townie night vig may be more common than dayvig, but it's a lot easier to claim, cubus. there is a serious problem with your predecessor's clear claim to a new role [not merely a non-duplicated role] and your claimed role, which is not new [and though this is not the point, is practically duplicated by hroth's claimed role, meaning you can't claim that rian dropped you hints that your role wasn't duplicated among other players. and if you say hroth is lying, well, we can test that, can't we?]
two more points:
1- if i were modding a game with a lot of newbs, i'd probably have a lot of vanilla roles. even if you don't controll who gets them, you make it more likely that newbs will get roles that aren't too tough.
but clearly *someone* is lying.
2-SG: you're in the same position here. loran claimed that his role at first did and then didn't fit. i have a hard time believing that he would say that about vanilla.
could both scum make the same mistake? sure.
therefore, vote: cubus & fos: sorryguy
hroth, please vig cubus. you have my consent. please do so before the vote drops so we can verify your claim.
Ok, Wamyc (I have yet to type that right the first time... I am alway typing in wymac for some reason) is in favor of the cubus dayviging. Currently we only need 3 votes to lynch someone, so I would feel better about using this if at least that many people other than myself agreed on the target. Right now Cubus has 2 votes and will die to the deadline change. If no one else chimes in on this before about 9 tonight, I'll vig him right then.
Wamyc also brings up a good point (and one that only strengthens my desire for everyone to flavor claim as well) in that Sorryguy's claim seems to invalidate what Loran said earlier.
to clarify your request, hroth, you're asking for people to paraphrase the flavor for their role as given in the role PM, right? i wouldn't want these claims to get cluttered with speculation beyond what the PM said.
also, i assume hkkid is willing to use hroth's vig on cubus, seeing as he's voting cubus. could you say something if that's not the case, hkkid?
I'd say that I'm in support of the vig on Cubus as well, because, well, for one- I think his idea to lynch a random vanilla straight sucks. You say that you can't prove it- most can't, but I was cleared by the cop, so....
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Heh... lynching unconfirmed vanillias is probably not a bad idea. It's the most likely choice for a false-claiming scum.
Hmm, I'm not sure I like the dayvig idea. If cubus winds up as townie it puts us in Lyol.
* HKKID goes and thinks about it for a hour or so.
I've decided I'm ok with it. If cubus winds up town, the scum team is H'Roth + SG (both from process of elimination and from H'roth's most recent post). If cubus isn't town, we've just killed scum. Either way, I'm going to Unvote in case H'Roth doesn't make it back to the thread on time.
@ H'Roth, there's your 3 people in favor of the dayvig. 4 if you count yourself. Do it ASAP to give us more time to figure out today's lynch.
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
@ SG: Why would a claimed vanilla (you) want everyone else's flavor so badly? For that matter... If you were vanilla, why would Loran have posted this:
Alright, I talked to loran and I know why he posted what he did. It would seem that when the game started Xyre was a moderator here. Recently, however, he resigned and left the same. This then makes Xyre a vanilla on the site, hence making him match the flavor. Really, it was just loran bringing in things outside the game (namely his forum politics) into the game.
Now, as for vigging Cubus, I think it is fine. If Cubus is not scum then H'Roth is right there for us. Either way, I think using it on Cubus is the correct play. I thought about it and still think that letting them go to tomorrow could work, but with the presence of a roleblocker this plan does not work. So I support vigging Cubus.
AoK: It's not like we are going to lynch you, we know you are confirmed. Stop worrying about it.
I also think that I have a pretty good case but I will wait until Cubus' death to present it.
@ Sorryguy: that seems like a plausible answer, maybe the only possible one. It does satisfy the oddness of saying that vanilla fits any mod. The only thing that would make this explanation more solid is if someone could confirm that loran and xyre were tight or at least that loran approved of xyre as a mod.
Since HKKID unvoted, I'm going to keep my vote for the time being (at least until cubus is dayvigged) I think at this point hroth has the town's general consent. Certainly enough given the time limit.
@ Sorryguy: that seems like a plausible answer, maybe the only possible one. It does satisfy the oddness of saying that vanilla fits any mod. The only thing that would make this explanation more solid is if someone could confirm that loran and xyre were tight or at least that loran approved of xyre as a mod.
Loran posted this in Xyre's resignation thread here. They were friendly.
Cubus, the problem here is that H'Roth can not be roleblocked where you can. At this point, I doubt you will ever even be able to use your kill and seeing as you are one shot you may as well be considered vanilla.
At 7:14am GMT Wednesday, June 20, there was a shudder felt across the board as a light shines from the heavens and every post made by Cubus, Woapallane, Mafia Roleblocker was heckbanned, er, hellbanned. Luckily you're all mods, and can still see his posts! The rest of the forums are quite confused, however. . .
It's currently 12:15pm GMT Wednesday, June 20. The to-lynch drop was at 8:30am, with 6 alive it is now 2 to lynch. Day 4 will end in *~92* hours. Lemme know if I've messed this up, I've got baby brain @_@;
+ I did. It's only 2 to lynch right now, sorry @_@
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
Quote from Yukora »
This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
woah, we are at one to lynch?! I thought it would drop to 2... Well, that sucks alot. Right now I would agree that the unconfirmed townies is where the final mafia is... So that means....
HKKID
Archy
Wamyc
SorryGuy
Did I miss anyone?
Of those, I actually like SorryGuy's explanation of his flavor (as that has been important/relevant for just about everyone else), so I'm not leaning toward him right now. Have any of the remaining three flavor claimed yet? If not I am highly for this course of action, and quickly... (I really thought it was going to drop to 2. It went from 7 to 6 alive, yes? shouldn't that be the same number of lynches?)
Wamyc's confirmed. He had doc-protection on the no-kill night.
AOK: Confirmed by Cop and Doc. HKKID: Unconfirmed Archy: Unconfirmed
Wamyc: Doc Confirmed SorryGuy: Unconfirmed H'Roth-Gar: Confirmed as daykiller. Alignment unconfirmed.
I'm willing to let H'Roth slide based on the assumption that the town probably had/has a vig. I'll rethink that tomorrow, but I'm fine with it for today. I'm also not going to try and get myself lynched, so that leaves Archy and SG as the two people I'm most interested in.
Archy (Krashbot) played a very pro-town game day 1. SorryGuy (loran) has been bugging me all game long. More importantly, he still hasn't explained why a vanilla needs everyone's flavor.
Unless he can explain that, I think SG is the best play for today.
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
first things: w00t! :xd:
let's have a moment of silence for the widow woaplane, wailing wife to a wicked wretch we wasted.
i have no flavor claim. AFAIK, hydro doesn't have any particular reason to be vanilla. i expressed how odd i thought it would be to have vanilla be "appropriate" for any mod when we were talking about xyre/loran/SG. being vanilla myself, i don't understand a call for flavor from a claimed vanilla.
that'd be you, sorryguy.
i was trying to be coy in my recent post where i asked people to use only the flavor from their PM for a flavorclaim, to allow scum to trip up and make a flavorclaim for a vanilla when i knew there isn't one. well, there can't be more than one scum left, and openly requesting flavorclaims from a mostly vanilla field is the next worst thing.
The to-lynch drop was at 8:30am, with 6 alive it is now 1 to lynch. Day 4 will end in ~44 hours. Lemme know if I've messed this up, I've got baby brain @_@;
+ I did. It's only 2 to lynch right now, sorry. Next drop in ~30 hours. . . I think @_@
Alright, to be so shortsighted is disappointing. At the same time, I guess this is unsurprising coming from a number of new players. Let me explain:
i was trying to be coy in my recent post where i asked people to use only the flavor from their PM for a flavorclaim, to allow scum to trip up and make a flavorclaim for a vanilla when i knew there isn't one. well, there can't be more than one scum left, and openly requesting flavorclaims from a mostly vanilla field is the next worst thing.
(By the way, I have no idea what the last sentence here means, at all.)
Indeed. In mafia, we call this a gambit. However, seeing as one of our confirmed townies, Avatar of Kokusho, claimed to have flavor, I am not exactly sure what to do. I know that I do not have flavor, but the scum know that I am a townie and therefore had to assume that vanillas were given flavor. In doing so, I was hoping to get one to claim such. HKKID going first and saying he had no flavor hurt, but I figured I would continue with it just in case. Obviously, I couldn't have said this at first or it wouldn't have worked.
So, now, all I can assume is that not all of the vanillas roles are symmetric. I can believe it. So really we are not further now than we were then, unless we want to lynch AoK, which, by the way, we don't.
So where do we want to go then? Honestly, I have no idea. I think the play here has to be HKKID, H'Roth-Gar, or me. I know that I am town so between those two I really don't know. A mislynch today puts us into LyLo tomorrow. So which of us three has the most association with Cubus? It is definitely not HKKID. He started the case on Cubus and rode it the whole way. Plus, HKKID's play has been far and away the best all game. If he is scum, he deserves to win. Therefore, despite killing Cubus, I have to think that H'Roth is still the play. He did not chose to kill Cubus, we made him do so. In addition, as already proven, his play has not been very good. Plus, it explains the missing kill last night. The scum had to know that after claiming yesterday, H'Roth would likely be made to use his ability today. If so, and I am speculating here, I think they would use whatever mechanize they have to transfer their kill to the day. I think that being able to have a daykill, a powerful ability, although not as powerful later in the game, might make up for them being outnumbered 10-3 where normally it is 9-3 or even 8-3-1. So when we decide to vote, mine will be on H'Roth.
1- that last sentence means that i think that your "bait" was probably a misstep [due to your not being vanilla] and therefore a scumtell.
2-where did aok claim flavor?
3-do you really think the scum would give up a NK to give the town another lynch, even if they were sure the town was going to use it? they lose either way! [whether the town uses the daykill or not.] i'd rather risk losing hroth, seeing as it's not a sure thing and you claimed he wasn't playing well anyway. can you show how the mafia would be so sure we'd use hroth's ability today, and use it poorly enough to throw away a NK?
4- hroth: what do you have to say to SG's points? and please don't just use what i've said as your defense.
5- at SG: what do you mean "not all vanilla roles are symmetric?"
1- that last sentence means that i think that your "bait" was probably a misstep [due to your not being vanilla] and therefore a scumtell.
And what do I, as scum, have to gain from learning the flavor of vanilla townies?
2-where did aok claim flavor?
Here:
Quote from AoK »
I'm not sure of the flavor behind my role, but I believe that paraphrasing my role PM is acceptable: as Yukora, I believe that mature discussion is the way to solve things.
3-do you really think the scum would give up a NK to give the town another lynch, even if they were sure the town was going to use it? they lose either way! [whether the town uses the daykill or not.] i'd rather risk losing hroth, seeing as it's not a sure thing and you claimed he wasn't playing well anyway. can you show how the mafia would be so sure we'd use hroth's ability today, and use it poorly enough to throw away a NK?
These are fair points. For one, during the day they do not have to worry about doc protection, which at this point in the game is a pretty serious threat to the scum. In addition, and oh boy we are getting into WIFOM here, but I think the scum were willing to try and get H'Roth to win the game for them. By killing Cubus, he appears to be confirmed. It is their hope, then, that we just ignore him and he can get through with the win.
Also, as for losing H'Roth, I don't think that is the correct scum play seeing as Cubus was near the top of the list for most people of people to go after. As for being sure we would use H'Roth's ability today, well, it seemed pretty clear with him being the target of most of pressure yesterday. Also, letting him go to night without using the ability is likely not the best idea. This is one of the reasons I went ahead and approved of using the ability of Cubus.
5- at SG: what do you mean "not all vanilla roles are symmetric?"
Maybe symmetric was not the best word choice but what I am getting at is if AoK has flavor, that means that not all of the vanilla roles got the same PM. Some mods take the same PM and just change each sentence so that it corresponds to that role. So if this was so, all of us would not have flavor. But seeing as AoK, a confirmed townie, does, we can assume that the mod gave us all unique PMs which were not base off a skeleton outline.
i had really taken that post of aok's to be something in her own voice - just something she was thinking. can you confirm/deny, aok?
That is not what that post says to me, but I wouldn't mind hearing what she has to say myself.
One other thing I would like to point out after reviewing a bit of the thread (I would do more, but time does not really permit. I figured I had some responsibility to at least look though):
Hellban does not seem like a townie sort of mechanism. Hellban sounds to me far more menacing than a townie vig. daykill. I also note that for Lesurgo's command to be hellban is not flavorly accurate. It is actually a pretty widely-known fact that Lesurgo does not cuss or curse at all. This is true to the point where he does say the the card name Damnation while playing magic. As a result, I find it strange that his command would be something like hell. Also, why the coloring? I notice HKKID used the same color in his next post, what is that about? At any rate, H'Roth if there is anything in your PM which indicates why your command for the daykill is what it is, please bring it to light.
D'oh! Well you had me completely suckered. I thought for sure you were lying about your claim to hide some flavor-related ability. I'm embarassed now.
However, seeing as one of our confirmed townies, Avatar of Kokusho, claimed to have flavor, I am not exactly sure what to do. <snip> So, now, all I can assume is that not all of the vanillas roles are symmetric. I can believe it. So really we are not further now than we were then <snip>
AOK said "I believe that paraphrasing my role PM is acceptable: as Yukora, I believe that mature discussion is the way to solve things."
I just want to make sure here. You're saying that what AOK said doesn't accurately reflect what's in your role pm. You're not saying that you think she's lying. Am I correct?
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I also note that for Lesurgo's command to be hellban is not flavorly accurate. It is actually a pretty widely-known fact that Lesurgo does not cuss or curse at all.
Ironically, that's the flavor H'Roth gave us. He said that Gavin (Lesurgo) would swear this one time, because things got so bad...
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Also, why the coloring? I notice HKKID used the same color in his next post, what is that about?
I was just trying to highlight the names of the unconfirmed users. I've been using green for quotes, and orange was the next color that popped into my mind.
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
I paraphrased from my role PM. I don't understand it myself, it's just basically what it said. I agree with the question on flavor regarding the command to vig a guy, when your role is Lesurgo, using a curse word. To my knowledge, Lesurgo doesn't. Ever. I will concede to the fact that your explanation made sense in a way. As sad as it sounds, and I don't mean this in the wrong way, H'Roth's ability has been used. The possibility exists that is he in fact scum. He really doesn't have a function right now....so if we can't make a decision, he may be the best choice. There are six (?) of us left...what's the estimated number of mafia remaining?
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
Quote from Yukora »
This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
As sad as it sounds, and I don't mean this in the wrong way, H'Roth's ability has been used. The possibility exists that is he in fact scum. He really doesn't have a function right now....so if we can't make a decision, he may be the best choice. There are six (?) of us left...what's the estimated number of mafia remaining?
It would be really unbalanced with there were two mafia left. I have to assume that there is only one. So if we mislynch today we will go into tomorrow with four alive, three townies, one scum. So if we mislynch tomorrow too, we lose. We can mislynch today, though.
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I just want to make sure here. You're saying that what AOK said doesn't accurately reflect what's in your role pm. You're not saying that you think she's lying. Am I correct?
Well, she just explained it herself. But what I was saying is that it does reflect her PM which tells me that we have different PMs, which means that the whole call for a flavor claim was worthless.
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Ironically, that's the flavor H'Roth gave us. He said that Gavin (Lesurgo) would swear this one time, because things got so bad...
Oh, sorry, I must have missed that. Considering I read all the thread at once, I guess it is unsurprising.
hkkid, you say you were completely suckered by SG's gambit, but so was i...
in fact, it looks a lot more like a casual comment made by scum trying to act pro-town, which he is now retroactively treating as a gambit to cover his ass. trying to elicit flavorclaims from everyone makes him look helpful and open.
however, there is NO flavor reason for a role to be vanilla, and we did get the same PM, SG. if you go and look at your actual role PM, all you vanillas should see exactly what AOK was paraphrasing in it. i gave you some time to look at the role PM to try to catch your mistake, but at this point i believe it's a mistake you made b/c you didn't get a vanilla pm.
did you even give yourself any breadcrumbing to cover yourself if you got called for asking for something you should know doesn't exist? if you put yourself in this precarious undercover position intentionally, wouldn't you have left yourself some out?
hkkid, you say you were completely suckered by SG's gambit, but so was i...
in fact, it looks a lot more like a casual comment made by scum trying to act pro-town, which he is now retroactively treating as a gambit to cover his ass.
That's what it looks like.
We did get the same PM, SG. if you go and look at your actual role PM, all you vanillas should see exactly what AOK was paraphrasing in it. i gave you some time to look at the role PM to try to catch your mistake, but at this point i believe it's a mistake you made b/c you didn't get a vanilla pm.
Oh he's definitely lying through his teeth about being vanilla. The fact that he didn't even recognize the "mature discussion" bit was a dead giveaway. It's very clearly a paraphrase from the middle paragraph.
As for SG having an "out"... I think this was is :-/. SG... We KNOW you're lying about being vanilla. Would you like to try again, or should we just lynch you now?
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
Alright, I was lying about being vanilla. I maintain that it is the correct play. Here is the explanation:
I am the townie roleblocker. Xyre, as one of the mafia players on the staff, knows how the interworkings of the game. As such, he is able to block one action each night. Loran did not blocked no one night one, and blocked Hunted Charlie night two. I blocked H'Roth-Gar last night.
Claiming this would not be good for the town, for obvious reasons.
With that, to ensure that the town does not make a mistake, and to attempt to end the game now I am going to go ahead and Unvote, Vote: H'Roth-Gar.
And we're at 1 to lynch? I believe that would mean that H'Roth's fate is sealed. I could be wrong, though.
I'm assuming you chose to block him last night because you thought he could be lying about his role. Either that, or you're lying here, too. I guess I could understand about hiding a townie roleblocking ability, but this stinks like last week's tuna to me.
In case H'Roth isn't going to be lynched immediately, a really big, huge, giant FOS: SorryGuy because I am having a difficult time believing any of this.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
Quote from Yukora »
This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
sg, you lying liar. you hammering, lying liar.
FOS:SG
you both lie and hammer w/out the town consensus.
VOTE:SG
then again, you're probably not lying because we'll rip you apart if there is a tomorrow, and if there were 2 mafia, they coulda hammered at two votes.
and no one would believe you, because you've been sneakier of late. because you were lying you could have just claimed roleblocker sooner.
still, you did get yourself out of a bind by hammering while no one would listen to you, killing the last scum, so...
YAY: SG
i guess... um ya know... unless i'm missing something. i suppose i should UNVOTE, then, huh?
SG that was incredibly NOT good. It's 100% believable that there's a vig in this game, and H'Roth is the only one who claimed it. At very least, he's more clear than Archy at this point. You made one of the worst moves possible, and all but confirmed you to be scum. I hope you can win the game tonight, because you're an auto-lynch tommorrow for a play that flagrantly damn scummy.
I was told today that this kid on my team called 911 twice this morning and hung up both times. They called back and his dad answered. The reason the kid called 911? He got an erection and didn't know what to do. I wish I was making this up.
H'Roth-Gar looks around the thread hopefully. "I did real good, huh? I'd rather not have gone to such extremes, but I believe it was worth it, after all."
There is not consensus about the motivations for his actions, however - "He could just be covering his own ass at his buddy's expense!"
There is a bit of discussion and a bit of confusion - when the smoke clears it appears that H'Roth-Gar, Lesurgo, Townie 1-Shot Dayvig, has been banned.
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Well, this is rather freaking dissapointing. Darn it all to heck!
It is now Night 4.
It is currently 3am GMT Saturday, June 23.
Night actions are due by 8am GMT Monday, June 25.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
Quote from Yukora »
This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Actually, the last scum must by HKKID. Also, I am sure all of you will agree with me, we have seven days plus one drop before we need to vote. Seeing as we are in lynch of lose, we need to take all of the time we have. I will explain more later, I am off to school, but lynching me before I can explain would be unfortunate.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
Quote from Yukora »
This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Then by all means explain yourself, your rationale, and your reasons behind yesterday's actions.
I shall. I figured HKKID would have posted by now, but alas, I will present my case with him absent.
So, I lied to the town because it is simply better that way. Scum knowledge is never a good thing. But then I determined it was necessary, I went ahead and did so because I knew that if we didn't just win yesterday, then they couldn't kill me because it would give away who they are. At any rate, with my ability I targeted Archy last night because with H'Roth dead I figured him to be the last scum. But then the kill went through. Seeing as we know that AoK is town, this confirms to me that HKKID is in fact the last scum.
I have to give it to him, I have no idea how he has played so well in his first game. Him leading the charge on Cubus was unexpected but I guess they determined that if one of them got the other lynched or killed, then the other would be left alone. It is a risky play, it is a gambit, but it is a very good one.
The kill from last night is even more of a tip off as to HKKID being the last scum. wamyc, as seen in his last post yesterday, supported me and my actions. As such, I would see scum not wanting him alive as he would agree with me. I also think that outside of HKKID, wamyc has done the most solid analysis this game. Again, I don't think HKKID wants that alive, instead he wants those who are more likely to follow him down the obvious play. And, no offense AoK, Archy, but both of seem to be likely to follow HKKID.
So yes, I understand that after yesterday I seem like the right play. But look at it this way: I was faced with the option of getting killed and having my side likely lose the game or having us be in a position where we win right away or we likely win on the next day. Yes, I had to do what a townie isn't supposed to do to it. But when it is for winning the game and for helping my clan, I think it is worth it.
Your argument has convinced me for the moment to Unvote: SG., simply because if you're right, I don't want the last scum to hammer you.
You're still under my suspicion, though. Your argument makes sense, but I'm also pretty sure you're an experienced player, while this is my first game ever. I'm not yet good at it. I don't know what all the ploys and tricks of the trade are. You could be lying. But you could be telling the truth. This is why I'm taking the vote off you.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
*Sorry for the inactivity, I've been busy with school and stuff.*
SorryGuy: Follow HKKID? Sorry, but I really didn't get that. Could you explain abit more, if you would?
While I don't understand everything that's going on, I'm starting to think that it'd either be HKKID or SorryGuy. SorryGuy, for what happened on Day 4 (but he did present his case very good and I'm starting to think that it might not be you), but then again, I think I'll wait for what HKKID
has to say before saying more.
SorryGuy: Follow HKKID? Sorry, but I really didn't get that. Could you explain abit more, if you would?
I was saying that as the last scum and now with you as a confirmed townie, HKKID is bound to attack me when he finally finds the thread. I was saying that he will make it seem like I am the obvious play and hope that you simply don't pay enough attention to see through what he is saying.
While I don't understand everything that's going on, I'm starting to think that it'd either be HKKID or SorryGuy. SorryGuy, for what happened on Day 4 (but he did present his case very good and I'm starting to think that it might not be you), but then again, I think I'll wait for what HKKID
has to say before saying more.
It is most definitively one of us, but it is not me, it can't be. I confirmed you last night, AoK has been confirmed, and I know that the scum isn't me.
I've been trying to wagon HKKID half the game, it just doesn't seem to come together. Let's see what we have here...wait a sec...
HKKID, you lied. You lied straight up 100% no question about it, and I just caught it.
Oh he's definitely lying through his teeth about being vanilla. The fact that he didn't even recognize the "mature discussion" bit was a dead giveaway. It's very clearly a paraphrase from the middle paragraph.
Bold emphasis mine.
I didn't HAVE a middle paragraph. I had about two or three lines, nothing broken into pieces, or anything. I will assume other vanillas are similar. Also, what makes you think that all vanilla roles would have the same text in them? They wouldn't; this is partially about flavor here and there's nothing flavorful about having different roles with the same text. Also, I reiterate: There is no way in this world or the next that you could have possibly gotten the same message I did, so don't go claiming that I paraphrased from the middle paragraph of something that didn't even have two.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
@AoK: Can you direct me to the post that you're referring to where HKKID lied?
Other than that, taking a look at SG's posts just on this page(40ppp) it couldn't be more obvious that he is lying scum. Take into account the fact that he flat-out lied, and is now claiming a role that is technically MORE likely to be scum than town. You can almost feel that scummy insincerity coming from his posts. Especially posts like 731, where he praises HKKID at the same time he is trying to condemn him. It makes no sense for someone that is town to praise the efforts of someone that is scum. All that it does is muddle the issue. It makes lots of sense for someone that is scum to praise the person he is attacking, because it softens the attack. Especially when it's someone like SG that is completely on the ropes. SG also lynched H'Roth-Gar in the *same post* where he 'comes clean' about his real role. Please note that HKKID was apparently opposed to this lynch, judging by his next post. SG is scum with absolute certainty.
Can someone explain to me why Archy is considered confirmed now? Is it because SG would have theoretically blocked him last night? Archy, did you receive confirmation of being blocked?
I'll have to read up on the case against HKKID. In fairness, since it seems like 1 vote from being lynched, I am Stax, Vanilla town. The 'mature discussion' thing seems relevant, because my role PM says that I hope that we can work things out in a mature fashion.
EBWODP: I see that there is already a dead Mafia RB. All this means is that SG is bluffing his claim..unless someone can verify it somehow? Doubtful.
I think it's also worth noting that SG tries to subtly backup Cubus' claim, which we now know to be false, immediately before Cubus was day-vigged. Seriously, SG's track record is atrociously bad in this game, and I've only read the last two pages.
Also, can someone explain to me how the vote counts work here? It seems like, as the day goes on, it takes less votes to lynch a person. If this is the case, the solution to what is going on now is obvious. SG and AoK are already voting me. Archy and I can vote SG. When the vote threshhold drops to 2, SG and myself will both be lynched. AoK is already confirmed, and with SG claiming to have RBed Archy, one way or another, Archy cannot be scum. It has to be one of SG or myself(by which I mean SG, but you know what I mean). If the voting works as such, my plan is foolproof.
@Mod: Can you A)explain to me how the decreasing lynch threshold works, and confirm/deny whether or not two people can be lynched at once by virtue of it?
Edit again(sorry): Never mind, when I read the rules the first time, I missed the part where it explains that my plan won't work. Oh well, it would have been nice.
Back to the game of showing the town why SG is clearly scum, then. I honestly don't see the case against HKKID at all, whereas SG has acted as thoroughly scummy as possible in what I've read of the game thus far(the last two pages).
Reading the post that contains SG's 'case' against HKKID, there is no case at all. SG claims that Wamyc 'supported' him(SG) in his last post, but this is not really true. Wamyc was notably suspicious of SG, but used a hugely WIFOM argument against *himself* and notes also 'we'll rip you apart if there is a tomorrow'. Which there clearly is. If Wamyc were alive now, it is fairly obvious that he would be voting SG. Which is why SG killed him.
Also, SG's excuse as to why his vanilla claim doesn't match up with what Loran said is pretty much the worst fabrication I've ever seen.
It's also worth noting that, having read AoK's statement that her role hopes things work out in a mature discussion, my PM says the same thing. The statement that AoK attacked HKKID for is indicative that he was working from this perspective as well. His problem was that, as vanilla town, his role mentions the same thing that another vanilla town role mentions. Yet someone else claims vanilla town, and makes no mention of this? HKKID goes out of his way to call SG out on this in post 716, because AoK has, unknowingly, indicated that her role PM reads remarkly similar to his(my) own. SG is flat-out caught as a liar, here. He claimed vanilla town, but can't back it up. This is what HKKID noticed. It certainly explains why SG wanted to know everyone's flavor, as well. When called on this, SG does what? Claims that he just lied to cover his real role? Seriously...it's just absurd. He also says the mafia probably had to skip their kill so that HRothGar could use his daykill. Then later he claims that he RBed HrothGar the previous night.
Something else. In his attack on HKKID, SG subtly attacks AoK and Archy as well. He uses an emotional attack(asserting that the two of them are likely to follow HKKID) to undermine their desire to lynch him. This is a terribly scummy thing to do. It puts AoK and Archy in a position where, if they vote SG after this, they just look like sheep because he called them out.
I could also mention how, in his post 710, SG states that HKKID definetely doesn't have the most association with Cubus. But today, his story is exactly opposite of this? Honestly, SG's play the last couple days has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
On a somewhat unrelated note, can someone explain to me why HrothGar got lynched? He day-vigged a scum. The chance of him doing so, as scum, is virtually impossible. Oh wait, he got lynched because SG, knowing that a single vote would kill him, single-handedly lynched HRothGar instead. And he knew that 1 vote would lynch HRothGar, because the post *immediately* above his, by the Mod, said so.
Honestly, SG's behavior could not possibly be more anti-town. Even taking into consideration that Archy and AoK are clear, I have never, ever seen a more obvious instance of someone being scum. It probably shouldn't even have taken all of this post as evidence, but there is certainly more than enough here.Vote SorryGuy
Honest to god. Sorry, I just got home from a LCQ (18th, sooo close to product prizes :() and I can't comprehend mafia right now. Loran left me a message on AIM saying I vote Cyan whenever I got online, so Vote: Cyan. Cyan even being here blows my mind but whatever.
Okay. The only thing that is for certain here is that AoK and I are not scum.
FoS: SorryGuy
FoS: Cyan
An FoS doesn't necessarily mean a vote, but that's just to state clear who are the possible scum.
Can someone explain to me why Archy is considered confirmed now? Is it because SG would have theoretically blocked him last night? Archy, did you receive confirmation of being blocked?
Confirmation? Unless it was a PM or something, no, I did not. Are stuff like that confirmed anyway through PM? I'm not sure as to how that works.
As for the townie claim, pretty much it's because of KrashBot. He was the clan rep before the game, and he went inactive for awhile. I think it had something to do with his showcase of being extremely anti-scum.
However, for confirmation once more: I am Kraj, Vanilla Townie. I did also get the mature discussion thing.
Loran told you to vote me? Why is Loran coaching you? And that's the best you have to say in response to a lengthy list of accusations? At least call in some kind of effort or something. You couldn't be bothered to defend or explain yourself, but could vote me. Just more scummy behavior from you.
But Archy has just sealed your fate anyway. That's three vanilla town that have stated they received essentially the same role PM. There is no way that HKKID bluffed in this. This virtually confirms HKKID(me) as Vanilla Town, and SG as scum.
All right, let's try to get things together in a nice, neat post.
When SG hammered H'Roth-Gar, he claimed to be the townie roleblocker. He haid that he roleblocked H'Roth the previous night, or attempted to, anyway. At that point, H'Roth had already claimed dayvig, and had freely discussed when the best time to use his ability was. He did so on the day he was lynched, and was successful in taking out scum. Why did you kill him after he was all but confirmed, SG? More town = good, even if his ability was used up. A confirmed townie, in my mind, would be a last resort kill. Did you kill him because he was who he said he was? If you are scum, then getting rid of town is obviously your job. Was it revenge for your fallen scumbuddy? Later, you claimed that it was completely obvious that HKKID was the last scum. Your explanation came later still, and you basically said that you felt that Archy and I would follow HKKID's wagon on you because of inexperience. (that guess is mine; I can't think any other reason). Then you went on an impassioned speech about how you felt you were doing what's best for the town by hammering H'Roth-Gar...which I don't get at all. He used his ability. It worked. Just as he said it would. Therefore, it was extremely unlikely that anything else he said was a lie. The possibility existed that he vigged one of his scumbuddies in order to save himself, but if that was the case, couldn't he eliminate a townie with his ability rather than kill off one of his own team? Then came my attempt to force out some more information regarding roles. Didn't work out too well- but hey, I tried. I think the reason it didn't work as well as I would have liked it to is the fact that too much information has been shared already for me to trip anyone up. Also, I'm still new at this.;)
And now Cyan has replaced HKKID. All this replacing is making my head spin. It makes it rather difficult to keep up with things, but I'll give it a shot.
I'm trying to find the posts regarding role PM discussions, since that's what I tried to force out of people in the "HKKID lied" post. It seems as though three people (myself included) have similar text.
Ah, there they are. SG said that he had reasons for wanting to know the flavor of the role PMs. He also refused to explain his reasons for wishing to know until after everyone had done so. He also supported the vigging of Cubus.
Seeing as that the issues have been screwed by my own failed action, three out of four people are claiming to have similar text in their vanilla role Pms. The only one who demurs is SG. He is claiming townie roleblocker...with piss-poor aim, apparently, which is surprising for such an experienced player. There is no way for us to prove this, as far as I know. I do tend to agree that his actions have been scummy, and since my plan failed so spectacularly...
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Archy stated that he received no message regarding being roleblocked. Most of the time anymore, even Vanilla roles will receive flavor letting them know that they have been blocked.
It's also worth pointing out that it was essentially never possible for HRothGar to be scum. With the way this game works, all he would have had to do was stall his ability until it only took 1 vote to lynch, Vig a townie in one post, lynch a townie in the next, game goes to night, he and cubus NK some townie and win. SG killed HRothGar because he knew that a single vote by anyone(and one was definetely coming, most likely from HKKID) would end the game and he(and the scum) would lose.
This is a simple process of elimination, honestly. All three claimed Vanilla have essentially verified themselves by referencing a particular line from their role PM. Because AoK and Archy are already confirmed, this is, more or less, confirmation that HKKID/myself is also Vanilla Town. SG is the only one that could be scum. Everything is very cut and dry.
AoK: To address your first paragraph, I felt I had already answered this but I will go ahead and do this again: I killed H'Roth for two reasons. The first is there was a missing kill when I blocked him. To see him be able to daykill may be a scum ability. More importantly, by killing him, I made it so that we can win, today. To get rid of one more unconfirmed would lead to victory, or at least I thought I could convince you all today. Also note that H'Roth killing Cubus does not prove him to be townie, we made H'Roth do it. No doing it would get him killed, so had to. He had no choice in the matter.
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Seeing as that the issues have been screwed by my own failed action, three out of four people are claiming to have similar text in their vanilla role Pms. The only one who demurs is SG. He is claiming townie roleblocker...with piss-poor aim, apparently, which is surprising for such an experienced player. There is no way for us to prove this, as far as I know. I do tend to agree that his actions have been scummy, and since my plan failed so spectacularly...
Yes, I would demur, seeing as I am not a vanilla. Also note that I wouldn't say my aim has been bad, note that loran was playing the role earlier, not me. Plus, with so many vanillas it is expected that I wouldn't hit all that often. Really, overall, I feel that my play has not been bad.
Loran told you to vote me? Why is Loran coaching you? And that's the best you have to say in response to a lengthy list of accusations? At least call in some kind of effort or something. You couldn't be bothered to defend or explain yourself, but could vote me. Just more scummy behavior from you.
Who is making emotional appeals now, Cyan? Did you even read my post? It was four o'clock in the morning and was a tad tired. I wasn't really up to posting anything. But here is the chatlog I received from loran last night:
[17:55] *** "Josh" signed on at Thu Jun 28 17:55:33 2007.
[18:21] Josh: how was the lcq?
[18:21] *** Auto-response sent to Josh: I am currently away from the computer.
[19:11] Josh: vote cyan when you get back immediately for tiebreakre purposes
[19:11] *** Auto-response sent to Josh: I am currently away from the computer.
[21:24] Josh: howd it go?
[04:10] *** You have been disconnected. Fri Jun 29 04:10:15 2007.
And to say loran is coaching me is ridiculous. This is a clan contest, where we play with our clan. We help each other and we consider the proper play together. So please cut that out, okay Cyan?
But Archy has just sealed your fate anyway. That's three vanilla town that have stated they received essentially the same role PM. There is no way that HKKID bluffed in this. This virtually confirms HKKID(me) as Vanilla Town, and SG as scum.
This is equally ridiculous. HKKID claimed vanilla first, yes. But he claimed nothing about what was in his PM until after AoK had. He would know that AoK was confirmed and knew that claiming that couldn't be bad. How does knowing this at all confirm you?
Archy stated that he received no message regarding being roleblocked. Most of the time anymore, even Vanilla roles will receive flavor letting them know that they have been blocked.
I don't remember so I will ask: AoK, when investigated, did you did a PM? Did any of you get protected? If so, did you get a PM then?
It's also worth pointing out that it was essentially never possible for HRothGar to be scum. With the way this game works, all he would have had to do was stall his ability until it only took 1 vote to lynch, Vig a townie in one post, lynch a townie in the next, game goes to night, he and cubus NK some townie and win. SG killed HRothGar because he knew that a single vote by anyone(and one was definetely coming, most likely from HKKID) would end the game and he(and the scum) would lose.
This doesn't work because we wouldn't have let him do this? There was far too much pressure on him for that to happen.
You can almost feel that scummy insincerity coming from his posts. Especially posts like 731, where he praises HKKID at the same time he is trying to condemn him. It makes no sense for someone that is town to praise the efforts of someone that is scum. All that it does is muddle the issue. It makes lots of sense for someone that is scum to praise the person he is attacking, because it softens the attack. Especially when it's someone like SG that is completely on the ropes. SG also lynched H'Roth-Gar in the *same post* where he 'comes clean' about his real role. Please note that HKKID was apparently opposed to this lynch, judging by his next post. SG is scum with absolute certainty.
For me to praise someone's play is scummy? That just seems coldhearted, Cyan, and I have never seen anyone make that argument before, let alone make it successfully. And as scum, why do I want to soften my argument on HKKID? At this point, it is most definitely you or me. So why would I want to make you sound better? I praised HKKID because, if you have read the whole thread, I have been praising him as the best townie all game long. I still think he has played an amazing game and I am a little embarrassed I was so sure of his townieness. Also, what does HKKID opposing H'Roth's lynch have to do with anything?
Reading the post that contains SG's 'case' against HKKID, there is no case at all. SG claims that Wamyc 'supported' him(SG) in his last post, but this is not really true. Wamyc was notably suspicious of SG, but used a hugely WIFOM argument against *himself* and notes also 'we'll rip you apart if there is a tomorrow'. Which there clearly is. If Wamyc were alive now, it is fairly obvious that he would be voting SG. Which is why SG killed him.
That is not what that post is saying, at all. Yes, he said that at the beginning of the post. But it was a stream of conscious post and by the end of it, he was supporting me. He even says he should unvote me unless he is missing something. I don't see any evidence at all that he would be voting for me. And that is why you killing him, because you knew he would be one of the townies supporting me, and not you.
Also, SG's excuse as to why his vanilla claim doesn't match up with what Loran said is pretty much the worst fabrication I've ever seen.
How? Why does it seem like a fabrication to you? Everyone in the game at the time, some now confirmed as townies, accepted it. Why can't you?
Something else. In his attack on HKKID, SG subtly attacks AoK and Archy as well. He uses an emotional attack(asserting that the two of them are likely to follow HKKID) to undermine their desire to lynch him. This is a terribly scummy thing to do. It puts AoK and Archy in a position where, if they vote SG after this, they just look like sheep because he called them out.
What? So I want to attack the players that I need to convince in order to win the game? You are simply trying to make my expression of my emotions into a way to paint me as the bad guy. You are one using emotions here. And AoK and Archy are townies, why would they care about how they look if they feel they are making the best play?
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two more points:
1- if i were modding a game with a lot of newbs, i'd probably have a lot of vanilla roles. even if you don't controll who gets them, you make it more likely that newbs will get roles that aren't too tough.
but clearly *someone* is lying.
2-SG: you're in the same position here. loran claimed that his role at first did and then didn't fit. i have a hard time believing that he would say that about vanilla.
could both scum make the same mistake? sure.
therefore, vote: cubus & fos: sorryguy
hroth, please vig cubus. you have my consent. please do so before the vote drops so we can verify your claim.
Wamyc also brings up a good point (and one that only strengthens my desire for everyone to flavor claim as well) in that Sorryguy's claim seems to invalidate what Loran said earlier.
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also, i assume hkkid is willing to use hroth's vig on cubus, seeing as he's voting cubus. could you say something if that's not the case, hkkid?
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Hmm, I'm not sure I like the dayvig idea. If cubus winds up as townie it puts us in Lyol.
* HKKID goes and thinks about it for a hour or so.
I've decided I'm ok with it. If cubus winds up town, the scum team is H'Roth + SG (both from process of elimination and from H'roth's most recent post). If cubus isn't town, we've just killed scum. Either way, I'm going to Unvote in case H'Roth doesn't make it back to the thread on time.
@ H'Roth, there's your 3 people in favor of the dayvig. 4 if you count yourself. Do it ASAP to give us more time to figure out today's lynch.
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Alright, I talked to loran and I know why he posted what he did. It would seem that when the game started Xyre was a moderator here. Recently, however, he resigned and left the same. This then makes Xyre a vanilla on the site, hence making him match the flavor. Really, it was just loran bringing in things outside the game (namely his forum politics) into the game.
Now, as for vigging Cubus, I think it is fine. If Cubus is not scum then H'Roth is right there for us. Either way, I think using it on Cubus is the correct play. I thought about it and still think that letting them go to tomorrow could work, but with the presence of a roleblocker this plan does not work. So I support vigging Cubus.
AoK: It's not like we are going to lynch you, we know you are confirmed. Stop worrying about it.
I also think that I have a pretty good case but I will wait until Cubus' death to present it.
Since HKKID unvoted, I'm going to keep my vote for the time being (at least until cubus is dayvigged) I think at this point hroth has the town's general consent. Certainly enough given the time limit.
Loran posted this in Xyre's resignation thread here. They were friendly.
Cubus, the problem here is that H'Roth can not be roleblocked where you can. At this point, I doubt you will ever even be able to use your kill and seeing as you are one shot you may as well be considered vanilla.
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At 7:14am GMT Wednesday, June 20, there was a shudder felt across the board as a light shines from the heavens and every post made by Cubus, Woapallane, Mafia Roleblocker was heckbanned, er, hellbanned. Luckily you're all mods, and can still see his posts! The rest of the forums are quite confused, however. . .
It's currently 12:15pm GMT Wednesday, June 20. The to-lynch drop was at 8:30am, with 6 alive it is now 2 to lynch. Day 4 will end in *~92* hours. Lemme know if I've messed this up, I've got baby brain @_@;
+ I did. It's only 2 to lynch right now, sorry @_@
Now, let's see...who was trying to hold off on the vig...
I think I'll wait on that until SG has a chance to voice his opinion regarding the death of the roleblocker.
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HKKID
Archy
Wamyc
SorryGuy
Did I miss anyone?
Of those, I actually like SorryGuy's explanation of his flavor (as that has been important/relevant for just about everyone else), so I'm not leaning toward him right now. Have any of the remaining three flavor claimed yet? If not I am highly for this course of action, and quickly... (I really thought it was going to drop to 2. It went from 7 to 6 alive, yes? shouldn't that be the same number of lynches?)
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AOK: Confirmed by Cop and Doc.
HKKID: Unconfirmed
Archy: Unconfirmed
Wamyc: Doc Confirmed
SorryGuy: Unconfirmed
H'Roth-Gar: Confirmed as daykiller. Alignment unconfirmed.
I'm willing to let H'Roth slide based on the assumption that the town probably had/has a vig. I'll rethink that tomorrow, but I'm fine with it for today. I'm also not going to try and get myself lynched, so that leaves Archy and SG as the two people I'm most interested in.
Archy (Krashbot) played a very pro-town game day 1. SorryGuy (loran) has been bugging me all game long. More importantly, he still hasn't explained why a vanilla needs everyone's flavor.
Unless he can explain that, I think SG is the best play for today.
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let's have a moment of silence for the widow woaplane, wailing wife to a wicked wretch we wasted.
i have no flavor claim. AFAIK, hydro doesn't have any particular reason to be vanilla. i expressed how odd i thought it would be to have vanilla be "appropriate" for any mod when we were talking about xyre/loran/SG. being vanilla myself, i don't understand a call for flavor from a claimed vanilla.
that'd be you, sorryguy.
i was trying to be coy in my recent post where i asked people to use only the flavor from their PM for a flavorclaim, to allow scum to trip up and make a flavorclaim for a vanilla when i knew there isn't one. well, there can't be more than one scum left, and openly requesting flavorclaims from a mostly vanilla field is the next worst thing.
therefore, FAKEVOTE: SG
+ I did. It's only 2 to lynch right now, sorry. Next drop in ~30 hours. . . I think @_@
(By the way, I have no idea what the last sentence here means, at all.)
Indeed. In mafia, we call this a gambit. However, seeing as one of our confirmed townies, Avatar of Kokusho, claimed to have flavor, I am not exactly sure what to do. I know that I do not have flavor, but the scum know that I am a townie and therefore had to assume that vanillas were given flavor. In doing so, I was hoping to get one to claim such. HKKID going first and saying he had no flavor hurt, but I figured I would continue with it just in case. Obviously, I couldn't have said this at first or it wouldn't have worked.
So, now, all I can assume is that not all of the vanillas roles are symmetric. I can believe it. So really we are not further now than we were then, unless we want to lynch AoK, which, by the way, we don't.
So where do we want to go then? Honestly, I have no idea. I think the play here has to be HKKID, H'Roth-Gar, or me. I know that I am town so between those two I really don't know. A mislynch today puts us into LyLo tomorrow. So which of us three has the most association with Cubus? It is definitely not HKKID. He started the case on Cubus and rode it the whole way. Plus, HKKID's play has been far and away the best all game. If he is scum, he deserves to win. Therefore, despite killing Cubus, I have to think that H'Roth is still the play. He did not chose to kill Cubus, we made him do so. In addition, as already proven, his play has not been very good. Plus, it explains the missing kill last night. The scum had to know that after claiming yesterday, H'Roth would likely be made to use his ability today. If so, and I am speculating here, I think they would use whatever mechanize they have to transfer their kill to the day. I think that being able to have a daykill, a powerful ability, although not as powerful later in the game, might make up for them being outnumbered 10-3 where normally it is 9-3 or even 8-3-1. So when we decide to vote, mine will be on H'Roth.
2-where did aok claim flavor?
3-do you really think the scum would give up a NK to give the town another lynch, even if they were sure the town was going to use it? they lose either way! [whether the town uses the daykill or not.] i'd rather risk losing hroth, seeing as it's not a sure thing and you claimed he wasn't playing well anyway. can you show how the mafia would be so sure we'd use hroth's ability today, and use it poorly enough to throw away a NK?
4- hroth: what do you have to say to SG's points? and please don't just use what i've said as your defense.
5- at SG: what do you mean "not all vanilla roles are symmetric?"
And what do I, as scum, have to gain from learning the flavor of vanilla townies?
Here:
These are fair points. For one, during the day they do not have to worry about doc protection, which at this point in the game is a pretty serious threat to the scum. In addition, and oh boy we are getting into WIFOM here, but I think the scum were willing to try and get H'Roth to win the game for them. By killing Cubus, he appears to be confirmed. It is their hope, then, that we just ignore him and he can get through with the win.
Also, as for losing H'Roth, I don't think that is the correct scum play seeing as Cubus was near the top of the list for most people of people to go after. As for being sure we would use H'Roth's ability today, well, it seemed pretty clear with him being the target of most of pressure yesterday. Also, letting him go to night without using the ability is likely not the best idea. This is one of the reasons I went ahead and approved of using the ability of Cubus.
Maybe symmetric was not the best word choice but what I am getting at is if AoK has flavor, that means that not all of the vanilla roles got the same PM. Some mods take the same PM and just change each sentence so that it corresponds to that role. So if this was so, all of us would not have flavor. But seeing as AoK, a confirmed townie, does, we can assume that the mod gave us all unique PMs which were not base off a skeleton outline.
That is not what that post says to me, but I wouldn't mind hearing what she has to say myself.
One other thing I would like to point out after reviewing a bit of the thread (I would do more, but time does not really permit. I figured I had some responsibility to at least look though):
Hellban does not seem like a townie sort of mechanism. Hellban sounds to me far more menacing than a townie vig. daykill. I also note that for Lesurgo's command to be hellban is not flavorly accurate. It is actually a pretty widely-known fact that Lesurgo does not cuss or curse at all. This is true to the point where he does say the the card name Damnation while playing magic. As a result, I find it strange that his command would be something like hell. Also, why the coloring? I notice HKKID used the same color in his next post, what is that about? At any rate, H'Roth if there is anything in your PM which indicates why your command for the daykill is what it is, please bring it to light.
D'oh! Well you had me completely suckered. I thought for sure you were lying about your claim to hide some flavor-related ability. I'm embarassed now.
AOK said "I believe that paraphrasing my role PM is acceptable: as Yukora, I believe that mature discussion is the way to solve things."
I just want to make sure here. You're saying that what AOK said doesn't accurately reflect what's in your role pm. You're not saying that you think she's lying. Am I correct?
Ironically, that's the flavor H'Roth gave us. He said that Gavin (Lesurgo) would swear this one time, because things got so bad...
I was just trying to highlight the names of the unconfirmed users. I've been using green for quotes, and orange was the next color that popped into my mind.
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I agree with the question on flavor regarding the command to vig a guy, when your role is Lesurgo, using a curse word. To my knowledge, Lesurgo doesn't. Ever. I will concede to the fact that your explanation made sense in a way.
As sad as it sounds, and I don't mean this in the wrong way, H'Roth's ability has been used. The possibility exists that is he in fact scum. He really doesn't have a function right now....so if we can't make a decision, he may be the best choice. There are six (?) of us left...what's the estimated number of mafia remaining?
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It would be really unbalanced with there were two mafia left. I have to assume that there is only one. So if we mislynch today we will go into tomorrow with four alive, three townies, one scum. So if we mislynch tomorrow too, we lose. We can mislynch today, though.
Well, she just explained it herself. But what I was saying is that it does reflect her PM which tells me that we have different PMs, which means that the whole call for a flavor claim was worthless.
Oh, sorry, I must have missed that. Considering I read all the thread at once, I guess it is unsurprising.
in fact, it looks a lot more like a casual comment made by scum trying to act pro-town, which he is now retroactively treating as a gambit to cover his ass. trying to elicit flavorclaims from everyone makes him look helpful and open.
however, there is NO flavor reason for a role to be vanilla, and we did get the same PM, SG. if you go and look at your actual role PM, all you vanillas should see exactly what AOK was paraphrasing in it. i gave you some time to look at the role PM to try to catch your mistake, but at this point i believe it's a mistake you made b/c you didn't get a vanilla pm.
did you even give yourself any breadcrumbing to cover yourself if you got called for asking for something you should know doesn't exist? if you put yourself in this precarious undercover position intentionally, wouldn't you have left yourself some out?
That's what it looks like.
Oh he's definitely lying through his teeth about being vanilla. The fact that he didn't even recognize the "mature discussion" bit was a dead giveaway. It's very clearly a paraphrase from the middle paragraph.
As for SG having an "out"... I think this was is :-/. SG... We KNOW you're lying about being vanilla. Would you like to try again, or should we just lynch you now?
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I am the townie roleblocker. Xyre, as one of the mafia players on the staff, knows how the interworkings of the game. As such, he is able to block one action each night. Loran did not blocked no one night one, and blocked Hunted Charlie night two. I blocked H'Roth-Gar last night.
Claiming this would not be good for the town, for obvious reasons.
With that, to ensure that the town does not make a mistake, and to attempt to end the game now I am going to go ahead and Unvote, Vote: H'Roth-Gar.
I'm assuming you chose to block him last night because you thought he could be lying about his role. Either that, or you're lying here, too. I guess I could understand about hiding a townie roleblocking ability, but this stinks like last week's tuna to me.
In case H'Roth isn't going to be lynched immediately, a really big, huge, giant FOS: SorryGuy because I am having a difficult time believing any of this.
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FOS:SG
you both lie and hammer w/out the town consensus.
VOTE:SG
then again, you're probably not lying because we'll rip you apart if there is a tomorrow, and if there were 2 mafia, they coulda hammered at two votes.
and no one would believe you, because you've been sneakier of late. because you were lying you could have just claimed roleblocker sooner.
still, you did get yourself out of a bind by hammering while no one would listen to you, killing the last scum, so...
YAY: SG
i guess... um ya know... unless i'm missing something. i suppose i should UNVOTE, then, huh?
SG that was incredibly NOT good. It's 100% believable that there's a vig in this game, and H'Roth is the only one who claimed it. At very least, he's more clear than Archy at this point. You made one of the worst moves possible, and all but confirmed you to be scum. I hope you can win the game tonight, because you're an auto-lynch tommorrow for a play that flagrantly damn scummy.
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There is not consensus about the motivations for his actions, however - "He could just be covering his own ass at his buddy's expense!"
There is a bit of discussion and a bit of confusion - when the smoke clears it appears that H'Roth-Gar, Lesurgo, Townie 1-Shot Dayvig, has been banned.
It is now Night 4.
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Night actions are due by 8am GMT Monday, June 25.
500 - Internal Server Error
is all that pops up - Oh Noes! You desperately hit refresh, there is a lag, but the board comes up this time. False alarm
Unfortunately it appears the wamyc, Hydrokinesis, Vanilla Townie, will not be joining you today. . .
It is now Day 5
With 4 alive, it is 3 to lynch.
It is currently 11:45am GMT Monday, June 25.
The 1-week deadline is set for 8am GMT Tuesday, July 3.
That was incredibly scummy. My guess is that you're the last Mafia left, so when we lynch you, the town wins.
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I shall. I figured HKKID would have posted by now, but alas, I will present my case with him absent.
So, I lied to the town because it is simply better that way. Scum knowledge is never a good thing. But then I determined it was necessary, I went ahead and did so because I knew that if we didn't just win yesterday, then they couldn't kill me because it would give away who they are. At any rate, with my ability I targeted Archy last night because with H'Roth dead I figured him to be the last scum. But then the kill went through. Seeing as we know that AoK is town, this confirms to me that HKKID is in fact the last scum.
I have to give it to him, I have no idea how he has played so well in his first game. Him leading the charge on Cubus was unexpected but I guess they determined that if one of them got the other lynched or killed, then the other would be left alone. It is a risky play, it is a gambit, but it is a very good one.
The kill from last night is even more of a tip off as to HKKID being the last scum. wamyc, as seen in his last post yesterday, supported me and my actions. As such, I would see scum not wanting him alive as he would agree with me. I also think that outside of HKKID, wamyc has done the most solid analysis this game. Again, I don't think HKKID wants that alive, instead he wants those who are more likely to follow him down the obvious play. And, no offense AoK, Archy, but both of seem to be likely to follow HKKID.
So yes, I understand that after yesterday I seem like the right play. But look at it this way: I was faced with the option of getting killed and having my side likely lose the game or having us be in a position where we win right away or we likely win on the next day. Yes, I had to do what a townie isn't supposed to do to it. But when it is for winning the game and for helping my clan, I think it is worth it.
You're still under my suspicion, though. Your argument makes sense, but I'm also pretty sure you're an experienced player, while this is my first game ever. I'm not yet good at it. I don't know what all the ploys and tricks of the trade are. You could be lying. But you could be telling the truth. This is why I'm taking the vote off you.
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SorryGuy: Follow HKKID? Sorry, but I really didn't get that. Could you explain abit more, if you would?
While I don't understand everything that's going on, I'm starting to think that it'd either be HKKID or SorryGuy. SorryGuy, for what happened on Day 4 (but he did present his case very good and I'm starting to think that it might not be you), but then again, I think I'll wait for what HKKID
has to say before saying more.
I was saying that as the last scum and now with you as a confirmed townie, HKKID is bound to attack me when he finally finds the thread. I was saying that he will make it seem like I am the obvious play and hope that you simply don't pay enough attention to see through what he is saying.
It is most definitively one of us, but it is not me, it can't be. I confirmed you last night, AoK has been confirmed, and I know that the scum isn't me.
HKKID, you lied. You lied straight up 100% no question about it, and I just caught it.
Bold emphasis mine.
I didn't HAVE a middle paragraph. I had about two or three lines, nothing broken into pieces, or anything. I will assume other vanillas are similar. Also, what makes you think that all vanilla roles would have the same text in them? They wouldn't; this is partially about flavor here and there's nothing flavorful about having different roles with the same text. Also, I reiterate: There is no way in this world or the next that you could have possibly gotten the same message I did, so don't go claiming that I paraphrased from the middle paragraph of something that didn't even have two.
Vote: HKKID
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@AoK: Can you direct me to the post that you're referring to where HKKID lied?
Other than that, taking a look at SG's posts just on this page(40ppp) it couldn't be more obvious that he is lying scum. Take into account the fact that he flat-out lied, and is now claiming a role that is technically MORE likely to be scum than town. You can almost feel that scummy insincerity coming from his posts. Especially posts like 731, where he praises HKKID at the same time he is trying to condemn him. It makes no sense for someone that is town to praise the efforts of someone that is scum. All that it does is muddle the issue. It makes lots of sense for someone that is scum to praise the person he is attacking, because it softens the attack. Especially when it's someone like SG that is completely on the ropes. SG also lynched H'Roth-Gar in the *same post* where he 'comes clean' about his real role. Please note that HKKID was apparently opposed to this lynch, judging by his next post. SG is scum with absolute certainty.
Can someone explain to me why Archy is considered confirmed now? Is it because SG would have theoretically blocked him last night? Archy, did you receive confirmation of being blocked?
I'll have to read up on the case against HKKID. In fairness, since it seems like 1 vote from being lynched, I am Stax, Vanilla town. The 'mature discussion' thing seems relevant, because my role PM says that I hope that we can work things out in a mature fashion.
EBWODP: I see that there is already a dead Mafia RB. All this means is that SG is bluffing his claim..unless someone can verify it somehow? Doubtful.
I think it's also worth noting that SG tries to subtly backup Cubus' claim, which we now know to be false, immediately before Cubus was day-vigged. Seriously, SG's track record is atrociously bad in this game, and I've only read the last two pages.
Also, can someone explain to me how the vote counts work here? It seems like, as the day goes on, it takes less votes to lynch a person. If this is the case, the solution to what is going on now is obvious. SG and AoK are already voting me. Archy and I can vote SG. When the vote threshhold drops to 2, SG and myself will both be lynched. AoK is already confirmed, and with SG claiming to have RBed Archy, one way or another, Archy cannot be scum. It has to be one of SG or myself(by which I mean SG, but you know what I mean). If the voting works as such, my plan is foolproof.
@Mod: Can you A)explain to me how the decreasing lynch threshold works, and confirm/deny whether or not two people can be lynched at once by virtue of it?
Edit again(sorry): Never mind, when I read the rules the first time, I missed the part where it explains that my plan won't work. Oh well, it would have been nice.
Back to the game of showing the town why SG is clearly scum, then. I honestly don't see the case against HKKID at all, whereas SG has acted as thoroughly scummy as possible in what I've read of the game thus far(the last two pages).
Reading the post that contains SG's 'case' against HKKID, there is no case at all. SG claims that Wamyc 'supported' him(SG) in his last post, but this is not really true. Wamyc was notably suspicious of SG, but used a hugely WIFOM argument against *himself* and notes also 'we'll rip you apart if there is a tomorrow'. Which there clearly is. If Wamyc were alive now, it is fairly obvious that he would be voting SG. Which is why SG killed him.
Also, SG's excuse as to why his vanilla claim doesn't match up with what Loran said is pretty much the worst fabrication I've ever seen.
It's also worth noting that, having read AoK's statement that her role hopes things work out in a mature discussion, my PM says the same thing. The statement that AoK attacked HKKID for is indicative that he was working from this perspective as well. His problem was that, as vanilla town, his role mentions the same thing that another vanilla town role mentions. Yet someone else claims vanilla town, and makes no mention of this? HKKID goes out of his way to call SG out on this in post 716, because AoK has, unknowingly, indicated that her role PM reads remarkly similar to his(my) own. SG is flat-out caught as a liar, here. He claimed vanilla town, but can't back it up. This is what HKKID noticed. It certainly explains why SG wanted to know everyone's flavor, as well. When called on this, SG does what? Claims that he just lied to cover his real role? Seriously...it's just absurd. He also says the mafia probably had to skip their kill so that HRothGar could use his daykill. Then later he claims that he RBed HrothGar the previous night.
Something else. In his attack on HKKID, SG subtly attacks AoK and Archy as well. He uses an emotional attack(asserting that the two of them are likely to follow HKKID) to undermine their desire to lynch him. This is a terribly scummy thing to do. It puts AoK and Archy in a position where, if they vote SG after this, they just look like sheep because he called them out.
I could also mention how, in his post 710, SG states that HKKID definetely doesn't have the most association with Cubus. But today, his story is exactly opposite of this? Honestly, SG's play the last couple days has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
On a somewhat unrelated note, can someone explain to me why HrothGar got lynched? He day-vigged a scum. The chance of him doing so, as scum, is virtually impossible. Oh wait, he got lynched because SG, knowing that a single vote would kill him, single-handedly lynched HRothGar instead. And he knew that 1 vote would lynch HRothGar, because the post *immediately* above his, by the Mod, said so.
Honestly, SG's behavior could not possibly be more anti-town. Even taking into consideration that Archy and AoK are clear, I have never, ever seen a more obvious instance of someone being scum. It probably shouldn't even have taken all of this post as evidence, but there is certainly more than enough here.Vote SorryGuy
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SorryGuy (1): Cyan
Not Voting (2): Archy, SorryGuy
With 4 players alive, it is 3 to lynch.
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Honest to god. Sorry, I just got home from a LCQ (18th, sooo close to product prizes :() and I can't comprehend mafia right now. Loran left me a message on AIM saying I vote Cyan whenever I got online, so Vote: Cyan. Cyan even being here blows my mind but whatever.
FoS: SorryGuy
FoS: Cyan
An FoS doesn't necessarily mean a vote, but that's just to state clear who are the possible scum.
Confirmation? Unless it was a PM or something, no, I did not. Are stuff like that confirmed anyway through PM? I'm not sure as to how that works.
As for the townie claim, pretty much it's because of KrashBot. He was the clan rep before the game, and he went inactive for awhile. I think it had something to do with his showcase of being extremely anti-scum.
However, for confirmation once more: I am Kraj, Vanilla Townie. I did also get the mature discussion thing.
But Archy has just sealed your fate anyway. That's three vanilla town that have stated they received essentially the same role PM. There is no way that HKKID bluffed in this. This virtually confirms HKKID(me) as Vanilla Town, and SG as scum.
When SG hammered H'Roth-Gar, he claimed to be the townie roleblocker. He haid that he roleblocked H'Roth the previous night, or attempted to, anyway. At that point, H'Roth had already claimed dayvig, and had freely discussed when the best time to use his ability was. He did so on the day he was lynched, and was successful in taking out scum.
Why did you kill him after he was all but confirmed, SG? More town = good, even if his ability was used up. A confirmed townie, in my mind, would be a last resort kill. Did you kill him because he was who he said he was? If you are scum, then getting rid of town is obviously your job. Was it revenge for your fallen scumbuddy?
Later, you claimed that it was completely obvious that HKKID was the last scum. Your explanation came later still, and you basically said that you felt that Archy and I would follow HKKID's wagon on you because of inexperience. (that guess is mine; I can't think any other reason). Then you went on an impassioned speech about how you felt you were doing what's best for the town by hammering H'Roth-Gar...which I don't get at all. He used his ability. It worked. Just as he said it would. Therefore, it was extremely unlikely that anything else he said was a lie. The possibility existed that he vigged one of his scumbuddies in order to save himself, but if that was the case, couldn't he eliminate a townie with his ability rather than kill off one of his own team?
Then came my attempt to force out some more information regarding roles. Didn't work out too well- but hey, I tried. I think the reason it didn't work as well as I would have liked it to is the fact that too much information has been shared already for me to trip anyone up. Also, I'm still new at this.;)
And now Cyan has replaced HKKID. All this replacing is making my head spin. It makes it rather difficult to keep up with things, but I'll give it a shot.
I'm trying to find the posts regarding role PM discussions, since that's what I tried to force out of people in the "HKKID lied" post. It seems as though three people (myself included) have similar text.
Ah, there they are. SG said that he had reasons for wanting to know the flavor of the role PMs. He also refused to explain his reasons for wishing to know until after everyone had done so. He also supported the vigging of Cubus.
Seeing as that the issues have been screwed by my own failed action, three out of four people are claiming to have similar text in their vanilla role Pms. The only one who demurs is SG. He is claiming townie roleblocker...with piss-poor aim, apparently, which is surprising for such an experienced player. There is no way for us to prove this, as far as I know. I do tend to agree that his actions have been scummy, and since my plan failed so spectacularly...
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HUGE FoS: SG.
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It's also worth pointing out that it was essentially never possible for HRothGar to be scum. With the way this game works, all he would have had to do was stall his ability until it only took 1 vote to lynch, Vig a townie in one post, lynch a townie in the next, game goes to night, he and cubus NK some townie and win. SG killed HRothGar because he knew that a single vote by anyone(and one was definetely coming, most likely from HKKID) would end the game and he(and the scum) would lose.
This is a simple process of elimination, honestly. All three claimed Vanilla have essentially verified themselves by referencing a particular line from their role PM. Because AoK and Archy are already confirmed, this is, more or less, confirmation that HKKID/myself is also Vanilla Town. SG is the only one that could be scum. Everything is very cut and dry.
Yes, I would demur, seeing as I am not a vanilla. Also note that I wouldn't say my aim has been bad, note that loran was playing the role earlier, not me. Plus, with so many vanillas it is expected that I wouldn't hit all that often. Really, overall, I feel that my play has not been bad.
Who is making emotional appeals now, Cyan? Did you even read my post? It was four o'clock in the morning and was a tad tired. I wasn't really up to posting anything. But here is the chatlog I received from loran last night:
[17:55] *** "Josh" signed on at Thu Jun 28 17:55:33 2007.
[18:21] Josh: how was the lcq?
[18:21] *** Auto-response sent to Josh: I am currently away from the computer.
[19:11] Josh: vote cyan when you get back immediately for tiebreakre purposes
[19:11] *** Auto-response sent to Josh: I am currently away from the computer.
[21:24] Josh: howd it go?
[04:10] *** You have been disconnected. Fri Jun 29 04:10:15 2007.
And to say loran is coaching me is ridiculous. This is a clan contest, where we play with our clan. We help each other and we consider the proper play together. So please cut that out, okay Cyan?
This is equally ridiculous. HKKID claimed vanilla first, yes. But he claimed nothing about what was in his PM until after AoK had. He would know that AoK was confirmed and knew that claiming that couldn't be bad. How does knowing this at all confirm you?
I don't remember so I will ask: AoK, when investigated, did you did a PM? Did any of you get protected? If so, did you get a PM then?
This doesn't work because we wouldn't have let him do this? There was far too much pressure on him for that to happen.
For me to praise someone's play is scummy? That just seems coldhearted, Cyan, and I have never seen anyone make that argument before, let alone make it successfully. And as scum, why do I want to soften my argument on HKKID? At this point, it is most definitely you or me. So why would I want to make you sound better? I praised HKKID because, if you have read the whole thread, I have been praising him as the best townie all game long. I still think he has played an amazing game and I am a little embarrassed I was so sure of his townieness. Also, what does HKKID opposing H'Roth's lynch have to do with anything?
That is not what that post is saying, at all. Yes, he said that at the beginning of the post. But it was a stream of conscious post and by the end of it, he was supporting me. He even says he should unvote me unless he is missing something. I don't see any evidence at all that he would be voting for me. And that is why you killing him, because you knew he would be one of the townies supporting me, and not you.
How? Why does it seem like a fabrication to you? Everyone in the game at the time, some now confirmed as townies, accepted it. Why can't you?
What? So I want to attack the players that I need to convince in order to win the game? You are simply trying to make my expression of my emotions into a way to paint me as the bad guy. You are one using emotions here. And AoK and Archy are townies, why would they care about how they look if they feel they are making the best play?