Good evening again my fellow Phyrexians/Mirrans. So I read the article below a couple of weeks ago and thought I'd try something similar to Andrew Dang's list. Started putting it together today and I noticed Curse of Stalked Prey in my binder. Has anyone been crazy enough to try this thing as a SB option against anything where we anticipate Stony Silence; and what do you guys think about doing this? I'm tempted on the basis that it could do a Steel Overseer impression and grow our fliers
Curse sounds like something. It gives the army a direct boost and is harder to remove. Can be a better topdeck than Overseer in some cases. Might be better in a Frogmite build and combined with driven // despair. Only problem is you need to connect for the counter.
Then again, it is not an artifact tho and we need a critical mass.
Don't think it's an anti-stony silence tech, since shutting down our mana has been a far worse problem than shutting down an Overseer ability.
I meant to try one out in my sb at the last fnm and accidentally mixed a spare copy in with the rest of my deck at my last fnm. So ended up playing affinity with 61 cards mainboard... While I loved Andrew Dang's list, curse underperformed and I was mostly disappointed to see it. Cast it once and it seemed a little too slow for the rest of the deck. I would like to try it in gobots next but I like the idea of having it with frogmite snd driven//despair. I might just try that next Thanks for the feedback and the advice!
Thunderous Wrath is bad in 60 card. Ive tried it. The risk of drawing it in our opening 7 is too high and means a mulligan. Also when on the draw, your opponent passes and u draw TW with no lands in play.
These 2 scenarios makes TW unplayable. In duelcommander, TW is amazing. In duelcommander i play Pyrokenessis and Cave-In makes TW even better. Modern has no "pitch cards"
I hadn't considered the second scenario which is a heavy nail in the coffin. Thanks for the forewarning
Good evening again my fellow Phyrexians/Mirrans. So I read the article below a couple of weeks ago and thought I'd try something similar to Andrew Dang's list. Started putting it together today and I noticed Curse of Stalked Prey in my binder. Has anyone been crazy enough to try this thing as a SB option against anything where we anticipate Stony Silence; and what do you guys think about doing this? I'm tempted on the basis that it could do a Steel Overseer impression and grow our fliers
Had some practice games against a mate with Lantern - overseers are good, you just dont want to activate them unless it gives you lethal. Master of etherium and etched champion come out
Thanks for this I'll be keeping them in against Lantern too
How oh how are we supposed to play against jeskai decks? Ingot absolutely murdered by a nahiti harbinger deck yesterday. Everything I played was either electrolyzed, bolted, pathed or countered
And what's the best way to side for the mirror?
I hate this deck too. I've found Chalice of the Void (turns off stupid 1cmc removal suite and serum visions), Etched Champion and Ghirapur Aethergrid to be amazing. I generally take out Signal Pest and shave away at the Steel Overseers for 3 Chalices, 1 Ghirapur Aether Grid, 1 Master of Etherium and 1 Etched Campion. I run a 2/2 split mb and 1/1 split SB with Etched Champion and Master of Etherium. Nahiri's second mode is a problem though.
Someone on this thread (can't remember the username offhand, sorry) gave me some invaluable advice with this match-up: don't rush to play your hand and try to play etched champion when the coast is clear - like if they're tapped out, etc. Also, once you've resolved Etched Champion, don't attack with him alone in case they have Blessed Alliance as an answer.
Xplore1, let's not get too emotionally invested in this. At the very least, the shrines are an interesting possibility that can be tested. What may be optimal for one player isn't necessarily "optimal" for others. Preferences play a part in one's experiences and competencies as well, what's important is that players are comfortable with the tools they're using. It's currently moot arguing vehemently about the shrine card. Better to try it and see if you prefer it over other possibilities and if it works for you and then, if it does, so what if others don't like the suggestion.
How does chalice help for the living end? they just cycle everything then cascade into Living end. Maybe it is just bad luck, I board all that end but somehow they pull out the win. I have played the for awhile number probably 6-7 FNM's usually 3-1 with it every time, but usually my loss is too those decks. I was just saying from my experience, I have yet to go 4-0 with it. I play at a super competitive FNM, its actually the biggest one in north america and I have heard it may be biggest in the world.
Hey Fnc, chalice on 0 counters Living End when they cascade into it because the cascade ruling says they get to cast the card they cascade into without paying the mana cost and LE doesn't have a CMC (counts as 0). Hope this helps.
I'm in the process of building this deck, any ideas or avenues I should consider? I like the idea of Blight Herder instead of Smasher in the deck, but how good is it? Is it too cute? Also, how good is Sorin Solemn Visitor in this?
Anyway lists welcome.
Thanks.
I personally find processing 2 cards a bit tough 60% of the time and lean toward not wanting to cast them until I can process (which is dumb, I know). I'm also of the impression that they soften us to boardwipes. Personally prefer Smasher because the trample, haste and self-protection clauses are very relevant. However, a lot of the more seasoned Processor veterans have been reporting success with Herder. For instance, Ride The Iguana has been rocking the Herders and pretty much smashing bacon with them from what I can tell. Also there is no harm in picking up both herder and smasher and developing something of an eldrazi toolkit of options to choose from. Herder was what made me want to play the deck in the first place, loved the idea and it was easier to acquire than Reality Smasher at the time (so it's also a great way to help budget into the deck).
You'll undoubtedly get responses from some of the guys and gals more qualified to process you through the BW bootcamp, but I hope you find this a little tidbit helpful in the interim. Good luck! You've made an excellent choice in picking a deck to build!
Thanks for the feedback Deadrift I'm not playing sculler and haven't been impressed with it either. I'm not saying it's a bad card, it just hasn't worked for me in my previous lists. But I do want to test Eldrazi Displacer at some point so I'll probably try it again. `Will take your advice to heart on running more duals if I do. I'm still testing Gemstone caverns so not too sure about that one either. Will be buying another Sorin shortly XD. I'm intrigued by Eternal Scourge. I desperately want scourge to work in this deck, lol. Although I've only ever run it as a singleton so far. Yolo, I'm taking three to my next fnm
From what I recall, Joe Soh's deck is an adaption of BR processor which doesn't have access to shambling vent so it tends to run mutavault instead. He was very likely already working with Mutavault and this may help explain why he ran the 4 Mutavaults (assuming he hasn't been paying much attention to this thread, if any). Shambling vent may have never occurred to him.
Personally, I've been finding shambling vent to be slow (I hate that it enters tapped) and sometimes a little awkward as the activation cost is pretty steep. So I'm considering replacing my two copies for 2 Mutavault and then this is what my manabase will look like afterward:
So is this a trap and will I come out from it with a feeling of having been violated by tentacles; or is that how my opponents will feel?
On another note, an interesting question was raised a few pages back on the thread: can we cut mindstone. I recall someone describing it as a 3 mana cycler. What is the consensus on this point? I've played about 4 games against blood moon at my local store and was able to fight through it and win 3 of them thanks to this card. It also seems to increase our chances of t3 TKS which seems to be where we want to play TKS.
I've taken advice from Herfs and Zirzhas on acquiring Marsh Flats for my version. Halfway there but would like to confirm the purpose they serve in the deck; is it primarily mana-fixing or is there a deck-thinnning argument to consider here. I keep considering the blood moon scenario and I'm concerned 3 fetches aren't enough to mana-fix prior to a blood moon resolving and I have these nagging thoughts about basic lands being better draws while we're in the red-light district. This is obviously coming from someone who hasn't yet played marsh flats in the deck. So another question I need to ask my esteemed mentors from the salvation army is whether the choice to run marsh flats is even made with blood moon in mind or not. I am fixated on blood moon because we are a 3-colour deck and I'm terrified of it, lol.
I've also managed to acquire a Sorin, Solemn Visitor, which I've enjoyed running in the deck with lingering souls. But I've been paying attention to Eldrazi Tron lists and was wondering if running 1-2 basilisk collar for the lifegain might be more efficient? Obviously, Sorin has the +1/0 clause and more modes which can be very relevant and Tron runs them not only for life-gain but for synergy with Walking Ballista as well.
Appreciate all your previous responses and would love an opinion on this stuff before I start cooking recklessly with lots of spice, lol.
I meant to try one out in my sb at the last fnm and accidentally mixed a spare copy in with the rest of my deck at my last fnm. So ended up playing affinity with 61 cards mainboard... While I loved Andrew Dang's list, curse underperformed and I was mostly disappointed to see it. Cast it once and it seemed a little too slow for the rest of the deck. I would like to try it in gobots next but I like the idea of having it with frogmite snd driven//despair. I might just try that next
I hadn't considered the second scenario which is a heavy nail in the coffin. Thanks for the forewarning
Thanks man, I picked one up but something instinctively prevented me from using it. Needed the clarification.
Good evening again my fellow Phyrexians/Mirrans. So I read the article below a couple of weeks ago and thought I'd try something similar to Andrew Dang's list. Started putting it together today and I noticed Curse of Stalked Prey in my binder. Has anyone been crazy enough to try this thing as a SB option against anything where we anticipate Stony Silence; and what do you guys think about doing this? I'm tempted on the basis that it could do a Steel Overseer impression and grow our fliers
http://modernnexus.com/affinity-couriers-gp-las-vegas-report/
Thanks for this
I hate this deck too. I've found Chalice of the Void (turns off stupid 1cmc removal suite and serum visions), Etched Champion and Ghirapur Aethergrid to be amazing. I generally take out Signal Pest and shave away at the Steel Overseers for 3 Chalices, 1 Ghirapur Aether Grid, 1 Master of Etherium and 1 Etched Campion. I run a 2/2 split mb and 1/1 split SB with Etched Champion and Master of Etherium. Nahiri's second mode is a problem though.
Someone on this thread (can't remember the username offhand, sorry) gave me some invaluable advice with this match-up: don't rush to play your hand and try to play etched champion when the coast is clear - like if they're tapped out, etc. Also, once you've resolved Etched Champion, don't attack with him alone in case they have Blessed Alliance as an answer.
Maybe try boarding out Overseers for Grudges and in addition to the dive and tackle advice?
Hey Fnc, chalice on 0 counters Living End when they cascade into it because the cascade ruling says they get to cast the card they cascade into without paying the mana cost and LE doesn't have a CMC (counts as 0). Hope this helps.
I personally find processing 2 cards a bit tough 60% of the time and lean toward not wanting to cast them until I can process (which is dumb, I know). I'm also of the impression that they soften us to boardwipes. Personally prefer Smasher because the trample, haste and self-protection clauses are very relevant. However, a lot of the more seasoned Processor veterans have been reporting success with Herder. For instance, Ride The Iguana has been rocking the Herders and pretty much smashing bacon with them from what I can tell. Also there is no harm in picking up both herder and smasher and developing something of an eldrazi toolkit of options to choose from. Herder was what made me want to play the deck in the first place, loved the idea and it was easier to acquire than Reality Smasher at the time (so it's also a great way to help budget into the deck).
You'll undoubtedly get responses from some of the guys and gals more qualified to process you through the BW bootcamp, but I hope you find this a little tidbit helpful in the interim. Good luck! You've made an excellent choice in picking a deck to build!
Personally, I've been finding shambling vent to be slow (I hate that it enters tapped) and sometimes a little awkward as the activation cost is pretty steep. So I'm considering replacing my two copies for 2 Mutavault and then this is what my manabase will look like afterward:
So is this a trap and will I come out from it with a feeling of having been violated by tentacles; or is that how my opponents will feel?
On another note, an interesting question was raised a few pages back on the thread: can we cut mindstone. I recall someone describing it as a 3 mana cycler. What is the consensus on this point? I've played about 4 games against blood moon at my local store and was able to fight through it and win 3 of them thanks to this card. It also seems to increase our chances of t3 TKS which seems to be where we want to play TKS.
I've taken advice from Herfs and Zirzhas on acquiring Marsh Flats for my version. Halfway there but would like to confirm the purpose they serve in the deck; is it primarily mana-fixing or is there a deck-thinnning argument to consider here. I keep considering the blood moon scenario and I'm concerned 3 fetches aren't enough to mana-fix prior to a blood moon resolving and I have these nagging thoughts about basic lands being better draws while we're in the red-light district. This is obviously coming from someone who hasn't yet played marsh flats in the deck. So another question I need to ask my esteemed mentors from the salvation army is whether the choice to run marsh flats is even made with blood moon in mind or not. I am fixated on blood moon because we are a 3-colour deck and I'm terrified of it, lol.
I've also managed to acquire a Sorin, Solemn Visitor, which I've enjoyed running in the deck with lingering souls. But I've been paying attention to Eldrazi Tron lists and was wondering if running 1-2 basilisk collar for the lifegain might be more efficient? Obviously, Sorin has the +1/0 clause and more modes which can be very relevant and Tron runs them not only for life-gain but for synergy with Walking Ballista as well.
Appreciate all your previous responses and would love an opinion on this stuff before I start cooking recklessly with lots of spice, lol.