Jace strife. He's witnessed the destruction of to planes, and could do nothing to stop either.
I have a feeling we'll be seeing Tolarian Academy, Workshop, and Tabernacle with hurdles to jump. From requirements such as sacrifice 4 artifacts to flip into Academy, or if your opponents have X amount of creatures flip into Tabernacle, whatever...
3x Blade Splicer
4x Eldrazi Displacer
4x Flickerwisp
4x Leonin Arbiter
3x Mirran Crusader
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Thought-Knot Seer
4x Thraben Inspector
4x Path to Exile
Artifact (4)
4x Aether Vial
Land (22)
1x Cavern of Souls
4x Eldrazi Temple
4x Ghost Quarter
8x Plains
1x Scavenger Grounds
4x Shefet Dunes
2x Blessed Alliance
1x Dusk
1x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Leonin Relic-Warder
1x Phyrexian Revoker
4x Relic of Progenitus
3x Stony Silence
2x Sunlance
Round 1 was against the mirror and I won 2-1 by the skin of my teeth.
Round 2 I played against a marvelworks deck and curbstomped it. Went 2-0.
Round 3 was against scapeshift. With 2 arbiters in play and a thalia I kept him from winning game 1. Game 2 had a displacer lock with thought-knot seer.
Lost round 4. Affinity beat me 2-1 due to a misplay on my part.
Round 5 win vs grixis shadow. Pretty much a bye for me.
Round 6 win against scapeshift, in top 8 now
Round 7 I took out Grixis Shadow again. Top 4 now.
Round 8 I lost to who I beat in the first round. It was a grind match but I couldn't beat what he played against me. He resolved a odric lunarch with mirran crusader and a Restoration Angel in play
The tournament had 3 D&T players and someone running UW Monument.
The Top 8 broke down as follows:
1st - Affinity
2nd - D&T
3rd - D&T
4th - Burn
5th - Eldrazi Tron
6th - UR Storm
7th - Grixis Shadow
8th - Burn
I've been kicking this card back and forth in many different deck ideas, so few actually panned out to do anything. I'm not just talking about the deck Saffron Olive posted, but in decks like Death and Taxes. It feels like it should fit there somehow but I can't find the squeeze for it. It's good against the decks like midrange and control because it's faster there but loses to combo and aggro and I was hoping for it to work there. I really want it to work, but after going 1-3 with the deck tonight I'm ready to shelve it.
Arahbo, Roar of the World
1x Adorned Pouncer
1x Alms Collector
1x Angel of Jubilation
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1x Eternal Witness
1x Fleecemane Lion
1x Fleetfoot Panther
1x Hungry Lynx
1x Jazal Goldmane
1x Kemba, Kha Regent
1x Leonin Shikari
1x Lost Leonin
1x Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist
1x Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith
1x Oreskos Explorer
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Qasali Slingers
1x Raksha Golden Cub
1x Ramunap Excavator
1x Regal Caracal
1x Sakura-Tribe Elder
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Seht's Tiger
1x Skyhunter Skirmisher
1x Taj-Nar Swordsmith
1x Temur Sabertooth
1x Whitemane Lion
Instant (5)
1x Chord of Calling
1x Eladamri's Call
1x Path to Exile
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Worldly Tutor
1x Aura Shards
1x Curse of Bounty
1x Gaea's Anthem
1x Glorious Anthem
1x Mirari's Wake
1x Sylvan Library
Sorcery (3)
1x Divine Reckoning
1x Hunter's Prowess
1x Rishkar's Expertise
Artifact (23)
1x Akroma's Memorial
1x Behemoth Sledge
1x Bloodforged Battle-Axe
1x Eldrazi Monument
1x Godsend
1x Hammer of Nazahn
1x Heirloom Blade
1x Herald’s Horn
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Loxodon Warhammer
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mirage Mirror
1x Mirror of the Forebears
1x Mox Diamond
1x Oketra's Monument
1x Selesnya Signet
1x Skullclamp
1x Sol Ring
1x Spear of Heliod
1x Swiftfoot Boots
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of the Animist
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Land (33)
1x Arid Mesa
1x Canopy Vista
1x Cavern of Souls
1x Command Tower
1x Emeria, The Sky Ruin
1x Flooded Strand
6x Forest
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Gavony Township
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Marsh Flats
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Opal Palace
1x Path of Ancestry
6x Plains
1x Rogue's Passage
1x Savannah
1x Scattered Groves
1x Stirring Wildwood
1x Temple Garden
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Windswept Heath
1x Wooded Foothills
Now here's a question on a different note on the same thing. How does God pharaohs gift interact with clever impersonator copying blightsteel Colossus for example?
My phone is acting up and won't let me link the cards all together but this is the question I have.
Also does Gideon eternal die from losing all loyalty or does he stay a creature and can gain loyalty or lose loyalty? I have no idea how this all works together but this is something that happened earlier today
Anyways, here's the list:
7x Mountain
8x Island
4x Spirebluff Canal
4x Wandering Fumarole
Creatures:
2x Baral, Chief of Compliance
4x Enigma Drake
4x Torrential Gearhulk
4x Magma Spray
4x Abrade
4x Incendiary Flow
4x Censor
3x Pull From Tomorrow
4x Supreme Will
4x Disallow
2x Chandra's Defeat
2x Negate
2x Essence Scatter
1x Kefnet's Last Word
2x Sphinx of the Final Word
2x Crook of Condemnation
2x Hour of Devastation
2x Sweltering Suns