also so back reading a few games, and I've noticed that highroller always comes in with a flavor claim in his first post, I checked two other games on this site.
@Highroller
do you have a wolf game anywhere on this site?
still dislike his response to my claim, but there are definitely more palpable options
unvote: Highroller vote: Azreal
He needs to respond to Iso, because based on my own analysis his claim makes not much sense in regards to Iso's lean list. That fact that Tubba also doesn't have a scum lean is definitely not something I like
also I certainly care who gets flipped for the most part, but at the end of the day I asked to be on that train once we come to a consensus, and in that regards is less of me decision as it is your decision, like honestly removing my ability to take Vit, and I am just a 3/5 target executioner
This is probably the best post you've made all game.
Just woke up though so I’ll actually read what he said in full later, but my first impression is too blustery. Might just be normal for him. I haven’t played with him in years, and only once or twice maybe.
I don't get the Tubba hate. I kind of agree with him. and think it also reads genuine. Every time I see a town try to work with a neutral, I get Vietnam flashbacks of Xyer's game of neutrals and how willing the town is willing to accommodate him.
There are still microscopic traces of salt in my bloodstream from not winning that one. I was so close.
@Cantrip: Alright. Let me know when you have more from having read Silver.
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@WakeMeUp: Nice to meet you, as well. I don't play over on MU, but I do have one important question for you: Inside, When September Ends, or Before You Go Go?
i feel like i've done enough to warrant people remembering my posts and opinions
Nope! STILL have no idea what you've posted.
You should really do something about that.
It might honestly be your posting style.
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Blah blah words posts boring. I pretty much didn't read page 16.
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why are we still talking about the Neutral
would anybody still talking about the Neutral like to scumhunt
please and thank you
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OH LOOK AFTER TYPING THAT CROPCIRCLES COMES IN AND TALKS ABOUT THE NEUTRAL SOME MORE
CAN WE PLEASE LYNCH THIS GUY OMG
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I don't really see a point in speculating on the size of the scumteam. I mean if I had to guess, I'd say they have 4 members, which checks out with 1 Neutral and the rest town. So why are we not lynching scum, instead?
Ugh guess I should play the eternal catch-up game. Reading things.
You don't have to catch up if you solve the game by page five!
Sounds like effort.
Though I guess I can do votecount analysis at some point.
Motivation to effort dwindling after spending the last half-hour (mostly) reading the pages I missed.
Someone ask me something interesting for me to look into in the context of this game or I'm probably just going to keep yelling about how we haven't lynched CC, yet (which WHY IS HE STILL NOT IN CLAIM RANGE)
also so back reading a few games, and I've noticed that highroller always comes in with a flavor claim in his first post, I checked two other games on this site.
@Highroller
do you have a wolf game anywhere on this site?
still dislike his response to my claim, but there are definitely more palpable options
unvote: Highroller vote: Azreal
He needs to respond to Iso, because based on my own analysis his claim makes not much sense in regards to Iso's lean list. That fact that Tubba also doesn't have a scum lean is definitely not something I like
also I certainly care who gets flipped for the most part, but at the end of the day I asked to be on that train once we come to a consensus, and in that regards is less of me decision as it is your decision, like honestly removing my ability to take Vit, and I am just a 3/5 target executioner
Just woke up though so I’ll actually read what he said in full later, but my first impression is too blustery. Might just be normal for him. I haven’t played with him in years, and only once or twice maybe.
Sorry, something broke in me yesterday. Working on catching up.
I like Iso, I dislike Az. Iso feels super solvey so far, even if I am not sold on CC being wolfy.
Az, from my bird brain memory of his posts felt really consensus. He also seems weirdly giddy which feels so out of character for him, but that is probably nai.
Wisp is bothering me for some reason, but I can't really put my finger on why. I will try to explore that when I have less work in front of me.
I don't get the Tubba hate. I kind of agree with him. and think it also reads genuine. Every time I see a town try to work with a neutral, I get Vietnam flashbacks of Xyer's game of neutrals and how willing the town is willing to accommodate him.
@Iso:It's bad when you're basing assumptions on unknown info. It's not "if this person is scum then that person is" so much as "He's scum, so so are they" which doesn't logically follow given the uncertainty of the info.
I mean, I've made that very play, before, and voted for the player of the two that I thought was a bigger threat. As town. So, I think this is null.
He hasn’t played for ages, so a grain of salt is appropriate.
I think this is town!Iso solving the game.
There’s an easy Iso catch if he’s mafia, but ask me about that in a few Days or I ruin it.
Hm. Noted.
Something about his posts was putting me on edge - I think it was the occasional touches of whimsy he'd add like "I was like 'facesitting whattttt?' lol hashtag relatable!" intermixed with real analysis.
I used to get unreasonably angry with Mafia when people wouldn't just blindly follow me. I'm trying to take a chill pill and enjoy myself, this time around - that was a big part of my semi-retirement.
Meh, whatev. I like the content and I want to bounce thoughts off of him.
Also bouncing around Cuth thoughts in my head, and I find myself in the peculiar position that I'm not a fan of the way he's putting as little effort into things as possible, which flies in the face of the brief but content-heavy posts I've come to expect from him. However, in all the games that I remember with him, he was actually scum, so the deviation here is...good...?
Someone speak on this with me.
Yeah, this is probably my biggest issue with that player slot, which I noted in my catch-up - I don't remember a single post he's made all game, even since pointing that fact out.
@Iso: Your suspicion seems to come down to three points:
1. That I haven't been posting content.
I think my content has been just fine this game, and anyone can go back and look for themselves if they agree with you.
2. That I kept talking about math.
I would actually love a more concise accusation to respond to here, but the only reason I kept talking about it is because KJ was pressing me on it. So what, I should have just ignored him?
3. That you think my RVS vote was bad.
I'll pose the same question that I asked Sloth and never got an answer for: What would I, as scum, have to gain from a wagon vote at that time? It was RVS, there was no real pressure, it wasn't going to lead to a claim or elimination. I obviously wasn't trying to look like I was trying to contribute or look like I was hunting scum. It was a joke vote during the joke voting part of the game. What even are you accusing me of here?
You can clutch your pearls all day about how I'm not in claim range, but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
RE 1: I agree that they should. They'd likely come to the same conclusion that I have.
RE 2: I mean probably. It's just actively lurking and not contributing anything to the game. I think the right call would have been to call Killjoy out on his maths nonsense since we're scumhunting here.
RE 3: People could have latched on to the "Iso is lurking omg pressure him with votes!!!" mentality, especially since I've gotten lynched over people repeatedly posting a meme, before, which is a bit of a sore spot for me. You probably weren't aware of the meme lynching, but the fact that you're voting for one of my biggest townreads isn't really inspiring to me, either. Overall, I'm just unimpressed with your posts and what I have perceived your motivations to be and think we would be better off with you at least dead, if not more.
Dropping the gimmick for now because it keeps me from posting when I have little time to post and that’s not productive.
I also felt like GJ / Wisp was theatre. That’s why I first called them out. But I came back from that and thought it’s scum!Wisp interacting with town!GJ. That unvote from Wisp to vote Highroller for no reason though... yuck and might point to him being done with the distancing. I might have cleared GJ too quickly.
The interaction between Wisp and Chad also feels off.
baseline is that I am pretty much sold on Wisp and his interactions might point to Chad and GJ but those aren’t worth pushing until Wisp flips.
Hey Rhand, you're doing that thing where one person is scum in your eyes and then you decide others are scum because of it. Why are you doing that?
I mean, that's a thing that I do. Is that a problem?
Okay I'm back. I read the Chad thing and I agree that his vote feels out of place because he absolutely did not talk about Cantrip up to that point and spent the entire post before that talking about things other than Cantrip. Consider him bumped down on my list.
ohh did he really? That looks super bad, if true. Guess that is also something to check for myself once I'm not on mobile
Okay I'm back. I read the Chad thing and I agree that his vote feels out of place because he absolutely did not talk about Cantrip up to that point and spent the entire post before that talking about things other than Cantrip. Consider him bumped down on my list.
Fake vote because he clearly just made up a reason. Everyone knew Cantrip only had one post, either by being observant or because Cuth and I had talked about it a bunch.
Gotcha. Let me go back and try to parse that interaction to see how I feel about it.
It distresses me that CC is defending Silver's statement about townleaning the people voting me (not least of which because he was one of the people who jumped on that wagon) and didn't actually take issue with the statement in and of itself, rather than defending it to Killjoy. I think CC forgot how to play scum in his absence and is bungling his interactions. And he's STILL talking about math!!! Come on. Why is this guy not in claim range, yet?
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Ah so Whisp is claiming a Hitman-esque role. I feel he should claim his list - there is perhaps data to be gleaned from it. Whenever I designed a Hitman role, the majority of the people on their list were town, so I think we can utilize this. I would expect either a 3/2 split or a 4/1 with the latter being a lot less likely.
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I agree with Vaimes's #363.
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I see Silver has already touched on this. Odd that Whisp's role doesn't tell him who he needs to kill. Like...what the hell kind of Hitman doesn't know who's on their hitlist? I'm just going to play like he's an SK with extra info and we can deal with him when and if we haven't won when all the scum are dead.
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Whisp, if you have a killing ability, now is the time to claim it.
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Oh I guess that's a claim.
Okay he has a killing ability.
I definitely want him dead if we haven't won with 3-4 scum dead.
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I don't feel like Cantrip's catch-up post is all that he has to say about the game. Looking forward to more content from him.
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I think Highroller is town.
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@Vaimes What makes his vote fake? As for Az, he's someone whose opinion I very much want at this point in the game.
Dislike Silver's #276 and I like GJ's vote in response to it.
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Whisp's response to GJ in #283 is extremely uninspiring.
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Plan on providing any content, CC?
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Whisp's vote on Highroller, who stated he was going to read the game and post his thoughts feels completely useless at this stage in the game where there is tons of information off of which to base an actual, legitimate vote. He just keeps sinking further and further on my list in spite of his Rei avatar.
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Wait people are saying Killjoy hasn't been scum? I must have glazed over that but that is patently false - I have played with and against scumKilljoy on numerous occasions.
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Whisp waiting for Sloth to "bury someone" is not at all the mindset of somebody trying to solve the game.
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Silver using the term "iso" in #324 threw me for a loop because I forgot that was a thing and I was like "what do I have to do with this, I haven't even posted yet".
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GJ, I don't agree with your #326 - you have certainly "die scum"'d me, before, when you thought you had caught scumIso. Granted, you weren't willing to stake your neck on it, but it did very much happen.
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Hey Vaimes why do you think Chad is scum?
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@KJ: wat? only 12? I could have sworn we had played at least that many together, PLUS the games that I've hosted that you were in. Also, why did you have the exact opposite reaction to Whisp's Highroller vote that I had?
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@Rhand: I don't think Whisp and Chad are aligned if one of them is scum.
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Ah. So Whisp claimed Neutral. Well, that's fun [and by fun I mean that explains the utter lack of scumhunting]. What is your win condition?
Don't remember why I quoted this but I am in favor of lynching scum rather than a claimed Neutral on D1.
This is probably the best post you've made all game.
Bluster and boister is Az's MO.
What has CropCircles done that strikes you as coming from a town-motivated perspective?
Quack.
There are still microscopic traces of salt in my bloodstream from not winning that one. I was so close.
Because why name it Vaimes when you can name it Iso?
This isn't how everyone pronounces Vaimes?
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@Cantrip: Alright. Let me know when you have more from having read Silver.
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@WakeMeUp: Nice to meet you, as well. I don't play over on MU, but I do have one important question for you: Inside, When September Ends, or Before You Go Go?
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Nope! STILL have no idea what you've posted.
You should really do something about that.
It might honestly be your posting style.
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Blah blah words posts boring. I pretty much didn't read page 16.
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why are we still talking about the Neutral
would anybody still talking about the Neutral like to scumhunt
please and thank you
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OH LOOK AFTER TYPING THAT CROPCIRCLES COMES IN AND TALKS ABOUT THE NEUTRAL SOME MORE
CAN WE PLEASE LYNCH THIS GUY OMG
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I don't really see a point in speculating on the size of the scumteam. I mean if I had to guess, I'd say they have 4 members, which checks out with 1 Neutral and the rest town. So why are we not lynching scum, instead?
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@Az: Still sad you're not talking to me.
Sounds like effort.
Though I guess I can do votecount analysis at some point.
Motivation to effort dwindling after spending the last half-hour (mostly) reading the pages I missed.
Someone ask me something interesting for me to look into in the context of this game or I'm probably just going to keep yelling about how we haven't lynched CC, yet (which WHY IS HE STILL NOT IN CLAIM RANGE)
Ugh guess I should play the eternal catch-up game. Reading things.
On mobile so quoting all of this so that I can remind myself to respond to it later.
People keep saying "GF". Does that not refer to Grapefruit? Is there another player here whose name can be abbreviated as GF? Am I missing something?
Hi. Anything you wanna say to me?
wut.
I mean, I've made that very play, before, and voted for the player of the two that I thought was a bigger threat. As town. So, I think this is null.
Well, damn. Guess I made the wrong choice.
wut. I don't see how this does not match my catch-up, given that I made it immediately after gathering my thoughts post-catch-up. Elaborate?
I will when he stops being scum.
I used to get unreasonably angry with Mafia when people wouldn't just blindly follow me. I'm trying to take a chill pill and enjoy myself, this time around - that was a big part of my semi-retirement.
So, do so.
Yeah, this is probably my biggest issue with that player slot, which I noted in my catch-up - I don't remember a single post he's made all game, even since pointing that fact out.
So let's talk about it. What about my posts has you forming forehead wrinkles?
Grapefruit...isn't...in...this game...
RE 1: I agree that they should. They'd likely come to the same conclusion that I have.
RE 2: I mean probably. It's just actively lurking and not contributing anything to the game. I think the right call would have been to call Killjoy out on his maths nonsense since we're scumhunting here.
RE 3: People could have latched on to the "Iso is lurking omg pressure him with votes!!!" mentality, especially since I've gotten lynched over people repeatedly posting a meme, before, which is a bit of a sore spot for me. You probably weren't aware of the meme lynching, but the fact that you're voting for one of my biggest townreads isn't really inspiring to me, either. Overall, I'm just unimpressed with your posts and what I have perceived your motivations to be and think we would be better off with you at least dead, if not more.
Relax. He can always be lynched.
Agreed. But I think it can be tabled for now.
I mean, that's a thing that I do. Is that a problem?
Ah, okay.
I'm amused that you think you can handwave me like this.
I had one other post quoted but I don't remember whose it was or why I wanted to respond to it so that's what you get.
All of my feelings and thoughts regarding GJ that I have felt like sharing can be located in my catch-up posts.
I liked his early approach. Also, all of my thoughts and feelings that I wish to share regarding Highroller can be found in my catch-up posts.
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Amused that Rhand is deploying Silver Rage. Is that still a tell?
Do give it a look.
Okay I'm back. I read the Chad thing and I agree that his vote feels out of place because he absolutely did not talk about Cantrip up to that point and spent the entire post before that talking about things other than Cantrip. Consider him bumped down on my list.
I think GJ made his ridiculous "rule of champs" comment around that point. If that's not correct, I can't remember what brought Az to mind.
Gotcha. Let me go back and try to parse that interaction to see how I feel about it.
From towniest to scummiest with Tubba starting the Nulls:
Slothful
Tammy
Vaimes
Rhand
Gentleman Johnny
Killjoy
Highroller
ChadMD
Tubba Fett
Cantripmancer
Azrael
Cuthalion
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Wisp
Bur
Silvercrys3467
CropCircles42
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Ah so Whisp is claiming a Hitman-esque role. I feel he should claim his list - there is perhaps data to be gleaned from it. Whenever I designed a Hitman role, the majority of the people on their list were town, so I think we can utilize this. I would expect either a 3/2 split or a 4/1 with the latter being a lot less likely.
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I agree with Vaimes's #363.
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I see Silver has already touched on this. Odd that Whisp's role doesn't tell him who he needs to kill. Like...what the hell kind of Hitman doesn't know who's on their hitlist? I'm just going to play like he's an SK with extra info and we can deal with him when and if we haven't won when all the scum are dead.
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Whisp, if you have a killing ability, now is the time to claim it.
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Oh I guess that's a claim.
Okay he has a killing ability.
I definitely want him dead if we haven't won with 3-4 scum dead.
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I don't feel like Cantrip's catch-up post is all that he has to say about the game. Looking forward to more content from him.
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I think Highroller is town.
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@Vaimes What makes his vote fake? As for Az, he's someone whose opinion I very much want at this point in the game.
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Okay that settles it. Vote: CropCircles
No brakes, etc.
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I am caught up.
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Silver's #256: wat.
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I'm fine with Chad's #260.
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Grah, I want Az to post.
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Fine with GJ's #275.
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Dislike Silver's #276 and I like GJ's vote in response to it.
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Whisp's response to GJ in #283 is extremely uninspiring.
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Plan on providing any content, CC?
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Whisp's vote on Highroller, who stated he was going to read the game and post his thoughts feels completely useless at this stage in the game where there is tons of information off of which to base an actual, legitimate vote. He just keeps sinking further and further on my list in spite of his Rei avatar.
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Wait people are saying Killjoy hasn't been scum? I must have glazed over that but that is patently false - I have played with and against scumKilljoy on numerous occasions.
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Whisp waiting for Sloth to "bury someone" is not at all the mindset of somebody trying to solve the game.
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Silver using the term "iso" in #324 threw me for a loop because I forgot that was a thing and I was like "what do I have to do with this, I haven't even posted yet".
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GJ, I don't agree with your #326 - you have certainly "die scum"'d me, before, when you thought you had caught scumIso. Granted, you weren't willing to stake your neck on it, but it did very much happen.
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Hey Vaimes why do you think Chad is scum?
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@KJ: wat? only 12? I could have sworn we had played at least that many together, PLUS the games that I've hosted that you were in. Also, why did you have the exact opposite reaction to Whisp's Highroller vote that I had?
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@Rhand: I don't think Whisp and Chad are aligned if one of them is scum.
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Ah. So Whisp claimed Neutral. Well, that's fun [and by fun I mean that explains the utter lack of scumhunting]. What is your win condition?
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And that's pages 6 and 7.
ur rong
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Starting pages 6 and 7.