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The Limited Archetypes of Ixalan
 
Treasure Cruisin' with Monored Burn
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Vote: Osie

    Nothing is happening. Why is the order of votes relevant here? What about the following votes made you more suspicious of Vaimes? I can't follow your logic there at all.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    @Osie can you point to the parts where I'm waffling and what you mean by why the fourth? I don't understand your question. The only one that looks a bit waffly is Blues. My reads on Rhand and Omnom are pretty firm.


    Quote from tomsloger »
    [b]Nobue_Itoh (5): Rhand, Grapefruit21, Omnomnominath, Vaimes, BluesEclipse


    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Okay, so I looked back at that wagon overnight since there is probably scum on it.

    Rhand starts it, does most of the work, and was first on the wagon. I like 79 in particular. He's one of the few people trying who is appearing to actively attempt to solve the game. Probably town.

    I join second so that's town too.

    Omnom is on third and is probably town for that claim. I can't look past that right now.

    Vaimes joins in 107 and it's a pretty flimsy vote. Vaimes hasn't done much this game. But neither has just about anyone expect Rhand and Omnom (kind of). It's a weakish vote, but I like it's tone and his admitting it's weak. Needs to do more today and needs pressure until then.


    Okay.
    Vaimes; the fourth vote.
    Most say third is scummy.
    But you veer to the fourth player.
    Dunno.

    Pressure.
    It's not quite there.
    You leave your bases free.
    Do you have no confidence, friend?
    Or what?
    mmmmmmmm

    Surely the 3rd vote isn't any scummier than the 4th? That just can' be a thing. Also the vote I'd always heard was scummy was the second and not the third. But the more important point is I see Omnom as town for his D1 claim. I just don't think that comes from new to this forum scum.

    As for the lack of pressure. Yeah, that's true, but I do lack confidence this game. We have so few posts to work with that everything feels like a hunch to me and I'm really struggling to make firm reads (minus on Rhand and Omnom who I'm pretty sure are just town). There are things that jump out, but I really like patterns of behavior to work with and there just hasn't been enough happening. It's been better toDay but it's just now starting to be an okay level of activity and one of the slots hasn't even posted toDay.

    I'm town. Rhand is probably town for the way he played D1. I liked him driving the activity and he basically single handidly made the lynch happen. Omnom is town for the above. So that means I just have to sort out you, Vaimes, Blues, and tom and first order of business is reading tom in the invitational to get a better feel for his gimmicking.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Silence of the Lambs - Game Over: Scum Win
    Anyway thought on the game, I really enjoyed this one. It was a really cool player list and despite all the replacements I felt the game stayed fun and active throughout. So thanks to everyone for that.

    On the scum side serious props to all three players. QH had me fooled for a long time and did a really good job helping get the Wheat mislynch rolling. Also would have had me fooled with the fake claim if a teammate hadn't bussed and pointed out it didn't make sense!

    Proph you replaced into a scum slot that was almost lynched and survived to end game. The way you kept challenging people to explain their scum/POE reads on you and show their reasons took guts and I think paid dividends. Also the bus between you and QH was well done and had me drinking a lot of wine over it.

    Shadow... Man... I got completely snowed. I correctly identified the dichotomy D2 and just ignored it... And I'd read and referenced Overwatch so you know, I just shouldn't have done that. I theoretically had learned that lesson, but nope. I just got in a tunnel on AG and never got out of it. Even after dying, and that let me delude myself into thinking Shadow was town. Anyway he played the neighbor chats really well and fooled me almost completely.

    On the town side it was a pleasure playing with you guys and gals. I'm sorry I was wrong about almost everything until it was too late and convincing in my wrongness...

    It was an absolute pleasure playing with you guys and I hope to again. Props to Shinichi and Terry in particular for bringing the effort. You guys put in so much work and we came so close.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Quote from Vaimes »
    shadow's the worst. How he skipped off to endgame after Shinji was lynched, I don't even know.

    Anyways.

    Honestly, I would not all be shocked if tom and osie were the exact scumteam. "hey osie thanks for being my new partner, let's gimmick together, town will think we're unaligned but mostly it'll just be funny"

    Don't really get osie's progression on...anything, tbh.

    I feel better about tom despite his gimmicks when it feels like he cares about the game and isn't just trying to be Seen Doing Things. Like when he was the spider in the Invitational. That, or when it feels like people are ganging up on him, I'm like, okay tom is probably town. But here I don't really feel anything one way or the other so vOv lock him up at some point.

    Yeah, pretty sure that Shadow coasting through was my fault... The whole never before final 3 thing was bad... I'm bad, games are hard...

    Back to this game Osie coming and gimmicking with their partner is meh. I see it as totally NAI that they picked up a gimmick tbh. But I agree on them not making sense, their first order of business is to say you and Rhand are town and then change you because votes???

    And thanks for clarifying on tom that makes a lot of sense. Going to reread him later with that in mind. And check out the invitational. I don't think I ever read that one.

    Unvote
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  • posted a message on Silence of the Lambs - Game Over: Scum Win
    Quote from Voxxicus »
    Man.

    I've read literally none of this game, but you guys let Proph win as a wolf?

    Shame upon you and your families.

    (Congrats to wolf team etc etc)
    m
    Let him win as a wolf when he replaced into a scummy slot that was one vote away from being lynched D1... Great shame indeed.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Silence of the Lambs - Game Over: Scum Win
    Reading the scum chat is delighful. You guys worked so hard and earned this. Haven't finished yet but I love this quote from Proph
    Quote from Proph »
    either way i think that Day went really well
    everyone hates each other
    JT is off in his own little conspiracy world
    Vaimes is disengaged, but has a shot at solving entire game
    Grape is distracted by Shinichi


    Just about sums it up...
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Man, I'm kind of miffed at losing Silence of the Lambs. How do I read people.

    At least you didn't get completely snowed by Shadow across multiple neighbor chats...
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Blues and Grape can't be scum together because he keeps calling her "him." Right? Right?

    Also because they both voted me back to back, but eh.

    Huh... Sorry @Blues. I'll start using appropriate pronouns now.

    Also what do you make of Osie so far? I suspect someone who wasn't really playing on D1 is scum. And I find myself liking them today, but I am paranoid that's just because this game is so starved for content. Their progression on your slot is very strange in 139.

    Also I want your opinion on tom with the perspective of having played with him using gimmicks before. I think the only good feelings I have towards his slot are derived from the fact that it's a gimmick and not his content. And rereading him I still don't see what he was pointing to in standing against the Nobue lynch.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Silence of the Lambs - Game Over: Scum Win
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    So regarding the game break with Grapefruit, I tried to handle it in a professional but also townie way. If I had just idled by and let grapefruit take heat when I would have known him to be town, it would have looked really bad for me. I hope no one thinks I tried to abuse the situation, and I truly apologize if you feel I did. I didn't share my info with my scum buddies.

    I want to add on that I'm really sorry that it happened at all, and when I realized what I did I pushed for Cantrip to review and decide if he should mod kill my slot. I feel really awful about the whole situation because I value game integrity highly and am frustrated that I broke one of the keys rules that makes mafia work. I'll have thoughts on the game itself later, but I feel horrible that I broke a cardinal rule and am relieved the scum team won as a result.

    And I think Shadow handled it as well as could be handled. It was a horrible spot to be put into and I'm sorry to everyone.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Silence of the Lambs - Game Over: Scum Win
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    So regarding the game break with Grapefruit, I tried to handle it in a professional but also townie way. If I had just idled by and let grapefruit take heat when I would have known him to be town, it would have looked really bad for me. I hope no one thinks I tried to abuse the situation, and I truly apologize if you feel I did. I didn't share my info with my scum buddies.

    I want to add on that I'm really sorry that it happened at all, and when I realized what I did I pushed for Cantrip to review and decide if he should mod kill my slot. I feel really awful about the whole situation because I value game integrity highly and am frustrated that I broke one of the keys rules that makes mafia work. I'll have thoughts on the game itself later, but I feel horrible that I broke a cardinal rule and am relieved the scum team won as a result.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Been busy the past few days, will try to get caught up properly soon.

    In the meantime Blues you think I'm scum because I'm (from your POV) correctly reading you and defending you. I don't get why starting a random off wagon (voting Arcwind) when I don't like the wagon on you is alarming to you. I am town reading Rhand this game and know he's a better player than I am so I'm not sure why it's a surprise that I'm following his reads a bit.

    And yes I'm giving Omnom a free pass. I think that play is overwhelmingly likely to come from town. I'm not seeing you scum reading him, or pretty much anyone but Osie scum reading him at this stage and pretty much have him as lock town.

    @Vaimes To not have scum on the wagon it would have to be exactly tom and Osie together and meh. I don't see it. Tom's likely town and Osie is pretty null till I properly read his entrance, which I've only skimmed to answer the question below.

    @Osie can you point to the parts where I'm waffling and what you mean by why the fourth? I don't understand your question. The only one that looks a bit waffly is Blues. My reads on Rhand and Omnom are pretty firm.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Okay, so I looked back at that wagon overnight since there is probably scum on it.

    Rhand starts it, does most of the work, and was first on the wagon. I like 79 in particular. He's one of the few people trying who is appearing to actively attempt to solve the game. Probably town.

    I join second so that's town too.

    Omnom is on third and is probably town for that claim. I can't look past that right now.

    Vaimes joins in 107 and it's a pretty flimsy vote. Vaimes hasn't done much this game. But neither has just about anyone expect Rhand and Omnom (kind of). It's a weakish vote, but I like it's tone and his admitting it's weak. Needs to do more today and needs pressure until then.

    Blues is the hammer and I like him for that (it's bold to hammer when you're already getting pressure) and feels a bit TSTBS. I hate TSTBS in general, but I just like the confidence Blues had there.

    Vote: Vaimes If you're so worried about nothing happening why aren't you making it happen? Who is most likely scum on the wagon? Where are you at on Omnom?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Quote from Vaimes »

    Aside from that, everything in this game besides Omnom's claim is forgettable. Literally everything.

    This is true.

    What do you make of Tom's play despite the gimmick? You were in the alara game with him so you might have a better prospective, but I'm not really getting any town feelings from him right now. And his sitting on Blues is weirding me out.
    Which alara game?

    Sorry that was not specific, I call it the alara game in my head for tom speaking entirely in flavor text. I'm not sure why and forgot about ongoing games with similar names. I meant the cult one you were in.
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  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Quote from Vaimes »

    Aside from that, everything in this game besides Omnom's claim is forgettable. Literally everything.

    This is true.

    What do you make of Tom's play despite the gimmick? You were in the alara game with him so you might have a better prospective, but I'm not really getting any town feelings from him right now. And his sitting on Blues is weirding me out.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Off the Grid III - Night 2
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Where is this level of certainty on one person not playing the game vs all of the others not playing the game coming from?
    Posted in: Mafia
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