Thinking about fake chicken patties and, even worse, fake turkey, makes me happy that I eat meat. I've had tofu before, and it was terrible. Completely disgusting. I can't imagine that it is somehow miraculously better if it's 'turkey tofu'.
There are so many different types of meat that I like that the idea of being a vegetarian is inconceivable to me. And honestly, while I can't imagine ever being able to make a factual determination of this(lack of funding, etc), I have long had the suspicion that it is a chemical imbalance in people's brains that cause them to not want to eat meat. For example, you would probably be surprised if you looked up the # of reported cases of manic depression(bi-polar disorder) and how many of them are vegetarian/vegan. The ratio is much, much higher than it is among the general population.
Thinking about fake chicken patties and, even worse, fake turkey, makes me happy that I eat meat. I've had tofu before, and it was terrible. Completely disgusting. I can't imagine that it is somehow miraculously better if it's 'turkey tofu'.
I've made mock meat dishes, taken them to a Thanksgiving dinner with a large number of omni friends, and they were far more popular than the turkey. Yes, tofu tastes like **** if you don't know how to prepare it properly. Come over to my place sometime and I'll have you eating things you would never know here made with tofu unless I told you they were.
For example, you would probably be surprised if you looked up the # of reported cases of manic depression(bi-polar disorder) and how many of them are vegetarian/vegan. The ratio is much, much higher than it is among the general population.
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Well, it's common enough for new vego to not realize you need to find a source of B vitamins or yes, you suffer from depression, as does anyone not getting their B vitamins. As for tossing statistics out there, whatever. Post proof or retract
Saying you've eaten tofu is totally vague. If you mean the flavourless white stuff with creamy or crumbly texture - good on you, you may like to try wood chips too. Seriously, it needs to be flavoured + textured, at which point it can taste or look like anything.
Well, it's common enough for new vego to not realize you need to find a source of B vitamins or yes, you suffer from depression, as does anyone not getting their B vitamins. As for tossing statistics out there, whatever. Post proof or retract
Saying you've eaten tofu is totally vague. If you mean the flavourless white stuff with creamy or crumbly texture - good on you, you may like to try wood chips too. Seriously, it needs to be flavoured + textured, at which point it can taste or look like anything.
Word. Although I'll caveat that the only vitamin or mineral that's not readily found in a vegan diet is B12 (due to current farming methods) and that a vegetarian diet easily has everything anyone needs to live. And B12 is found in abundance in plant milks, vitamins, and nutritional yeast. Anyone who knows about it should have no problems getting enough.
I'd like to add to Brian's comment that having plain, raw tofu is like eating a spoonful of flour. Both are ingredients that need to be properly prepared before they can turn into a delicious cake, not eaten plain.
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I'm confused. Is the homework about cataloging and thus dry? Is it homework about cataloging of the dry variety? If so, what is dry cataloging? If the first option, what on earth class gives you homework about generic cataloging?
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Ahhh. . . I wish it was even worth following up on. I'll let you in on a secret though - one of my textbooks has a silhouette of a desktop pc with a floppy disc being inserted >_<
It's not terrible, I mean, I am interested in this stuff (or why would I even looked at being a librarian ), but it is about as exciting as you'd expect it to be. It's very difficult not to find reasons to be distracted.
Not just a degree, but a special degree in library science. And you won't move up easily unless you get your masters. Many of my closest friends are librarians, so I know this well. I still don't really understand why it's this way though.
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Well, it's common enough for new vego to not realize you need to find a source of B vitamins or yes, you suffer from depression, as does anyone not getting their B vitamins. As for tossing statistics out there, whatever. Post proof or retract
Bah! There are plenty of Omnivores and carnivores out there who don't know good diet worth spit. High fat high cholesterol diets writhe with fast food and soda and what happens....America is obese with epidemic cases of diebeties. It's gotten so bad that the government is proposing taxes on fatty foods and sodas to supliment health care...cause poor health choices drive up the costs and the average American doesn't care enough to do anything.
Course I'm not one who should talk. My diet is pure preservatives, dash of carbs, and dust. How else can they make ramen noodles for 10 cents if it wasn't mostly preservatives and dust? Plus I like adding salt to my noodles.
Knees are shot. Went data collecting and after a few back and fourths on steep terrain my knees are aching like they were a few months back. Means they ain't healed and probably worse for the wear.
On the plus side I now have a new axe and bowsaw. Kickass axe too, indestructable handle and solid head...made by the folks who make gerbers it is....I'm such a gear head.:facepalm:
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I can't believe you need a degree to be a librarian. I'm sorry, but that is 'epic lulz'. How hard can it be to put books on a shelf. 'Library Science'....pffft.
If you didn't need a degree for a dumb job like that, then having a degree would mean so much more than it does.
Like you ever read a book, Cyan, much less went into a library
Shelving is the bottom of the totem pole there, + guess what? If you **** up the shelving, the whole point of a library is out the window 'cos nobody can find anything.
Cataloging has its own entire syntax. So yeah, you need to learn the language to do it right, or hey! Nobody can find anything.
Also, libraries aren't just shelves of books anymore. There's a whole internet of databases full of information that are severely complex to find, much less find things in. + I'm not talking Google.
Now start in with copyright law, which any decent librarian needs to know up + down.
This doesn't even start in with the fact that libraries are basically businesses, so you need to have a head for money + staff if you're ever going to head up a library.
How about a law library or State archives? Yeah, total no brainer stuff.
Sometimes I wonder if you think before you post, Nick.
I learned how books were shelved in second grade. While I understand you needing a degree to be in charge of an archives, I fail to see why Library Science is a major.
Also I'm drunk. Whatever.
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Do you know how many phenomenal discoveries are made in libraries? I'm not talking local townie libraries with the old lady that shushes you...which seems to be what you and nick are thinking of. (Course if that's what ria's talking about then by all means enjoy being an old lady shushing folks...lots of worse jobs out there. :p) But yeah...every now and then there's also great historical documents and writting's uncovered. Paleontologist archives have loads of new discoveries as do archeological...but I'm not sure ria's into the bone collecting...though he does still seem to have that rat. Plus You know the Arc of the covenant and a cryogenic military personnel are archived in a big warehouse somewhere. So there's a lot more to it than just filing books.
The worst part of all this is that there's too much information stored in places and not enough people looking through them and keeping track of them. Many places get fed up with the clutter and just throw things out.
I'm not sure if I hit the nail exactly on the head here. Ria could fill ya in better.
As far as epic lulz qualifications go...I once applied for a dish washing job that wanted 7 years experience. I told them I knew how to wash dishes and had a B.S. Degree....but wasn't good enough for them. Maybe they'll accept me with a Masters?
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Sorry if I snapped a bit. Wading through piles of homework to be told that my studies are lol-worthy kind of set me off
In other news, we pulled 1st place in the Clan Contest! Good work guys, I think we really pulled together a creative entry. Original entries went a long way with the number of internet entries, but we seem to have pulled the Creative vote too. Let's keep it up, we may have a shot at Clan of the Year. . .
Course I'm not one who should talk. My diet is pure preservatives, dash of carbs, and dust. How else can they make ramen noodles for 10 cents if it wasn't mostly preservatives and dust? Plus I like adding salt to my noodles.
As far as epic lulz qualifications go...I once applied for a dish washing job that wanted 7 years experience. I told them I knew how to wash dishes and had a B.S. Degree....but wasn't good enough for them. Maybe they'll accept me with a Masters?
That's the way the economy is now. Why bother training someone in how to do a job (even if it's easy to learn) when in the 100 applications you're going to get, you're sure to find someone else who needs no training and has far better efficiency at the job. Though on a side note, if I ever had 7 years experience washing dishes, AND I was looking for ANOTHER job as a dish washer, I'd have to kill myself.
Like you ever read a book, Cyan, much less went into a library
Shelving is the bottom of the totem pole there, + guess what? If you **** up the shelving, the whole point of a library is out the window 'cos nobody can find anything.
Cataloging has its own entire syntax. So yeah, you need to learn the language to do it right, or hey! Nobody can find anything.
Also, libraries aren't just shelves of books anymore. There's a whole internet of databases full of information that are severely complex to find, much less find things in. + I'm not talking Google.
Now start in with copyright law, which any decent librarian needs to know up + down.
This doesn't even start in with the fact that libraries are basically businesses, so you need to have a head for money + staff if you're ever going to head up a library.
How about a law library or State archives? Yeah, total no brainer stuff.
Sometimes I wonder if you think before you post, Nick.
Tell it brother! Anyone who doesn't respect librarians clearly knows nothing of the job. I still don't see why a well educated person who is well versed in a number of important topics couldn't do well in the job though. Sometimes I think the requirements for specific degrees are a little silly, when knowledge and aptitude should be much more important than a single piece of paper.
In other news, we pulled 1st place in the Clan Contest! Good work guys, I think we really pulled together a creative entry. Original entries went a long way with the number of internet entries, but we seem to have pulled the Creative vote too. Let's keep it up, we may have a shot at Clan of the Year. . .
Score! Who's awesome? We're awesome!
* Binary Dragon turns on the music, cracks open an 18 pack of Sprite, and gets the party started.
EDIT: Checking the results, we didn't just win, we SMOKED the competition. We spanked them HARD!
So, now that the contest is over, can we get around to making me an official member again?
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I have the utmost respect for Librarians. We make incredible use out of ours. My wife is the queen of getting things delivered from anywhere in the country right to our local library for her to read. She was the one who figured out our son had Aspergers. She figured out her fibromialgia (sp?) on her own. And also used the library to determine that my other son has disgraphia. One of her favorite places is the library. It has nearly everything you could ever want for education and entertainment all for free.
Good on ya Ria for pursuing the craft!
Vegetarian diets are the way to go. If you can sustain through the cravings...which I usually can...you will feel better in the long runs without all the red meats and dairy. Dairy is the worst thing for you. It is the milk of another creature being consumed by a creature that doesn't need it to survive after the age of 1. It is pupmed full of hormones and crap that give our daughters c-cup boobs by the age of 11 and pushes their menstrual cycle ahead a couple years. We are naturally lactose intollerant. Our bodies create excess mucus just so we can handle the dairy we ingest. Don't get me wrong...I love cheese...but I feel so much better when I don't have any dairy in me at all! It takes about 3 weeks to get it all out. You can speed up that process with pineapple and very citrusy fruits. Once you get it out of you though....damn does it feel good! Looks like I'm headed back off dairy now that I think about it. Winter is coming and the cold and flu season it looking to attack my mucus.
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I couldn't be vegetarian. I was raised with free meat from my grandfathers farm, and I love meat to much. Just couldn't do it. Plus, I really don't see the point.
@Ria: I don't have any disrespect for librarians, I just didn't know it was a major is all.
@Clan Mafia: I'll do it, assuming Cyan isn't the /autoin.
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That's the real reason you're not a vegetarian. As much as omnis like to think it, it's not too hard, you don't feel like you're missing out on something, and you don't miss eating meat (at best you miss the availability of ubiquitous food, but that's more a matter of market pressures than anything). I should know, I used to be someone with an identical mindset as you. Thought I could never go without meat because I "liked it too much." Turns out that once you enter the state of mind that makes you want to become a vegetarian, you'll also be in the state of mind where eating meat is no longer something you want to do, no matter how much you liked it in the past.
I guess this is all a long winded way of saying that if you ever find yourself explaining why you're an omni, you're much much better off using the reasons of "it's what I've always done, so it's easy" and "I don't see a reason not to be an omni" than trying to say that you like meat too much. Non-omnis see that as an attempt to boast how much meat you eat, as admittance to being exceptionally weak willed, and as they know it's not a valid reason as per my above explanation, they'll either assume you haven't thought out the at all, or that you are lying to yourself about it, either of which will make them think less highly of you.
Moving on to other topics, I HATE clan mafia. Seriously, I think it's the worst possible contest that could be conceived. When the extent of intraclan participation is picking the same guy that they used the last three years, I can't help but find myself nonplussed by the whole thing.
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Like you ever read a book, Cyan, much less went into a library
Shelving is the bottom of the totem pole there, + guess what? If you **** up the shelving, the whole point of a library is out the window 'cos nobody can find anything.
Cataloging has its own entire syntax. So yeah, you need to learn the language to do it right, or hey! Nobody can find anything.
Also, libraries aren't just shelves of books anymore. There's a whole internet of databases full of information that are severely complex to find, much less find things in. + I'm not talking Google.
Now start in with copyright law, which any decent librarian needs to know up + down.
This doesn't even start in with the fact that libraries are basically businesses, so you need to have a head for money + staff if you're ever going to head up a library.
How about a law library or State archives? Yeah, total no brainer stuff.
Sometimes I wonder if you think before you post, Nick.
I never read a book? Are you kidding me? I own like 400 or something books. I was a social outcast as a kid; my parents were constantly trying to get me to STOP reading and go outside and play. And virtually every book I read was a library book, because my parents never bought anything. Hell, my kids and I were at the library like 3 weeks ago(to be fair, I didn't check anything out, but that's only because they didn't have anything I wanted to read). I've probably forgotten more books than most people have read. I'm fascinated that you could make such a silly observation.
I'm not trying to disrespect librarians. I think they're great. Libraries are one of my favorite places, and librarians fulfill a great public service. Reading is important for everyone, especially children. Libraries are particularly useful here, because the cost of children's books is usually ridiculous, especially considering that you're getting 50 pages of content that frequently have about 10 words each on them. I LOVE the library, especially as a parent.
But the idea that you should need a college degree, especially a Masters, is an absolute joke. Period.
None of your examples make any sense in context. Yes, you need to not screw up shelving, cataloging, etc. You don't need a college degree to accomplish these things.
And why on Earth would you need to know copyright law to work at a library?
If you're working somewhere like a law library, obviously that is different. But that is going to require a LAW degree anyway, most likely. Not a random 'Be a Librarian' degree.
Lastly, maybe the libraries in Australia are just VASTLY different than in the US, but, a library here is NOT a business. The libraries here(the 6 different ones I've been to in AZ, plus the few I visited in IN when I lived there) don't sell things. Some of them have gift shops in the same building, but it's not part of the actual library.
Oh, they usually have a vending machine. Maybe you need a degree to oversee that.
@BD: If you look at the list(s) of participants for Clan mafia for the last couple of years, I don't think any clan had any repeating members. I replaced in for HKKID for our Clan at the very end 2 years ago, but that's pretty much it.
Anyway, I'm still down to play Clan Mafia. Last time we needed 2 entrants, Kpaca. If that's not the case this year, I'll let you play this time.
As far as being a vegetarian, I'm just not interested more than anything else. I think that the argument that red meat and dairy are 'bad' for you is a nonsense justification. People have been eating red meat since the dawn of time, and consuming dairy since Pasteur. Society is just lazy in general. I understand what JJ is saying about having too much dairy, but if you consume too much of anything it's bad for you. Hell, if you drink too much water, it can kill you.
Mostly, I enjoy eating meat and dairy products. I disagree with the notion that I wouldn't miss eating meat. If I don't eat meat for a couple of days(sometimes it happens on accident), I find myself craving a cheeseburger or chicken.
I guess this is all a long winded way of saying that if you ever find yourself explaining why you're an omni, you're much much better off using the reasons of "it's what I've always done, so it's easy" and "I don't see a reason not to be an omni" than trying to say that you like meat too much. Non-omnis see that as an attempt to boast how much meat you eat, as admittance to being exceptionally weak willed, and as they know it's not a valid reason as per my above explanation, they'll either assume you haven't thought out the at all, or that you are lying to yourself about it, either of which will make them think less highly of you.
Good job reinforcing the social notion that vegetarians are snobby douchebags. I mean honestly. People are weak-willed because they like meat? I like that you're attacking Kpaca here for what you view as having a ******** justification, and then come back with 'zomg people like meat because they're weak willed'. Get over yourself. Not liking meat doesn't make you better than everyone else, no matter how much you want it to. It just makes you different.
Red meat is linked to certain kinds of cancers. Colon cancer being the biggest one. Man has not always been a meat eater. Honestly, we evolved with the parts to eat plants. Our teeth aren't built for meat consumption, and our bodies naturally have a harder time breaking down flesh...which we never completely do. As a whole, the majority of non-third world civilizations consume meat. Many of us love it very much. Many of us do not...for whatever reason. Some people reject it for humanitarian reasons, some for their health, some because they've never been exposed to anything else.
As for your cravings...that's your body craving what it believes it needs to survive. If you eat meat on a regular basis, your body will crave the salt and enzymes meat give it. If youpush through those cravings you can go without meat in your diet. You get a headache, you're irritible, you have no energy, you feel as if you are going to lose your mind. Then about a week after you stop you feel different. Energized. Some can last through this phase, some can not.
Meat is cheap, full of protein and readily available everywhere. You don't have to think about supplementing your body with a bunch of different things to get the vitamins that meat gives you. BUT...your body doesn't need it to survive. It doesn't need milk for calcium, it doesn't need meat for protein. It can get those things elsewhere.
On the other topic...Library Sciences has been a degree'd major in colleges and universities for a very long time. In order to be more than just a person that stocks shelves and sits at the front desk swiping the spine over the scanner, you need an education about how to RUN a library efficiently. With cutbacks in every government facility, the first thing to get hit is the FREE library. If you want it run like a well oiled machine you are going to hire those with the most education and experience. When you can substitute expreience with education on a resume...sometimes you bite the bullet for a couple years and get it done.
That is how the business world is right now. If I didn't have the experience that I have in the business I'm in, I wouldn't be working right now! As tight as things are...I don't need to get a second job because I can just work extra hours here.
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Nick, there's more to a librarian degree than what you've listed off. Just like there's more to a fire degree than burning things. Hell, folks don't need a degree to burn stuff. Course in my field jobs are highly weighted towards experience. Plus if I take my work home with me they call me an arsonist...:sweat:
Saying, "I don't see the point." Is a perfect reason why an omnivore or carnivore shouldn't become a vegetarian or vegan. After all, it is a restriction to the diet that evolves from concerns...often beyond food. Health, ethical, and ecological seem to be the big three and can span from just avoiding industrialized meat processes to avoiding anything that's remotely animal. There is no reason someone who doesn't share those values should become a vegetarian. They need to be converted because it is not natural in our society or historically. Besides, if survival became an issue you'd resort to eating anything that moves...or starve.
I'm curious Blod, You're largely ethically oriented. Why then is it acceptable for the destruction of habitat for farming? I'm thinking about habitats like the Palouse prairie, which has had about a 95% conversion to wheat and may be considered as one of the first extinct habitats; and the tall grass prairie of the great plains which has had about 80% or so converted to agriculture? Vegetarianism doesn't eat those animals that lived in those habitats, but they'll go extinct nonetheless...
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Edit: Really JJ? Two minutes faster than my post? Bah.
Anyway....I wanted to address your "evolved from vegetarians" comment. We've supplementing our diet since at least homohabilis...most likely from scavenged meat and bone marrow and the like...it's been there and that's several million years back. You need to go waaaay back for a more solid semblance of vegetarianism...even the precursor to mammals in general was an insectivore of sorts. Doesn't matter too much as things change over time. Birds were once all carnivores, evolving from raptor like therapods, and now there are some like the Hoatzin, which has the nickname the flying cow.
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Well, some of our teeth actually are designed for meat consumption.
That said, I don't understand why if I enjoy meat, I shouldn't eat meat. Don't try to tell me I just "think I enjoy meat because I'm weak minded". I actually enjoy meat, it tastes different than some broccoli or a summer salad, and I defy you to find me a soy bean product which tastes as good as a filet mignon. Just like I may eat a slice of chocolate cake because I enjoy it, I eat meat because I enjoy it, and I don't see what's wrong with that.
I love meat too. I just find that I feel better as a whole when I don't. I'm not as tired or lethargic. My complexian is better and I smell better too. But meat is yummy. Especially when it's fried and covered in buffalo sauce!
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There are so many different types of meat that I like that the idea of being a vegetarian is inconceivable to me. And honestly, while I can't imagine ever being able to make a factual determination of this(lack of funding, etc), I have long had the suspicion that it is a chemical imbalance in people's brains that cause them to not want to eat meat. For example, you would probably be surprised if you looked up the # of reported cases of manic depression(bi-polar disorder) and how many of them are vegetarian/vegan. The ratio is much, much higher than it is among the general population.
I've made mock meat dishes, taken them to a Thanksgiving dinner with a large number of omni friends, and they were far more popular than the turkey. Yes, tofu tastes like **** if you don't know how to prepare it properly. Come over to my place sometime and I'll have you eating things you would never know here made with tofu unless I told you they were.
I call bull**** on this.
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Saying you've eaten tofu is totally vague. If you mean the flavourless white stuff with creamy or crumbly texture - good on you, you may like to try wood chips too. Seriously, it needs to be flavoured + textured, at which point it can taste or look like anything.
Word. Although I'll caveat that the only vitamin or mineral that's not readily found in a vegan diet is B12 (due to current farming methods) and that a vegetarian diet easily has everything anyone needs to live. And B12 is found in abundance in plant milks, vitamins, and nutritional yeast. Anyone who knows about it should have no problems getting enough.
I'd like to add to Brian's comment that having plain, raw tofu is like eating a spoonful of flour. Both are ingredients that need to be properly prepared before they can turn into a delicious cake, not eaten plain.
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The more you know etc.
In other news, uuuugh at dry cataloging homework x_X
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Growth and decay its very nature
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Happy the marvel of them and the peace.
-Nidana Vagga
It's not terrible, I mean, I am interested in this stuff (or why would I even looked at being a librarian ), but it is about as exciting as you'd expect it to be. It's very difficult not to find reasons to be distracted.
Not just a degree, but a special degree in library science. And you won't move up easily unless you get your masters. Many of my closest friends are librarians, so I know this well. I still don't really understand why it's this way though.
A Webcomic of math, physics, and life as a geek in college.
Official Insomniac/Physics Addicted Uber Geek of The Called
"I want to be a complete nerd with extra nerd sauce on top. I'm a nerd. Infinite nerd!"
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:teach:If you torture data sufficiently, it will confess to almost anything.:teach:
-Fred Menger
Fleeting is this world
Growth and decay its very nature
Things spring to being and again they cease
Happy the marvel of them and the peace.
-Nidana Vagga
Bah! There are plenty of Omnivores and carnivores out there who don't know good diet worth spit. High fat high cholesterol diets writhe with fast food and soda and what happens....America is obese with epidemic cases of diebeties. It's gotten so bad that the government is proposing taxes on fatty foods and sodas to supliment health care...cause poor health choices drive up the costs and the average American doesn't care enough to do anything.
Course I'm not one who should talk. My diet is pure preservatives, dash of carbs, and dust. How else can they make ramen noodles for 10 cents if it wasn't mostly preservatives and dust? Plus I like adding salt to my noodles.
Knees are shot. Went data collecting and after a few back and fourths on steep terrain my knees are aching like they were a few months back. Means they ain't healed and probably worse for the wear.
On the plus side I now have a new axe and bowsaw. Kickass axe too, indestructable handle and solid head...made by the folks who make gerbers it is....I'm such a gear head.:facepalm:
Cheers,
Daggertooth
For my heart had not denied me and I have somewhere to go.
I shall never be a prisoner of steel and glass and stone.
If I leave, I will return again to my Rocky Mountain home.
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I can't believe you need a degree to be a librarian. I'm sorry, but that is 'epic lulz'. How hard can it be to put books on a shelf. 'Library Science'....pffft.
If you didn't need a degree for a dumb job like that, then having a degree would mean so much more than it does.
Shelving is the bottom of the totem pole there, + guess what? If you **** up the shelving, the whole point of a library is out the window 'cos nobody can find anything.
Cataloging has its own entire syntax. So yeah, you need to learn the language to do it right, or hey! Nobody can find anything.
Also, libraries aren't just shelves of books anymore. There's a whole internet of databases full of information that are severely complex to find, much less find things in. + I'm not talking Google.
Now start in with copyright law, which any decent librarian needs to know up + down.
This doesn't even start in with the fact that libraries are basically businesses, so you need to have a head for money + staff if you're ever going to head up a library.
How about a law library or State archives? Yeah, total no brainer stuff.
Sometimes I wonder if you think before you post, Nick.
Also I'm drunk. Whatever.
The worst part of all this is that there's too much information stored in places and not enough people looking through them and keeping track of them. Many places get fed up with the clutter and just throw things out.
I'm not sure if I hit the nail exactly on the head here. Ria could fill ya in better.
As far as epic lulz qualifications go...I once applied for a dish washing job that wanted 7 years experience. I told them I knew how to wash dishes and had a B.S. Degree....but wasn't good enough for them. Maybe they'll accept me with a Masters?
Cheers,
Daggertooth
For my heart had not denied me and I have somewhere to go.
I shall never be a prisoner of steel and glass and stone.
If I leave, I will return again to my Rocky Mountain home.
Moderator Helpdesk
In other news, we pulled 1st place in the Clan Contest! Good work guys, I think we really pulled together a creative entry. Original entries went a long way with the number of internet entries, but we seem to have pulled the Creative vote too. Let's keep it up, we may have a shot at Clan of the Year. . .
Some day I'll get you to eat better.
That's the way the economy is now. Why bother training someone in how to do a job (even if it's easy to learn) when in the 100 applications you're going to get, you're sure to find someone else who needs no training and has far better efficiency at the job. Though on a side note, if I ever had 7 years experience washing dishes, AND I was looking for ANOTHER job as a dish washer, I'd have to kill myself.
Tell it brother! Anyone who doesn't respect librarians clearly knows nothing of the job. I still don't see why a well educated person who is well versed in a number of important topics couldn't do well in the job though. Sometimes I think the requirements for specific degrees are a little silly, when knowledge and aptitude should be much more important than a single piece of paper.
Score! Who's awesome? We're awesome!
* Binary Dragon turns on the music, cracks open an 18 pack of Sprite, and gets the party started.
EDIT: Checking the results, we didn't just win, we SMOKED the competition. We spanked them HARD!
So, now that the contest is over, can we get around to making me an official member again? I'd argue that any human who considers himself a "carnivore" is an idiot when it comes to dietary needs. That is to say, all of them, not just some.
A Webcomic of math, physics, and life as a geek in college.
Official Insomniac/Physics Addicted Uber Geek of The Called
"I want to be a complete nerd with extra nerd sauce on top. I'm a nerd. Infinite nerd!"
-rancored_elf
:teach:If you torture data sufficiently, it will confess to almost anything.:teach:
-Fred Menger
Fleeting is this world
Growth and decay its very nature
Things spring to being and again they cease
Happy the marvel of them and the peace.
-Nidana Vagga
I'm pretty sure you're back on the members list, BD - formal vote anyone?
Oh yeah, Clan Contest Mafia is bound to go any day now, who wants/do we want to play for us?
Good on ya Ria for pursuing the craft!
Vegetarian diets are the way to go. If you can sustain through the cravings...which I usually can...you will feel better in the long runs without all the red meats and dairy. Dairy is the worst thing for you. It is the milk of another creature being consumed by a creature that doesn't need it to survive after the age of 1. It is pupmed full of hormones and crap that give our daughters c-cup boobs by the age of 11 and pushes their menstrual cycle ahead a couple years. We are naturally lactose intollerant. Our bodies create excess mucus just so we can handle the dairy we ingest. Don't get me wrong...I love cheese...but I feel so much better when I don't have any dairy in me at all! It takes about 3 weeks to get it all out. You can speed up that process with pineapple and very citrusy fruits. Once you get it out of you though....damn does it feel good! Looks like I'm headed back off dairy now that I think about it. Winter is coming and the cold and flu season it looking to attack my mucus.
Clan contest winners!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo
@Ria: I don't have any disrespect for librarians, I just didn't know it was a major is all.
@Clan Mafia: I'll do it, assuming Cyan isn't the /autoin.
I guess this is all a long winded way of saying that if you ever find yourself explaining why you're an omni, you're much much better off using the reasons of "it's what I've always done, so it's easy" and "I don't see a reason not to be an omni" than trying to say that you like meat too much. Non-omnis see that as an attempt to boast how much meat you eat, as admittance to being exceptionally weak willed, and as they know it's not a valid reason as per my above explanation, they'll either assume you haven't thought out the at all, or that you are lying to yourself about it, either of which will make them think less highly of you.
Moving on to other topics, I HATE clan mafia. Seriously, I think it's the worst possible contest that could be conceived. When the extent of intraclan participation is picking the same guy that they used the last three years, I can't help but find myself nonplussed by the whole thing. That's the real reason you're not a vegetarian. As much as omnis like to think it, it's not too hard, you don't feel like you're missing out on something, and you don't miss eating meat (at best you miss the availability of ubiquitous food, but that's more a matter of market pressures than anything). I should know, I used to be someone with an identical mindset as you. Thought I could never go without meat because I "liked it too much." Turns out that once you enter the state of mind that makes you want to become a vegetarian, you'll also be in the state of mind where eating meat is no longer something you want to do, no matter how much you liked it in the past.
A Webcomic of math, physics, and life as a geek in college.
Official Insomniac/Physics Addicted Uber Geek of The Called
"I want to be a complete nerd with extra nerd sauce on top. I'm a nerd. Infinite nerd!"
-rancored_elf
:teach:If you torture data sufficiently, it will confess to almost anything.:teach:
-Fred Menger
Fleeting is this world
Growth and decay its very nature
Things spring to being and again they cease
Happy the marvel of them and the peace.
-Nidana Vagga
I never read a book? Are you kidding me? I own like 400 or something books. I was a social outcast as a kid; my parents were constantly trying to get me to STOP reading and go outside and play. And virtually every book I read was a library book, because my parents never bought anything. Hell, my kids and I were at the library like 3 weeks ago(to be fair, I didn't check anything out, but that's only because they didn't have anything I wanted to read). I've probably forgotten more books than most people have read. I'm fascinated that you could make such a silly observation.
I'm not trying to disrespect librarians. I think they're great. Libraries are one of my favorite places, and librarians fulfill a great public service. Reading is important for everyone, especially children. Libraries are particularly useful here, because the cost of children's books is usually ridiculous, especially considering that you're getting 50 pages of content that frequently have about 10 words each on them. I LOVE the library, especially as a parent.
But the idea that you should need a college degree, especially a Masters, is an absolute joke. Period.
None of your examples make any sense in context. Yes, you need to not screw up shelving, cataloging, etc. You don't need a college degree to accomplish these things.
And why on Earth would you need to know copyright law to work at a library?
If you're working somewhere like a law library, obviously that is different. But that is going to require a LAW degree anyway, most likely. Not a random 'Be a Librarian' degree.
Lastly, maybe the libraries in Australia are just VASTLY different than in the US, but, a library here is NOT a business. The libraries here(the 6 different ones I've been to in AZ, plus the few I visited in IN when I lived there) don't sell things. Some of them have gift shops in the same building, but it's not part of the actual library.
Oh, they usually have a vending machine. Maybe you need a degree to oversee that.
@BD: If you look at the list(s) of participants for Clan mafia for the last couple of years, I don't think any clan had any repeating members. I replaced in for HKKID for our Clan at the very end 2 years ago, but that's pretty much it.
Anyway, I'm still down to play Clan Mafia. Last time we needed 2 entrants, Kpaca. If that's not the case this year, I'll let you play this time.
As far as being a vegetarian, I'm just not interested more than anything else. I think that the argument that red meat and dairy are 'bad' for you is a nonsense justification. People have been eating red meat since the dawn of time, and consuming dairy since Pasteur. Society is just lazy in general. I understand what JJ is saying about having too much dairy, but if you consume too much of anything it's bad for you. Hell, if you drink too much water, it can kill you.
Mostly, I enjoy eating meat and dairy products. I disagree with the notion that I wouldn't miss eating meat. If I don't eat meat for a couple of days(sometimes it happens on accident), I find myself craving a cheeseburger or chicken.
Good job reinforcing the social notion that vegetarians are snobby douchebags. I mean honestly. People are weak-willed because they like meat? I like that you're attacking Kpaca here for what you view as having a ******** justification, and then come back with 'zomg people like meat because they're weak willed'. Get over yourself. Not liking meat doesn't make you better than everyone else, no matter how much you want it to. It just makes you different.
Red meat is linked to certain kinds of cancers. Colon cancer being the biggest one. Man has not always been a meat eater. Honestly, we evolved with the parts to eat plants. Our teeth aren't built for meat consumption, and our bodies naturally have a harder time breaking down flesh...which we never completely do. As a whole, the majority of non-third world civilizations consume meat. Many of us love it very much. Many of us do not...for whatever reason. Some people reject it for humanitarian reasons, some for their health, some because they've never been exposed to anything else.
As for your cravings...that's your body craving what it believes it needs to survive. If you eat meat on a regular basis, your body will crave the salt and enzymes meat give it. If youpush through those cravings you can go without meat in your diet. You get a headache, you're irritible, you have no energy, you feel as if you are going to lose your mind. Then about a week after you stop you feel different. Energized. Some can last through this phase, some can not.
Meat is cheap, full of protein and readily available everywhere. You don't have to think about supplementing your body with a bunch of different things to get the vitamins that meat gives you. BUT...your body doesn't need it to survive. It doesn't need milk for calcium, it doesn't need meat for protein. It can get those things elsewhere.
On the other topic...Library Sciences has been a degree'd major in colleges and universities for a very long time. In order to be more than just a person that stocks shelves and sits at the front desk swiping the spine over the scanner, you need an education about how to RUN a library efficiently. With cutbacks in every government facility, the first thing to get hit is the FREE library. If you want it run like a well oiled machine you are going to hire those with the most education and experience. When you can substitute expreience with education on a resume...sometimes you bite the bullet for a couple years and get it done.
That is how the business world is right now. If I didn't have the experience that I have in the business I'm in, I wouldn't be working right now! As tight as things are...I don't need to get a second job because I can just work extra hours here.
Saying, "I don't see the point." Is a perfect reason why an omnivore or carnivore shouldn't become a vegetarian or vegan. After all, it is a restriction to the diet that evolves from concerns...often beyond food. Health, ethical, and ecological seem to be the big three and can span from just avoiding industrialized meat processes to avoiding anything that's remotely animal. There is no reason someone who doesn't share those values should become a vegetarian. They need to be converted because it is not natural in our society or historically. Besides, if survival became an issue you'd resort to eating anything that moves...or starve.
I'm curious Blod, You're largely ethically oriented. Why then is it acceptable for the destruction of habitat for farming? I'm thinking about habitats like the Palouse prairie, which has had about a 95% conversion to wheat and may be considered as one of the first extinct habitats; and the tall grass prairie of the great plains which has had about 80% or so converted to agriculture? Vegetarianism doesn't eat those animals that lived in those habitats, but they'll go extinct nonetheless...
Cheers,
Daggertooth
Edit: Really JJ? Two minutes faster than my post? Bah.
Anyway....I wanted to address your "evolved from vegetarians" comment. We've supplementing our diet since at least homohabilis...most likely from scavenged meat and bone marrow and the like...it's been there and that's several million years back. You need to go waaaay back for a more solid semblance of vegetarianism...even the precursor to mammals in general was an insectivore of sorts. Doesn't matter too much as things change over time. Birds were once all carnivores, evolving from raptor like therapods, and now there are some like the Hoatzin, which has the nickname the flying cow.
For my heart had not denied me and I have somewhere to go.
I shall never be a prisoner of steel and glass and stone.
If I leave, I will return again to my Rocky Mountain home.
Moderator Helpdesk
That said, I don't understand why if I enjoy meat, I shouldn't eat meat. Don't try to tell me I just "think I enjoy meat because I'm weak minded". I actually enjoy meat, it tastes different than some broccoli or a summer salad, and I defy you to find me a soy bean product which tastes as good as a filet mignon. Just like I may eat a slice of chocolate cake because I enjoy it, I eat meat because I enjoy it, and I don't see what's wrong with that.
Edit @Daggs: Here is an interesting Time Magazine article dealing with vegan ethics. http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html