We have only his word on that. I didn't support a Cubus wagon yesterday as I didn't find his actions scummy and don't feel like lynching just to see. However, when he's acting scummy, I find it relevant to discover what our options actually are.
Ok, there's so many things wrong with this post. First of all, the fact that he's dead is something to go on besides his word. Also, you're voting him to find out what our options are? And he wasn't scummy yesterday but magically became scummy today? What?
You pretty much nailed in Ged. I don't believe that there is role in this game that can't be removed from it. I'm testing our options because I think killing him (permanently) is the right play. If he doesn't die then we can be reasonably assured he isn't anti town. I didn't see anything scummy on him yesterday. (I would have done about the same with that role.) However, he posts today, have struck me as quite scummy.
Is there something there that I didn't make clear in my initial post?
The way that wagon built up speed so fast is rather suspicous to me. I think our best bet would be to go back and look at wuffles. He's been acting scummy all game, and doesn't have a win condition at the moment, which is rather suspicous to me. Wuffles, do you know when you'll be getting a win condition?
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You pretty much nailed in Ged. I don't believe that there is role in this game that can't be removed from it. I'm testing our options because I think killing him (permanently) is the right play. If he doesn't die then we can be reasonably assured he isn't anti town. I didn't see anything scummy on him yesterday. (I would have done about the same with that role.) However, he posts today, have struck me as quite scummy.
Is there something there that I didn't make clear in my initial post?
I understood everything, I just thought it was BS.
A couple things: first of all, you should know by now that this game could have anything in it - including a player that couldn't be removed, or, more fairly and just as screwy with your logic, a player that just can't be lynched. Maybe he's scum and we can only vig him. Maybe he just has 1 extra life and we'll then think he's town to our demise. And so on. I'm just saying that if he survives, we're back where we started.
I can accept that you find him scummy today, but explaining why would help.
I also agree that this wagon has grown too fast, and that Wuffles is a good place to look next.
Thanks to the people who quashed the idiotic Cubus wagon before it got rolling again. For a minute there, I thought I was going to have to start banging my head against the wall. I'm also glad to see Wuffles getting some attention, though I'm going to have to reread to see if it's really justified. My gut says it is, though.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
@ everyone who has posted doubts or suspicions about me, Most of yesterday, i was for a cubus lynch, and most of today, ive been questioning the Wuffles thing, and im sorry, but the ENTIRE situation seems off to me.
There is something in my gut that says to avoid agreement with Treigit, because, something in my gut tells me he's scum. But at the same time, there is SUCH an unknown quality about Cubus that its impossible to put my finger on, or get any real reading.
At current, my top Four suspects/People i want to know ALOT more about:
1. Wuffles
2. Cubus
3. Treigit
4. XYH.
1. His play has seemed off, his insanely pronounced defence of WoD seemed off, his Lack of a win condition seems off.
2. I simply DO NOT buy that we cannot remove him from the game. There is something broken about an utterly unkillable ANYTHING.
3. He claims he cannot be killed because the kill is redirected to someone else. He claims he cannot be investigated because it gets redirected.
Lastly, what about his "random investigative results" that he said he would have?
4. His play day one and two has seemed off. Day 1 it wasnt enough for me to notice too much, but so far today, alot of his posts have seemed to rub me the wrong way.
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3. He claims he cannot be killed because the kill is redirected to someone else. He claims he cannot be investigated because it gets redirected.
Lastly, what about his "random investigative results" that he said he would have?
4. His play day one and two has seemed off. Day 1 it wasnt enough for me to notice too much, but so far today, alot of his posts have seemed to rub me the wrong way.
Assuming these apply to XYH and Treigit respectively:
XYH: I'm confident that his claim yesterday meant this: killing him will kill DYH. Investigating him will investigate DYH. Targeting him in any way will instead target DYH. As for the investigation, let me remind you that he said he would 'reveal the alignment of a random player each morning'. He did that - see Squiggler and Cyan.
He copped out of his claim. I thought we'd gone over this yesterday.
Treigit: Keep in mind he replaced Loran. I didn't like Loran's play, either.
I'm sorry for not posting much lately, but I've been keeping up. I think that a rehashing of the Cubus wagon is not a good idea, and I can't believe people brought it up again. I am also suspicious of the people who hopped on so quickly.
I would be happy with some pressure on Fayul at the moment. Unvote, Vote Fayul
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Fayul could be looked at a bit, but I dont like the whole cubus arguement. Cubus at WORST would be a SK, and with a backup SK dead, who knows. IF he WAS another nuetral of sorts, would killing him DAY 2 when we HAVE lots of other leads be a good thing. I just think that even if you dont believe him, when you way in these facts, there is basically no reason to lynch him. I am not actually sure who I want to look at, but I guess I could look at Wuff/Fayul, I dont think XYH is scum currently.
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CPE, I agree, if cubus can't die, he's at worst neutral (though Sk still seems too strong). However, I don't believe that he can't die, and I think he's been the scummiest (non-mason) today.
XYH, can you give us flavor on why you get different people's results each time?
Wow, the wagon on me is horrible and unfounded. Whenever one of the top points against someone is "etc.", it's not really a strong play.
Also, Unvote, Vote: WolG
Agressive, out-of-character play. It's like he's trying to be Cyan, but he doesn't have a track record of trying to be like Cyan.
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, the wisdom to know the difference, and a ****ing chainsaw.
Wow, the wagon on me is horrible and unfounded. Whenever one of the top points against someone is "etc.", it's not really a strong play.
Also, Unvote, Vote: WolG
Agressive, out-of-character play. It's like he's trying to be Cyan, but he doesn't have a track record of trying to be like Cyan.
Pardon me for a moment while I go pound my head into a wall repeatedly...
1.) What are you attempting to accomplish by voting me without giving a solid reason?
2.) A vote on me is horrible and unfounded. Whenever one of the top points against someone is "they are playing differently," it's not really a strong play.
If you would pay the SLIGHTEST...and I do mean the VERY MINIMAL amout of attention to ANY of the games you were playing in, you would understand that I'm trying to make a point here.
Truthfully, and tho this may bite me in the ass, ive only been getting townie vibes from WoLG, and i dont, in the slightest, blame him for the frustration. These games on mtgs are going insanely long, and getting too convoluted.
Truthfully, either we test Cubus, *which i see NO downside too. Seriously, with NO proof other then his word, we're letting him off?* or we randomly wagon someone new, since atm, we have NO cases.
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WolG, people DO NOT change playstyles, and stop bieng stubborn. I really want to have a big I TOLD YOU SO for coron, but lets not drag other games into this. As for not getting lynched on this site, I think its time to start Unvote (If voting) Vote WolG Stop acting so damn cocky, just cause you dont think it will happen doesnt mean we wont try to stop it.
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Well, things are picking up a little; it shouldn't be too hard to pick out a good target from the wagons that have happened recently. I'm still not getting good vibes from Wuffles, and I think I'm going to check Kenji's posts, too. Expect some content fairly soon, hopefully tonight.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Truthfully, and tho this may bite me in the ass, ive only been getting townie vibes from WoLG, and i dont, in the slightest, blame him for the frustration. These games on mtgs are going insanely long, and getting too convoluted.
Truthfully, either we test Cubus, *which i see NO downside too. Seriously, with NO proof other then his word, we're letting him off?* or we randomly wagon someone new, since atm, we have NO cases.
Says that he thinks Wolg is innocent but leaves his foot in the door.
The downside to lynching Cubus is no-lynching. I've asked before, and so has he. I'll ask it again: why is he scummy, exactly? And what's this about not having cases? I've presented a light one on Treigit. I could easily post one on you (on, say, Sunday when I'm back from vacation). There's one on Wuffles, and there's one on Cubus. OH, and Wolg and Bert.
The fact that I've interpreted your play as new and / or bad rather than scummy is all that's keeping me from jumping on you, StormBlind.
The way that wagon built up speed so fast is rather suspicous to me. I think our best bet would be to go back and look at wuffles. He's been acting scummy all game, and doesn't have a win condition at the moment, which is rather suspicous to me. Wuffles, do you know when you'll be getting a win condition?
Finds me suspicious because I have no win condition (HAY THX MOD YOU RULE CAN I HAVE A WIN CONDITION YET? )
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Posts like this are what make me wary of Wuffles. He claims no win condition, then states that he needs to survive.
Rehashes the same basic argument. However, he is totally mistaken – “surviving” is NOT my win condition – only what I was told by MOD that I should strive for until I get my win condition. Looks like he was trying to make me look more suspicious without seeming like it.
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I think I agree with pursuing Wuffles today, and think a little more pressure is needed. His defense of Hyram, as well as the first few posts of his lead me to a Vote: Wuffles.
He claims that he currently has no win condition, is this the same for you Chimp, or would you rather not say?
I have already answered why I was supporting Hyram, RTFT, kthx. And again with the “no way can he not have a win condition” bollocks.
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1.) No, it isn't, not on this site.
2.) I've explained why I thought you were scummy in the past, and those reasons still apply.
Your lack of (as far as I'm concerned) reading the thread is going to get you lynched one day, Wuff.
Seriously, RTFT or get lynched. (I assume “RTFT” means “Read The ****ing Thread”?)
These are the only posts you even HAVE that refer to me.
I have answered your questions several times, and your brazen arrogance is really pissing me off, frankly. You tell me to RTFT, yet if YOU were to reread, you’d see I have already answered your questions. I’m not telling you to put up or shut up, I’m just telling you to shut up, and DON’T BE A FREAKING HYPOCRITE.
*pushes Wuffles buttons >.>* I actually am very mad at WolGs arrogance aswell, but I think we need somemore posting here, as I would like to know if theres something else somebody saw, and could be a better reason to wagon somebody.
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CPE, you have 9 posts in this thread. You haven't really done much to try to push the day anywhere, yet you feel the need to vote me because you don't like my playstyle? How about being productive and actually giving some solid reasons for voting me that, you know, make sense?
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As for not getting lynched on this site, I think its time to start Unvote (If voting) Vote WolG Stop acting so damn cocky, just cause you dont think it will happen doesnt mean we wont try to stop it.[/vote]
Also, what did this mean?
[quote=Wuffles_II;/comments/10524182]Finds me suspicious because I have no win condition (HAY THX MOD YOU RULE CAN I HAVE A WIN CONDITION YET? )
Rehashes the same basic argument. However, he is totally mistaken – “surviving” is NOT my win condition – only what I was told by MOD that I should strive for until I get my win condition. Looks like he was trying to make me look more suspicious without seeming like it.
Hey Nancy, how about you calm it down just a tad?
1.) I find the fact that you have no win condition suspicous, why? Because at present, you do not win with the town, and that makes you scum until proven otherwise, imo.
2.) The way you stated that you want to survive is suspicious to me, and I was pointing out that I found it so. How is taht me trying to make you look MORE suspicious, when I already found you so?
I have already answered why I was supporting Hyram, RTFT, kthx. And again with the “no way can he not have a win condition” bollocks.
1.) You supported Hyram because you thought his 1 shot, week wait ability made him town. Hey guess what? He wasn't. Why should we think you are as well? For all we know, you could have the same ability.
2.) I find you, as well as chimp, suspicous due to the way in which you entered the game.
I have answered your questions several times, and your brazen arrogance is really pissing me off, frankly. You tell me to RTFT, yet if YOU were to reread, you’d see I have already answered your questions. I’m not telling you to put up or shut up, I’m just telling you to shut up, and DON’T BE A FREAKING HYPOCRITE.
Vote WOLG – LAL.
Calm down Bertha, you're making waves.
I've read your responses and your "answers" which basically surmised to "It's not my fault I don't have a win condition, so don't find me suspicous" and "I thought Hyram was town because we have similar roles". You have not attempted to defend your actions as whole, which is what I found scummy as well.
Also, nice impropper use of "LAL" there...just because you don't like the way I post, doesn't mean that you get to throw around terms incorrectly
Point out where I have lied, or YOU need to shut up.
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Atleast there better than my ~9 posts in Dota >.>. As far as reactions go to a small wagon, I like WolGs, he seems to handle it in a slightly townish way. Tell Wuff to calm down is strange, but ok. I am going to keep my vote on a bit, and the wagon wasnt more of a lynch him wagon for me, it was a change your ways/reaction vote.
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Not quite sure what was wrong with WOLG's style to begin with. He got a little prissy, but he was fine to begin with. Oh, WOLG, you may want to unvote yourself, too.
Not quite sure what was wrong with WOLG's style to begin with. He got a little prissy, but he was fine to begin with. Oh, WOLG, you may want to unvote yourself, too.
Wuffles, why did LAL apply to your vote on WOLG?
Because, in the most arrogant way possible, he told me I hadn't read the thread and hadn't answered his questions, as well as that he had already made a case on me (which, granted, was done in an extremely vague manner over several pages)
But he even sort of admits I had in fact answered his questions, it was (now) merely my "actions as a whole" that he found suspicious. Well, guess what, Wolg, you never even asked me to explain my "actions as a whole". In fact, that post seemed kind of like a damage control post - you're now trying not to "make me answer" your questions, but to just deny the conclusion of them.
So, 1. You were lying about me avoiding your questions and 2. You were lying about your reasons for voting me, if what you said in this last post is correct - it's because my "actions as a whole" have been scummy.
So, yeah, I did use the term correctly.
I'm sorry, but just because you think my actions have been scummy isn't a good enough reason, son. Your bluster has to be backed up by actual points sometime.
and yeah, your hypocritical posting style still ****ing ****es me off. If you'd actually read the thread before making that post I would be a little more tolerant, but yeah.
Sorry to everyone; my computer had some trouble with le internet.
@Treigit: I overhear things.
I'd like Wuffles to answer the question posed to him rather than blowing his top and getting overdefensive.
Vote: Bertrand I've disliked his recent play, it seems like every post starts with: "I don't agree with... or, I don't think this is a good idea...".
Then put something forward that is.
@Wuffles: Firstly, anyone calling someone 'arrogant' while often referring to people as "son" should take a hard look in the mirror. I realize WOLG threw out some names first, but this is not the first time I've seen you do it, and frankly, it's annoying.
Secondly, WOLG (and the original case) has enough on one point to make a case that could get anyone lynched. Need I remind you that you defended the mafia godfather? Not just any ol' scum, but the Godfather. If you (or anyone) don't think that changes things, you're sorely mistaken.
To say that his case is lacking is utter BS. You may not like the way he presented it, but the fact is, you're definitely among the scummiest players from day one. The only reason you haven't lynched, IMO, is because of people gaming the setup.
I'm becoming very wary of ZDS for his latest contributions, they seem quite different from what he was posting during the day. I need to go back and take a look at his earlier content.
EBWODP - I defended him to the extent that he clearly had an ability just like my delayed posting.
However, I have *also* already said that this was all my defence was based on - I did not know that the mafia kill would be a slow-shot 1-week poisoning, lol.
It is true, I should have seen the poisoning for what it was - but, hell, I was too far dug in to protecting Hyram at that point to see the trees through the leaves.
I had no reason beyond a gut feeling for trying to protect hyram. Only that this proves the mafia have at least one ability which goes off after a week's time.
And no, I'm not claiming. I do currrently have no win condition, however, and my name is Hillary Clinton, ( ) as everyone knows.
1.) Defending a mafia member generally racks up scum points. Defending the mafia GODFATHER racks up a little more.
2.) You state you were defending him based on the fact that you have a similar ability to the one Hyram claimed.
3.) You are "annoyed" at the fact that the town was lynching him based on a gut feeling, yet you are defending him based on a gut feeling.
Here are your first two posts of the day, deep into the heat of the first Hyram wagon:
I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE HYRAM IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
READ THE DAMNED POSTS, PLEASE.
Cyan, as usual, is impossible to get a read on, at least outside of "god i hate chamber".
1.) You pop in, claim role based information, attempting to save Hyram.
-You were using scare tactics, while being vague, to try to de-rail the wagon on someone who turned out to be the mafia godfather.
2.) You start throwing suspicion and calling Serge scum instantly, trying to further de-rail the wagon on Hyram.
(I'm not even going to start getting on you for your attitude all during day, and your constant flaming of Serge.)
Then when Hyram, the guy you were defending and thinking town, DAY POISONS Serge, the guy you were calling noob-scum, etc, etc, and serge comes up town, you post this:
Also, I find your purely "Jump on the bandwagon" vote of cubus today suspicious.
Every one of your posts in this game have been drenched in either arrogance, sarcasm, or general a$$h0l3 juice, and yet you have the nerve to call me arrogant? Your attitude this game has been pisspoor, and you've been not only unhelpful to the town, but decidedly helpful to scum.
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So, 1. You were lying about me avoiding your questions and 2. You were lying about your reasons for voting me, if what you said in this last post is correct - it's because my "actions as a whole" have been scummy.
So, yeah, I did use the term correctly.
I'm sorry, but just because you think my actions have been scummy isn't a good enough reason, son. Your bluster has to be backed up by actual points sometime.
and yeah, your hypocritical posting style still ****ing ****es me off. If you'd actually read the thread before making that post I would be a little more tolerant, but yeah.
Better reasons or die, scum
1.) No, you WERE avoiding my questions, you just kept saying "I already answered them" when in fact, you didn't answer them at all imo. You can't call me a liar for having a different opinion than you.
2.) PROVE that I lied about my reasons for voting you. They've basically been the same from the start, I've just expounded upon them as time has went on.
3.) Your arrogance and attitude this game has pi$$** me off, so I could care less. I've basically responded to you in the same way you've treated everyone else this game. If you can't take it, daughter, don't dish it out.
4.) You call me scum, yet you have no reasons what-so-ever for doing so. Your vote on me is nothing more than an OMGUS vote.
EBWODP - I defended him to the extent that he clearly had an ability just like my delayed posting.
However, I have *also* already said that this was all my defence was based on - I did not know that the mafia kill would be a slow-shot 1-week poisoning, lol.
It is true, I should have seen the poisoning for what it was - but, hell, I was too far dug in to protecting Hyram at that point to see the trees through the leaves.
[quote=Wuffles_II;/comments/10523181]I really think Hyram is going to turn up town, guys.
I'm really annoyed that this is based on nothing more than a gut feeling, except that he proved conclusively that he is a daykiller.
But, the mafia kill in the same way, probably, so I'm not entirely sure that my gut is right.[/quote]
Bolding by me. LAL?
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Well.. WOLG is 100% right on this, and I think Wuffles has acted scummy. However, the problem is that he and Chimpz both seem not to have a win condition, and thus are not scum. That's really a point to Wuffles' advantage, and I would've probably voted him if this wasn't the case.
I guess now I'm going to stick with my gut from earlier, and Vote bertrand. I think his play and lack of play so far are scummy enough to warrant it.
He claims he doesn't have a win condition. He could have been a late addition to the scum team, I mean, hell, Xyre pulled in FOUR players in the middle of the game.
Wuffles has acted all game like he has role based information about the mafia / the members within it. He has acted scummy all game. Just because he doesn't have a win condition at this second, doesn't mean he can't be part of the mafia.
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Ok, Wuff, since you apparently don't aggree with my previous way of showing your scumminess, let me go with this approach.
Your last post during day, after defending Hyram, the Mafia godfather:
Then your first post this evening:
1.) Defending a mafia member generally racks up scum points. Defending the mafia GODFATHER racks up a little more. Hmm, barning XYH now, are we? This is the first time you've mentioned this, don't act as if you'd already thought of it
2.) You state you were defending him based on the fact that you have a similar ability to the one Hyram claimed.
3.) You are "annoyed" at the fact that the town was lynching him based on a gut feeling, yet you are defending him based on a gut feeling. No, I was annoyed that the only reason I was defending him was because of a gut feeling, not because of the town lynching him on gut. I do understand how that post could be misinterpreted, though.
Here are your first two posts of the day, deep into the heat of the first Hyram wagon:
And
1.) You pop in, claim role based information, attempting to save Hyram.
-You were using scare tactics, while being vague, to try to de-rail the wagon on someone who turned out to be the mafia godfather.
2.) You start throwing suspicion and calling Serge scum instantly, trying to further de-rail the wagon on Hyram. Come on, man, you didn't think his "omfg I didn't mean to hammer please don't lynch me if that was the hammer i unvote" post reeked of scum? It obviously turned out to be just a noob mistake, but, hell. After his "screw this, vote x11" post, (copied from loran in court mafia, which annoyed me - he was obviously trying to leech his coolness) I was his enemy forever, pretty much. Plus, the seriously powerful role he had came off as a desperate gamble to me. But, yeah, my gut has been seriously wrong this game, so...
(I'm not even going to start getting on you for your attitude all during day, and your constant flaming of Serge.)
Constant? His "vote x 11" comment annoyed me. I let him know how lame it was, tis true.
Then when Hyram, the guy you were defending and thinking town, DAY POISONS Serge, the guy you were calling noob-scum, etc, etc, and serge comes up town, you post this:
Oh hey, you were wrong, yet you still act as if your "gut" is sufficent to keep Hyram from getting lynched.
It's true, I was wrong. I totally concede that my gut has been quite off this game. But that doesn't make me scum, it simply makes me stupid.
Also, I find your purely "Jump on the bandwagon" vote of cubus today suspicious. If people would be posting more, I'd get less irritated about stuff, I think. But games that slow down that much annoy me.
Every one of your posts in this game have been drenched in either arrogance, sarcasm, or general a$$h0l3 juice, and yet you have the nerve to call me arrogant? Your attitude this game has been pisspoor, and you've been not only unhelpful to the town, but decidedly helpful to scum. Oh, really? Blanket accusations like that, on the other hand, do not help the town at all. Nor do people that place votes for no reason, which is how this whole mess was started. I believe you also voted WoDmason for no reason as well. Care to explain that?
1.) No, you WERE avoiding my questions, you just kept saying "I already answered them" when in fact, you didn't answer them at all imo. You can't call me a liar for having a different opinion than you. Let me run this by you one more time. I'm sorry, but I really did answer your "case" which, at the time you voted me, was non-existant - and for that reason, perhaps because you just hadn't bothered to read the thread, you were lying. So I did NOT use the term incorrectly.
So let me run this by you one more time. All of this is available before you even voted for me.
1. I have no win condition, and no matter what you say, the only thing I have been told by Xyre is that I should "assume I want to survive".
2. I defended Hyram based upon his obvious knowledge of a mechanic in the game - the real-time one-week activation. At the time, it was not a stretch at all to assume that the mafia abilities (or, at very least, the mafia kill) had nothing to do with a real-time week. So this was legitimate grounds to suspect he was town. Plus, he hit Serge, who, at the time, I thought was scum. As I said before, everyone who shares the same opinions as me has to be smart, right?
2.) PROVE that I lied about my reasons for voting you. They've basically been the same from the start, I've just expounded upon them as time has went on. Uh huh. Expounded meaning "made up as you went along, in response to my points, searching for a way to make me look scummier than you" is what that strikes me as. Your original "argument", that is, the ones over several pages, extremely vague, easy to misinterpret as someone poking at another player in order to seem like they are contributing, all the while knowing (or being easily able to check) that they have already been answered.
Wuffles has acted all game like he has role based information about the mafia / the members within it. He has acted scummy all game. Just because he doesn't have a win condition at this second, doesn't mean he can't be part of the mafia. Oh, so now you're admitting that I just might have no win condition? And here's me thinking that one of the original reasons you had for voting me was because you didn't believe I lacked a win condition
And...
Cubus, stop being so damn wishy-washy - that last post of yours really strikes me as someone trying to play both sides of the argument without committing.
I completely agree with cubus there. If I didn't believe that Wuffles and Chimp are both without WCs, I'd be voting Wuff in a heart beat. As it is, I don't think that's a good play.
Because there is little content to do analysis of?
I must agree with Kenji, none of the lynches look all that great to me. I read bertrand's posts, and while they are unconvincing and very much wishy-washy, I have never seen him be a very forceful player. I think his general play style is shrugging.
@WolG : Do you think any scum would be stupid enough to keep on defending a scumbuddy (godfather or not) who is about to get lynched ?
Why isn't there more interest in Fayul ?
1.) That is completly and utterly WIFOM.
2.) Proably because Fayul will never be active or comit to enough opinions to have a case actually built against her without people defending her with "This is how she always plays, I'm not gonna vote her."
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Just because he claims he doesn't have a win condition at this second, doesn't mean he can't be part of the mafia.
Sorry, my bad, didn't re-read that sentance before posting.
1.) Are you saying that me sparking conversation by allowing an arguement to draw itself out is scummy?
2.) Did you forget that in my second post of the night phase, I voted you and gave my reason?
3.) Those are my reasons for voting you, and as of now, nothing you can say is going to convince me to think you arn't scum. Your actions haven't been pro-town, and your reactions to my vote surely have not been pro-town.
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Still, I agree with CPE. Treigit restarted the Cubus wagon (actually, he kicked off of WoD's idea to do so... damnit WoD) and is also scummy. Unvote, Vote Treigit. Man, I sware I voted him before, but for the life of me I can't find where. I've thought he was scummy for a long time now, but I apparently haven't made nearly as many posts on the subject as I thought.
Heh, Ged its ok. WoD stop acting stupid (ok, maybe im not the player to say it) but the town will NOT lynch cubus. There are a lot of people out there who just think its stupid. Why should we waste our day 2 lynch on TESTING somebody. As of now, there is a lot to go, and we dont have to worry about hiding scum or anything crazy in the claims. Also @WoD: Get on aim more often
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Ok, there's so many things wrong with this post. First of all, the fact that he's dead is something to go on besides his word. Also, you're voting him to find out what our options are? And he wasn't scummy yesterday but magically became scummy today? What?
I like my vote, actually.
Is there something there that I didn't make clear in my initial post?
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I understood everything, I just thought it was BS.
A couple things: first of all, you should know by now that this game could have anything in it - including a player that couldn't be removed, or, more fairly and just as screwy with your logic, a player that just can't be lynched. Maybe he's scum and we can only vig him. Maybe he just has 1 extra life and we'll then think he's town to our demise. And so on. I'm just saying that if he survives, we're back where we started.
I can accept that you find him scummy today, but explaining why would help.
I also agree that this wagon has grown too fast, and that Wuffles is a good place to look next.
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There is something in my gut that says to avoid agreement with Treigit, because, something in my gut tells me he's scum. But at the same time, there is SUCH an unknown quality about Cubus that its impossible to put my finger on, or get any real reading.
At current, my top Four suspects/People i want to know ALOT more about:
1. Wuffles
2. Cubus
3. Treigit
4. XYH.
1. His play has seemed off, his insanely pronounced defence of WoD seemed off, his Lack of a win condition seems off.
2. I simply DO NOT buy that we cannot remove him from the game. There is something broken about an utterly unkillable ANYTHING.
3. He claims he cannot be killed because the kill is redirected to someone else. He claims he cannot be investigated because it gets redirected.
Lastly, what about his "random investigative results" that he said he would have?
4. His play day one and two has seemed off. Day 1 it wasnt enough for me to notice too much, but so far today, alot of his posts have seemed to rub me the wrong way.
And I'm gonna go ahead and Vote: Wuffles II
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Assuming these apply to XYH and Treigit respectively:
XYH: I'm confident that his claim yesterday meant this: killing him will kill DYH. Investigating him will investigate DYH. Targeting him in any way will instead target DYH. As for the investigation, let me remind you that he said he would 'reveal the alignment of a random player each morning'. He did that - see Squiggler and Cyan.
He copped out of his claim. I thought we'd gone over this yesterday.
Treigit: Keep in mind he replaced Loran. I didn't like Loran's play, either.
I randomly get the results of another investigative role. In this case, it was WoD's watching ability on Cyan.
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I would be happy with some pressure on Fayul at the moment. Unvote, Vote Fayul
I'll read over Fayul soon.
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XYH, can you give us flavor on why you get different people's results each time?
Your lack of explaining your (as far as I'm concerned) totally baseless votes is going to get you lynched one day, Wolg.
Seriously, explain or unvote.
1.) No, it isn't, not on this site.
2.) I've explained why I thought you were scummy in the past, and those reasons still apply.
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Seriously, RTFT or get lynched.:rolleyes:
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Also, Unvote, Vote: WolG
Agressive, out-of-character play. It's like he's trying to be Cyan, but he doesn't have a track record of trying to be like Cyan.
Pardon me for a moment while I go pound my head into a wall repeatedly...
1.) What are you attempting to accomplish by voting me without giving a solid reason?
2.) A vote on me is horrible and unfounded. Whenever one of the top points against someone is "they are playing differently," it's not really a strong play.
If you would pay the SLIGHTEST...and I do mean the VERY MINIMAL amout of attention to ANY of the games you were playing in, you would understand that I'm trying to make a point here.
Just as a reference, since you don't actually feel the need to read or participate in the games you are in.
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Truthfully, either we test Cubus, *which i see NO downside too. Seriously, with NO proof other then his word, we're letting him off?* or we randomly wagon someone new, since atm, we have NO cases.
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Says that he thinks Wolg is innocent but leaves his foot in the door.
The downside to lynching Cubus is no-lynching. I've asked before, and so has he. I'll ask it again: why is he scummy, exactly? And what's this about not having cases? I've presented a light one on Treigit. I could easily post one on you (on, say, Sunday when I'm back from vacation). There's one on Wuffles, and there's one on Cubus. OH, and Wolg and Bert.
The fact that I've interpreted your play as new and / or bad rather than scummy is all that's keeping me from jumping on you, StormBlind.
Finds me suspicious because I have no win condition (HAY THX MOD YOU RULE CAN I HAVE A WIN CONDITION YET? )
Rehashes the same basic argument. However, he is totally mistaken – “surviving” is NOT my win condition – only what I was told by MOD that I should strive for until I get my win condition. Looks like he was trying to make me look more suspicious without seeming like it.
I have already answered why I was supporting Hyram, RTFT, kthx. And again with the “no way can he not have a win condition” bollocks.
These are the only posts you even HAVE that refer to me.
I have answered your questions several times, and your brazen arrogance is really pissing me off, frankly. You tell me to RTFT, yet if YOU were to reread, you’d see I have already answered your questions. I’m not telling you to put up or shut up, I’m just telling you to shut up, and DON’T BE A FREAKING HYPOCRITE.
Vote WOLG – LAL.
However, Wolg, please, don't be so arrogant, it really pushes my buttons.
Hey Nancy, how about you calm it down just a tad?
1.) I find the fact that you have no win condition suspicous, why? Because at present, you do not win with the town, and that makes you scum until proven otherwise, imo.
2.) The way you stated that you want to survive is suspicious to me, and I was pointing out that I found it so. How is taht me trying to make you look MORE suspicious, when I already found you so?
1.) You supported Hyram because you thought his 1 shot, week wait ability made him town. Hey guess what? He wasn't. Why should we think you are as well? For all we know, you could have the same ability.
2.) I find you, as well as chimp, suspicous due to the way in which you entered the game.
Calm down Bertha, you're making waves.
I've read your responses and your "answers" which basically surmised to "It's not my fault I don't have a win condition, so don't find me suspicous" and "I thought Hyram was town because we have similar roles". You have not attempted to defend your actions as whole, which is what I found scummy as well.
Also, nice impropper use of "LAL" there...just because you don't like the way I post, doesn't mean that you get to throw around terms incorrectly
Point out where I have lied, or YOU need to shut up.
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Wuffles, why did LAL apply to your vote on WOLG?
Because, in the most arrogant way possible, he told me I hadn't read the thread and hadn't answered his questions, as well as that he had already made a case on me (which, granted, was done in an extremely vague manner over several pages)
But he even sort of admits I had in fact answered his questions, it was (now) merely my "actions as a whole" that he found suspicious. Well, guess what, Wolg, you never even asked me to explain my "actions as a whole". In fact, that post seemed kind of like a damage control post - you're now trying not to "make me answer" your questions, but to just deny the conclusion of them.
So, 1. You were lying about me avoiding your questions and 2. You were lying about your reasons for voting me, if what you said in this last post is correct - it's because my "actions as a whole" have been scummy.
So, yeah, I did use the term correctly.
I'm sorry, but just because you think my actions have been scummy isn't a good enough reason, son. Your bluster has to be backed up by actual points sometime.
and yeah, your hypocritical posting style still ****ing ****es me off. If you'd actually read the thread before making that post I would be a little more tolerant, but yeah.
Better reasons or die, scum
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And I noticed that WOLG, but due to the fact that it was bolded and not actually in a quote I thought you would maybe want to make sure.
@Treigit: I overhear things.
I'd like Wuffles to answer the question posed to him rather than blowing his top and getting overdefensive.
Vote: Bertrand I've disliked his recent play, it seems like every post starts with: "I don't agree with... or, I don't think this is a good idea...".
Then put something forward that is.
@Wuffles: Firstly, anyone calling someone 'arrogant' while often referring to people as "son" should take a hard look in the mirror. I realize WOLG threw out some names first, but this is not the first time I've seen you do it, and frankly, it's annoying.
Secondly, WOLG (and the original case) has enough on one point to make a case that could get anyone lynched. Need I remind you that you defended the mafia godfather? Not just any ol' scum, but the Godfather. If you (or anyone) don't think that changes things, you're sorely mistaken.
To say that his case is lacking is utter BS. You may not like the way he presented it, but the fact is, you're definitely among the scummiest players from day one. The only reason you haven't lynched, IMO, is because of people gaming the setup.
I'm becoming very wary of ZDS for his latest contributions, they seem quite different from what he was posting during the day. I need to go back and take a look at his earlier content.
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and XYH: Please don't tell me I need to explain to you as well how I've already answered all of his points already
However, I have *also* already said that this was all my defence was based on - I did not know that the mafia kill would be a slow-shot 1-week poisoning, lol.
It is true, I should have seen the poisoning for what it was - but, hell, I was too far dug in to protecting Hyram at that point to see the trees through the leaves.
Your last post during day, after defending Hyram, the Mafia godfather:
Then your first post this evening:
1.) Defending a mafia member generally racks up scum points. Defending the mafia GODFATHER racks up a little more.
2.) You state you were defending him based on the fact that you have a similar ability to the one Hyram claimed.
3.) You are "annoyed" at the fact that the town was lynching him based on a gut feeling, yet you are defending him based on a gut feeling.
Here are your first two posts of the day, deep into the heat of the first Hyram wagon:
And
1.) You pop in, claim role based information, attempting to save Hyram.
-You were using scare tactics, while being vague, to try to de-rail the wagon on someone who turned out to be the mafia godfather.
2.) You start throwing suspicion and calling Serge scum instantly, trying to further de-rail the wagon on Hyram.
(I'm not even going to start getting on you for your attitude all during day, and your constant flaming of Serge.)
Then when Hyram, the guy you were defending and thinking town, DAY POISONS Serge, the guy you were calling noob-scum, etc, etc, and serge comes up town, you post this:
Oh hey, you were wrong, yet you still act as if your "gut" is sufficent to keep Hyram from getting lynched.
Oh yeah, posts like these make me extra wary to follow your judgement in any way:
Also, I find your purely "Jump on the bandwagon" vote of cubus today suspicious.
Every one of your posts in this game have been drenched in either arrogance, sarcasm, or general a$$h0l3 juice, and yet you have the nerve to call me arrogant? Your attitude this game has been pisspoor, and you've been not only unhelpful to the town, but decidedly helpful to scum.
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1.) No, you WERE avoiding my questions, you just kept saying "I already answered them" when in fact, you didn't answer them at all imo. You can't call me a liar for having a different opinion than you.
2.) PROVE that I lied about my reasons for voting you. They've basically been the same from the start, I've just expounded upon them as time has went on.
3.) Your arrogance and attitude this game has pi$$** me off, so I could care less. I've basically responded to you in the same way you've treated everyone else this game. If you can't take it, daughter, don't dish it out.
4.) You call me scum, yet you have no reasons what-so-ever for doing so. Your vote on me is nothing more than an OMGUS vote.
Yeah, because unlike some people, I generally try to put thought into my posts, and logic behind my votes.
[quote=Wuffles_II;/comments/10523181]I really think Hyram is going to turn up town, guys.
I'm really annoyed that this is based on nothing more than a gut feeling, except that he proved conclusively that he is a daykiller.
But, the mafia kill in the same way, probably, so I'm not entirely sure that my gut is right.[/quote]
Bolding by me. LAL?
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He claims he doesn't have a win condition. He could have been a late addition to the scum team, I mean, hell, Xyre pulled in FOUR players in the middle of the game.
Wuffles has acted all game like he has role based information about the mafia / the members within it. He has acted scummy all game. Just because he doesn't have a win condition at this second, doesn't mean he can't be part of the mafia.
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Cubus, stop being so damn wishy-washy - that last post of yours really strikes me as someone trying to play both sides of the argument without committing.
Because there is little content to do analysis of?
I must agree with Kenji, none of the lynches look all that great to me. I read bertrand's posts, and while they are unconvincing and very much wishy-washy, I have never seen him be a very forceful player. I think his general play style is shrugging.
1.) That is completly and utterly WIFOM.
2.) Proably because Fayul will never be active or comit to enough opinions to have a case actually built against her without people defending her with "This is how she always plays, I'm not gonna vote her."
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Sorry, my bad, didn't re-read that sentance before posting.
1.) Are you saying that me sparking conversation by allowing an arguement to draw itself out is scummy?
2.) Did you forget that in my second post of the night phase, I voted you and gave my reason?
3.) Those are my reasons for voting you, and as of now, nothing you can say is going to convince me to think you arn't scum. Your actions haven't been pro-town, and your reactions to my vote surely have not been pro-town.
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Still, I agree with CPE. Treigit restarted the Cubus wagon (actually, he kicked off of WoD's idea to do so... damnit WoD) and is also scummy. Unvote, Vote Treigit. Man, I sware I voted him before, but for the life of me I can't find where. I've thought he was scummy for a long time now, but I apparently haven't made nearly as many posts on the subject as I thought.