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  • posted a message on The Gitrog Monster - Non-combo Infinite Value
    I am all aboard both these 2 new cards. I do worry about how difficult it is to trigger ascend reliably. Just makes this card a late game card which I'm not sure I need more of but I do like the redundancy it does give. I'm going to try it as honestly I like it more than azusa at first glance. I find her to be too hit or miss. I'm sure I'm wrong but gonna try it anyways.

    I really love world shaper honestly depending on the style of deck I can see it being a fine value card as well as just a completely busted combo piece. I play with death cloud and smallpox and a ton of value mill cards and I want to live the dream.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    placed 1st at fnm!. We split top 4 due to it being too close to the midnight prerelease so that kinda stinks, I was hoping to get in a couple more matches but what can you do.


    r1 GR Ponza. Played 3 games. I got completely screwed g2 as I expected. G3 he played strangely. I guess he wanted to aim to develop his board as opposed to just stone raining me over an over and turns out that was a super bad decision for him. I was able to untap, lost legacy his blood moon. then untap, pulse his arbor elves then surgical his stone rains, snagging one from his hand. From there he rips a bunch of lands and I was able to get out of my mana issues to secure victory.
    1-0

    r2 mono blue living end
    g1 I was able to disrupt him long enough to get out some threats and a scooze. g2 he just rips perfect after I thought it was an easy win. I guess visions will do that along with a million cyclers. I didn't see my damnation. g3 he draws a lot of as foretold and not a lot of relevant things and I was able to slow him long enough that as foretold didn't matter through surgicals and scooze, etc.
    2-0

    r3 GWb counters company
    long super exciting games. I drew pretty well and I think overall made solid choices although I'm sure I made plenty of non-optimal plays. Just so many decisions vs that deck. I have a TON of SB cards to make this match in theory pretty good but it never felt easy. Grafdiggers and night of souls betrayal were mvps this match.
    3-0

    r4 eldrazi tron
    we drew this match to get into top 4 but we played a 2 preboard games for fun. I bricked pretty hard in this match but it wasn't due to anything I could control. Although I will say, in g1 I went for t2 tks and ended up getting locked out from a chalice on 1. I drew 4 1 drops in a row to end my hand as 3 oath, 2 inquisition, 1 push and 2 lili LOL. Had I played a little slower and went t1 oath I would have been fine as I could at least cast liliana. It's so hard to turn down t2 tks though. Liliana though is probably my best card in this match. Maybe vs that deck it was worth it to play t3 tks. I'm not sure to be honest. Usually chalice on 1 isn't that bad but sometimes you just draw the wrong half of your deck haha.

    Pulse was super mvp last night as was surgical. It was nice to actually have surgical be good. I still plan to go up to 3 scooze main. I've been toying though instead of a 3rd scooze for a tireless tracker but that's probably not right. I picked up a treetop but played quagmire instead. Honestly it's probably worth keeping in the quagmire over the more aggressive treetop. Being able to kill huge dudes is worth it for me as I don't have the best removal for cmc 4+. While I didn't have it in e-tron and living en it excels a lot on those matches. Also it was relevant keeping a large scooze at bay for a bit in my r3 match.

    I really really love this deck. This is the longest I've ever been on a deck and I have no intentions to change anytime soon. I'm almost done foiling it out too but only mega expensive things left.../cheer for sketti monsters!
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    I was on the receiving end of their nut draw vs above average hands and lost quickly and decisively. Average hand vs average hand, ours are better overall I'd say but we need a very tailored hand to beat combo in general, something like t1 disruption into t2 scooze. Or multiple discard/removal spells over first 2 turns. If we are taking a turn off it's a pretty decent chance we may lose vs a competent player. I guess that's basically every midrange deck though haha.

    I've played storm about 5 times now with my current setup and I think I'm 2-3 vs it. I would say pilot error on my part and I'm sure there were decisions I could have made to win those games like more aggressive mulling or taking card X over card Y. Storm has gotten extremely resilient too depending on the build. Most of the games they just found the remaining pieces they need and I can't stop a top deck.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Interesting thoughts. I like the idea of another scooze honestly. Storm isn't huge in my meta but I know it's picking up steam in general. I think upping my chances of getting one actually would help out other matches as well in game 1. I can't justify 4 though. I've lost games even through a scooze so I don't think my SB would change but means I can diversify and not have to use leylines. I'm not a huge fan of surgical but I do like cage.

    This deck should be decent against storm outside nut draws from them. We certainly do have the tools.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    as in go 3 scooze total? Bog still seems too random for me. I feel like I need something faster than scooze in the SB. Storm can certainly kill you before scooze matters as it did to me. I know that's not the norm but still. I did love having scooze main.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Went 3-1 at my 33 man FNM. No changes to my list. Certainly some sb woes I think. More into that later

    r1 GR ponza
    Did my best to play around his LD and just did what my deck does, disrupt and beat down. g2 he took me to pound town and blood moon shut me out long enough to drop a titan and I couldn't get back in while sitting with a pulse in hand Frown g3 I hit lost legacy on blood moon on my t3 and managed to snag one from hand and from there it was no problem as I had not a ton to fear.
    1-0

    r2 mono black devotion
    I had enough discard and such that I was able to race through an obliterator and discard anything else of relevance he drew. g2 was much the same. This felt pretty easy but things just lined up well for me. I have a feeling it's probably a pretty good matchup for me long as we can dodge the grey merchant for too much.
    2-0

    r3 life from the loam value dredge
    This is just an aggro, value town, smallpox, squee, goblin nabob, zombie infestation dredge build. It can grind like you wouldn't believe but it's also really slow which I think is it's greatest weakness. It can't just explosive nut draw into a million amalgams and ghasts. g1 scooze sealed the deal for me. Glad I had it. g2 I didn't have too much and he was able to hide behind zombie infestation for so long with a squee and loam making 2 zombies every turn for "free". He forgot about hissing quagmire for the entire game which allowed me to dodge the GQ he wasn't using on me. Honestly had he just been GQ me every turn I would have eventually lost for sure since he just had infinite blockers. Well his huge missplay means his alpha went short by 1 attacker allowing me to just swing back when he had essentially nothing on board.
    3-0

    r4 storm
    I was facing none other than Dr. Rich Shay and he put me in the dirt. g1 he's on the play and storms me on his t3 my t2, sweet. I played a scooze and thought I would be fine. nope. g2 I had my SB cards and legacied his gifts. Easy. g3 he storms me again on his t3 my t2 after I thoughtseized him on my t2. He had essentially nothing but a baral in play, baral and a past in flames in hand. He rips pieces of the puzzle into 2 rituals and goes off from there. I had a tks coming down the next turn which I feel would have sealed my victory but that didn't happen. sigh.
    3-1

    I ended top 4 but everyone wanted to split and cube so I didn't get any more matches in which I'm sad about. I still can't decide on SB GY hate. So far I like grafdiggers cage so those will stay but I dunno on surgicals. Either I need to add a 3rd or dump them and add back in leylines. Maybe 2 surgical, 2 lost legacy 2 cage is enough. If only I could have a 1-2 more SB slots. I just need to grind some matches vs these kind of decks I think to know for sure.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    The more I discuss and talk about Journey to Eternity, the more I like it. It certainly doesn't help in our bad matchups which is legit but there are a lot of decks like grixis, jund, etc that would have a hell of a hard time with instant speed goyfs or hell smashers.

    If you can put it on a reshaper the value you get is just insane as long as it sticks and you can kill it. There is value in even using removal on your own guy as it comes back. Wonderful mirrorbreaker card. I'll try it in my 75 but I'm not overly optimistic about it. I hope I'm wrong.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Without a reliable sac outlet the enchantment isn't great. It may mean your guy becomes unblockable or you just board stall with it. With PtE as mentioned and no way to fully control when your guys die without losing value to do so makes it a no from me. I mean, using a removal on your own guy to trigger it isn't the worst but you are still using a card where as you might just get free value with a sac outlet or forcing them to kill it. I think it's interesting and perhaps in certain matchups it's good. It could be a decent mirror breaker kind of card. It doesn't help our bad matches which is the biggest problem I have with it.

    I'm late to the discussion on the Red v Black but I personally don't think red adds much but it is a different take on the deck. I do actually like the obligator it's a very strong aggressive card and if you can maintain momentum it's hard to lose which is what the deck aims to do vs BG inherently is more controlly midrange. And for that purpose, having a mana dork t1 ups the chance of being able to play a 4 drop t2 and smashers t3. Obligator is also very good against tron. Deck does seem soft to storm but it does have tools to fight pretty much everything. There's certainly another forum for this deck style I'm sure. I certainly prefer what black has to offer. Interesting side note, we are much better vs boggles then they are, too bad that's not really a thing. I guess it comes down to the meta as this deck is better vs some decks than others.

    I have tried out nobles and birds before and sometimes they were fine sometimes they weren't. Being able to accelerate is not to be underestimated and I have waffled back and forth thinking about adding them back again. Being able to play your stuff ahead of curve is the only reason decks like these can compete. I think for me it's hard to remove that interaction with our bad matchups, at least some, in g1. Sometimes t1 discard into goyf just wins where as t2 reshaper does not, or at least not nearly as often.

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Well 700 isn't bad honestly I'm assuming the majority of the price is in goyf and liliana which I personally could never do without. Ok that's not true, I do want to try a "budget" build with stranglers, stirrings, relics and such. I have some of the gb stuff already so maybe that's at least a good way to start.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    went 3-1 and fnm again. It was a strange strange fnm so I don't really consider the results worthwhile other than I get experience playing.

    r1 GW wnchantment pillowfort. i got t0 leyline of sanctity into t2 suppression field. The leyline was a minor inconvenience but the field just wrecked me. It's blatantly obvious this is a HORRIBLE match up for me. we played an extra game and the results were the same. I would put this at a 80-20 in their favor or worse. Was brutal. Thankfully this deck doesn't really exist outside fnm lol.
    0-1

    r2/r4 nykthos mono green genesis wave. I'm combining these 2 rounds together as they were very similar in their card choices. I wrecked both of these players in comical fashion although in r2 my opponent genesis wave for 4 then the next turn waved for 10....Thankfully he never found his craterhoof behemoth and I was slowly able to take over the board and win. Played a bunch more games for funsies and I won all of them.
    2-1

    r3 U/r as foretold living end. This is a similar list to the mono blue as foretold living end list except he was playing things like faithless looting over the sphinx. We both agreed at the end of the match it's not the right direction to go. Despite him drawing and cycling through so many cards it was still clunky. I did draw pretty well I can see this being a hard match with a well tuned list. Next time i think he's going to play mono blue and splash for maindeck blood moon which sounds amazingly gross.
    3-1

    SO i played against 3 nykthos decks...fun matches all around but It wasn't the greatest for legit testing. I still don't like a few of my SB choices. Maybe I'll cut 1 flaying tendrils for a second damnation. Decks with huge guys can be a big problem for me seeing as I only have pulse and maybe liliana to deal with them, push and decay being situational. I tries out 2 surgicals and wished every time they were leylines. For now it's fine as I still don't know how they will do vs something like tron which I'm far more afraid of. I have a long time till april for the GP to figure these things out. I wish I could build this online but goyf and liliana are too pricey for me currently. Maybe someday soon I'll suck it up and make the investment. mtgo always worries me.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Fun GB delerium "eldrazi" list on CFB. His summary pretty much sums up how I felt about the deck as well. Almost every game I was just wishing he was playing my version or something along those lines anyways. Not a fan of the delerium angle, or at least not a fan of Emrakul anyways. It pushes the deck into some weird mediocre inconsistent mashup. I do think there's room to play around with things like traverse but even then, it seems meh especially as something like a 4 of.

    Good to see people playing something similar...too bad the video probably won't bring many people here Frown

    Figure It's time to post an updated list



    my thoughts for the deck are mainly SB musings. Basically how important is cage vs 4th leyline. Probably better to have leyline but I do need all the help I can against the rando coco/chord/snapcaster/souls decks. For now I'm going to try this. Betrayal has been sweet but I can see that getting cut as well. There are a multiple decks that have a hard time with it.

    Other possibilities could be surgicals over leylines. I think this helps some matches but hurts others. Surgicals help me more vs scapeshift and potentially tron as I have so many dead cards anyways and I could try for the LD+surgical combo. It makes dredge much worse along with other random value decks that use the GY. hmm I may be talking myself into it.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    I agree totally. Went by 3-1 again at fnm. Beat burn, 5 color humans then lost a super close one to affinity. Then proceeded to beat the Gerard Fabiano rug moon value deck that did well in the invitational. I managed to essentially dodge blood moon or discard it but the threat is always real. I have a bunch of cards in the mail, mostly foils but wasn't able to try out the new mana base. Have to take next week off sadly but I'm going to try and test against tron. I saw a lot in this most recent gp. That and titan shift did well and both are pretty bad. Shift especially. I dunno how much I can board for it, maybe it's just best to hope to dodge it. For reference, I'm going to bring this deck to gp Hartford in April and I find it hard to believe Either of those decks won't be a force by then. Hopefully, but we shall see.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    I've done some initial testing and so far I really like going up to 23 lands and adding couple more basics. Field of ruin has been excellent thus far with 4 basics. Although I will admit I'm far from any concrete truths, the getting a basic has been kinda huge allowing for either removal with revolt, discard, oath or a scooze activation combined with LD. It's a shame field doesn't really help me against a blood moon unless moon comes down late but that's where the 4 basics help I suppose. I also like having a wastes but maybe that's not necessary and could be something else at some point.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Went 3-1 at fnm. Lost to abzan r1 in 3 very close games. Ultimately lost g3 to topdeck tireless tracker. beat mono red skred, death and taxes and budget mono green aggro/infect deck.

    Tested out 1 hissing quagmire and 1 driven // despair. Quagmire was fine but not amazing. I think it's necessary though. Only running 22 lands makes the slots super tight. I kinda wanted to go back to 23 and add another basic but I have no idea what to cut...a discard spell probably? I'm not sure the numbers on quagmire. 1 is certainly making the list but I can see some hard matches where deathtouch is super relevant and I'd want 2. Most times it's a grey ogre and sad. I think any way to help survive topdeck mode seems looking into.

    I think driven is still worthy to test again. I'm not sure it's better than Rhonas but I can see it. Any way to draw a couple extra cards and push through some damage seems worth it. Not actually pumping the creatures was kinda annoying as it's not a potential "counterspell" for things like bolt or really pushing through damage since it's a sorcery and no gotcha moments. I think I will also be shifting explosives for ratchet bomb. Not being able to hit 3+ drops is a problem. Plus it's usually a better reshaper flip.

    I think another basic is worth it, possibly adding a land and getting another. I think I'm going to just turn urborg into a swamp. I will be sad to cut it but I think 2 basics is way too greedy. I guess I would have to dodge a blood moon meta and it's fine. I got very lucky and managed to beat skred through blood moon but I'll be honest I was very lucky as I always had 1 basic to at least cast some things but I was basically shut out. Having a wastes seems good as well. Plenty of ghost quarter/field of ruin and moons and fulminator mage running around. Speaking of ruin, if I were to go up to 4 basics and 23 lands, I will try 1 field, 1 GQ. I can see a lot of value of field over GQ even though it is slower. Hell, I still kinda wish I could go back to the 3 GQ. I did pick up a twilight mire finally so that gets a slot as well. Very excited for that card. Got an expedition of it and few other foils for my birthday so I'm slowly getting to full pimp threshold.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Finally found the link to my match vs death and taxes. I'm on the left Smile my opponent is a pro tour player. Real deal opponent. I like playing him, we always have great games

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
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