Bull. What about an investigation? Or a watcher could take a look at him to cross-check his claim with night actions. Or, hey, I don't know, we could wait a few days and examine his behavior for inconsistencies. You know, the stuff the game is about?
Ok, by that logic, we should never lynch anyone.
The general concensus is tha we believe Cubus is unlynchable and at worst would cause a no lynch. Where does that not leave room for an investigation/tracking/watching tonight? I personally do not believe it will cause a no-lynch, I think it will just be chalked up as a joke-lynch and not end the day. (Just like when we tried to lynch the mod in SC mafia.)
WoLG, what have you done, and what have you said about your role that makes you believe we are safe to just leave you alone at this point in time? This is every bit as valid a question. Cubus' role, as claimed, says nothing about his alignment, because the probability is that Xyre is the only one who knows what's going on with it. As I said before, his alignment is at issue, not his honesty about his role, because we can't test his honesty in this case. It would be careless in the extreme to just say, "To heck with the consequences," which is what lynching him does. We have other options and we should exploit them before we go haring off and do something stupid.
1.) I didn't play dead, I didn't claim to be unlynch/kill-able, and (at this point in time) I'm not the one standing centerstage with a lynch-crew behind me, so I would say that I haven't done anything to warrent NOT leavinv me alone at this point in time.
2.) His alignment, as well as the honesty about his role is in question. If someone is blatently lieing about their role, then they are not pro-town.
3.) We CAN test his honesty, by attempting to lynch him.
Attempting to lynch someone who claims unlychable is not "something stupid" It's pursuing a possible avenue of information. Yes, there are other avenues, but lets finish checking this path before we jump onto another. Cubus hasn't given us any reason not to continue pursuing him, and ever since being asked to claim, he's not been acting in the towns best interest. When someone doesn't act in the towns best interest, that's when I start believing them to be anti-town. I believe he is anti-town, possibly neutral, not only because of his actions, but because he claimed that we can't kill him. That doesn't sound town to me, so he should be tested.
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I did a read-over of Dagger and here are my opinions on CP's points.
1. He has claimed to have a posting aside from that, and IIRC he implied that the third person-speaking was somewhat role relevant, so whether it was scummy or not can only be effectively judged with a claim.
2. This is somewhat valid, but his initial defense was when the case was solely over Cubus' gambit and after that he had said that Cubus was probably neutral a couple times so I don't consider this a major flip.
3. He was pretty consistently anti-serge so 526 seems more like a continuation of that than anything else to me. What part makes you feel like he thought serge would turn up town?
4. This seems like a valid point. The sentence referred to is just plain wierd because the answer to the first part of the question is clearly "no" if its actually a question worth asking. Whenever someone is "automatically cleared" it should be fairly obvious that they are, otherwise its not automatic. The second part also shouldn't really be part of a question since it is obvious that his claimed ability is confirmed.
5. The directing attention itself isn't scummy. If you think the town isn't paying as much attention to something you deem worthy of attention then directing them towards it is fine. What's scummy about it is that he had earlier specifically opposed going after either of us (post 462) and then suggests going back to discussing whether one of use should be lynched.
6. I don't really see what's so crafty in this post.
So I don't agree with most of the case, but just off of 4 and 5 I'm not horribly averse to a wagon in that direction. FOS: Dagger
I still don't find him scummier than WoD so I won't move my vote. WoD hasn't exactly been looking any less scummy in his few recent posts and I still highly encourage others to take a look at him.
First of all, I just feel the need to point out that this is a distraction. The Cubus wagon is dead, and the town needs to move on, and also has at least two quality directions in which to move. The cases made against arimnaes and Dagger should not be allowed to fall by the wayside because the town was lingering on a dead wagon when they could have been productive elsewhere.
WoLG: This is my last say on the matter until you come up with some real evidence. Please, at the very least, realize that by dragging this out, you are distracting the town from productive discussion.
Umm, no. Maybe you weren't paying attention. By that logic, we should never lynch anyone who might have a role that would drastically hurt the town if it was lynched. Big difference.
The general concensus is tha we believe Cubus is unlynchable and at worst would cause a no lynch.
A general consensus of one, maybe. Several people have speculated that this might be the case, but just assuming it would be downright foolhardy, as most of the town seems to realize. That's why the wagon has, for the most part, disintegrated.
Where does that not leave room for an investigation/tracking/watching tonight? I personally do not believe it will cause a no-lynch, I think it will just be chalked up as a joke-lynch and not end the day. (Just like when we tried to lynch the mod in SC mafia.)
So I can call you foolhardy now, right? Your personal belief does not make it so, and you haven't even tried to back up your opinion with examples or logic of any kind.
1.) I didn't play dead, I didn't claim to be unlynch/kill-able, and (at this point in time) I'm not the one standing centerstage with a lynch-crew behind me, so I would say that I haven't done anything to warrent NOT leavinv me alone at this point in time.
Exactly my point. Did you even read the post, or did you just copy-paste it for the sake of argument? I'll have to remember that not playing dead or claiming to be unlynchable is all it takes to convince the town that I'm not a danger to them. It'll be a very useful tactic, especially when I'm scum.
Sarcasm aside, playing dead and claiming to be unlynchable are not indicators of a dangerous role. I have claimed this repeatedly, citing multiple examples. All you've said in response is basically, "Yes, they are."
2.) His alignment, as well as the honesty about his role is in question. If someone is blatently lieing about their role, then they are not pro-town.
Again with the flat contradictions! I am saying - have said multiple times, in fact - that Cubus may not even know more about his role, so we cannot judge the claim based on what Cubus has said. His honesty on the issue is not at stake. If you're just going to deny me, you actually have to say why.
3.) We CAN test his honesty, by attempting to lynch him.
Okay, pardon me. We can't test his honesty without being retards.
Attempting to lynch someone who claims unlychable is not "something stupid"
Attempting to lynch someone who claims to be unkillable, however, is.
It's pursuing a possible avenue of information. Yes, there are other avenues, but lets finish checking this path before we jump onto another.
Why pick the path least likely to give us a correctable situation?
Cubus hasn't given us any reason not to continue pursuing him,
Yes he has. He's claimed unkillable. Moreover, the case against him is idiotic.
and ever since being asked to claim, he's not been acting in the towns best interest. When someone doesn't act in the towns best interest, that's when I start believing them to be anti-town. I believe he is anti-town, possibly neutral, not only because of his actions, but because he claimed that we can't kill him. That doesn't sound town to me, so he should be tested.
Unless you can somehow back any of this up with facts, this is opinion. Also, unless Cubus is actually unnightkillable and immune to investigations, his claim is an unbelievably stupid one to just make up, considering that he'd be found out the very next day, at no cost to the town. The odds that he's just lying about his role are truly miniscule.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I'm gonna have to agree with CP, I think. I propose that we just ignore Cubus like we essentially do Xyre now. If Cubus is telling us the truth, there is no way he can be anything but neutral, most likely just a survivor.
I'm more sold on pursuing Arimnaes than I am Dagger. As such, Unvote, Vote Arimnaes
1) He pretended to have a posting restriction at the beginning of the game by speaking in third person. This is highly reminiscent of arimnaes' play in Court, which Dagger frequently references near the beginning of the game.
1. He has claimed to have a posting aside from that, and IIRC he implied that the third person-speaking was somewhat role relevant, so whether it was scummy or not can only be effectively judged with a claim.
Very well, I'll admit it. My role name cracked me up. It tickled my fancy. It spurred me to speak in 3rd person for a short while till I got tired of it. If you like, you can assume the 3rd-person-speaking as a soft claim of sorts.
2) His stance on Cubus changes drastically over the course of the game, starting by saying that he isn't scummy (340), and even defending him, and ending by saying that he's almost certainly an anti-town neutral (652).
2. This is somewhat valid, but his initial defense was when the case was solely over Cubus' gambit and after that he had said that Cubus was probably neutral a couple times so I don't consider this a major flip.
What Chimp said. I already stated very early on before Cubus revealed himself that Cubus might be a neutral. I said I can see Cubus make that gambit as a town, a fact that you so zealously defend. I also said that I wanted him to claim because I believed him to be a neutral and didn't trust him to be pro-town. In fact, I repeated this several times. I don't see where the 'drastically' part comes in. That been said, I don't really believe Cubus can't be killed no matter what. If what he said is the truth, then it'll only cement my conviction that he's a neutral, as was already stated by a few other players.
3) His stance on serge makes it look like he already knew serge was going to turn up innocent, but continued to pressure him because it made his stance on Cubus look better (serge being anti-Cubus)(Post 526).
3. He was pretty consistently anti-serge so 526 seems more like a continuation of that than anything else to me. What part makes you feel like he thought serge would turn up town?
At that point of time, I still considered serge to be a scum. However, I was repeatedly told that continuing to vote for serge is a bad idea because if Hyram was speaking the truth, then he's going to die in a week's time anyway. Are you telling me otherwise?
Looking back at post #526, where did I imply that serge being anti-Cubus made my vote on Cubus looked better? I believed serge to be scum. If anything, him being anti-Cubus made my vote on Cubus looked worse, a fact that I laid out in the same post.
4) He attempted to clear Hyram based on him proving his ability (620), rather than just accepting that he shouldn't be today's lynch, like the rest of the town. This implies that he had some vested interest in keeping Hyram (a player who has committed absolute masses of scum tells) alive.
4. This seems like a valid point. The sentence referred to is just plain wierd because the answer to the first part of the question is clearly "no" if its actually a question worth asking. Whenever someone is "automatically cleared" it should be fairly obvious that they are, otherwise its not automatic. The second part also shouldn't really be part of a question since it is obvious that his claimed ability is confirmed.
"accepting that he shouldn't be today's lynch, like the rest of the town"? Which rest of the town? You cited post #620. I urge you to scroll down from there and look through the subsequent posts. The next person to question that fact was Sutherlands. And below again, there were even more people continuing to discuss this fact. By the implication of this post, you believed that Hyram is a scum. And yet you, like 'the rest of the town', believed he shouldn't be today's lynch as you claimed? I find that horribly contradictory.
Also, are you saying that those who didn't accept that Hyram shouldn't be today's lynch are scums since you seem intent on linking me with him, a person you suspected to be a scum? Again, a contradiction.
@Chimp: You are assuming every post a person makes must be carefully thought out. It was just a question that I asked aloud of the town to see what they think. The town is not a single entity, but rather many people with different opinions. If I am so sure that what I think is what the town think, then we don't really need to play mafia anymore.
5. The directing attention itself isn't scummy. If you think the town isn't paying as much attention to something you deem worthy of attention then directing them towards it is fine. What's scummy about it is that he had earlier specifically opposed going after either of us (post 462) and then suggests going back to discussing whether one of use should be lynched.
I have issues with the 'clearly know' part. Who are you to judge what the town is interested in?
@Chimp: I did specifically oppose going after each of you. However, when I made that post, I was rather tired of the constant rehashing of the same points in the Cubus' arguments. The next point of interest I could come up with right at the top of my head to cite as an example was the Chimp/Wuffles dilemma. And if you must know, based on the settings of this game that I have seen so far, I am having second thoughts about lynching one of you.
6) Makes it very clear that he always wanted a claim from Cubus, rather than lynching him, but does so in a way that seems calculated to draw as much attention to the fact as possible. Ironically, this is in the same post where he accuses Cubus of being evasive and vague (and thus presumably lynchworthy). (699)
6. I don't really see what's so crafty in this post.
"Calculated"? You seem fond of attaching scummy-sounding words to statements you made against others. I merely wanted to avoid the town mistaking my intention. Cyan did it once already in post #651.
Also, I did not say Cubus is being evasive and vague. I said Cubus' CLAIM is evasive and vague. How can "Well.. It's pretty obvious what a dead man can do, or rather, what a dead man can't do." not sounding evasive and vague?
Honestly, I feel like Dagger defended himself pretty well there(the faking of a PR does bother me alot, but, I don't think that's enough to go on right now). Enough so that I think that we should look at Arimnaes more than Dagger. Especially since Arimnaes has become alot less visible since people started taking notice of him.
Actually, my suspicions of Arimnaes largely reside in the way that he tried to avoid the Cubus' wagon. Whenever I read his posts ,they just come across to me as someone avoiding a wagon because they know that the person is not scum...because they are scum themselves. I mean, compare and contrast CP's stance on the Cubus' situation w/ Arimnaes. All Arimnaes did was say things like 'I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill'. He's not really putting any vested interest into defending Cubus. Plus, the way that he queried me and I was forced to explain very obvious things to him came across to me as him wanting me to make a case against Cubus that would be convincing, so that Cubus would get l ynched, all while Arimnaes wasn't on the wagon.
The thing with Loran is definetely telling as well, however.
I'm not really feeling a bertrand lynch. That is essentially a lurker lynch, and I feel like that is inappropriate right now.
@ ZDS: The I, dwight mcarthy, have never been a member of the mafia" is a quote from the mod of Sin City, which was posted before he was lynched.
I can agree with a wagon on Arim, atm. The case on Loran was pretty week, and I'll have to re-read his reactions to the cubus wagon, but my notes have him as "dodgey". I would also like to point out that he wanted Hyram to fire at a target as soon as possible, which isn't exactly in the best intrests of the town.
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Very well, I'll admit it. My role name cracked me up. It tickled my fancy. It spurred me to speak in 3rd person for a short while till I got tired of it. If you like, you can assume the 3rd-person-speaking as a soft claim of sorts.
I'm getting really tired of claims like these. "I have information that makes this look less scummy, but I can't/won't tell you what it is." I'll back off from the point, but it's going to come back to this at some point, you must realize. You aren't off the hook.
What Chimp said. I already stated very early on before Cubus revealed himself that Cubus might be a neutral. I said I can see Cubus make that gambit as a town, a fact that you so zealously defend. I also said that I wanted him to claim because I believed him to be a neutral and didn't trust him to be pro-town. In fact, I repeated this several times. I don't see where the 'drastically' part comes in. That been said, I don't really believe Cubus can't be killed no matter what. If what he said is the truth, then it'll only cement my conviction that he's a neutral, as was already stated by a few other players.
I reviewed every single one of your posts, and can only find one place where you say that he's likely anti-town, and it's in the post I referenced. You speculated that he might be neutral very early on, before he even started posting for real, based purely on the "I guess" argument. So you're publicly saying that you don't think Cubus' gambit was scummy, and the only things convincing you of his likely neutral-ness are two random words thrown into a bah post, and speculation about what his role might be? That's an incredibly weak set of points to found any kind of opinion on.
Moreover, this is not an opinion that you've maintained. Once Cubus actually came out and started playing, you never even mentioned the possibility of him being neutral again until the wagon was well and truly underway, and at first, it seemed like a defense (i.e. he's not scum, he's neutral), especially in light of your active defense of him up to that point. You very abruptly changed to the stance that he's probably anti-town quite late in the process, and it stemmed from absolutely no new information.
At that point of time, I still considered serge to be a scum. However, I was repeatedly told that continuing to vote for serge is a bad idea because if Hyram was speaking the truth, then he's going to die in a week's time anyway. Are you telling me otherwise?
Looking back at post #526, where did I imply that serge being anti-Cubus made my vote on Cubus looked better? I believed serge to be scum. If anything, him being anti-Cubus made my vote on Cubus looked worse, a fact that I laid out in the same post.
I'll drop the point. I don't specifically recall what it was that brought this point up, so I can't really take it any further. It's possible that I was viewing it with hindsight, serge having been half-cop and all.
"accepting that he shouldn't be today's lynch, like the rest of the town"? Which rest of the town? You cited post #620. I urge you to scroll down from there and look through the subsequent posts. The next person to question that fact was Sutherlands. And below again, there were even more people continuing to discuss this fact. By the implication of this post, you believed that Hyram is a scum. And yet you, like 'the rest of the town', believed he shouldn't be today's lynch as you claimed? I find that horribly contradictory.
Pardon me. I should have said that it was the consensus. In any case, most people decided that Hyram should be saved for another day, and a few people wanted to go back him (you might note that I was one of the latter group, too, so your point is kind of moot. You were the only one trying to clear him. Considering that every single other person in the game did not even consider the possibility of him being cleared, this behavior stands out as being rather suspect, don't you think?
Also, are you saying that those who didn't accept that Hyram shouldn't be today's lynch are scums since you seem intent on linking me with him, a person you suspected to be a scum? Again, a contradiction.
No, I didn't say that, nor do I think that. Not a contradiction.
@Chimp: You are assuming every post a person makes must be carefully thought out. It was just a question that I asked aloud of the town to see what they think. The town is not a single entity, but rather many people with different opinions. If I am so sure that what I think is what the town think, then we don't really need to play mafia anymore.
Very few posts in mafia are ever very carefully thought out. However, almost all posts have a motive involved. What it looks like is that your motive was to try to make Hyram proving his ability into Hyram being cleared.
I have issues with the 'clearly know' part. Who are you to judge what the town is interested in?
This was not the first time this topic had been brought to the town. If you had really wanted to discuss it from where the town left off, you'd have actually gone back and looked at that part of the thread. The fact that you thought there was still discussion to be had shows that you didn't. Seriously, where would you even have started?
What makes the most sense is that you wanted to start the discussion over from the beginning in hopes of getting a different result. This is especially enlightening in view of your original stance on the pair, as Chimp points out. More inconsistencies.
"Calculated"? You seem fond of attaching scummy-sounding words to statements you made against others. I merely wanted to avoid the town mistaking my intention. Cyan did it once already in post #651.
Also, I did not say Cubus is being evasive and vague. I said Cubus' CLAIM is evasive and vague. How can "Well.. It's pretty obvious what a dead man can do, or rather, what a dead man can't do." not sounding evasive and vague?
I'll give you the claiming thing. I misread the timing. But since when is "calculated" a scummy-sounding word?
Anyway, if I were really suspicious, I might accuse you of psychology. "If I insist I my point of view on the wagon was honest, and no one calls me on it, then plenty of people who read my post will naturally assume they have license to claim that their stance was honest, too. Then the bandwagon can continue, but I still won't have to be the one pushing it."
Obviously, that had to be nipped in the bud. But I'm not accusing you of so much forethought. I'm just accusing you of trying to make yourself look good by making sure no one could miss the fact that you had claimed to be on the wagon because he was neutral, not scummy.
I'd also like to point out, as I did above, that your stance on the wagon is no more supportable than others'. The thing I really wonder at is how you managed to come to the conclusions you did. Your motivation for being on the wagon is actually much smaller than the others', since you were being honest with yourself. However, being completely honest, the tiny toothpicks of evidence you had gathered to support your theory barely even justified you posting your suspicions, let alone supporting the wagon on him.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Sorry I haven't been around; I've been concentrating more on View Askew because of the looming deadline in that game.
I don't recall any outside source ever debunking my PBPA on loran. Might I inquire how it has become fact that it was weak and that I look scummy for having made it?
Re: The Cubus Wagon: Several people have accused me of "avoiding" this wagon. That seems to imply that I sat back and didn't commit myself to an opinion one way or the other, which simply isn't the case. I don't understand now and have never understood why Cubus' actions at the beginning of the game were scummy. Hence, with a wagon materializing seemingly out of nowhere, especially with a lot of people echoing each other without contributing anything new to the discussion, I fought against the wagon tooth and nail.
The fact that loran was one of the first (if not the first) to jump on Cubus for a play that I don't see as scummy is one of the primary reasons loran drew my attention as a suspect in the first place.
Ok, my first instinct here is to both defend arimnaes and point out that his PBPA of loran was valid. I would do both of these things, and if called upon will do so, but WoD has presented me with a much easier option. Seriously man. What the heck.
What the heck.
Unvote, Vote Wrath_of_Dog. It's been generally decided that Cubus is not a great lynch target at the moment, or so the tide of votes being moved off of him would have me believe. I already found you scummy (as I stated in my one long post of the game) and Chimp's points have only solidified this opinion. I'm happy with this vote.
I don't like the Arimnaes wagon at all. Cubus seems a much better lynch target to me... Unvote, vote Cubus
No, he's not. At best we're getting a neutral on day one, which is unlikely, and at worst we're no lynching on day one, which is suicide.
I don't know if it's me, or if I'm just bad at this game, but when I see pages and pages of long posts full of quotes and long responses, I just get confused. I don't know what you're talking about with the flip-flopping on Xyre, I'm pretty sure I was always against the lynch.
I always have a hard time keeping up with the beginning of big games. When it gets less confusing I become more active and understand what's going on a bit better.
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I never said that he wasn't against the Cubus' wagon. I said that the way that he opposed it came across to me as scum trying to avoid a lynch of someone that they know isn't mafia with them. The entirety of his opposition can be summed up as accusing those of us that were against Cubus as overreacting.
Essentially, look at how CP defends Cubus, and compare that to how Arimnaes avoids the Cubus wagon. CPs post come across to me as very town-ish. Arimnaes posts really don't.
Sidenote, im asking to be replaced...i have not been as active as ive wanted to be in this game or view, and as such dont feel its fair to the other players.
Just giving yall notice.
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EDIT: Talking to Trei brought up a good point: it's really hard to read 700+ posts. I think, after the game hits 1200 posts, I'll cut the replacement list and go to modkills for players who don't post (egregiously).
"Extraordinary in some bad way" does not not describe the lurking of very many players in the game. Heck, at the average rate of posting we've had today so far, it wouldn't really even be lurking at all if someone had 1 post in 100. Of course, that'll slow down, and the lurkers will become more obvious, but that is not an issue this early in the game.
The game's only been going for three weeks or so, so I'd say that only those people with fewer than seven to ten posts are guilty of "egregious" lurking. Fayul, swinkee, and Squiggler, in other words; and of those, Fayul and swinkee are rather well-known for their general lack of input, so this is nothing new. They'll start acting up once the game winnows out the biggest obscuring factors.
I'm a little surprised that loran wants to be replaced, though, especially right at the time that attention is turning back an issue he seemed to have a fair bit to say about, before. I think this might make his replacement worth pressuring a little.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Do you know what egregiously means? If you modkill everyone that fits those qualifications, you'll modkill half of the playerbase.
What I meant is that I'm giving players a break. I don't think anyone's lurked to the point of not posting whatsoever, which is okay with me. Now, if swinkee and company don't post again in fifty posts, then I'm going to get concerned, but at this point in the game, as long as I'm under the impression they are posting on a (albeit rather spread-out) consistent basis, then I'm okay.
It's flip-flopping because you go from a strictly in favor "willing to test his claim" (presumably through lynching him) to "lynching him is ridiculous" all in the same post.
Flip-flopping is where a person seems to be endorsing two points of view simultaneously, which, in mafia, is often a scum tell.
Initial reaction is that WoD is just sloppy, not scummy. Bertrand's reaction of 'being confused by big posts' is not sitting well with me. That sounds very much like a cop-out.
I still haven't completely caught up, though, once I do, I'll put forth another player-by-player analysis. Probably this weekend.
It's flip-flopping because you go from a strictly in favor "willing to test his claim" (presumably through lynching him) to "lynching him is ridiculous" all in the same post.
Flip-flopping is where a person seems to be endorsing two points of view simultaneously, which, in mafia, is often a scum tell.
Whoa, now you're putting words in my mouth. Nowhere in that post does it say I want to lynch him. Test = through results, obviously. There's no point confirming dead people.
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"Extraordinary in some bad way" does not not describe the lurking of very many players in the game. Heck, at the average rate of posting we've had today so far, it wouldn't really even be lurking at all if someone had 1 post in 100. Of course, that'll slow down, and the lurkers will become more obvious, but that is not an issue this early in the game.
The game's only been going for three weeks or so, so I'd say that only those people with fewer than seven to ten posts are guilty of "egregious" lurking. Fayul, swinkee, and Squiggler, in other words; and of those, Fayul and swinkee are rather well-known for their general lack of input, so this is nothing new. They'll start acting up once the game winnows out the biggest obscuring factors.
I'm a little surprised that loran wants to be replaced, though, especially right at the time that attention is turning back an issue he seemed to have a fair bit to say about, before. I think this might make his replacement worth pressuring a little.
If you know Loran at all, then you'd know that he isn't the kind of player to just replace out of a game for game-related reasons. I for one will not support any pressure on his replacement for this reason alone.
If you know Loran at all, then you'd know that he isn't the kind of player to just replace out of a game for game-related reasons. I for one will not support any pressure on his replacement for this reason alone.
Well, loran isn't the type of player to replace out of a game for any reason. That's what makes this so odd.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Well, I'm the replacement, and I'm starting to read now. (Followed the game early on when all talk was on lynching the Mod.) The weird thing, I don't know who I'm replacing, though I assume it's Loran. Does anyone want to tell me the current issues so I know what to look for while I read?
I think this game deserves a deadline due to the decrease in focus. I'll set a tentative deadline of 16 March at 6:00 PM MST. That should give you enough time to wrap it up. If activity stays up and you ask for an extension, I'll probably give it.
If you hit the deadline without a majority, the player(s) with the most votes will be lynched.
Right now, I have to look at WoD here. You try to continue the Cubus wagon, after it completely subsided, and state no reason other than the old reason, that was decided as bad. Vote WoD. I really dont like how you did that. @The loran thing, Loran is deffinatly not the type of player to replace out, and this confuses me. Maybe he just got busy. After the game, I will ask him about it. WELCOME TREIGHT
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I'm at the end of page 14 (40ppp natch post 560), and going to bed, but here are my thoughts: (Note, I did glance at this thread a few times earlier, thus my opinions are tainted by knowledge of serge's alignment, and something about Cubus claiming indestructible.)
I don't find Cubus' death faking at all scummy. It's something I would have likely done given the same role. (Granted, I would have done it with either alignment.) Other than that, I haven't gotten a read on him, though I eagerly await finding his claim.
I think that Hyram is no less scummy now than he was when he originally claimed. We've gotten distracted from him, but his claim being true does nothing to clear him.
Arimnaes also strikes me as quite scummy, not so much for the PBPA which was only slightly more biased than average, but for his vig directing. Immediately upon discovering a day vig (1 shot at that), he tells him whom to fire on with a decent amount of certainty. It's not until ~20 posts later that he says we should reach consensus and extract a claim before vigging. My thought here is that he saw Hyram as a newer player, and hopped that he might take an impulsive action thus resulting in a day kill (and likely misslynch), and qualified only after he saw that it wasn't going to happen. Note that given these reads, it's unlikely that they're both scum together.
I also have a hunch on WoD starting with his hypocrisy filled 497. I'll have to go back and see if it bears out. (And probably won't want to do that for a while after reading this thread once.)
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Basically, the reason I want to lynch cubus, aside from his rather scummy plays, is because this game honestly confuses the hell out of me - And Cubus is one of the biggest factors there. I think we should lynch him and see what happens, to be completely honest.
I'm a little frustrated w/ this game right now. I feel like there's too much random bull**** like Xyre the half mod/half player/half DYH, Cubus being dead but not really, etc. Too much stuff that causes a wide array of responses and makes it possible to get any real reads on people.
That having been said,my money is still on Arimnaes as scum.
I am rather strained right now due to something known as "mid-term tests." I'll answer CP's post when I can get a longer period of time in which to do so.
Here's another thing for thought. Does Cubus have a role name? As much as I don't think he's the lynch for the day, I think his rolename might explain his flavor much better since he has already claimed.
I'm a little frustrated w/ this game right now. I feel like there's too much random bull**** like Xyre the half mod/half player/half DYH, Cubus being dead but not really, etc. Too much stuff that causes a wide array of responses and makes it possible to get any real reads on people.
That having been said,my money is still on Arimnaes as scum.
Now, if swinkee and company don't post again in fifty posts, then I'm going to get concerned, but at this point in the game, as long as I'm under the impression they are posting on a (albeit rather spread-out) consistent basis, then I'm okay.
I don't know about Fayul or Squiggler, but I've been feeling like **** the last couple of weeks. Tomorrow/Monday, I will reread, take notes, and then post a general overview of my impressions. Yes, I promised I'd do that last week, and didn't. This time I will.
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I don't know about Fayul or Squiggler, but I've been feeling like **** the last couple of weeks. Tomorrow/Monday, I will reread, take notes, and then post a general overview of my impressions. Yes, I promised I'd do that last week, and didn't. This time I will.
What happened to your fake posting restriction thing?
Also, I want to point out that what Swinkee is doing here is exactly what MMoD did for the entire game of Magic Mafia. In which he turned up scum.
You're all stepping away from Cubus and look around the room. "Wait a minute, we're missing someone." You then each in turn look at swinkee, who's been sitting back and coughing a lot.
He looks up and hacks up more phlegm. "For serious? I'm here, people, just not talking much." He looks down again and you all turn away... but only for a moment. He stands up and his eyes are bloodshot and quite scary. He walks up silently behind Cyan and quickly wraps his arm around his neck. "Nobody moves or he loses his head."
You all turn around quickly and notice this with surprise. "Now, let's calm down, dude." ZDS yells.
"Shut up, mortal. You have no idea what you're dealing with. My pawn crossed the line, so I have to take my own action here."
"Who are you?" Hyram asks with a look of panic on his face.
"Swinkee" laughs. "Poor fools. My name is Mephistopheles and I am your god now." He laughs again, a screeching, painful sound that echoes across the hall. Even the men in the masks on the edges are looking panicked, fingering their guns anxiously.
"Now, I think I'll start by taking out our friend here..." As the muscles in "Swinkee's" arms being to tighten and Cyan's face becomes a ghostly white, one of the men in the masks steps out of the crowd, lifts his gun, and fires a long, staccato round into "Swinkee". Hot, sticky blood spurts out from the pretender's chest. He releases Cyan, who falls to the ground, and turns to look at the man in the mask before he too falls to the ground. The man then drags his body from the room.
The leader of the masked men appears as if from nowhere. "I'm sorry for this intrusion. It seems we've let in a few unsavory characters for this process." And just as quickly, he leaves.
"Who are you?" Creampuffeater yells.
But the man's already gone.
Swinkee, Jimmy Card, the Pastor's Son - Demonic Townie/Neutral Serial Killer Backup, has been modkilled.
Oh, the hilarity of it all. Anyway, a backup SK is probably a fine kill at this stage.
Now that View Askew's proceedings are just about wrapped up, I have time to do a proper reread and finger all teh scumz. Also, a bunch of snow has started dropping on my house, so I probably don't have to worry about school tomorrow.
It's a shame that no one realized that swinkee was lurking scum anyway.
Can we please actually do something in this game? Basically nothing has happened for quite a few days now. Surely people have some idea as to whom they think is scum, etc. I still think we should be looking at Arimnaes.
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Ok, by that logic, we should never lynch anyone.
The general concensus is tha we believe Cubus is unlynchable and at worst would cause a no lynch. Where does that not leave room for an investigation/tracking/watching tonight? I personally do not believe it will cause a no-lynch, I think it will just be chalked up as a joke-lynch and not end the day. (Just like when we tried to lynch the mod in SC mafia.)
1.) I didn't play dead, I didn't claim to be unlynch/kill-able, and (at this point in time) I'm not the one standing centerstage with a lynch-crew behind me, so I would say that I haven't done anything to warrent NOT leavinv me alone at this point in time.
2.) His alignment, as well as the honesty about his role is in question. If someone is blatently lieing about their role, then they are not pro-town.
3.) We CAN test his honesty, by attempting to lynch him.
Attempting to lynch someone who claims unlychable is not "something stupid" It's pursuing a possible avenue of information. Yes, there are other avenues, but lets finish checking this path before we jump onto another. Cubus hasn't given us any reason not to continue pursuing him, and ever since being asked to claim, he's not been acting in the towns best interest. When someone doesn't act in the towns best interest, that's when I start believing them to be anti-town. I believe he is anti-town, possibly neutral, not only because of his actions, but because he claimed that we can't kill him. That doesn't sound town to me, so he should be tested.
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1. He has claimed to have a posting aside from that, and IIRC he implied that the third person-speaking was somewhat role relevant, so whether it was scummy or not can only be effectively judged with a claim.
2. This is somewhat valid, but his initial defense was when the case was solely over Cubus' gambit and after that he had said that Cubus was probably neutral a couple times so I don't consider this a major flip.
3. He was pretty consistently anti-serge so 526 seems more like a continuation of that than anything else to me. What part makes you feel like he thought serge would turn up town?
4. This seems like a valid point. The sentence referred to is just plain wierd because the answer to the first part of the question is clearly "no" if its actually a question worth asking. Whenever someone is "automatically cleared" it should be fairly obvious that they are, otherwise its not automatic. The second part also shouldn't really be part of a question since it is obvious that his claimed ability is confirmed.
5. The directing attention itself isn't scummy. If you think the town isn't paying as much attention to something you deem worthy of attention then directing them towards it is fine. What's scummy about it is that he had earlier specifically opposed going after either of us (post 462) and then suggests going back to discussing whether one of use should be lynched.
6. I don't really see what's so crafty in this post.
So I don't agree with most of the case, but just off of 4 and 5 I'm not horribly averse to a wagon in that direction. FOS: Dagger
I still don't find him scummier than WoD so I won't move my vote. WoD hasn't exactly been looking any less scummy in his few recent posts and I still highly encourage others to take a look at him.
3CB and 4CB5CB!WoLG: This is my last say on the matter until you come up with some real evidence. Please, at the very least, realize that by dragging this out, you are distracting the town from productive discussion.
Umm, no. Maybe you weren't paying attention. By that logic, we should never lynch anyone who might have a role that would drastically hurt the town if it was lynched. Big difference.
A general consensus of one, maybe. Several people have speculated that this might be the case, but just assuming it would be downright foolhardy, as most of the town seems to realize. That's why the wagon has, for the most part, disintegrated.
So I can call you foolhardy now, right? Your personal belief does not make it so, and you haven't even tried to back up your opinion with examples or logic of any kind.
Exactly my point. Did you even read the post, or did you just copy-paste it for the sake of argument? I'll have to remember that not playing dead or claiming to be unlynchable is all it takes to convince the town that I'm not a danger to them. It'll be a very useful tactic, especially when I'm scum.
Sarcasm aside, playing dead and claiming to be unlynchable are not indicators of a dangerous role. I have claimed this repeatedly, citing multiple examples. All you've said in response is basically, "Yes, they are."
Again with the flat contradictions! I am saying - have said multiple times, in fact - that Cubus may not even know more about his role, so we cannot judge the claim based on what Cubus has said. His honesty on the issue is not at stake. If you're just going to deny me, you actually have to say why.
Okay, pardon me. We can't test his honesty without being retards.
Attempting to lynch someone who claims to be unkillable, however, is.
Why pick the path least likely to give us a correctable situation?
Yes he has. He's claimed unkillable. Moreover, the case against him is idiotic.
Unless you can somehow back any of this up with facts, this is opinion. Also, unless Cubus is actually unnightkillable and immune to investigations, his claim is an unbelievably stupid one to just make up, considering that he'd be found out the very next day, at no cost to the town. The odds that he's just lying about his role are truly miniscule.
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I'm more sold on pursuing Arimnaes than I am Dagger. As such, Unvote, Vote Arimnaes
Very well, I'll admit it. My role name cracked me up. It tickled my fancy. It spurred me to speak in 3rd person for a short while till I got tired of it. If you like, you can assume the 3rd-person-speaking as a soft claim of sorts.
What Chimp said. I already stated very early on before Cubus revealed himself that Cubus might be a neutral. I said I can see Cubus make that gambit as a town, a fact that you so zealously defend. I also said that I wanted him to claim because I believed him to be a neutral and didn't trust him to be pro-town. In fact, I repeated this several times. I don't see where the 'drastically' part comes in. That been said, I don't really believe Cubus can't be killed no matter what. If what he said is the truth, then it'll only cement my conviction that he's a neutral, as was already stated by a few other players.
At that point of time, I still considered serge to be a scum. However, I was repeatedly told that continuing to vote for serge is a bad idea because if Hyram was speaking the truth, then he's going to die in a week's time anyway. Are you telling me otherwise?
Looking back at post #526, where did I imply that serge being anti-Cubus made my vote on Cubus looked better? I believed serge to be scum. If anything, him being anti-Cubus made my vote on Cubus looked worse, a fact that I laid out in the same post.
"accepting that he shouldn't be today's lynch, like the rest of the town"? Which rest of the town? You cited post #620. I urge you to scroll down from there and look through the subsequent posts. The next person to question that fact was Sutherlands. And below again, there were even more people continuing to discuss this fact. By the implication of this post, you believed that Hyram is a scum. And yet you, like 'the rest of the town', believed he shouldn't be today's lynch as you claimed? I find that horribly contradictory.
Also, are you saying that those who didn't accept that Hyram shouldn't be today's lynch are scums since you seem intent on linking me with him, a person you suspected to be a scum? Again, a contradiction.
@Chimp: You are assuming every post a person makes must be carefully thought out. It was just a question that I asked aloud of the town to see what they think. The town is not a single entity, but rather many people with different opinions. If I am so sure that what I think is what the town think, then we don't really need to play mafia anymore.
I have issues with the 'clearly know' part. Who are you to judge what the town is interested in?
@Chimp: I did specifically oppose going after each of you. However, when I made that post, I was rather tired of the constant rehashing of the same points in the Cubus' arguments. The next point of interest I could come up with right at the top of my head to cite as an example was the Chimp/Wuffles dilemma. And if you must know, based on the settings of this game that I have seen so far, I am having second thoughts about lynching one of you.
"Calculated"? You seem fond of attaching scummy-sounding words to statements you made against others. I merely wanted to avoid the town mistaking my intention. Cyan did it once already in post #651.
Also, I did not say Cubus is being evasive and vague. I said Cubus' CLAIM is evasive and vague. How can "Well.. It's pretty obvious what a dead man can do, or rather, what a dead man can't do." not sounding evasive and vague?
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The thing with Loran is definetely telling as well, however.
I'm not really feeling a bertrand lynch. That is essentially a lurker lynch, and I feel like that is inappropriate right now.
I can agree with a wagon on Arim, atm. The case on Loran was pretty week, and I'll have to re-read his reactions to the cubus wagon, but my notes have him as "dodgey". I would also like to point out that he wanted Hyram to fire at a target as soon as possible, which isn't exactly in the best intrests of the town.
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I'm getting really tired of claims like these. "I have information that makes this look less scummy, but I can't/won't tell you what it is." I'll back off from the point, but it's going to come back to this at some point, you must realize. You aren't off the hook.
I reviewed every single one of your posts, and can only find one place where you say that he's likely anti-town, and it's in the post I referenced. You speculated that he might be neutral very early on, before he even started posting for real, based purely on the "I guess" argument. So you're publicly saying that you don't think Cubus' gambit was scummy, and the only things convincing you of his likely neutral-ness are two random words thrown into a bah post, and speculation about what his role might be? That's an incredibly weak set of points to found any kind of opinion on.
Moreover, this is not an opinion that you've maintained. Once Cubus actually came out and started playing, you never even mentioned the possibility of him being neutral again until the wagon was well and truly underway, and at first, it seemed like a defense (i.e. he's not scum, he's neutral), especially in light of your active defense of him up to that point. You very abruptly changed to the stance that he's probably anti-town quite late in the process, and it stemmed from absolutely no new information.
I'll drop the point. I don't specifically recall what it was that brought this point up, so I can't really take it any further. It's possible that I was viewing it with hindsight, serge having been half-cop and all.
Pardon me. I should have said that it was the consensus. In any case, most people decided that Hyram should be saved for another day, and a few people wanted to go back him (you might note that I was one of the latter group, too, so your point is kind of moot. You were the only one trying to clear him. Considering that every single other person in the game did not even consider the possibility of him being cleared, this behavior stands out as being rather suspect, don't you think?
No, I didn't say that, nor do I think that. Not a contradiction.
Very few posts in mafia are ever very carefully thought out. However, almost all posts have a motive involved. What it looks like is that your motive was to try to make Hyram proving his ability into Hyram being cleared.
This was not the first time this topic had been brought to the town. If you had really wanted to discuss it from where the town left off, you'd have actually gone back and looked at that part of the thread. The fact that you thought there was still discussion to be had shows that you didn't. Seriously, where would you even have started?
What makes the most sense is that you wanted to start the discussion over from the beginning in hopes of getting a different result. This is especially enlightening in view of your original stance on the pair, as Chimp points out. More inconsistencies.
I'll give you the claiming thing. I misread the timing. But since when is "calculated" a scummy-sounding word?
Anyway, if I were really suspicious, I might accuse you of psychology. "If I insist I my point of view on the wagon was honest, and no one calls me on it, then plenty of people who read my post will naturally assume they have license to claim that their stance was honest, too. Then the bandwagon can continue, but I still won't have to be the one pushing it."
Obviously, that had to be nipped in the bud. But I'm not accusing you of so much forethought. I'm just accusing you of trying to make yourself look good by making sure no one could miss the fact that you had claimed to be on the wagon because he was neutral, not scummy.
I'd also like to point out, as I did above, that your stance on the wagon is no more supportable than others'. The thing I really wonder at is how you managed to come to the conclusions you did. Your motivation for being on the wagon is actually much smaller than the others', since you were being honest with yourself. However, being completely honest, the tiny toothpicks of evidence you had gathered to support your theory barely even justified you posting your suspicions, let alone supporting the wagon on him.
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However, Arim's loran fiasco and his avoidance of the cubus wagon, as Cyan pointed out have are both relitively scummy.
Vote Arimnaes.
For pressure. Maybe
... Maybe he can enlighten us on why he avoided the cubus wagon.
I don't recall any outside source ever debunking my PBPA on loran. Might I inquire how it has become fact that it was weak and that I look scummy for having made it?
Re: The Cubus Wagon: Several people have accused me of "avoiding" this wagon. That seems to imply that I sat back and didn't commit myself to an opinion one way or the other, which simply isn't the case. I don't understand now and have never understood why Cubus' actions at the beginning of the game were scummy. Hence, with a wagon materializing seemingly out of nowhere, especially with a lot of people echoing each other without contributing anything new to the discussion, I fought against the wagon tooth and nail.
The fact that loran was one of the first (if not the first) to jump on Cubus for a play that I don't see as scummy is one of the primary reasons loran drew my attention as a suspect in the first place.
What the heck.
Unvote, Vote Wrath_of_Dog. It's been generally decided that Cubus is not a great lynch target at the moment, or so the tide of votes being moved off of him would have me believe. I already found you scummy (as I stated in my one long post of the game) and Chimp's points have only solidified this opinion. I'm happy with this vote.
Get with the times. WoD.
No, he's not. At best we're getting a neutral on day one, which is unlikely, and at worst we're no lynching on day one, which is suicide.
I don't know if it's me, or if I'm just bad at this game, but when I see pages and pages of long posts full of quotes and long responses, I just get confused. I don't know what you're talking about with the flip-flopping on Xyre, I'm pretty sure I was always against the lynch.
I always have a hard time keeping up with the beginning of big games. When it gets less confusing I become more active and understand what's going on a bit better.
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Essentially, look at how CP defends Cubus, and compare that to how Arimnaes avoids the Cubus wagon. CPs post come across to me as very town-ish. Arimnaes posts really don't.
Vote Bertrand.
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The game's only been going for three weeks or so, so I'd say that only those people with fewer than seven to ten posts are guilty of "egregious" lurking. Fayul, swinkee, and Squiggler, in other words; and of those, Fayul and swinkee are rather well-known for their general lack of input, so this is nothing new. They'll start acting up once the game winnows out the biggest obscuring factors.
I'm a little surprised that loran wants to be replaced, though, especially right at the time that attention is turning back an issue he seemed to have a fair bit to say about, before. I think this might make his replacement worth pressuring a little.
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How is that flip-flopping? I don't get it. Have I been playing all this time with an incorrect decision of flip-flopping?
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What I meant is that I'm giving players a break. I don't think anyone's lurked to the point of not posting whatsoever, which is okay with me. Now, if swinkee and company don't post again in fifty posts, then I'm going to get concerned, but at this point in the game, as long as I'm under the impression they are posting on a (albeit rather spread-out) consistent basis, then I'm okay.
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Flip-flopping is where a person seems to be endorsing two points of view simultaneously, which, in mafia, is often a scum tell.
I still haven't completely caught up, though, once I do, I'll put forth another player-by-player analysis. Probably this weekend.
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Whoa, now you're putting words in my mouth. Nowhere in that post does it say I want to lynch him. Test = through results, obviously. There's no point confirming dead people.
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Well, loran isn't the type of player to replace out of a game for any reason. That's what makes this so odd.
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I don't find Cubus' death faking at all scummy. It's something I would have likely done given the same role. (Granted, I would have done it with either alignment.) Other than that, I haven't gotten a read on him, though I eagerly await finding his claim.
I think that Hyram is no less scummy now than he was when he originally claimed. We've gotten distracted from him, but his claim being true does nothing to clear him.
Arimnaes also strikes me as quite scummy, not so much for the PBPA which was only slightly more biased than average, but for his vig directing. Immediately upon discovering a day vig (1 shot at that), he tells him whom to fire on with a decent amount of certainty. It's not until ~20 posts later that he says we should reach consensus and extract a claim before vigging. My thought here is that he saw Hyram as a newer player, and hopped that he might take an impulsive action thus resulting in a day kill (and likely misslynch), and qualified only after he saw that it wasn't going to happen. Note that given these reads, it's unlikely that they're both scum together.
I also have a hunch on WoD starting with his hypocrisy filled 497. I'll have to go back and see if it bears out. (And probably won't want to do that for a while after reading this thread once.)
EBWODP: It would appear I'm not the only one looking at WoD and Arimnaes.
That having been said,my money is still on Arimnaes as scum.
Here's another thing for thought. Does Cubus have a role name? As much as I don't think he's the lynch for the day, I think his rolename might explain his flavor much better since he has already claimed.
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Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Apparently I add up to more than one person.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
I don't know about Fayul or Squiggler, but I've been feeling like **** the last couple of weeks. Tomorrow/Monday, I will reread, take notes, and then post a general overview of my impressions. Yes, I promised I'd do that last week, and didn't. This time I will.
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What happened to your fake posting restriction thing?
Also, I want to point out that what Swinkee is doing here is exactly what MMoD did for the entire game of Magic Mafia. In which he turned up scum.
He looks up and hacks up more phlegm. "For serious? I'm here, people, just not talking much." He looks down again and you all turn away... but only for a moment. He stands up and his eyes are bloodshot and quite scary. He walks up silently behind Cyan and quickly wraps his arm around his neck. "Nobody moves or he loses his head."
You all turn around quickly and notice this with surprise. "Now, let's calm down, dude." ZDS yells.
"Shut up, mortal. You have no idea what you're dealing with. My pawn crossed the line, so I have to take my own action here."
"Who are you?" Hyram asks with a look of panic on his face.
"Swinkee" laughs. "Poor fools. My name is Mephistopheles and I am your god now." He laughs again, a screeching, painful sound that echoes across the hall. Even the men in the masks on the edges are looking panicked, fingering their guns anxiously.
"Now, I think I'll start by taking out our friend here..." As the muscles in "Swinkee's" arms being to tighten and Cyan's face becomes a ghostly white, one of the men in the masks steps out of the crowd, lifts his gun, and fires a long, staccato round into "Swinkee". Hot, sticky blood spurts out from the pretender's chest. He releases Cyan, who falls to the ground, and turns to look at the man in the mask before he too falls to the ground. The man then drags his body from the room.
The leader of the masked men appears as if from nowhere. "I'm sorry for this intrusion. It seems we've let in a few unsavory characters for this process." And just as quickly, he leaves.
"Who are you?" Creampuffeater yells.
But the man's already gone.
Swinkee, Jimmy Card, the Pastor's Son - Demonic Townie/Neutral Serial Killer Backup, has been modkilled.
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Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Now that View Askew's proceedings are just about wrapped up, I have time to do a proper reread and finger all teh scumz. Also, a bunch of snow has started dropping on my house, so I probably don't have to worry about school tomorrow.
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Can we please actually do something in this game? Basically nothing has happened for quite a few days now. Surely people have some idea as to whom they think is scum, etc. I still think we should be looking at Arimnaes.