With regards to Guardman, I've known for a while that it wouldn't take much for me to be swayed into voting for him. I started out the game thinking he was just a noob, now it's too many things piled on top of each other, which Cyan's case summed up in a way I actually was able use to reformulate my opinion.
I cannot honestly recall you expressing much suspicion of Guardman. Cyan's PBPA merely summarized Guardman's scumminess, dC & myself (&TMT a bit IIRC) have been pointing these things out for a while (all day 1 in my case -_-).
Your suspicion and vote just comes off as incredibly convenient.
@Eco - When you get the chance, is the ability that SB was processing in twilight but DYH processed at night going to be processed at night from here forward or what? I don't need to know what it is, and if it was a one-shot I don't need to know that, either.
I'm not sure that I'd buy Guardman as scum yet. He's certainly playing badly, but I don't know that he's being his usual scum self (such as Crackhouse Mafia).
I think it's fascinating some people continue to push CC as scum based on his disappearance alone; there's an underlying motive lurking underneath the surface.
On Ande: The push for Ace given replacement seems like a very newby scum tactic. It seems most out of character. Could be borne of frustration at a potential easy mis-lynch getting away, so he must be watched closely.
Waiting for Ace's replacement seems the only logical thing to do.
Most out of character as compared to what? The only logical thing that you proposed? Now why would doing the only logical thing be the province of town and not scum? Isn't it far more likely for scums to do "the only logical thing"?
I didn't "go back on my statement". I do still think he's scum. I just no longer think it's prudent to lynch him at this time. He's a confirmed protective role. I'd rather hold off and give any investigative roles out there a chance to have a look at our day-doc.
False. I'm not clearing him at all.
I downgraded my vote to an FoS, because I still think he's probably scum but don't feel like he needs to be lynched right now.
If you feel someone is scum, you should feel he should be lynched, irregardless of role. You backing off in the spirit of letting the "scum" be confirmed, despite your belief, doesn't speak well of you.
Question: Why would scum-Eco save town-AE from likely mislynch by coming forward with that info?
Remove assumption: Ecophagy investigated AE
Assume: Ecophagy investigated someone else OR is lying about his ability entirely
Question: Why would scum-Eco save town-AE from likely mislynch by appearing to confirm his claim?
Question: Why would scum-Eco expose himself to risk from someone saying 'you targeted someone else instead'?
Remove assumption: AE = town
Assume: AE is not mafia, but not town
Question: Why would scum-Eco expose himself to risk from AE dying at some point and coming up something other than what he claimed?
...simple logic says that Eco being scum and AE being town does not make sense. Each of the other three scenarios is possible; this one is not, which is why I questioned ced395 bringing it up as a possibility.
Eco could be the role he claimed to be and yet still be a scum simply because he gets to "clear" himself. You had be surprised at how one tends to turn a blind eye towards any scummy behavior from a "confirmed townie". Also, his role is the type of role (unlike a roleblocker) that doesn't penalize his scum team if exposed or become town-directed.
Ultimately, I think that GM has shown some pro-town behavior(some of his reasons for voting NA were valid, but again, this came after he was already on the wagon), but for the most part, he has blindly followed people from one wagon to the next, trying to make absolutely anything stick, declaring the wagon really strong, then just as quickly abandoned it. Unvote, Vote Guardman
Erratic and zealous, yes, but I fail to see how that confirms GM as scum.
I don't think him resetting his own votes is a particularly big deal, but I'm not really satisfied with those reason(s) for the various wagons. It seems to me that, if you were town and recognized this pattern, you would have stopped doing it.
If he is town and recognized that pattern, he would have simply continue to play the same because that is how he plays as town. Now, if he is scum and recognized that pattern, then he would have a reason to change his play.
No reason not to put my vote back. His post at kpaca to "explain these posts by Ace" was enough to seal the deal. Anyone should know that a replacement isn't going to be able to accurately explain his predecessor made certain posts. Feels like a trap to get people looking back to Ace/kpaca instead of him; try to get kpaca to defend the those posts, then call him scummy for it.
Ah, you're putting words into GM's mouth here. I didn't see in any posts where GM called kpaca scummy after his defense of it. You know, it's like you stated what GM did and then put in a negative assumption at the end there just to justify your vote.
Note: Eco's #997 is making me rethink my stance on him. Mmm.
If you feel someone is scum, you should feel he should be lynched, irregardless of role. You backing off in the spirit of letting the "scum" be confirmed, despite your belief, doesn't speak well of you.
I honestly don't see what you and Raf have a problem with here. Yes, I honestly think he's scum, but I hardly have Sherlock Holmes' track record when it comes to scum hunting. I'm not confident enough in my scum hunting ability to lynch a confirmed doc.
Ah, you're putting words into GM's mouth here. I didn't see in any posts where GM called kpaca scummy after his defense of it. You know, it's like you stated what GM did and then put in a negative assumption at the end there just to justify your vote.
I wasn't "putting words in GM's mouth". I pointed out what I considered GM's likely motive for asking the question. And no he didn't say anything like that afterward, but then again kpaca didn't fall into the trap either. To give you an idea of where I'm coming from, in the Simpsons Mafia (it was a newbie one), Evil_Homestereo replaced out and Netfinity came in. EH was the main wagon at the time, so Net was facing a lynch from the get-go. Net made the mistake of trying to explain some of EH's posts that had drawn negative attention. I was scum that game, and it was like Christmas had come early. It was way easy to keep the wagon going because Net decided to defend EH rather than just say "I can't explain his posts, cuz I'm not him". He did mention that point of course, but didn't take his own advice and kept arguing over them. When GM decided to ask kpaca to give reasoning behind Ace's posts, it rang alarm bells in my head.
I think it's fascinating some people continue to push CC as scum based on his disappearance alone; there's an underlying motive lurking underneath the surface.
..They are? Who? CC is dC now...
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Most out of character as compared to what? The only logical thing that you proposed? Now why would doing the only logical thing be the province of town and not scum? Isn't it far more likely for scums to do "the only logical thing"?
Ande's move seemed to me to be something a newby scum would do. This is out of character from his level of experience, and general town appearance thus far.
Far more likely true, but you are ruling out gambits & knee jerk reactions and the like, which seems foolish.
Now that my computer is finally fixed I'll be on more often.
Quickly reading through to catch up I'm feeling Zionite as scum. Jumping in and going after Cyan and getting called on it from Andelijah he quickly jumps ship unvotes and changes his thought. Unvote Vote Zionite
No, I think he is scum for saying, screw it let's lynch him, before DYH can get a replacement. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Guardman's reasons for voting ande are not unreasonable, of course. ande was dodgy there. But the manner of doing so (and the track record of wagonning so far) is the iffy bit. His voting NA likewise (when i re-read him before voting, I had to reconcile that and decide I thought Guardman was more likely scum than NA, as of course I found NA scummy then and still do to some extent).
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This is blatant gaming of the mod. Knock it off.
It has been proven that not everybody has an ability change, and for balance reasons nobody is going to have roles of the same power level. If you want to look at it from a power-level perspective, I am above a vanilla.
@Rafk: If there is a vanilla in this game, do you believe he has another ability, you know, besides being vanilla?
This is not an unreasonable point. I tend to think that if the mod gives someone a non-vanilla role, it will do something. Pale Mage described it as a neutered Governor/Pardoner, but it's so neutered it doesn't actually prevent a lynch, which is the entire point of one of those roles (unless it does and that's the trick, of course). It took a handful of hours for us to get the votes back on and undo the entire ability.
I've taken some time and briefly reread day 1 and thoroughly reread day 2 and the last page or two of Day 1, but I've come up dry as far as trying to figure out another potential target.
I find AE and Ace the scummiest, but I'm not comfortable in voting for AE given the information available, and I feel kpaca is performing in a fairly townie manner after Ace replaced.
Now that my computer is finally fixed I'll be on more often.
Quickly reading through to catch up I'm feeling Zionite as scum. Jumping in and going after Cyan and getting called on it from Andelijah he quickly jumps ship unvotes and changes his thought. Unvote Vote Zionite
I'm not sure how discovering a fundamental flaw in my reasoning and compensating in light of that makes me scum. What would you have done if I had said "NO ANDE! I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!"? Seems like you needed a reason to jump ship on your own vote.
Now that I should be thinking clearer...
Revised scum list:
1. Archmage Eternal
2. Night Archer
3. Guardman
4. WoD
5. Cyan
6. Lurker
Since everyone is moved up and Cyan moved down, I'm gonna do a quick re-read on AE.
The following is every post made by Archmage Eternal. While reading I'd like to you notice the sheer lack of content in these posts. There are very few posts that are even more than a few sentences.
This is a jumpy response to kpaca senior placing a third vote on himself. With 24 people in the game, I thought it was pretty interesting that 3 votes made him sweat.
I don't like this. Are you trying to get me to delete my first post? Bad, very bad.
I like this. Funny, very funny.
So you bring up that there are no mafia roles. But you don't believe he has abilites to help the town and place a vote indicating hes mafia. FOS NA
Link to this post. I don't see how he gets "you're trying to get me to delete my post" from some random phase silliness. But his FOS on NA makes no sense whatsoever, especially not in the context of the quotes he provided.
This is where AE really starts having topics to post about but fails to do so in detail. The random stage has more or less dissipated by this time, yet his posts do not extend for very long and remain short and contentless.
Yeah this is so anti town. Stating that your serious negates any joke/random. Vote Night Archer
fos Shadow Knight. Trying to lead the town away from his scum buddy
The vote isn't what's important here. It's the FOS on Shadow Knight. This is is second FOS, and both are put forth in such a way to look like he's adding something to the discussion but he's really not at all. Also, he never persues this suspicion on Shadow Knight, yet jumps on the Night Archer wagon incognito.
When he brought up the claim from another player from another game (ongoing, which I'm in) I saw where he was coming from.
Click on this post. TMT sums up exactly what I'm feeling at this point. AE provides a very weak defense, not even addressing TMT's full accusation. He dances around the Shadow Knight FOS.
@Kapaca- why I didn't vote right away? I wanted to see how he replied to things
@TMT-Alot of posting, heavy work schedule due to the 4th. Will for sure look back on the wagon. I don't tend to have long post anyway so try not to hold that against me.
"I wanted to see how he replied to things".
...really?
Where is the content?
Its not here.
And it seems like fishing.
The game for the scum is "knock off the useful roles" in this setup, and with our current body count it seems it couldn't have gone better for them. Possible link here.
I'm giving him the opportunity to defend himself and clarify what he means instead of barning those that defend him. To me this is obvious.
so it means nothing to me toward his defense. Sorry if I don't jump right in with a vote here. But I want to hear more from him.
Read: I'm trying to start a bad wagon before I jump on the next one.
And I also like how stingy he is with his votes now, after his Night Archer vote/shadow knight fos.
Rafaelk I understand where you are coming from here. He got his mafia abilities and thought everyone got them in their PM. But what about what MMoD says here?
Kpaca, do you have a case? I'd like to know why you think I'm scum.
Read: I'd like to respond, but I'd rather play it safe and give you someone elses words.
I thought you didn't know about the mafia abilities AE? You were questioning Kpaca an awful lot(as much as you can at least, with 7 whole words).
There would be no way to confirm them unless someone outed themselves and said what they did. I don't think we'd be able to confirm them until we had some confirmed townies.
Could you point me to his attacks? No, because he has not presented one. On the Cantrip/Roja wagons. I'm reserved to vote with them being what they say they are. This can be confirmed later in the game.
AE gets sassy here in response to more suspicion on himself. Seems he only posts his little bit of content when there's pressure to do so(even still).
He also forgets(though earlier it was very clear in his mind) that roles don't indicate alignment.
The jjj means nothing, forgot to delete it. It was just so I could preview page before I started typing.
So we just believe an unconfirmed player?
Someone brought up the post and I was answering.
The reason I said to no lynch before mafia are chosen was because StormBlind said this is a no mafia role set up.
I'm not sure where he gets the unconfirmed player idea or the idea that the game started with the teams undecided.
WOW. SO MUCH CONTENT.
I don't see how he has missed the very fundamentals of the game, given it was in the rules. Though at this point not a lot of people understood, so its pretty null.
How would you confirm them? You can't just take peoples word. You need someone thats confirmed.
There is no way to confirm. Besides, why would you need someone confirmed? If the watcher/tracker shouts scum, and they're wrong, then they die. Its too risky for scum to gambit. We also now know both the watcher and the tracker were town.
Ok I wasn't commenting on this because of my ongoing game. If your going to look into Battle Royale as a case against me you have to look into Manga also. It just finished up and I was the SK their also, which shows a different play style from BR. My posting will be limited this week, my computer is getting repaired.
No content. Merely suggests you read games that have nothing to do with his current play here and now.
Do you care to elaborate on this night action of yours? If its saying I did something its a lie. Lets hear it. How does my post say I'm scum? I was letting TMT know why I didn't respond to his SK claim based on BR. To me it was a ploy from TMT to brand me as an SK so I could become an easy mislynch.
This sent off red flags in my mind. Especially the bolded. We know now that it was no big deal, but his defensiveness was just insane. This is still the case now, when I put him as my number two and he freaked out and threw and OMGUS vote on me based on two posts. He's done this all game.
Why would he claim his night action finds me scum. That would be the worst thing he could do seeing how I am not and did nothing last night. If lynched I turn up town then faces turn to him. Thats why I want to know.
The worst thing he can do is say you're scum? People have been saying that for 700 posts.
It didn't even dawn on me that I was being roleblocked.
I'll look back and present a list.
I feel really detached from this game. I have limited internet as my computer is out being repaired. I should have it back in a week to a week and a half.
I find it hard to see where I am scum. Especially seeing how people are claiming that I haven't produced much of anything in this game but the votes are pilling up.
As to my claim. I'm a day doctor. I have to kill the traitors to win.
It didn't dawn on you that you were blocked? Yet you took no action, and you knew you were blocked.
STILL waiting on that list of yours.
Its also fairly easy to see where and how you are scum, reading your posts.
I'm looking at Some One as scum the way he jumps on my wagon saying I'm obv, scum then jumps right off from the comment from Cyan regarding being roleblocked and not knowing. If he felt strong enough that I atempted a night action and was block to place a vote then there was no need to unvote.
TMT has my suspicion also. Calling for my lynch based on Battle Royal, pushing for a lynch based on limited post by me. To me he's trying for an easy out. I come up town, oh well there was not much to go on. That way he's safe from a mislynch.
I'm hesitant on Night Archer.
VOTE Some One
Yet another OMGUS vote on a wagon that'll never get going. It seems again to me that you're trying to lurk in plain sight.
Then OMGUS suspicion on TMT.
I guess you don't vote for anyone who isn't suspicious of you in some way. Defensive much?
@Cyan, how do you know about Ged?
I don't target at night only during the day.
A doc that kills I don't see it. Put in all that time protecting just to kill? Alot of time to put in for things to go right.
Cyan has just found his way on my scum list.
If I'm lynched, look to him.
Apparently Cyan is scum based on his role(in THIS setup), AND he's now on this invisible, pretend scumlist. I'd watch out Cyan. This guy is 4 reel.
Very convenient Cyan. Maybe some work for a cop. You better hope WOD does not come up town like I will because it will be an easy lynch for the town then.
This kind of talk makes me really :eyebrow:. Just a bad post. It seems like he's trying too hard to seem townie.
Or your hiding behind a false claim. Allowing you to go about killing and joining wagons without suspicion, as you've done mine after posting against it.
Read: Don't address me, I'd rather not answer any questions.
Hide behind a false claim? In THIS game? lol wut?
Cyan would be. Pushing kills on two potentially townies the town would not think highly of him.
Its just to easy for scum to jump on and get that kind of wagon going. To push for a lynch for lack of post early on is not that helpful. Having a large marging of the town going after someone thats lagging behind in posts is taking away from weeding out scum.
1) working on it.
2) Not the only game, still working on it.
Lol at the bolded. I hardly classify Day 2 as early game, and your posts having no content again and again is inexcusable with this reasoning. It also seems like you're defending the lurkers. Why? Are your scumbuddies lagging behind?
You're also working on a scumlist that no one has seen, yet you've already publicly said 3 or 4 suspects? And you're working on posting more, yet we haven't seen that either?
If hes town its bad, puts the light on him the next day. Good for the town if hes scum, gives the town a target to go after.
Well I can't tell you what to think. Just reveal who I am and get conformation.
OK, I was in reference of being called out for lurking
Click on this post. Andelijah is spot-on in the quotations. Apparently Archmage's defense is "trust me, I'm town", and his strategy is to claim and have someone clear him and say he's town.
Glad scum hunting is on the list in your busy schedule.
I've had no internet over the week. My computer is out for repairs till the end of the week, so I'll be limited till then.
Why are you so afraid of Cyan?
And if you think Cyan is scum, where is your vote on him?
And also, if Cyan is scum, why do you follow his suspicions of Guardman?
Now that my computer is finally fixed I'll be on more often.
Quickly reading through to catch up I'm feeling Zionite as scum. Jumping in and going after Cyan and getting called on it from Andelijah he quickly jumps ship unvotes and changes his thought. Unvote Vote Zionite
Yet another OMGUS, opportunistic vote.
Summary for the tl;dr guise:
Guilty of non-content posts
Guilty of several omgus votes
Fairly defensive to any suspicions directed toward him
Still has not produced a promised scumlist or any word of ever making one
Jumps on wagons with FoS so as to not attract attention
Scum hunting not high on his priority list, yet surviving is his main priority
Defends lurkers and people with either less content or less posts than the other players
Uses the confusion of the setup to push wagons("Cyan is scum because a doc that kills seems scummy or false")
I cannot honestly recall you expressing much suspicion of Guardman. Cyan's PBPA merely summarized Guardman's scumminess, dC & myself (&TMT a bit IIRC) have been pointing these things out for a while (all day 1 in my case -_-).
Your suspicion and vote just comes off as incredibly convenient.
If I remember right, Day 1 I was leaning noob town, but as the day started to end my gut was telling me that's less likely to be true, but the CTM wagon was already going crazy, so I didn't want to jump off of it.
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If I remember right, Day 1 I was leaning noob town, but as the day started to end my gut was telling me that's less likely to be true, but the CTM wagon was already going crazy, so I didn't want to jump off of it.
I honestly don't see what you and Raf have a problem with here. Yes, I honestly think he's scum, but I hardly have Sherlock Holmes' track record when it comes to scum hunting. I'm not confident enough in my scum hunting ability to lynch a confirmed doc.
So, you giving AE a pass is due to the fact he's a confirmed doc and only that, despite your honest belief he is scum? In this specific game?
Ande's move seemed to me to be something a newby scum would do. This is out of character from his level of experience, and general town appearance thus far.
Far more likely true, but you are ruling out gambits & knee jerk reactions and the like, which seems foolish.
I don't think Ande is inexperienced. Regardless, I think it's less likely for a scum to run a gambit that would focus attention on himself or herself pushing for something unlikely to happen.
Been there, done that.
PoE prevails with AE here, I think. He's highly likely not mafia (I strongly suspect that he doesn't know who to trust), and he's apparently been role-investigated, and so isn't the SK (as was widely suspected, if I remember correctly), so, by process of elimination, he's town.
So then what? Let him slide? How much credit are you going to give him?
If I remember right, Day 1 I was leaning noob town, but as the day started to end my gut was telling me that's less likely to be true, but the CTM wagon was already going crazy, so I didn't want to jump off of it.
Wait...what?
I had just woken up and that definitely doesn't read the same as what I meant. What I was trying to say was that by the time my gut was headed that way around the time everyone agreed CTM was the lynch for the day and jumping off was the wrong thing to do because I thought it was better to lynch him than GMan at that point.
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I had just woken up and that definitely doesn't read the same as what I meant. What I was trying to say was that by the time my gut was headed that way around the time everyone agreed CTM was the lynch for the day and jumping off was the wrong thing to do because I thought it was better to lynch him than GMan at that point.
If you're actually town, care to say anything more productive while you're still able to speak?
...honestly I got nothing.
Then again this seems to happen to me a lot. But I am not complaining. I enjoy myself and that is what counts.
As for more productive things. I find NA, Eco, and andel scummy, and feel that andel got excited and saw a good chance for a mislynch in Ace through his bad behavior and need for a replacement. And therefore jumped on it.
Pressed for time, so no fancy lynch scene; sorry, kids.
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Caecilius Liberalis
District: Syracuse, Sicilia
Ancestry: Greek
Profession: Saviour
“Until philosophers are kings, or the kings and princes of this world have the spirit and power of philosophy, and political greatness and wisdom meet in one, and those commoner natures who pursue either to the exclusion of the other are compelled to stand aside, cities will never have rest from their evils - no, nor the human race, as I believe - and then only will this our State have a possibility of life and behold the light of day.” I learned these words by heart in my youth along the sun-drenched coastline of Sicilia from my teacher Aristophanes the Greek. Despite my citizenship, my family was fiercely proud and protective of our Greek heritage, so Greek was the language spoken in my household while Latin only when dealing with outsiders. Being an only child left me severely short of real friends so Plato, Pythagoras, Homer and Hesiod became my closest companions. The Republic in particular inspired me into a life of public service, with a particular bent towards creating that ideal republic with its division of labor along lines of natural talents that Plato envisioned.
Despite a more than normal portion of youthful naivety and exuberance, I managed to get myself moved up the ranks pretty quickly in the tax collection service of the Empire. Being a loner, the natural unpopularity of this position did not bother me in the least; instead it gave me more time to study and acquire more of my precious texts. I managed to get myself into the seat of chief collector for the entirety of the City of Syracuse. I went about setting up my office much like the soul should be: along lines of each man’s talents. Sadly, this decision did not inspire the adoration of all due to the fairness of it; all it did was create powerful enemies for me by those incompetent but privileged sons. Through a lot of it, I reminded myself of my favorite quote: philosophers are not kings, so there were bound to be imperfections in the social order of things. My job was to try and right the souls of those complaining; so I did by telling them how they could improve their skills to better serve the State.
Most of them did not take kindly to my highlighting of their shortcomings and sadly enough for me that caused a lot of problems for my family. Right around this same time, my parents died in a chariot accident which normally would be a boon for an only child like me. However, upon his death, I found that the only thing I found myself inheriting was a mountain of called upon debts. I had to sell our villa and everything in it to save myself from going into slavery. All of this chaos made me file a petition for reassignment to the first available post in the Empire, regardless of geographic location. Fortune smiled upon me because it was hardly a fortnight that I heard back from Rome itself that Britania had a promotion post waiting for me that several others had turned down due to the extreme remoteness of the post. That exact trait appealed to me most, so about a year ago I relocated here and have worked towards putting my dreams to work in this office.
From last ordeal, I know that the justice of man is deeply flawed, so I have developed a method for saving those falsely accused by a mob. The ability to sow confusion amongst all of what duties are owed for all those goods being enjoyed at the court usually causes enough confusion for any jury to forget who they were condemning.
Abilities: Can grant one person a day a vote reset. This does not prevent them from being lynched, merely requires that the town puts those votes on that player again.
Win con: Save Britannia from the Traitors /// Save Britannia from the Romans!
Guardman was town.
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It is now Night 2. Please have all actions submitted by Tuesday, August 25th, 8am ET.
The bloodshed is minimal this night; in fact, it appears that the one who did die, Wrath_of_Dog, did so peacefully in his sleep.
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Sparsus Clemens
District: Augusta Treverorum
Ancestry: Belgian
Profession: Soldier
“Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.” This motto has been in my family for generations going back to my ancestors who Julius Caesar once described as “the bravest of the three groups [of Bauls], because ‘merchants least frequently resort to them, and import those things which tend to effeminate the mind.’” I know this to be true because my ancestors were actually signing a treaty with Caesar when he made that remark. Since then it has been an heirloom that has called all males into the military. I supposed that even if it hadn’t been my ancestors there, I still would be fighting, I mean, the name of my people means “descendants of the lightning god” and a powerful, vengeful and warlike god he is.
I have been a student at the art of war since I was a child. Name a Germanic tribe of barbarians and I have fought them. That is why I found myself in Britannia; I fought the Celts off in Belgae and while they were among the toughest opponents that I have faced, they still stop fighting when a limb or head is detached. Besides those weaknesses, their lack of armor and simple tactics make it easy to defeat them if you have brave men who can do what they are told and ignore all the yelling. A gladius slipped between the links of ring mail or through a leather shirt usually can quiet the yelling down. Once the initial charge has dissipated, their “run at everyone in one line” limits their ability to fight coherently as an army and thus make the fights closer.
However, I must say that for all my love of war and battle, I could do without the things that come in the interludes between them. Sure the women and wine are great craic and a great way to unwind, but even the thrill of the best woman pales in comparison to that of a great fight. Tavern brawls and duels quiet the hunger but still leave me wanting as well. There simply isn’t any replacement for battle but there is one thing that I hate about the interludes the most: politics. I care not who or what I fight for; only that I know who my enemy is and that I will have the opportunity to kill him in great numbers.
Politics, on the other hand, I have a real problem with. Why would one start a quarrel with someone else if they didn’t intend to bring it to its logical conclusion: on the dueling ground. I have learned to understand it (after hiding the bodies of course) and not leave large quantities of “missing people” in my wake. However, I have a tough time forgiving anyone who attacks me. They might later rescind their attack and even apologize to me, it takes me a long time to truly forgive them for their actions.
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Abilities: During the game, any votes placed on you persist throughout the rest of the game. At the end of each day, the amount of "persistent" votes on you decreases by half. You will be informed of what votes are still on you. A person cannot vote you multiple times if a persistent vote is still on you from them.
Win con: Destroy the traitors, stop combat from following you /// Eliminate the legions to live in peace.
A better death than he deserved, no doubt, traitorous scum.
Er, no, that's not my entire suspicion of you, neither is it an accurate description of any of my case on you. I'm suspicious of you for Wuffles' scummy posting, and for you coming in with a bunch of "suspicions" on easy targets, some of whom were very likely to die soon (and, indeed, two have done). And other things which I have outlined.
Your response to this is to misrepresent and dismiss my case, without even making an attempt to answer it. Doesn't seem like a town response to me in the slightest.
Ok. But how does that make me scum? Two way street my friend.
And I also can't defend for Wuffles. But I can say there was a reason for his strangeness.
It made you "start reading him as town"? Why's he still on your scumlist, then? Taking into account dead players, he's now third on your scumlist behind AE and NArcher. That's pretty high up a scumlist with, what, 19 living players?
Who's scumlist are you reading? Definitely not mine. I think ged is town.
I'm hardly letting him slide, I'm taking into account what is actually an indication of his alignment, as opposed to relatively trivial accusations of lack of content. I don't think he's mafia, there's behavioural clues to that in his early posts and 567, and he's not the SK, as evidenced by Eco's investigation.
Of course now in light that Cyan did effectively kill a scum, it makes me move him down farther. Past a lurker in fact.
Doesn't that almost guarantee that he is town? Sure he could be a neutral or SK (I doubt SK, but it's a possibility that exists), which is why it doesn't guarantee, but what makes him still make the scum list? He's delivered us the first dead scum of the game, why would you still think he is scum?
As would I. It seems a fairly open and shut case. I'll hold off on a vote pending a votecount, since I don't have the time to go count how many people have voted so far.
As an aside, following the events of yesterday I am definitely happy to give ande a pass (I mostly thought he was just being lazy anyway, but now I definitely think he was just being lazy).
As would I. It seems a fairly open and shut case. I'll hold off on a vote pending a votecount, since I don't have the time to go count how many people have voted so far.
Yesterday, I seem to recall you saying that you didn't think he was scum, because you didn't think that Wuffles was capable of gambits such as the one he may have been running with the recruiting info at the start (837).
Now it's "oh yeh, claim is good".
Yup.
What changed your mind on him?
He was starting to make me itch slightly towards the end of the day yesterday. Some of what's come out of his mouth this morning makes me feel the same way.
For that matter, why is he currently a better pursuit for you than kpaca (was Ace)?
Because you and Cyan are voting for him. This is going to have to get worked out one way or another. Then I can look elsewhere.
Interactions of you and Wuffles with WoD. In particular, the way you put him high on your scumlist, but then defended him. Feels like you knew he was going to die and turn up scum, and wanted to try and look good for when it does happen, whilst trying to make an effort to paint WoD as town and prevent it (also curiously done by attacking Cyan).
It's exactly what you did at the start of your post too. Going "We caught a scum! Well done vig!" is just a way to make yourself seem town whilst doing nothing. I mean, yesterday, you were saying that he (WoD) might be town.
When did I defend WoD? I attacked Cyan because I had legitimate concerns, not to defend someone else. That doesn't make any sense at all.
And turning my congrats into something game related is pretty low.
Well, a townie would see the problems that I've outlined in my post, and respond to them, attempting to point out any errors of logic, or explain apparent discrepencies, or tell everyone what you were thinking at the time, and all the stuff that comes with that. However, a scum may realize this to be the best course of action towards defending oneself, and do this as well, so it's not really a tell on its own.
In your case, meanwhile you opted to ignore my points, and go "oh, so you're basically attacking me for some bad reason? Pfft..." (total strawman, by the way). Why did you do this? Because you didn't have an answer, your only mindset to turn to if you attempted to answer the points is a guilty one, and you're scum.
Now you're stalling from having to say more by asking me to explain myself further.
ok. What are you saying here? I don't see how it makes me scum.
Wait, so somebody claims to know he was town, then he vigs a scum, and he's still only moving at a sluggish rate down your scumlist?
I can't believe that you're being genuine about your scumlist here. Feels like you're making it up.
If that's what you believe. It doesn't seem like there's anything that'll change your mind.
Sorry about that. I was on the edge of my seat reading up on this game 3 days ago and DYH never logged...until the day I had things to do. I had just tonight remembered I offered to replace.
Before I forget, @Ged, Cyan: Did you get mod confirmation that WoD would die with one more target? This matters.
Also, something i've been screaming at my computer for most of the week:
Roles do not indicate alignment!
So docs can be scum. Hell anyone can be scum, or town, or whatever. Meaning, behavior is the only thing we have to go on here, and maybe the random aid from a townie role.
Keeping all that in mind, with a fresh read, my top scums:
1. Cyan - I'm familiar with Cyan, his playstyle as scum and town. Now I've been out of the game(hardcore at least) since berserk mafia(if anyone remembers, I got in a flame war there), but my whole read Cyan's choices just seemed off. Day 1's lynch was all Cyan would post about, and when he came up town he didn't even flinch, just moved on to dog someone else. I generally haven't agreed with his lynch choices. Not only this, but he's been hopping around a lot Day 2(today). Thats also not like him at all. I was almost thinking maybe he has a posting restiction(these exist), but then he came out with an UNWARRANTED full claim. I say unwarranted because his reasoning for claiming was to counterclaim. But as we all know, that doesn't help in this setup! So instead of being a normal dogged Cyan(whom no one would question, its his style), he instead outed not just himself but another doc. I would not be surprised to see Ged get NKed at all.
(side note: I believe Ged to be likely town due to his Day 1 play, and his discretion involving his role.)
While his most recent choice, Guardman, is a bit reasonable, his past choices have not been so. I may end up doing a PBPA, but with Cyan its interactions, not content, for the most part.
2. archmage eternal - Post 723
guardman, wod, night archer,
my first real post of the game. Click on the smiley face. Anyone who's played with me for a long time knows I hide my claims in links on smiley's.
I'm a senatorial guard - liar. I'm Egyptian, from Heliopolis. I've struggled with faith in the Egyptian pantheon of gods. I guarded a local governor who became unpopular from a grain tax. The people revolted against him, and to save myself from the rebels I killed the governor with a gladius. When the army destroyed the rebellion, I came under fire quickly from the court. So I switched some scrolls and put me down as off duty and my bitter enemy in my place. I was pretty sure the other body guards knew what I had done, so I couldn't stay. That's when I departed for Brittanica. Since my departure I found that after telling one big lie the smaller ones got easier and easier. One day on a boring guard job I was hit in the head by some Celtics and when I woke up I couldn't tell the truth anymore, even my own name.
So the ability is anytime a question is directly asking me something, I have to lie no matter what. So if you asked me my name, I'd have to say Zioman or something. But on things like "why do you suspect so and so" it kinda goes on the honor system. Its just a PR. I also don't have anything that tells me my scum kill method or any extra abilities as scum.
This is why I think Wuffles came off as scummy. He had to lie anytime you asked him something.
Can we get back to lynching scum please, like A E?
you misunderstood the role. I don't have to lie about everything, just when I'm asked a direct question and I choose to answer it. Therefore if you want me to respond to a question I'll try my best to communicate my actual meanings effectively.
you misunderstood the role. I don't have to lie about everything, just when I'm asked a direct question and I choose to answer it. Therefore if you want me to respond to a question I'll try my best to communicate my actual meanings effectively.
Hmm.
Do you have any abilities aside from the PR?
Did you target anyone last night?
What is your alignment?
Those three questions must be answered directly. The first two are "yes" and "no". I need to look back over and see if I can find any evidence of this PR in Wuffy's play.
How is my vote for you out of character for me? Please explain.
Why do you think this PR covers the behavior folks are concerned about?
@Ced - FWIW, I'm never hesitant to bus anyone. You might have me confused with someone less arrogant.
I cannot honestly recall you expressing much suspicion of Guardman. Cyan's PBPA merely summarized Guardman's scumminess, dC & myself (&TMT a bit IIRC) have been pointing these things out for a while (all day 1 in my case -_-).
Your suspicion and vote just comes off as incredibly convenient.
It is now a night ability.
Who do you like better and why?
Cool beans.
Most out of character as compared to what? The only logical thing that you proposed? Now why would doing the only logical thing be the province of town and not scum? Isn't it far more likely for scums to do "the only logical thing"?
If you feel someone is scum, you should feel he should be lynched, irregardless of role. You backing off in the spirit of letting the "scum" be confirmed, despite your belief, doesn't speak well of you.
Eco could be the role he claimed to be and yet still be a scum simply because he gets to "clear" himself. You had be surprised at how one tends to turn a blind eye towards any scummy behavior from a "confirmed townie". Also, his role is the type of role (unlike a roleblocker) that doesn't penalize his scum team if exposed or become town-directed.
Erratic and zealous, yes, but I fail to see how that confirms GM as scum.
If he is town and recognized that pattern, he would have simply continue to play the same because that is how he plays as town. Now, if he is scum and recognized that pattern, then he would have a reason to change his play.
Ah, you're putting words into GM's mouth here. I didn't see in any posts where GM called kpaca scummy after his defense of it. You know, it's like you stated what GM did and then put in a negative assumption at the end there just to justify your vote.
Note: Eco's #997 is making me rethink my stance on him. Mmm.
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I honestly don't see what you and Raf have a problem with here. Yes, I honestly think he's scum, but I hardly have Sherlock Holmes' track record when it comes to scum hunting. I'm not confident enough in my scum hunting ability to lynch a confirmed doc.
I wasn't "putting words in GM's mouth". I pointed out what I considered GM's likely motive for asking the question. And no he didn't say anything like that afterward, but then again kpaca didn't fall into the trap either. To give you an idea of where I'm coming from, in the Simpsons Mafia (it was a newbie one), Evil_Homestereo replaced out and Netfinity came in. EH was the main wagon at the time, so Net was facing a lynch from the get-go. Net made the mistake of trying to explain some of EH's posts that had drawn negative attention. I was scum that game, and it was like Christmas had come early. It was way easy to keep the wagon going because Net decided to defend EH rather than just say "I can't explain his posts, cuz I'm not him". He did mention that point of course, but didn't take his own advice and kept arguing over them. When GM decided to ask kpaca to give reasoning behind Ace's posts, it rang alarm bells in my head.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
..They are? Who? CC is dC now...
Ande's move seemed to me to be something a newby scum would do. This is out of character from his level of experience, and general town appearance thus far.
Far more likely true, but you are ruling out gambits & knee jerk reactions and the like, which seems foolish.
Quickly reading through to catch up I'm feeling Zionite as scum. Jumping in and going after Cyan and getting called on it from Andelijah he quickly jumps ship unvotes and changes his thought.
Unvote
Vote Zionite
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Guardman's reasons for voting ande are not unreasonable, of course. ande was dodgy there. But the manner of doing so (and the track record of wagonning so far) is the iffy bit. His voting NA likewise (when i re-read him before voting, I had to reconcile that and decide I thought Guardman was more likely scum than NA, as of course I found NA scummy then and still do to some extent).
This is not an unreasonable point. I tend to think that if the mod gives someone a non-vanilla role, it will do something. Pale Mage described it as a neutered Governor/Pardoner, but it's so neutered it doesn't actually prevent a lynch, which is the entire point of one of those roles (unless it does and that's the trick, of course). It took a handful of hours for us to get the votes back on and undo the entire ability.
I've taken some time and briefly reread day 1 and thoroughly reread day 2 and the last page or two of Day 1, but I've come up dry as far as trying to figure out another potential target.
I find AE and Ace the scummiest, but I'm not comfortable in voting for AE given the information available, and I feel kpaca is performing in a fairly townie manner after Ace replaced.
I need to do more thinking.
I'm not sure how discovering a fundamental flaw in my reasoning and compensating in light of that makes me scum. What would you have done if I had said "NO ANDE! I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!"? Seems like you needed a reason to jump ship on your own vote.
Now that I should be thinking clearer...
Revised scum list:
1. Archmage Eternal
2. Night Archer
3. Guardman
4. WoD
5. Cyan
6. Lurker
Since everyone is moved up and Cyan moved down, I'm gonna do a quick re-read on AE.
null.
null. Random stage.
null. Random stage.
This is in response to Pale Mage expressing a dislike in night starts. Nothing really to look at.
This is a jumpy response to kpaca senior placing a third vote on himself. With 24 people in the game, I thought it was pretty interesting that 3 votes made him sweat.
Link to this post. I don't see how he gets "you're trying to get me to delete my post" from some random phase silliness. But his FOS on NA makes no sense whatsoever, especially not in the context of the quotes he provided.
This is where AE really starts having topics to post about but fails to do so in detail. The random stage has more or less dissipated by this time, yet his posts do not extend for very long and remain short and contentless.
The vote isn't what's important here. It's the FOS on Shadow Knight. This is is second FOS, and both are put forth in such a way to look like he's adding something to the discussion but he's really not at all. Also, he never persues this suspicion on Shadow Knight, yet jumps on the Night Archer wagon incognito.
Contentless post.
Lame unvote. Feels very scummy. Especially since he thought Shadow Knight was so guilty based on this.
Click on this post. TMT sums up exactly what I'm feeling at this point. AE provides a very weak defense, not even addressing TMT's full accusation. He dances around the Shadow Knight FOS.
"I wanted to see how he replied to things".
...really?
Where is the content?
Its not here.
And it seems like fishing.
The game for the scum is "knock off the useful roles" in this setup, and with our current body count it seems it couldn't have gone better for them. Possible link here.
Read: I'm trying to start a bad wagon before I jump on the next one.
And I also like how stingy he is with his votes now, after his Night Archer vote/shadow knight fos.
Read: I'd like to respond, but I'd rather play it safe and give you someone elses words.
I thought you didn't know about the mafia abilities AE? You were questioning Kpaca an awful lot(as much as you can at least, with 7 whole words).
confirm confirm confirm.
No content.
AE gets sassy here in response to more suspicion on himself. Seems he only posts his little bit of content when there's pressure to do so(even still).
He also forgets(though earlier it was very clear in his mind) that roles don't indicate alignment.
No content. Speculation on how the game works. Again, he knows how the setup is based on his post 318.
I'm not sure where he gets the unconfirmed player idea or the idea that the game started with the teams undecided.
WOW. SO MUCH CONTENT.
I don't see how he has missed the very fundamentals of the game, given it was in the rules. Though at this point not a lot of people understood, so its pretty null.
There is no way to confirm. Besides, why would you need someone confirmed? If the watcher/tracker shouts scum, and they're wrong, then they die. Its too risky for scum to gambit. We also now know both the watcher and the tracker were town.
No content. Merely suggests you read games that have nothing to do with his current play here and now.
This sent off red flags in my mind. Especially the bolded. We know now that it was no big deal, but his defensiveness was just insane. This is still the case now, when I put him as my number two and he freaked out and threw and OMGUS vote on me based on two posts. He's done this all game.
The worst thing he can do is say you're scum? People have been saying that for 700 posts.
Meaning he blocked you.
It didn't dawn on you that you were blocked? Yet you took no action, and you knew you were blocked.
STILL waiting on that list of yours.
Its also fairly easy to see where and how you are scum, reading your posts.
No content.
Where is that scumlist?
When did that reading on RafaelK change?
Why aren't you voting him if you believe he's scum?
Yet another OMGUS vote on a wagon that'll never get going. It seems again to me that you're trying to lurk in plain sight.
Then OMGUS suspicion on TMT.
I guess you don't vote for anyone who isn't suspicious of you in some way. Defensive much?
Apparently Cyan is scum based on his role(in THIS setup), AND he's now on this invisible, pretend scumlist. I'd watch out Cyan. This guy is 4 reel.
This kind of talk makes me really :eyebrow:. Just a bad post. It seems like he's trying too hard to seem townie.
Defends his role. Null.
Read: Don't address me, I'd rather not answer any questions.
Hide behind a false claim? In THIS game? lol wut?
Lol at the bolded. I hardly classify Day 2 as early game, and your posts having no content again and again is inexcusable with this reasoning. It also seems like you're defending the lurkers. Why? Are your scumbuddies lagging behind?
You're also working on a scumlist that no one has seen, yet you've already publicly said 3 or 4 suspects? And you're working on posting more, yet we haven't seen that either?
Read: I may hop on this wagon later, once it is less scummy to do so and doesn't attract attention.
Click on this post. Andelijah is spot-on in the quotations. Apparently Archmage's defense is "trust me, I'm town", and his strategy is to claim and have someone clear him and say he's town.
Glad scum hunting is on the list in your busy schedule.
Why are you so afraid of Cyan?
And if you think Cyan is scum, where is your vote on him?
And also, if Cyan is scum, why do you follow his suspicions of Guardman?
Yet another OMGUS, opportunistic vote.
Summary for the tl;dr guise:
Anyone can feel free to lynch Guardscum now.
vote guardman
see you guys in 4 days if day starts.
If I remember right, Day 1 I was leaning noob town, but as the day started to end my gut was telling me that's less likely to be true, but the CTM wagon was already going crazy, so I didn't want to jump off of it.
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Wait...what?
Guardman (9) - Cyan, Kpaca, WoD, Jobie, RafK, TMT, Ged, Eco, MMoD
Kpaca (2) - Emo Pinata, Andelijah
WoD (2) - [Jobie], (Andelijah)
Zionite (2) - Ced395, Archmage Eternal
Archmage Eternal (1) - Zionite
Andelijah (1) - Guardman
With 21 alive, it is 10 to lynch.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
So, you giving AE a pass is due to the fact he's a confirmed doc and only that, despite your honest belief he is scum? In this specific game?
Well, WOD for one. Even before he is this heavily on the spotlight, he was already so certain CC is scum. Heh.
I don't think Ande is inexperienced. Regardless, I think it's less likely for a scum to run a gambit that would focus attention on himself or herself pushing for something unlikely to happen.
Yes please, I want to, despite my misgivings again. -_-
I'll give it several hours to see if anyone else wants to add anything.
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So your entire suspicion of me is based on me having a suspicion, following up on it, having that suspicion dismissed, and moving on?
that's actually what made me start reading him as town. and it was this, Cyan is town. You forgot italics.
So then what? Let him slide? How much credit are you going to give him?
I had just woken up and that definitely doesn't read the same as what I meant. What I was trying to say was that by the time my gut was headed that way around the time everyone agreed CTM was the lynch for the day and jumping off was the wrong thing to do because I thought it was better to lynch him than GMan at that point.
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By CTM you mean cantripmancer? or someone else?
Hopefully Dagger comes around soon.
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For? It's already more than 12 hours. It's obvious no one else is going to say anything until we have confirmation of GM's alignment.
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And kpaca you were wrong about me again.
If you're actually town, care to say anything more productive while you're still able to speak?
...honestly I got nothing.
Then again this seems to happen to me a lot. But I am not complaining. I enjoy myself and that is what counts.
As for more productive things. I find NA, Eco, and andel scummy, and feel that andel got excited and saw a good chance for a mislynch in Ace through his bad behavior and need for a replacement. And therefore jumped on it.
And everything goes as planned. =D
Then I suppose it's a good thing I don't measure my mafia success on your poor play.
Guardman was town.
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It is now Night 2. Please have all actions submitted by Tuesday, August 25th, 8am ET.
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The bloodshed is minimal this night; in fact, it appears that the one who did die, Wrath_of_Dog, did so peacefully in his sleep.
A better death than he deserved, no doubt, traitorous scum.
It is now Day Three!
With 19 alive, it is 9 to lynch.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Also thanks whoever you are. Let it be known that the person who targeted me last night is a nice dude.
VOTE ARCHMAGE ETERNAL
How so?
Ok. But how does that make me scum? Two way street my friend.
And I also can't defend for Wuffles. But I can say there was a reason for his strangeness.
Who's scumlist are you reading? Definitely not mine. I think ged is town.
Of course now in light that Cyan did effectively kill a scum, it makes me move him down farther. Past a lurker in fact.
Alright. But I think you're wrong.
Wuffles defended WoD D1, then disappeared(but only from this game) when it became obvious that WoD was going to get killed.
Zionite has been scummy ever since he replaced in.
In his first post he sucks up to Ged and Cyan.
vote: zionite
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Vote: Zionite
Good call.
I'm not on for long, but I'll post more later.
Doesn't that almost guarantee that he is town? Sure he could be a neutral or SK (I doubt SK, but it's a possibility that exists), which is why it doesn't guarantee, but what makes him still make the scum list? He's delivered us the first dead scum of the game, why would you still think he is scum?
As would I. It seems a fairly open and shut case. I'll hold off on a vote pending a votecount, since I don't have the time to go count how many people have voted so far.
As an aside, following the events of yesterday I am definitely happy to give ande a pass (I mostly thought he was just being lazy anyway, but now I definitely think he was just being lazy).
He's at 5/9 by my count.
VOTE Zionite
The case is pretty straight-forward.
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Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Yup.
Yup.
He was starting to make me itch slightly towards the end of the day yesterday. Some of what's come out of his mouth this morning makes me feel the same way.
Because you and Cyan are voting for him. This is going to have to get worked out one way or another. Then I can look elsewhere.
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When did I defend WoD? I attacked Cyan because I had legitimate concerns, not to defend someone else. That doesn't make any sense at all.
And turning my congrats into something game related is pretty low.
ok. What are you saying here? I don't see how it makes me scum.
That makes a lot more sense.
If that's what you believe. It doesn't seem like there's anything that'll change your mind.
LOL wow. Why isn't anyone else calling him out on these things...
Very out of place for you PM.
Claim:
my first real post of the game. Click on the smiley face. Anyone who's played with me for a long time knows I hide my claims in links on smiley's.
I'm a senatorial guard - liar. I'm Egyptian, from Heliopolis. I've struggled with faith in the Egyptian pantheon of gods. I guarded a local governor who became unpopular from a grain tax. The people revolted against him, and to save myself from the rebels I killed the governor with a gladius. When the army destroyed the rebellion, I came under fire quickly from the court. So I switched some scrolls and put me down as off duty and my bitter enemy in my place. I was pretty sure the other body guards knew what I had done, so I couldn't stay. That's when I departed for Brittanica. Since my departure I found that after telling one big lie the smaller ones got easier and easier. One day on a boring guard job I was hit in the head by some Celtics and when I woke up I couldn't tell the truth anymore, even my own name.
So the ability is anytime a question is directly asking me something, I have to lie no matter what. So if you asked me my name, I'd have to say Zioman or something. But on things like "why do you suspect so and so" it kinda goes on the honor system. Its just a PR. I also don't have anything that tells me my scum kill method or any extra abilities as scum.
This is why I think Wuffles came off as scummy. He had to lie anytime you asked him something.
Can we get back to lynching scum please, like A E?
Zionite (6) - ced395, Cyan, Kpaca, AE, Pale Mage, TMT
Archmage Eternal (1) - Zionite
With 19 alive, it is 9 to lynch.
@ced: done, thanks for the reminder.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
First of all, what happens when you break your pr?
Hmm.
How is my vote for you out of character for me? Please explain.
Why do you think this PR covers the behavior folks are concerned about?
@Ced - FWIW, I'm never hesitant to bus anyone. You might have me confused with someone less arrogant.
I am not ready to end the day, either.
Should we just take the opposite from Yes/No questions?