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  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    I love the numbers I think as is for the walkers. I def don't like 3-2 main. I would do 4-1 for sure before that. I'm still undecided about 2nd hope. There are a decent number of matchups like control and midrange I'm not sad to have it. Some matches it's super bad but I like boarding into another when needed. I'm not sure I can fit another lili into my main. I'm so tight on slots as is.

    I'm still all over with lost legacy. In general I do love it but it doesn't do a much outside of very specific matchups. Even then scapeshift is diversifying so only like storm and ad nauseum really get crippled by it. I'm trying different things to see if I can get something more versitile. Maybe some surgicals are just better. So far torpor orb is only for decks like counters company and uw control. some other random decks too it can be good against. I'll probably still cut it.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Another FNM report


    r1 jund
    both games I have double temple hands very early and just fight through his stuff and draw like a boss. Was super fun...for me. I even got to lili last hope emblem him. Smile
    1-0

    r2 abzan
    g1 lose to lingering souls. g2 I fight through some souls and beat down. g3 smasher is MVP and rip him off the top to get through and kill his lili at 5. From there he's on the back foot the rest of the time.
    2-0

    r3 affinity
    I never cobble anything together after a mull to 5 and stuck on 1 land. I figured I had a temple and literally any land in 3 looks and I'll probably be ok. I conceeded when i missed 4 times. g2 I dont see any SB cards and he just goes ham sammich on me. We play another for fun and I beat him. So i figure the match is hard but certainly beatable if my cards line up. They didn't this time but it feels far from hopeless.
    2-1

    r4 jeskai control
    g1 cavern of souls and big dudes get me there. g2 I lose to too many counters and no real gas. Geist grinds me out. g3 my cards line up perfectly vs what he is doing and I just curve out hard on him and finish with the ol' smasher into smasher off the top. I'm soooooo glad I put in another cavern over GQ. I think for now I'll stay at a 2-2 split.
    3-1

    I ended in 4th and we decided to split instead of playing it out. I mulled way less than last week so it's possible my curve is perfect as is but I can see an argument for 23 lands. I have a feeling if we had an actual good manland I would want 23 easy. Not sure quagmire is good enough. Have been debating mutavault or treetop village but I dunno. Hashep oasis seems interesting but the lifeloss is real issue as is double green reliably when I need it. Dub black is much easier for me than dub green.

    Smasher has been easy MVP for me this week. I still haven't figured out the best SB yet and I doubt I will. Mainboard seems very good to me. So far haven't wanted to change a thing. Shadow of doubt was cute but didn't do much in the jeskai match I had it but I know I am pretty hard loser to scapeshift type decks. I may switch back to lost legacy for combo matches. Too much to plan for in Modern not sure which kind of matches I should just not even attempt to combat. Golgari charm was fine but not super relevant, cant decide if I want that or seal of primordium.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    I totally agree on the lack of good manlands. It really is one of the biggest problems with the deck. There's also another good one in treetop village although it's only a green land but it's a solid one.

    small report. Same deck as usual, I adjusted couple of my cards as per my previous post

    r1 storm
    I got really mana screwed in this match and had to mull a LOT. I still somehow managed to take it down in g3. I was glad to have lost legacy. Not too much to say otherwise. This matchup feels kinda 50-50.
    1-0

    r2 storm
    storm again blech. I again have to mull both games and get mana screwed again g1. I had lethal on board but he managed to pull it off g1. g2 I mull to 6 keep an ok hand but get my TKS remanded t3 and then he goes off...I didn't see a single SB card felt bad but it is what it is. Bad side of variance so far halfway through the tourney.
    1-1

    r3 burn
    Both games weren't even close. Some discard with fast beats. He kept killing my reshapers and they flipped into things like liliana and a 4/5 goyf so that was fun. Not sure why I'm beating burn so easily lately. I feel like I shouldn't especially considering I have very minimal lifegain. Something to think about though.
    2-1

    r4 WB eldrazi processors
    These games were also very easy for me. I played around his relics, and just drew better than him I guess. I feel like I'm favored but maybe it's like 60-40. It felt much easier than that but I was just always ahead. I was afraid of lingering souls but thankfully he didn't rip a million of them. Otherwise my guys are just so much bigger than his on average. I drew well too, sometimes you are just on the right side of variance.
    3-1

    I can't complain with another 3-1 finish. I mulliganed a LOT and was mana screwed in multiple games although not really color screwed. I can't draw any real conclusions from that exactly but it felt bad for sure. Otherwise, it's so fun playing this list as it's disruptive and slams really hard and quickly. I may need to look into 1-2 more GY hate cards. Storm is still brutal matchup as there's always a solid possibility I don't draw tons of disruption or a timely removal spell and just die.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    That makes sense on the cantrips, before this I was big into sultai midrange and I've had games with multiple serum visions and thoughtscours and sometimes they just don't do anything. There's no way harmonize would be good in this deck. Having to tap out and do nothing on t4 could just mean we die. If anything it could be great in the SB for grindy matches. It's a cool card but there's a reason it's not really played.

    I actually don't think the mana is that bad or greedy. Sure, you will have games where you have to mull due to the colorless lands but that's the price you pay for a colored eldrazi deck. That being said, we have blooming marsh, llanowar wastes and twilight mires. I will concede if you are playing a more green heavy list it will be much harder than a more black list as urborg is amazing. I've been loving the 1 of cavern and still highly considering a second. Naming goyf or scooze is still legitimate but not being able to cast spells off it is still a real thing. If I find GQs aren't super needed or there's too many blue decks in my meta I'll do a 2/2 split of cavern and gq.

    For a while I toyed around with nobles and birds in my list. I forget why I cut them. t2 lili and a much higher chance of t2 eldrazi can make the difference in a lot of matches. I think it was mostly birds don't do much outside being explosive where as noble has utility but her fixing is bad. Could still be worth revisiting.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    finally the set release events are over and it's back to modern!


    r1 burn
    g1 we both flood ridiculously hard but he ends up getting there. g2 and 3 were similar for me, lots of discard and quick hard beats and not much he could do. I think I may need another lifegain card of somekind I felt slightly lucky he just didn't have nut hands. I only drew 1 brutality in the match and was g3. it was obviously awesome. I love when burn boards in cards like path. I see it all the time and since I don't play burn it seems weird to me but what do I know.
    1-0

    r2 jeskai nahiri
    g1 eventually nahiri gets resolved and I can't get through to kill her. emrakul puts me to 1 and I have a couple lands but can't assemble anything before he finds a snapcaster. g2 I get cavern of souls out and crush him. g3 i get some early interaction and he lands a geist which i untap and land liliana (haha) and deal with that. from there i just fit perfectly into the curves and manage to always kill the nahiri when it's played, and that was that.
    2-0

    r3 elves
    g1 i have double temple but and land t2 goyf, t3 smasher, t4 smasher and get there. g2 i have a sketchy mana base but potentially a solid hand. I have night of soul's betrayal and flaying tendrils but only 1 black source and 2 colorless. thankfully he doesn't do much t1 and 2. and my t3 I play GQ and kill my temple to get green to play oath of nissa hoping to dig for a black source. I get there. from here he needs to not find a lord. so his turn he cocos and hits 2 mana dorks and hits me for 11. I untap and flaying tendrils like 9-10 guys lol. from there it's night of souls btrayal, into both lilianas. felt so good.
    3-0

    r4 bant value evolution
    these were more fun of games than anything. g1 he goes huge early with a lotus cobra and gets suntitan out on his t3, my t2, and then phantasmal image the titan again and has this ridiculous board. i lose lol. g2-3-4 all go my way very very easily. with cage and other hate cards there's not much he can do outside hope to essentially get nut draws like he did game 1. he didn't and honestly the games were pretty easy. kinda drives home the point i may need somehting in the board for big creatures or permanents. maybe another pulse or a murderous cut or something. I suppose even a slaughter pact could be solid too.
    4-0

    All in all a great night. deck played well I didn't make many mistakes, and played well against elves. I played to my outs and got rewarded. Nothing new with the deck other than playing a fun of bitterblossom as my 61st. I'm going to cut it I feel like if I want to play that card it should be as a 2 of, which could very well be good in the deck. If they weren't 30 I would try that. Maybe I can borrow one to test. Going to cut rhonas in the sb too I think. I never really had the chance to play him and I think he may be win more. Trample is relevant in many board states but I picked up my second foil lili last hope as my prize and given new rules change gonna put her in the sb. I did have a couple games were both lilis were out and let me tell you that feels super good. I don't think it's right to run 2 last hope main though. Some matches she bad.

    I love this deck Smile
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    nice writeup it was informative! I'm not sure how much I like stirrings in your list to be honest. The likely hood of hitting a threat is actually pretty low with only 8 hits. Obviously it hits lands but a serious question as I don't play them is how often are you using stirrings to just find a land? I think I would try 3 stirrings 3 oath. Likely, won't make too much a difference but maybe switching the numbers around could prove a higher yield for you. I like the consideration of a full 8 cantrips. I have no idea if it's good but could be interesting as how much of the disruption/removal do you need vs making sure you can find your threats.

    As for my testing I'm cutting a land and adding in Rhonas main. I have been testing him and he's pretty bonkers in fair matches which is majority of my meta. I had a nut draw of t1 discard, t2 reshaper, t3 rhonas, swing, t4 smasher and swing for 13 lol. I understand that card is swingy so I'll test him out but I cna see it just being too cute but giving guys trample would have won me a lot of games.

    My second thing to test is 2 bitterblossom. I think would give me some extra reach. some decks can just lose to a t2 bitterblossom followed by disruption. Plus who doesn't want to live the dream of an 8/9 goyf. I dont think either of these choices are slam dunks. Most likely to try first and foremost is 5 lili main. I want to flip lilis and get the best chance of both online come the new rules change. Since I only have 1 i'll start 4/1. I dont think 6 lilis is right though unless you dump the reshaper.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    oath's second ability doesn't come up too often to be honest. hitting BB isn't too hard but i did also add an urborg. Still though, when it's good it's good even if it only happens once in say 5 matches.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Interesting abzan eldrazi list from the last SCG modrn classic. Couple weird card choices but I think I can make sense of them. Biggest being the talisman of unity. I'm assuming the person wants 6 ramp cards and at least this way one of them get around blood moon. The lack of walkers or discard is interesting. Essentially giving up the combo match g1.

    http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=116123
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Ah to have Eye back again. I would love to go big. Alas, We lose raw power but it's not hopeless. With tweaks I think this deck can compete, it has some strong lines of play.

    I went 3-2 at fnm with essentially the same list. Maybe 1 or 2 cards different in the sideboard.
    r1 was counters company
    both games were essentially the same although was some rough beats. He essentially has the combo both games and while I'm able to strip the vizier he either find another or coco's a bunch of times. g2 I had an opener of reshaper, smasher, 2 temple and thoughtseize, 1 marsh, 1 something else. t1 I strip the vizier over coco not sure was right choice. Do i give him natural combo aka infinite mana but no payoff or take the combo and hope he coco's into nothing? I let him coco and he gets witness into a piece then coco again into the other and he has the recruiter in hand. What can you do.
    0-1

    r2 merfolk
    both of these games He gets semi mana flooded and just didn't draw much and I steam rolled him. I was kind of nervous about this match as maindeck spreading seas can be brutal. I got kinda lucky He didn't have god hands I guess.
    1-1

    r3 abzan
    These were exciting games. Very grindy and very swingy. g1 I don't really draw any big eldrazi and get out 1 for 1. g2 the opposite I have some beats into the right removal and not much he can do. g3 I keep a slow hand and went back and forth but again no real threats and lose to rhinos and liliana. I played a 4th game for fun and it was a hilarious display of what I thought playing against abzan would be. I get a good mix of removal and real threats and he sputters out fast. So went 50-50 with the deck. It sounds about right. As with all BG decks, whomever topdecks better wins.
    1-2

    r4 GR burningtree aggro
    This was a more tokens build but it can be blisteringly fast. g1 I had a discard which allowed me to be 1 turn faster. g2 I had a bunch of discard and a goyf and it was easy. Still, he could reassemble surprisingly quick. I thought they were easy but maybe I was lucky?
    2-2

    r5 UW flying tempo
    Strange deck but I could see the appeal. Lots of utility fliers. Too bad their guys are relatively weak and my guys are huge so it was hard for him to maintain tempo.
    3-2
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    The appeal for strangler is what I'm most interested in. In grindy matchups I can see value to the scourge but that card seems so slow. The great things about goyf is against decks like burn you need a cheap huge guy to stop them. That entire turn is huge and usually a 3/4 with discard Same can be said for other aggro matches. Obviously a temple means scourge is t2 also but at that point I would want a reshaper. Perhaps that's just personal preference.

    I'm currently on the matter reshaper game plan. I want to flip him into some of the best possible things I can. I'm always happy to see a goyf I doubt I would feel quite the same about a scourge. I very much adhere to DeadKitten's game plan. When I switch out of goyf it would be for a strangler and relic plan. The problem is at that point I'm not sure green adds more than white.

    I do also really like deadeye tracker. Seems excellent for fueling process. I like he can be used even with RIP in play. He's a bit slow but I may test as a 1 of or a couple in SB.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    i forgot about traverse. How has it been for you? How often do you hit delerium and when? it seems pretty unreliable
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  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    There are a couple suggestions I can make to your mana base right away. First, I really don't feel you need 6 fetches especially considering you only have 4 fetchables and you don't need 3 colors of mana. I feel like a couple could go to more ghost quarters. I run 3 and have loved it. 3 combined with 3 fulminators and a pithing needle in the SB have really helped my tron matchup. I've been debating surgicals and hoping to live the dream of destroying a tron land and then surgical.

    -6 fetches, +3-4 verdant catacombs (if possible)
    +1 llanowar wastes
    +1-2 GQ
    -1 wastes???

    I've been highly debating adding in a wastes myself but I'm still on the fence. I certainly need to pick up a twilight mire. If your meta is high on path I can certainly see wastes. Even now and then it dodging a moon seems fine but that's super unreliable as you have no way to get it. I would probably only consider cutting it if Tron is an actual player in your meta. It is in mine although I don't always play it but there is at least 1 person that always plays it. If blood moon is high in your meta certainly keep wastes but I think it could easily become a GQ.

    As a small aside, I've been loving lost legacy in SB. It comes in during hard matches like combo and shift based decks that are just so hard for us. It has applications vs tron as well where a lot of our cards are suboptimal. Hitting an o-stone or karn or ulamog can really make all the difference. This card is a personal preference though.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    what's your list.

    Sadly yeah goyfs are king. There are some decent replacements but just never the same.
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  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    my babies! I really need to work on pimping out my manabase. Most of my main is foil or signed but my lands blech. Just need those pesky reshapers in foil to match the others
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    FNM report. I decided to pay homage to my favorite sketti overlords.



    r1 budget infect
    these games weren't even close and I felt bad. Modern is a hard format to get in to, I get it.
    1-0

    r2 affinity
    g1 he dumps his had and I manage to peel an etched champ from his hand. I repeat the process on t2 snagging another and then land lili t3 which for some reason he ignores thinking he can just race my 7/8 goyf. turns out lili ult screws him pretty bad and i easily beat him. g2 I just have the right removal, play it save and beat down. Luckily both games he never drew champion, not that I'm super afraid of that given I have eldrazi but still. never saw a plating either. without those, it was pretty easy game.
    2-0

    r3 death and taxes
    this is a great player who's been playing this deck forever. Has lots of blade splicers, finks, wisps etc. g1 we have a 30 minute match where I finally squeek it out. Mirran crusader held off a 12/12 scooze for most of the game while we both drew lands. collective brutality finished him off. g2 I get trounced pretty fast by a timely RIP. g3 we go to time but my hand was slow and with a t2 thalia slowing me down even more I struggle to catch up. I barely saw any eldrazi outside reshapers in g2 and 3 which made me super sad. I also drew a lot of lands these 3 games. Good games though.
    2-1

    r4 burn
    g1 I make a huge mistake and play a liliana hoping to snag his last card in hand instead of playing a second goyf. If I had thought about it the chances of me getting a sorcery are super low as he would have just played it. Rookie mistake. Turns out I was 1 turn behind he rips a bolt to kill me. g2 I play bunch of discard and go to town on him. He has a slow hand with path and relic which is totally ok with me. g3 he's stuck on 1 land but keeps ripping dudes and bolts. I manage to stabilize at 9 life and play scooze going up to 10 life. he has 3 bolts in hand but I have lethal attackers and he was super bottle necked by 1 land. That 1 extra life form scooze saved me lol. still. He would have killed me had I not topdecked a TKS at the perfect time. I suppose a brutality or EE would have helped as well.
    3-1

    I end in 5th missing the cut but still make some prizes and end the night with 2 promo push. Not a bad haul. Had good games and played well over all. I do enjoy this deck. I do wish there was more card advantage in it or draw or filtering. I guess this is just the problem with GB in general. Can't have everything I guess. Scooze was the MVP of the night. I barely saw smasher and TKS was fine. reshaper in my D&T matchup flipped me a lili last hope which killed 3 dudes, saved 4 life and got back the reshaper. not too shabby lol. Multiple games I had 6/7 nand 7/8 goyfs. I can't decide if I like oath or stirrings. Case can be made for both. Currently I think oath is better in my list since eldrazi are more of a splash. I haven't played this deck in a while and noticed I was flooding in quite a few games. For now I'll chalk it up to variance but could be a case to cut a land.

    Best moment of the night was when I ghost quartered his flagstones of trokair for 0 value thanks to the leonin arbiter in play. Laughs were had I felt great even though it made no difference in the game.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
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