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honestly, you should probably post the list in the dredge discussion. This thread is more so for midrange variants.

Don't forget phyrexian arena.

Personally, I think abzan charm is worth more people trying since celestial colonnade and other mid-rangey win-cons are so prevalent these days and it handles them in a pinch as well as works as a divination...plus its instant speed as opposed to a sorcery which gives us the ability to play the stack a little more. I get the whole one extra card thing is kind of a big deal, but like I said, if you haven't tried abzan charm, give it a shot.

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You can go without them but then it's not the same deck anymore.

This is actually what it boils down to. There's plenty of successful junk lists that don't run lilly or goyf, but they're a different kind of deck that is primarily discussed in another thread. I know the primer and thread title can be a bit misleading in that regard, but this thread is for discussion of b/g/x midrange...not really the aggro variants.

Hey guys, working on a new primer for this deck. If there's anything specific you'd like me to add, like deck lists or resources or whatever just shoot me a message.

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any treefolk builds here?

I mentioned it in the primer, but this thread is primarily for competitive discussion of the traditional variants and therefore the treefolk discussion should probably go under its own thread.

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how do we sideboard against merfolk. what will be OUT and IN for sideboarding and key cards for us and problematic cards for us.

Depends on lists, of course but:

Out: thoughtseize (leave in IOK though), probably one bob and/or one scavenging ooze depending on how much you have to bring in.

In: Kitchen finks, zealous persecution, damnation, good blockers. If you have something to take out for fulminator mage thats a possibility. This is also one of the few matchups I really like timely reinforcements since they don't have trample or any way of interacting with the lifegain portion.

Spreading seas is probably the most problematic thing for us as it can really keep us off balance in casting timely removal spells or blockers. Other problematic cards include master of waves (mainly because it blanks abrupt decay and liliana), tidebinder mage, harbinger of the tides, threads of disloyalty (this one can cause HUGE blowouts), kira, great glass spinner, and also the occasional well-placed vapor snag.

I know it seems kind of vague, but it just depends on what you have access too. Damnation is probably the best card we have access too that's commonly played. There are several very narrow cards like Scryb Ranger and stuff like that that aren't commonly played.

I think it actually makes a deck like affinity insane. As mentioned previously, D&T actually wants to keep its creatures around for their effects, namely thalia, guardian of thraben and mother of runes, which would normally be the ideal skullclamp targets. Delver wouldn't really want it that much either probably, maybe as a 1-of to make killing a delver or tarmogoyf much less enticing...unless of course they have young pyromancer and then its probably just amazing. Affinity on the other hand can just go crazy with expendable X/1's like memnite, signal pest, vault skirge, ravager, and other stuff that doesn't have a huge effect by themselves but rather are better as a swarm or with cranial plating. This in combination with access to fast mana in the form of ancient tomb, springleaf drum, and mox opal. Elves also comes to mind with so many ways to make mana and fuel skullclamp with X/1's.

Was wondering if it would be possible to take over a primer? The ANT primer in particular. Looks like it hasn't been updated in a long time. Let me know.

has anyone tried anguished unmaking yet? I think I'd rather be playing this over maelstrom pulse for several reasons.

Agree with most of these, but merfolk is probably closer to even. Burn is still generally slightly unfavorable as well. Most of these will be closer to even. Also, builds have to be taken into consideration as well, because matchups like scapeshift are a lot better with things like knight of the reliquary, or if you're more aggro and less control. For the record, I am only using unfavorable, slightly unfavorable, even, slightly favorable, and favorable. There's not much to be gained by adding "very" to any of them. Truth is, this deck doesn't have any actual very favorable or unfavorable match ups. Very unfavorable matchups would be like soul sisters vs. burn. This deck doesn't really have any match ups like that...even tron, because at the end of the day, if a tron player fumbles or if we have great hands with all of our hate, they'll still lose.

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can we update the match up list? I would like to know if they are favourable for us for unfavourable. mostly for merfolk, death and taxes, zoo.

I've been meaning to do this for a while, as well as get a bunch of other updates made but have just been really busy with end of school year stuff. I'll try to get some updates made either tomorrow night or saturday (probably saturday night).

Also, I've been playing jund more than junk lately which is why I haven't really made too many updates in a while, but may be swinging back into white again with tec-edge being a lot more viable than in recent modern meta.

Could have some cool effects with descendants' path...but there aren't a ton of really sweet fatty humans and/or scouts.

Oddly enough, yeah, eldrazi is worse. Treasure cruise is definitely a far more busted card, but the eldrazi deck is far better than a modern delver deck fueled by treasure cruise.

I'm a little less upset at wizards though because it would have been a bit more difficult to spend the time in testing to figure out this deck could be potentially problematic. But treasure cruise was a just a clear indication that wizards spends next to zero time playtesting new cards in modern/legacy. I still don't understand why wizards hasn't gone to the modern and legacy communities to get help in this regard. We all know damn well there are people on this forum that are perfectly capable of evaluating cards reasonably and will actually spend the time to do so...for free, even. Modern would have a lot of problems solved by now if they actually had people doing research and playtesting things providing actual data that isn't from MTGO which is terribly skewed.

Absolutely. And yes, it is probably the only card from this set that will go into the deck. It will definitely be added to the deck though.

Start with thrun, the last troll and go from there. Planeswalkers are pretty good, but you should really only play ones that are 4 CMC. Also batterskull and thragtusk are really sweet.