MTG Salvation

OH MY

The very thing I need to make my Atogatog tribal deck finally click. Watch out, jank tank.

"Welp, you wanted a WBG elf, a WB rebel, a GUB faerie, and so on. Here you go."

Do you think there's any merit in WR Rebels with the shopping and Mana Echoes? Stupid Frontline Rebel and Quicksmith Rebel inexplicably not being rebels.

Or BR Mercenaries for Mana Echoes and I guess there's a handful of actual red mercenaries. Soldier of Fortune, a few others that honestly suck.

I bet there's a lazier Mana Echoes combo out there but its just exactly what Rebels and Mercenaries need to go officially nuts.

AMAZING commander card

With Fist of Suns, everything of the chosen type costs 0?

That's disgusting and I love it.

i must have

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With Fist of Suns, everything of the chosen type costs 0?

confirmed - Jodah, Archmage Eternal also works

Snap judgement but this feels like it could be the best WUBRG commander ever? Almost every other one feels like it forces you into playing all five colors. This one? Just pick a tribe and go to town. You could build an elf deck with this guy, make your land base mono green and still get away with including a bunch of off-color elves. You have some tribe you love but it's too limited in colors for the way you like to play? Splash whatever the heck you feel like. Vampires with access to blue card draw? Sure, there's some dimir vampires you can get in there too now for pretty much the first time.

I feel like the only thing this guy does is let you avoid a needless rule about color identity, and if there was any appeal to the deck types this guy would allow it would be better to have a movement to change the rules for the format.

More importantly, if you're willing to accept that you aren't having a commander who will effect the board state significantly when cast, you may as well just use a commander with an effect from the command zone and admit you won't ever cast it.

Dude, I think that you’re missing the point being made here.

With Morophon, I can run an angel deck that splashes a bunch of multicolor angels but has only plains as lands. I could splash non-black zombies into my zombie deck and maintain a mono-black mana base. The list goes on.

While Ramos and the line can certainly let you fit in any weird combination of colors for a creature type that lacks a commander, only Morophon let’s you splash in off-color tribal pieces without disturbing your mana base. That’s a sort of significant thing.

If you decided you wanted to play tribal and wanted a color combination that doesn't exist, then this allows that. So does just making your commander Progenitus and ignoring your inability to cast it.

If you wanted to do white/red goblin commander and notice there wasn't a legendary goblin in those colors then sure, use this guy. You might cast him at some point, and the +1/+1 should help the pile of tokens one assumes you're making. But at the same time, you could just as fairly make your commander The Ur-Dragon and throw in some changeling spells like Crib Swap or Taurean Mauler (which are both mighty fine goblin spells) and I think that's a better way to play WR goblin commander than this guy.

You can probably casually add him to any tribal decks you already have on the "meh why not" principle but he's not earth-shaking.

So I did some crunching on Gatherer, the lists below represent all creature types which individually contain at least 20 creatures which are multicolor and would get at least two discounted mana cost per card. The other limitations I used excluded about three groups on each list, because they met the 20 minimum but with cards that have duplicate colored mana symbols beyond what could be discounted. I also excluded gods, because they are so evenly split above and below the line and also because they are so individually thematic and would not present an amazing opportunity to make a cohesive deck. I determined 20 to be the threshold for minimum multi-color creatures by factoring the available changelings and another cycle being added presumably during Modern Horizons, as well as select mono-color additions assuming you are playing the commander this seems to be the minimum amount that would truly take advantage. Of course the addition of Jodah/FoS would make many of the more expensive tribes (Giants, Angels, Demons, etc.) more sensible. While this is obviously a tribal card, I think it would most likely benefit from an approach that uses the changeling options currently in existence and new for this set to support a smaller group of select creatures for synergy. Also the creature class types (Cleric, Shaman, Soldier, Warrior, and Wizard) seem to have the widest support other than human.

CMC<=3
Cleric
Human
Merfolk
Shaman
Soldier
Warrior
Wizard
Zombie

CMC>=4
Angel
Beast
Cleric
Dragon
Human
Shaman
Soldier
Warrior
Wizard
Zombie

Further I think this will ultimately feel underwhelming for decks that try to jam tribal in the hopes of getting Jodah/FoS for free creatures all the time, there are so many ways to produce all of the generic you could possibly need. I think Morophon makes more sense to play in the 99 of another tribal general or to leverage the multicolor list above so that each time you cast him you can get a few multicolor creatures cheated in and capitalize on tribe synergies. Honestly I think this would make an awesome alternative to Varina for Zombie tribal, but I think it will most likely land in the 99 as an alternate for Ramos for me. Ramos into Morophon into 3 multicolor creatures then you have Ramos primed to pay for any kind rebuttal you may need to make.

"I name Slivers. Cast The First Sliver for 0?" "FFFFFFFFFFFFFF"

Fist of Suns? Nah, that's not necessary. Think about it this way: Once you're at 7 mana, Morophon turns The First Sliver into a free 7/7 with a cascade into any 4-or-less-mana spell, and once you get that down any sliver like Cloudshredder Sliver or Darkheart Sliver gets to cascade for free into, I don't know, Ancestral Vision? Wheel of Fate? My point is that if you can stick those two, you'll practically never run out of creatures or cards in hand.

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"I name Slivers. Cast The First Sliver for 0?" "FFFFFFFFFFFFFF"

If you are using Gemhide Sliver does the 10 mana invested into the 2 card combo to reduce the costs of slivers even matter? What else are you planning on doing with your mana at that absurd point in the game anyway?

Also lets say you think Morphon is worth using. Why bother with Fist of Suns? Why not pay 2 or 3 for your average sliver and still 0 for the 5 color legends? The only sliver that the amount of mana to cast him would be significantly reduced by adding fist of sons to this combo is the Morphon that's already on the battlefield for that combo to work.