Sigh. This is retarded, but fine, you wanna let a scum slip by, your prerogative.
Note that I didn't say anything about AE being obvtown and that we can't lynch him. I simply suggested that holding off on lynching him for now seems wiser, especially since I am more confident that joboman is scum.
I'm not sure why you're pretending to care what happens to the town here, for that matter. It's not like anyone's going to be killing you any time soon. Looks like you and kpaca will be competing after all.
Are you a new player Flew? Because seriously...
A. He didn't claim RoleCop, he claimed cop. If he's lying, he doesn't have to guess anything.
B. If he is telling the truth, HOW his cop-role works is not something we need to know.
Exactly WHAT is your point in this post, flew?
Boo.
That is my reaction to THIS post. Many times over.
This post is a perfect example of a scum mindset. Loran read's Flew's post, and can't really make sense of it, so he sees the opportunity to push on someone that he knows is town.
Even if you can't entirely understand Flew's post, the post is practically exploding with town sentiment. The only person that wouldn't see this is a scum, because a scum already knows that Flew is town.
Looking back, I see your point. Despite Archmage Eternal not being known for having a town mindset, he is definitely displaying one here.
Pros to lynching AE today:
His play was scummy at the beginning of the Day before he was under pressure.
His claim is one of the safest and easiest to fake.
If he is scum, we prevent him from using any abilities he has.
Cons to lynching AE today:
His play was townish near the end of the Day after he fell under scrutiny.
If he is town, his ability is very useful.
If StormBlind targets him and he is then lynched, we can get a better idea of how StormBlind's ability works and what effects it has on its target's alignment.
Other thoughts:
AE's wagon stagnated quickly after the claim, suggesting there was a reluctance for scum to bus scum-AE to death or that most of the scum were already on the town-AE wagon. I think lynching AE today or tomorrow would give us a lot of useful information about who was voting him.
Vigs (and scum) can't kill people who are being protected by the target-doc. (Kraj, as loran stated. ;))
I don't expect vezokpiraka to lie about his abilities given his meta of naive truthfulness (Heroes Mafia is a good example, though ongoing). However, it bothers me that he initially claimed only the tracking and watching aspects and is only now coming forward with the cop aspect. I say we give him a chance to prove these abilities before we decide if we want to lynch him.
I no longer think AE is the correct lynch for today based on how the wagon is fragmenting, especially since half of the people on it are squarely in my neutral-read category. (Zchinque and Syrenz I read as town, Talore, Zajnet, Flew, and vezokpiraka I have conflicting/neutral reads on, and StormBlind is a claimed neutral.) Lynching him tomorrow may be worthwhile, but there's also a good chance that the progression of our next lynch wagon and/or Night actions would reveal a superior strategy.
Unvote
Vote joboman
If you're going to vote for me please put some justification into it. From what I understand, your whole post can be summed up as "AE is likely to be scum, but its more useful to lynch him tommorow" while I am fencesitty about this (I'll likely hammer if he is put to L-1), it is still good logic. However, you don't say why lynching me is a good idea, you just state why lynching AE is a bad idea. So I'd like to hear why I'm scum. Indepth as possible please.
What is your read on Cyan?
I do not like RR's vote of Bilbro at all. From what I've seen of RR (admittedly, not that much) he seems like a very meticulous and precise person. To vote for bilbro just because he doesn't have any town posts is very bad logic. This vote is unmeticulous and hasty, thus unusual for RobRoy, because he doesn't even realize that Bilbro is Ced.
The argument if I recall correctly was that I get hostile with anyone throwing suspicion onto me. Not here. Voted Jobo for his claim idea and the suspicion toward Cyan was his ignoring of jobo. If Jobo comes up scum good chance Cyan is.
You can say you were suspicious of Cyan and Zindabad for whatever reasons you would like to. The fact is that you started throwing suspicion at them when they threw suspicion on you, which is what you do as scum.
If it is in fact the consensus for me to be tomorrows lynch then I suggest that SB target me then the town will have even more info regarding the neutrals.
Not knowing what SB's benefits are I do not support this at all.
Finally done, and here's the conclusions that I have come to: AE is scum, Cyan and Joboman are both town. (lucky me. :-/)
I have no belief in the 1-shot cop claim. Also, I don't like the fact that he wants a power boost. We don't know what it is. What if it's an extra life? that would put us back 2 days, and that's the kind of thing we don't want in any game. Vote: Archmage Eternal
Extra life is a pretty big jump. Do you really imagine that SB would be able to target people to give extra lives around?
If you're going to vote for me please put some justification into it. From what I understand, your whole post can be summed up as "AE is likely to be scum, but its more useful to lynch him tommorow" while I am fencesitty about this (I'll likely hammer if he is put to L-1), it is still good logic. However, you don't say why lynching me is a good idea, you just state why lynching AE is a bad idea. So I'd like to hear why I'm scum. Indepth as possible please.
What is your read on Cyan?
I do not like RR's vote of Bilbro at all. From what I've seen of RR (admittedly, not that much) he seems like a very meticulous and precise person. To vote for bilbro just because he doesn't have any town posts is very bad logic. This vote is unmeticulous and hasty, thus unusual for RobRoy, because he doesn't even realize that Bilbro is Ced.
I was not saying that AE was the cult leader, but a cultist.
I am going to push a massclaim now. I believe that my ability is not hurt significantly by being out-ed and actually becomes much better when the town can cordinate.
Who is for/against this?
Yay: 1
Joboman
Nay: 0
First brings up the massclaim. Obviously a bad idea.
Because if we revealed everything we would be able to coordinate with an this "targeting" mechanic to make it useful. If we all get powered up by being targeted X times then being able to do so would make the town a lot stronger, and if a scum member secretly didn't do as told it would be easy to recognize.
Uses pretty flawed logic here. Cult=scum? No, the town wins when they lynch scum, not a clan. Focusing on the clan is a very secondary goal for the town, but bringing it up is a good distraction for a scum to make.
And look and Josh Whedon, where it worked wonderfully.
And I'd like everyone to notice that you FOS cyan as soon as he said anything contrary to you. Not pro-town thinking. FOS.
Shows more flawed logic with the massclaim. "It worked once so it's solid!" doesn't work here. A massclaim is not a good idea just because it worked once in one game.
Also, shows a little support for Cyan.
Finally, I don't find the personal attacks he's talking about.
You should really not game the mod. Like this is dangerous discussion, stop it.
Unvote, Vote: Archmage Eternal. Responses aren't good at all.
I see that first part as fearmongering somewhat.
Also, note that this is his entrance onto the AE wagon. You will notice that he never says much about why AE is scum, but becomes more and more convinced that he is scum.
But AE Does flip-flop in the real sense. He at first said how he doesn't want them killed (If I remember correctly) and now wants them killed ASAP.
Misconstrues AE here. AE has said before that he's all for vigging and expresses reasonable concern for them and Joboman runs with this as "calling for their immidiate death".
Guys, lets look at the three basic power roles Cop, Doc, and Roleblocker. Lets say that each of them works in the way Axelrod described. If we mass-claimed and the Cop and Doc were outed instead of being roleblocked, the Cop would be able to target the Doc while the scummiest players were all forced to target teh cop. isn't this a good plan?
I really don't like this post. This is a speciality, where things are bound to be fairly complicated. Joboman simplifies the entire game this way and make a mass claim or a powerclaim seems innocent and easy, which it's not. Undersestimating the game is a dangerous thing to do. Then the "isn't this great guys?" comment doesn't inspire any confidence whatsoever. It all feels very fake.
Also, he still doesn't have strong justification for his vote. Just saying...
YAY MORE UNILATERAL CLAIMS!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Now that we've outed two of the very biggest power-roles can we PLEASE go with a mass-claim? Hell, I'd be willing to claim unilaterally at this point since my ability doesn't seem very powerful.
Uses two claims as fuel for his bad plan. Axelrod even said that even though he claimed, the massclaim is still not advisble. Joboman doesn't listen and doesn't care.
The first of them is that you point out the relevant point of TACKY trying to make it sound like he knows more than he does, but you then try to pass it off as a scum tell. You know just as well as I do that Egotistical is null, if not a town tell in some cases.
How is knowing which players targeted Loran "easily confirmable"?
I also do not like how you defend AE.
BIG BIG FOS. This is not the normal town ced play.
I don't like how he throws defending AE in there as part reasoning for suspicion. Defending AE isn't a scumtell unless AE is scum, which is something we don't know yet.
Also note that at this point, Joboman has done more analysis on ced than he has on AE, who he's voting.
I believe that we wouldn't power up somebody that was scummy. If you, for example, asked to be targeted I'd probbably be okay with it since you're pretty townie, but AE on the other hand wouldn't get targeted by others because he's so uncontestedly scummy.
Shows more support for Cyan, saying that Cyan getting powers wouldn't be a problem cause Cyan is town. And the words uncontestedly scummy are pretty strong for someone who has only /barned others reasoning.
herpa derp, i shouldn't be posting when i'm this tired. I meant that if AE flips TOWN then cyan should be looked into.
OK, so he meant flip town in that first one, but this is the first time, and one of few times he shows doubt in the AE case and Cyan. This is the beginning of a rapid change.
I don't like this claim, not one bit. You say this is all your abilities? In a game that revolves around being targeted this is totally off. Also, a 1-shot cop is extremely easy to claim in a game like this, you just use your "target"ing ability on a townie and geuss what? He "reveals" as innocent. You also don't have to argue about being killed or not, a roleblock is sufficient in the scum team's POV.
So yeah, liking my vote.
This is the first post after the claim, and Jobo goes overboard I believe. He sees a cop investigation and gives it no chance. Not once does he see the positave, he doesn't weigh any options, just ramble about how false it could be. What about how true it could be? He's not weighing the possibilities, which reads of shortsighted scum.
the thing is that if we know AE's alignment now rather than later we can make tommorow's lynch/vig decisions now. A lot of people's alignments depend on AE's. If we wait until tommorow he'll probbably just claim that he was roleblocked and all we did was delay killing a scum, and make us mislynch today.
Wow, this is a gem. First, tries to argue that killing AE gives us more alignment info today rather than tomorrow. Not true. First, nobody has a solid town/scum alignment from anything other than an investigation. Something AE has. So, if AE is telling the truth, we actually gain more information from letting him live, contrary to Jobo's argument.
Second, he actually does literally say that AE's alignment will prove player's alignments. That's shortsighted scum too. That's just looking for an excuse to vote someone later on.
Finally, with the "wait till tomorrow" speculation, it's all WIFOM. Jobo says this and all the scum have to do is block him or whatever and Jobo will use it as fuel for an AE mislynch.
BTW, I'm not interested in an AE lynch at all if you couldn't tell. I'll admit he might be false claiming scum, but my gut is telling me he's town and my "don't lynch an investigation" sensor is telling me he should totally be kept alive.
Look at every game i've ever been scum as. Have I ever bussed? Once?
And if we don't lynch mr. obvscum, chances dictate that it'll be a mislynch. Plus what other leads do we have to go on?
And I will view cyan differently depending on AE's alignment.
I think this is possibly the best, if not only reasoning Joboman himself (instead of /barning) gives for his AE vote. And it's still weak. He WIFOM's that if they don't lynch AE, it will end up a miss. And who else do we have? he says. That's no reason to string someone up.
Also note that he begins to be pinning AE with Cyan rather than himself.
Now that I fully understand it, I like Zchnique's argument.If he is town we at least get a confirmed town/scum.
Unvote.
These three posts come in quick succession. First we see that his Cyan+AE= scum argument is still in bloom, then he goes on the offensive against Zchnique and finally agrees with Z and unvotes. Seriously? But he keeps up all the suspicion on AE, consistantly argueing that we will still lynch him tomorrow. So, what he's saying is that AE might be telling the truth and be town, but we're stilling going to mislynch him tomorrow just to find out if he was lying.
Not only is that terribly flawed logic, a huge flipflop and major fencesitting, but it's all done with terribly flawed logic that doesn't come from a townie mindset.
Keep in mind that this post doesn't contain all the AE speculation, but the following ones do.
Again, one-liner. Also note that this seems to be a distancing tactic from Cyan. IIRC, Cyan had begun having suspicion of Loran, so Joboman throws his support in the other ring. Minor thing I noticed.
Cyan, how do you know within a reasonable doubt that he isn't town? There's only two possibilities that come to mind:
1. N0 investigation
2. You two are scumbuddies.
Please explain.
Wow, those seem to be shortsighed conclusions. People have these things called gut feelings and logical conclusions that they use to determine scum/town on people. Jobo jumps to the two extremes, obviously implying that Cyan is scum.
I'm actually very confident in AE and Cyan being scumbuddies now. Just look at Anita Blake mafia, right out of the gates Cyan bussed me hard. Like really, really hard saying things like "OMG I know he is scum" all the time. If you read Day 1 of that game its easy to see the striking similarities between Cyan's play in that game and play in this game.
Continues his flipflop with the Cyan and AE are scum together bit. Maintains that because Cyan is after AE so much, he must be bussing.
I have problems here. First, Cyan's tightest connection outside of his attack on AE is Joboman, who has be following Cyan for a while before this point. So, if we are accounting for associations, both bussing and non, Joboman is equally scummy.
Second, why on earth did Joboman unvote? He clearly still thinks AE is scum. He also clearly thinks Cyan is scum, but his vote isn't anywhere. I wouldn't agree with his vote were it on AE, but that would be better than calling AE scum right after unvoting him. Joboman's line of thought is full of non-sequitars here.
He means Axelrod where he says Loran. Not a huge tell, but I had a small thought, maybe he's purposefully confusing the names to get townies to target the wrong person for protection. It's a weak theory, but one worth consideration.
This just confirmed my theory. Lets take a look at Cyan's thoughts so far:
1. Ooh I'm scum, lets bus the scummiest player on my team (worked for me in Anita Blake mafia).
2. Rawr rawr eveyrone vote him he's obvious scum!
3. Oh ☺☺☺☺, they're onto me. Catching 2 scum is really, really bad so I better get myself out of this. Unvote.
Notice that as soon as the theory of him bussing is brought up he is worried, realizes that his pressure on AE is making him look scummy, and so he unvotes hoping to alleviate pressure.
@AE: Please state your thoughts on Cyan. Do you think he is scum? Are you going to vote for him?
Also look at how sure Cyan was earlier of AE being scum. Town Cyan doesn't give a rat's ass about what others think because he knows that he's right, but here Cyan is unvoting after saying things like "I AM 100% SURE AE IS SCUM!!11oneone!" just because of Robroy's analysis that could be wrong.
If Cyan is scum I believe Robroy is also.
Hmm. This reminds me of something....what was it...OH YEAH!
Remember when Joboman unvoted? He was all like "barn Zchnique blah blah".
Now Cyan comes along and does the same with RobRoy, and instantly he makes another connection, Cyan+RR=scum. Well, I'll just copy/paste jobo's logic to his own unvote. Joboman is scum.
Finally note that he's now pinned 3 members of the scum team, AE, Cyan and RR. He's pretty convinced of all of their scumminess, and it's all based on association and bad logic.
I think that you putting pressure on me (townie) instead of your scumbuddy because you don't want him lynched, which would just incriminate you, is very telling. Unvote, Vote: Cyan if I haven't already.
Implies his townieness, don't like that much. Finally places a vote on one of the three people he's been calling scummy. "If I haven't already" seems like deflection from the fact that he actually hasen't voted anybody.
I'm just posting here saying that all I have to say has really been said. I think AE and Cyan are scumbuddies and that I'd be very happy with either of their lynches today. I can't think of anything else useful to add, but if you have any questions please ask.
Really? Cause you haven't said much. Lot's of barning, a few wild rogue theories, lots of flipfloping and contradictions, lots of one-liners, very little valuable content. Unless you consider evidence that you are scum valuable content, in which case there is a ton of it.
You've been calling a few different people scum now based on nothing more than they voted/unvoted somebody you like/dislike. Your scumhunting is based around the barning of others, convincing yourself that they are scum and casting suspicion on anybody with a tie to them, even their attacker.
If you're going to vote for me please put some justification into it. From what I understand, your whole post can be summed up as "AE is likely to be scum, but its more useful to lynch him tommorow" while I am fencesitty about this (I'll likely hammer if he is put to L-1), it is still good logic. However, you don't say why lynching me is a good idea, you just state why lynching AE is a bad idea. So I'd like to hear why I'm scum. Indepth as possible please.
What is your read on Cyan?
I do not like RR's vote of Bilbro at all. From what I've seen of RR (admittedly, not that much) he seems like a very meticulous and precise person. To vote for bilbro just because he doesn't have any town posts is very bad logic. This vote is unmeticulous and hasty, thus unusual for RobRoy, because he doesn't even realize that Bilbro is Ced.
This post seems like immidiate overdefense.
So, Vote Joboman
tl;dr= Joboman has fliped on his vote, accused absolutly everyone surrounding AE, provided little/no reasoning for his own vote on AE, fencesat on AE, and several other things that I can't directly bring to mind. After typing for an hour and a half, I'ma just take a break from thinking and play some KoL.
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I like TACKY's case. I was just skimming over jobo as well, and in particular his reasoning behind the AE-Cyan-RR scum trifecta theory was dreadful. Seemed like a case of having the theory first, and finding the support (by construing posts to fit said theory) second.
I'll go along, unvote, vote joboman.
Oh, and people, it's Zchinque, not Zchnique. :/
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You can say you were suspicious of Cyan and Zindabad for whatever reasons you would like to. The fact is that you started throwing suspicion at them when they threw suspicion on you, which is what you do as scum.
Been scum twice. Early on in my mafia career so I think this is a strech. Plus I've done that plenty of times as town so meh.
Not knowing what SB's benefits are I do not support this at all.
I was not, but my point was more because of the level of fearmongering displayed than because it was a noobish thing to do. Look at what he said again:
I have no belief in the 1-shot cop claim. Also, I don't like the fact that he wants a power boost. We don't know what it is. What if it's an extra life? that would put us back 2 days, and that's the kind of thing we don't want in any game.
He's trying to get us to lynch AE now because, what, we might not be able to lynch him tomorrow? Is there any support for that anywhere in the thread? This doesn't read to me like him stating honest reasons - I think he wants the lynch and so he's trying to make up why.
I do not like RR's vote of Bilbro at all. From what I've seen of RR (admittedly, not that much) he seems like a very meticulous and precise person. To vote for bilbro just because he doesn't have any town posts is very bad logic. This vote is unmeticulous and hasty, thus unusual for RobRoy, because he doesn't even realize that Bilbro is Ced.
Early game, I use votes as a method of focusing attention on people I think are scummy. I'll be rather free with them whenever I see a reason. Once we start to get any reasonable number of votes on someone, I will be cautious about placing additional votes, though. Feel free to read my previous games if you want confirmation.
First brings up the massclaim. Obviously a bad idea.
Bad Idea/ Idea you disagree with =/= Scumtell
Uses pretty flawed logic here. Cult=scum? No, the town wins when they lynch scum, not a clan. Focusing on the clan is a very secondary goal for the town, but bringing it up is a good distraction for a scum to make.
More experienced players will support me when I say that the cult are scum and thus anti-town (or is it the other way around lol). The town does not win unless the cult are all dead. Tunnelvisioned townie is tunnelvisioned.
Shows more flawed logic with the massclaim. "It worked once so it's solid!" doesn't work here. A massclaim is not a good idea just because it worked once in one game.
Again, Wrong =/= Scummy
Also, shows a little support for Cyan.
How so?
Finally, I don't find the personal attacks he's talking about.
AE was obviously using personal attacks here. Don't have to fight about this one lol.
Again, supports the faulty logic here. I don't like how he kinda goes out of his way to call himself town.
Look at my past games, like in duel monsters, where I will go out of the way to call myself town as town (and maybe scum too idk). Nulltell.
I see that first part as fearmongering somewhat.
Wanting players to not get modkilled =/= fearmongering
Also, note that this is his entrance onto the AE wagon. You will notice that he never says much about why AE is scum, but becomes more and more convinced that he is scum.
I saw his responses as scummy, and I didn't like his flip-flopping on if the neutrals should die or not.
Misconstrues AE here. AE has said before that he's all for vigging and expresses reasonable concern for them and Joboman runs with this as "calling for their immidiate death".
Umm, how is that miscontruing?
I really don't like this post. This is a speciality, where things are bound to be fairly complicated. Joboman simplifies the entire game this way and make a mass claim or a powerclaim seems innocent and easy, which it's not. Undersestimating the game is a dangerous thing to do. Then the "isn't this great guys?" comment doesn't inspire any confidence whatsoever. It all feels very fake.
This is fearmongering. I dunno what the game has in store but I still think the massclaim is a good idea. Wrong =/= bad.
Also, he still doesn't have strong justification for his vote. Just saying...
What are you just saying?
Uses two claims as fuel for his bad plan. Axelrod even said that even though he claimed, the massclaim is still not advisble. Joboman doesn't listen and doesn't care.
Dude, you've played with me before, right?
Remember Duel monsters? Tacky was suspicious of me.
Remember Family mafia? Tacky was suspicious of me.
Tacky is suspicious of me in every game we're in together.
Ties himself to Cyan while barning. This is probably the closest Jobo comes to his own reasoning on the AE wagon.
ok???
I don't like how he throws defending AE in there as part reasoning for suspicion. Defending AE isn't a scumtell unless AE is scum, which is something we don't know yet.
I think AE is most likely scum, so defending AE is scummy in my opinion because I'm assuming that I'm correct.
Also note that at this point, Joboman has done more analysis on ced than he has on AE, who he's voting.
All the arguments against AE have already been said. Call it mindless bandwaggoning, but I think that the AE case is very solid and If I was in the game before it was made I would have stated it.
Short little one-liner trying to toss dirt on AE. Essentially just a post to try and make jobo look better.
Your tunnelvision.
Shows more support for Cyan, saying that Cyan getting powers wouldn't be a problem cause Cyan is town. And the words uncontestedly scummy are pretty strong for someone who has only /barned others reasoning.
I first thought Cyan was acting townie, he has then showed to not be acting townie.
Puts suspicion onto SB here, small mudflinging.
Sb is a claimed neutral...
OK, so he meant flip town in that first one, but this is the first time, and one of few times he shows doubt in the AE case and Cyan. This is the beginning of a rapid change.
You're looking for tiny points lol.
This is the first post after the claim, and Jobo goes overboard I believe. He sees a cop investigation and gives it no chance. Not once does he see the positave, he doesn't weigh any options, just ramble about how false it could be. What about how true it could be? He's not weighing the possibilities, which reads of shortsighted scum.
Why not shortsighted town?
Wow, this is a gem. First, tries to argue that killing AE gives us more alignment info today rather than tomorrow. Not true. First, nobody has a solid town/scum alignment from anything other than an investigation. Something AE has. So, if AE is telling the truth, we actually gain more information from letting him live, contrary to Jobo's argument.
Second, he actually does literally say that AE's alignment will prove player's alignments. That's shortsighted scum too. That's just looking for an excuse to vote someone later on.
Finally, with the "wait till tomorrow" speculation, it's all WIFOM. Jobo says this and all the scum have to do is block him or whatever and Jobo will use it as fuel for an AE mislynch.
BTW, I'm not interested in an AE lynch at all if you couldn't tell. I'll admit he might be false claiming scum, but my gut is telling me he's town and my "don't lynch an investigation" sensor is telling me he should totally be kept alive.
I changed my mind, why is this bad?
I think this is possibly the best, if not only reasoning Joboman himself (instead of /barning) gives for his AE vote. And it's still weak. He WIFOM's that if they don't lynch AE, it will end up a miss. And who else do we have? he says. That's no reason to string someone up.
Misconstrue.
Also note that he begins to be pinning AE with Cyan rather than himself.
What?
These three posts come in quick succession. First we see that his Cyan+AE= scum argument is still in bloom, then he goes on the offensive against Zchnique and finally agrees with Z and unvotes. Seriously? But he keeps up all the suspicion on AE, consistantly argueing that we will still lynch him tomorrow. So, what he's saying is that AE might be telling the truth and be town, but we're stilling going to mislynch him tomorrow just to find out if he was lying.
Not only is that terribly flawed logic, a huge flipflop and major fencesitting, but it's all done with terribly flawed logic that doesn't come from a townie mindset.
You're wrong, they come from a very townie mindset. You don't say why this is scummy.
I don't need to respond to the rest because its all the same thing. I'll just say this:
I like TACKY's case. I was just skimming over jobo as well, and in particular his reasoning behind the AE-Cyan-RR scum trifecta theory was dreadful. Seemed like a case of having the theory first, and finding the support (by construing posts to fit said theory) second.
I'll go along, unvote, vote joboman.
Oh, and people, it's Zchinque, not Zchnique. :/
This post is making me wonder about Zchinque.
I really, really don't think that joboman is scum. I have seen him be scum 3 times(and I know of another game where he was scum, which I wasn't in). He practically tripped over his own two feet with the piles of scumtells that he gave off. I'm not seeing anything like that this game.
I want flavor from him. But I know he's lying.
If 4 people target me I become cop for the one I target. I don't believe we have a 1-shot cop and me the uber - watcher/tracker/cop both on the town side.
That is my reaction to THIS post. Many times over.
This post is a perfect example of a scum mindset. Loran read's Flew's post, and can't really make sense of it, so he sees the opportunity to push on someone that he knows is town.
Even if you can't entirely understand Flew's post, the post is practically exploding with town sentiment. The only person that wouldn't see this is a scum, because a scum already knows that Flew is town.
Vote Loran
loran did not FoS me or even say that he suspected me. He just asked me for explanation. Despite the fact that we disagree, nobody pushed on the other.
To make things clear, I'm not defending loran, I have no true read on him. I just say that Cyan's argument here was not a good one. And maybe he realized it because he seemed pretty convinced when he said it, but quickly changed for Vezok.
Nah, I still think Loran is scum. But as I said, RR's points against Vezok are unbelievably amazing.
And just because you can't see his intentions with that post doesn't mean anything.
If anything, it would have been more pro-town if he DID vote/fos you. At least that shows some kind of commitment, and not just a giant opportunist fish/potshot.
I don't see how those posts, collectively, are anything other than a complete slam dunk.
Eh, that's just vezok. He contradicts himself all the time, as town and as scum. However, I do know that he is a proponent of Lynch All Liars, and RR just caught him in a lie.
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Nice find. In particular I wonder how he could label his role as pretty useless.
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Well.
I'll full claim. Not much else to say.
I am the black goo.
If only one goo targets me I become a tracker.
If 2 goo I become watcher.
3 - Role cop
4 - Cop
5+ nothing
The part where I say my role is useless I thought that because vanillas can target it will be useless to be a tracker or watcher. If you remember I said that somewhere.
When I said I wanted 1 goo to target me I wanted to target SB to see who he targets. This was after I thought what to do with my power.
I don't understand who the second post contradicts anything. When 4 people target me I become cop but if one scum targets me I lose every power. It would be to hard to coordinate 4 people to target me and no scum.
NOTE: Everyone has a role name like "The vanilla flavored goo" only it's not in the PM. It's hidden.
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It shouldn't be just curiosity that makes you ask that question. Unvote, vote Zajnet oh, wait...
Pretty close to ˇʃɪŋke, if you're familiar with IPA.
ˇ - marks stress
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@Vezok: You de-power if any scum targets you? Hmm...
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If you were town, it seems like you would be dying to have 4 Goo target you..and why the 'I just found out that my role is pretty useless'. That can't be farther from the truth.
Well the problem is we first have to tell 4 people who we consider town to target me than we have to make the mafia not target me. It's a risky move and I am not planing to use it day 1. As for the part with pretty useless. I only taken into aspect the watcher and tracker parts and I didn't believe that the cop and rolecop parts can be used at least for as long as I'm alive.
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I don't have a problem with that claim. I don't think he's really capable of making that up on the spot. And it seems much more likely to be a Town role than a scum role.
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No problem with the claim in general, though the best way to play that role IMO would probably have been to keep quiet. I'll lay good odds that a coordinated mafia makes you useless at this point.
Incidentally Vezok's claim does not make AE's claim impossible. Multiple non-full cops is certainly plausible.
@Flew, Cyan is at least partially correct in that when i inquire about a post, I'm looking for a scummy response. So in that sense, one could call it a push. But since what you gave seems reasonable, nothing else was coming of it.
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Agreed on the claim making sense. I think we should probably be aiming to get three people targeting him at night, not two, but the progression of what he said does line up, and the role seems viable.
I dislike the level of fearmongering in this post. It reminds me a lot of a post I made when trying to justify a mislynch in my first game as scum. Since Bilbro has given me literally nothing else to read him on, I have no counterbalancing townie reads, and will unvote, vote: Bilbroxain.
That's probabl because I have all of three posts so far.
Extra life is a pretty big jump. Do you really imagine that SB would be able to target people to give extra lives around?
That's not the point. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POWER BOOST IS. It COULD be an extra life. It COULD be a shot of motivator. It COULD be ANYTHING. And if it could be anything, I don't trust putting it into the scummiest player around.
I was not, but my point was more because of the level of fearmongering displayed than because it was a noobish thing to do. Look at what he said again:
He's trying to get us to lynch AE now because, what, we might not be able to lynch him tomorrow? Is there any support for that anywhere in the thread? This doesn't read to me like him stating honest reasons - I think he wants the lynch and so he's trying to make up why.
You know what? I don't feel like typing all that again. read the above.
That's probabl because I have all of three posts so far.
That's not the point. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POWER BOOST IS. It COULD be an extra life. It COULD be a shot of motivator. It COULD be ANYTHING. And if it could be anything, I don't trust putting it into the scummiest player around.
You know what? I don't feel like typing all that again. read the above.
I was going to note these and put Vezok on my noted list, but his full claim makes perfect sense.
I looked over Anita Blake and Duel Monsters and don't recall seeing that. Can you give me some examples?
Will go look.
Not sure atm.
Well don't worry about it. I HAVE TURN GOLD.
I have no new powers, no powered up powers, no special abilities, my win con hasn't changed. Nothing about me is different but my color, and its permanent. I cant change color. I asked the mod.
Don't have time to give this game my full attention, but - damn, AE, you've only been scum twice (besides this game, I mean)?
Its weird, you sounded like you knew exactly how I functioned as scum but no idea that I haven't been scum much. Almost like you just threw it out there hoping it would catch on.
While I wouldn't mind if AE died tonight due to his bad play, I think it would be fine to let him live one night personally. Hopefully he isn't a scum with a one shot, but honestly putting that out there seems like fear mongering to me. Kill the guy that claimed one shot cop before he gets to night since he might be scum with a different one shot ability.
If he is scum, he gains one day out of it. If he isn't the valid cop investigation for the rest of the game more then makes up for it. Whatever happens, if we don't lynch him today we should definitely do it tomorrow. Especially now that he's claimed to have had his color changed to golden involuntarily.
I begin to think that AE is saying the truth. His last post sounds genuine. See, he says he's been turned into gold, but believe easily SormBlind when he says it's not him, and don't try any deflection on SB, though it was a good opportunity.
(And I don't think either is lying about this gold thing, because lying about it would be completely pointless IMO.)
While I wouldn't mind if AE died tonight due to his bad play, I think it would be fine to let him live one night personally. Hopefully he isn't a scum with a one shot, but honestly putting that out there seems like fear mongering to me. Kill the guy that claimed one shot cop before he gets to night since he might be scum with a different one shot ability.
If he is scum, he gains one day out of it. If he isn't the valid cop investigation for the rest of the game more then makes up for it. Whatever happens, if we don't lynch him today we should definitely do it tomorrow. Especially now that he's claimed to have had his color changed to golden involuntarily.
Its weird, you sounded like you knew exactly how I functioned as scum but no idea that I haven't been scum much. Almost like you just threw it out there hoping it would catch on.
I await Zindabad and his response to this.
This game is loads of confusing.
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My rationale on A_E turning gold: I think that it really helps A_E's case. Right now, I'd guess that a scum had the ability to morph someone's color to their own desires, and that they would do that to A_E to entice us into killing him, to see what being gold is all about (if it is a cult variant, however unlikely.) Which would imply that the scum want to drive home a mislynch.
The only other possibility I could see is that it is an ability of StormBlind, so that we could confirm his innocence in role by using someone who is close to being lynched. But it seems bizzare that he'd have an ability like that if he's in a competition with another color-changer. Plus the timing is off for that to happen.
My rationale on A_E turning gold: I think that it really helps A_E's case. Right now, I'd guess that a scum had the ability to morph someone's color to their own desires, and that they would do that to A_E to entice us into killing him, to see what being gold is all about (if it is a cult variant, however unlikely.) Which would imply that the scum want to drive home a mislynch.
The only other possibility I could see is that it is an ability of StormBlind, so that we could confirm his innocence in role by using someone who is close to being lynched. But it seems bizzare that he'd have an ability like that if he's in a competition with another color-changer. Plus the timing is off for that to happen
I did not turn him golden, and will turn someone else golden tonight to prove it.
Another note that its not me? My targets will not be informed they have been turned golden according to the mod. (And Kpaca), and yet AE clearly has been. I truly dont know what to make of it, and im still thinking its a massive bundle of WIFOM, but i dont know what to make of it offhand.
To be sure, i appreciate whoever did it.
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That's not the point. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POWER BOOST IS. It COULD be an extra life. It COULD be a shot of motivator. It COULD be ANYTHING. And if it could be anything, I don't trust putting it into the scummiest player around.
I agree with the second half of that but I still don't understand where you're throwing the idea of an extra life from.
Well don't worry about it. I HAVE TURN GOLD.
I have no new powers, no powered up powers, no special abilities, my win con hasn't changed. Nothing about me is different but my color, and its permanent. I cant change color. I asked the mod.
hm. Did SB say anyone that's gold will get benefits, or only people that he targets?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I dunno how or who did it, but someone turned gold yesterday. MY "GOOCOLORUPDATE" stated that someone changed to the will of my cosmic entity.
Tho at this point, im not sure why im telling you this
Note that I didn't say anything about AE being obvtown and that we can't lynch him. I simply suggested that holding off on lynching him for now seems wiser, especially since I am more confident that joboman is scum.
I'm not sure why you're pretending to care what happens to the town here, for that matter. It's not like anyone's going to be killing you any time soon. Looks like you and kpaca will be competing after all.
It seems like someone has the ability to change their own/someone else's color during the Day. Now the questions are "Who?" and "Why?"
Boo.
That is my reaction to THIS post. Many times over.
This post is a perfect example of a scum mindset. Loran read's Flew's post, and can't really make sense of it, so he sees the opportunity to push on someone that he knows is town.
Even if you can't entirely understand Flew's post, the post is practically exploding with town sentiment. The only person that wouldn't see this is a scum, because a scum already knows that Flew is town.
Vote Loran
If you're going to vote for me please put some justification into it. From what I understand, your whole post can be summed up as "AE is likely to be scum, but its more useful to lynch him tommorow" while I am fencesitty about this (I'll likely hammer if he is put to L-1), it is still good logic. However, you don't say why lynching me is a good idea, you just state why lynching AE is a bad idea. So I'd like to hear why I'm scum. Indepth as possible please.
What is your read on Cyan?
I do not like RR's vote of Bilbro at all. From what I've seen of RR (admittedly, not that much) he seems like a very meticulous and precise person. To vote for bilbro just because he doesn't have any town posts is very bad logic. This vote is unmeticulous and hasty, thus unusual for RobRoy, because he doesn't even realize that Bilbro is Ced.
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You can say you were suspicious of Cyan and Zindabad for whatever reasons you would like to. The fact is that you started throwing suspicion at them when they threw suspicion on you, which is what you do as scum.
Not knowing what SB's benefits are I do not support this at all.
Extra life is a pretty big jump. Do you really imagine that SB would be able to target people to give extra lives around?
Why do we need to know this?
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First brings up the massclaim. Obviously a bad idea.
Uses pretty flawed logic here. Cult=scum? No, the town wins when they lynch scum, not a clan. Focusing on the clan is a very secondary goal for the town, but bringing it up is a good distraction for a scum to make.
Shows more flawed logic with the massclaim. "It worked once so it's solid!" doesn't work here. A massclaim is not a good idea just because it worked once in one game.
Also, shows a little support for Cyan.
Finally, I don't find the personal attacks he's talking about.
Again, supports the faulty logic here. I don't like how he kinda goes out of his way to call himself town.
I see that first part as fearmongering somewhat.
Also, note that this is his entrance onto the AE wagon. You will notice that he never says much about why AE is scum, but becomes more and more convinced that he is scum.
Misconstrues AE here. AE has said before that he's all for vigging and expresses reasonable concern for them and Joboman runs with this as "calling for their immidiate death".
I really don't like this post. This is a speciality, where things are bound to be fairly complicated. Joboman simplifies the entire game this way and make a mass claim or a powerclaim seems innocent and easy, which it's not. Undersestimating the game is a dangerous thing to do. Then the "isn't this great guys?" comment doesn't inspire any confidence whatsoever. It all feels very fake.
Also, he still doesn't have strong justification for his vote. Just saying...
Uses two claims as fuel for his bad plan. Axelrod even said that even though he claimed, the massclaim is still not advisble. Joboman doesn't listen and doesn't care.
Ties himself to Cyan while barning. This is probably the closest Jobo comes to his own reasoning on the AE wagon.
I don't like how he throws defending AE in there as part reasoning for suspicion. Defending AE isn't a scumtell unless AE is scum, which is something we don't know yet.
Also note that at this point, Joboman has done more analysis on ced than he has on AE, who he's voting.
Short little one-liner trying to toss dirt on AE. Essentially just a post to try and make jobo look better.
Shows more support for Cyan, saying that Cyan getting powers wouldn't be a problem cause Cyan is town. And the words uncontestedly scummy are pretty strong for someone who has only /barned others reasoning.
Puts suspicion onto SB here, small mudflinging.
OK, so he meant flip town in that first one, but this is the first time, and one of few times he shows doubt in the AE case and Cyan. This is the beginning of a rapid change.
This is the first post after the claim, and Jobo goes overboard I believe. He sees a cop investigation and gives it no chance. Not once does he see the positave, he doesn't weigh any options, just ramble about how false it could be. What about how true it could be? He's not weighing the possibilities, which reads of shortsighted scum.
Wow, this is a gem. First, tries to argue that killing AE gives us more alignment info today rather than tomorrow. Not true. First, nobody has a solid town/scum alignment from anything other than an investigation. Something AE has. So, if AE is telling the truth, we actually gain more information from letting him live, contrary to Jobo's argument.
Second, he actually does literally say that AE's alignment will prove player's alignments. That's shortsighted scum too. That's just looking for an excuse to vote someone later on.
Finally, with the "wait till tomorrow" speculation, it's all WIFOM. Jobo says this and all the scum have to do is block him or whatever and Jobo will use it as fuel for an AE mislynch.
BTW, I'm not interested in an AE lynch at all if you couldn't tell. I'll admit he might be false claiming scum, but my gut is telling me he's town and my "don't lynch an investigation" sensor is telling me he should totally be kept alive.
I think this is possibly the best, if not only reasoning Joboman himself (instead of /barning) gives for his AE vote. And it's still weak. He WIFOM's that if they don't lynch AE, it will end up a miss. And who else do we have? he says. That's no reason to string someone up.
Also note that he begins to be pinning AE with Cyan rather than himself.
These three posts come in quick succession. First we see that his Cyan+AE= scum argument is still in bloom, then he goes on the offensive against Zchnique and finally agrees with Z and unvotes. Seriously? But he keeps up all the suspicion on AE, consistantly argueing that we will still lynch him tomorrow. So, what he's saying is that AE might be telling the truth and be town, but we're stilling going to mislynch him tomorrow just to find out if he was lying.
Not only is that terribly flawed logic, a huge flipflop and major fencesitting, but it's all done with terribly flawed logic that doesn't come from a townie mindset.
Keep in mind that this post doesn't contain all the AE speculation, but the following ones do.
One liner from the new, reformed Joboman.
Again, one-liner. Also note that this seems to be a distancing tactic from Cyan. IIRC, Cyan had begun having suspicion of Loran, so Joboman throws his support in the other ring. Minor thing I noticed.
Wow, those seem to be shortsighed conclusions. People have these things called gut feelings and logical conclusions that they use to determine scum/town on people. Jobo jumps to the two extremes, obviously implying that Cyan is scum.
Continues his flipflop with the Cyan and AE are scum together bit. Maintains that because Cyan is after AE so much, he must be bussing.
I have problems here. First, Cyan's tightest connection outside of his attack on AE is Joboman, who has be following Cyan for a while before this point. So, if we are accounting for associations, both bussing and non, Joboman is equally scummy.
Second, why on earth did Joboman unvote? He clearly still thinks AE is scum. He also clearly thinks Cyan is scum, but his vote isn't anywhere. I wouldn't agree with his vote were it on AE, but that would be better than calling AE scum right after unvoting him. Joboman's line of thought is full of non-sequitars here.
He means Axelrod where he says Loran. Not a huge tell, but I had a small thought, maybe he's purposefully confusing the names to get townies to target the wrong person for protection. It's a weak theory, but one worth consideration.
Hmm. This reminds me of something....what was it...OH YEAH!
Remember when Joboman unvoted? He was all like "barn Zchnique blah blah".
Now Cyan comes along and does the same with RobRoy, and instantly he makes another connection, Cyan+RR=scum. Well, I'll just copy/paste jobo's logic to his own unvote. Joboman is scum.
Finally note that he's now pinned 3 members of the scum team, AE, Cyan and RR. He's pretty convinced of all of their scumminess, and it's all based on association and bad logic.
Implies his townieness, don't like that much. Finally places a vote on one of the three people he's been calling scummy. "If I haven't already" seems like deflection from the fact that he actually hasen't voted anybody.
Really? Cause you haven't said much. Lot's of barning, a few wild rogue theories, lots of flipfloping and contradictions, lots of one-liners, very little valuable content. Unless you consider evidence that you are scum valuable content, in which case there is a ton of it.
Fearmongering.
You've been calling a few different people scum now based on nothing more than they voted/unvoted somebody you like/dislike. Your scumhunting is based around the barning of others, convincing yourself that they are scum and casting suspicion on anybody with a tie to them, even their attacker.
This post seems like immidiate overdefense.
So, Vote Joboman
tl;dr= Joboman has fliped on his vote, accused absolutly everyone surrounding AE, provided little/no reasoning for his own vote on AE, fencesat on AE, and several other things that I can't directly bring to mind. After typing for an hour and a half, I'ma just take a break from thinking and play some KoL.
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I'll go along, unvote, vote joboman.
Oh, and people, it's Zchinque, not Zchnique. :/
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Been scum twice. Early on in my mafia career so I think this is a strech. Plus I've done that plenty of times as town so meh.
So how do you intend to get info regarding SB?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I was not, but my point was more because of the level of fearmongering displayed than because it was a noobish thing to do. Look at what he said again:
He's trying to get us to lynch AE now because, what, we might not be able to lynch him tomorrow? Is there any support for that anywhere in the thread? This doesn't read to me like him stating honest reasons - I think he wants the lynch and so he's trying to make up why.
Early game, I use votes as a method of focusing attention on people I think are scummy. I'll be rather free with them whenever I see a reason. Once we start to get any reasonable number of votes on someone, I will be cautious about placing additional votes, though. Feel free to read my previous games if you want confirmation.
Bad Idea/ Idea you disagree with =/= Scumtell
More experienced players will support me when I say that the cult are scum and thus anti-town (or is it the other way around lol). The town does not win unless the cult are all dead. Tunnelvisioned townie is tunnelvisioned.
Again, Wrong =/= Scummy
How so?
AE was obviously using personal attacks here. Don't have to fight about this one lol.
Look at my past games, like in duel monsters, where I will go out of the way to call myself town as town (and maybe scum too idk). Nulltell.
Wanting players to not get modkilled =/= fearmongering
I saw his responses as scummy, and I didn't like his flip-flopping on if the neutrals should die or not.
Umm, how is that miscontruing?
This is fearmongering. I dunno what the game has in store but I still think the massclaim is a good idea. Wrong =/= bad.
What are you just saying?
Dude, you've played with me before, right?
Remember Duel monsters? Tacky was suspicious of me.
Remember Family mafia? Tacky was suspicious of me.
Tacky is suspicious of me in every game we're in together.
ok???
I think AE is most likely scum, so defending AE is scummy in my opinion because I'm assuming that I'm correct.
All the arguments against AE have already been said. Call it mindless bandwaggoning, but I think that the AE case is very solid and If I was in the game before it was made I would have stated it.
Your tunnelvision.
I first thought Cyan was acting townie, he has then showed to not be acting townie.
Sb is a claimed neutral...
You're looking for tiny points lol.
Why not shortsighted town?
I changed my mind, why is this bad?
Misconstrue.
What?
You're wrong, they come from a very townie mindset. You don't say why this is scummy.
I don't need to respond to the rest because its all the same thing. I'll just say this:
STUPIDITY ISN'T A SCUMTELL
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I looked over Anita Blake and Duel Monsters and don't recall seeing that. Can you give me some examples?
Not sure atm.
I like TACKY's case on Joboman. I want to do a comparison of him in Anita Blake though.
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This post is making me wonder about Zchinque.
I really, really don't think that joboman is scum. I have seen him be scum 3 times(and I know of another game where he was scum, which I wasn't in). He practically tripped over his own two feet with the piles of scumtells that he gave off. I'm not seeing anything like that this game.
You wondered whether that was a good thing or a bad thing.
All these hunkering around and brooding and intense discussion didn’t feel very Goo-like.
You wanted to bounce up and down freely. You wanted to feel like a real Goo again.
But doing it right now might draw you lots of flakes from the other Goo.
And you didn’t feel like enduring such things right now.
And while you were doing some serious contemplation, another Goo bounced into position next to you.
“Hey buddy, want to hear another joke?”
You bit back your groan with great effort and replied almost pleasantly.
“No.”
“Okay then. Hear this. A Goo bounces into a bar, and the Gootender says-“
“I said NO.”
“Oh, okay then. How about this? Three Goo bounce into a bar, and the Gootender says-“
“Goo Gawd.”
“Fantastic rejoinder there, mate!”
You let out a depressing groan.
This was going to take awhile. Again.
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Cyan (4) - kpaca, zindabad, Dancing Mad, joboman
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loran16 (2) - Axelrod, Cyan
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With 21 Goo alive, it’s 11 Goo to Lynch.
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I don't see how those posts, collectively, are anything other than a complete slam dunk.
By the way, I disagree with this : loran did not FoS me or even say that he suspected me. He just asked me for explanation. Despite the fact that we disagree, nobody pushed on the other.
To make things clear, I'm not defending loran, I have no true read on him. I just say that Cyan's argument here was not a good one. And maybe he realized it because he seemed pretty convinced when he said it, but quickly changed for Vezok.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
And just because you can't see his intentions with that post doesn't mean anything.
If anything, it would have been more pro-town if he DID vote/fos you. At least that shows some kind of commitment, and not just a giant opportunist fish/potshot.
Eh, that's just vezok. He contradicts himself all the time, as town and as scum. However, I do know that he is a proponent of Lynch All Liars, and RR just caught him in a lie.
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Nice find. In particular I wonder how he could label his role as pretty useless.
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Out of curiosity, how do you pronounce that?
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I'll full claim. Not much else to say.
I am the black goo.
If only one goo targets me I become a tracker.
If 2 goo I become watcher.
3 - Role cop
4 - Cop
5+ nothing
The part where I say my role is useless I thought that because vanillas can target it will be useless to be a tracker or watcher. If you remember I said that somewhere.
When I said I wanted 1 goo to target me I wanted to target SB to see who he targets. This was after I thought what to do with my power.
I don't understand who the second post contradicts anything. When 4 people target me I become cop but if one scum targets me I lose every power. It would be to hard to coordinate 4 people to target me and no scum.
NOTE: Everyone has a role name like "The vanilla flavored goo" only it's not in the PM. It's hidden.
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It shouldn't be just curiosity that makes you ask that question. Unvote, vote Zajnetoh, wait...Pretty close to ˇʃɪŋke, if you're familiar with IPA.
ˇ - marks stress
ʃ - sh in short
ɪ - i in sit
ŋ - ng in sing
k - k in kilo
e - e in men
@Vezok: You de-power if any scum targets you? Hmm...
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Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
Any volunteers?
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Seems like more of a bad player mistake than a scum player mistake, now that he's explained it.
Incidentally Vezok's claim does not make AE's claim impossible. Multiple non-full cops is certainly plausible.
@Flew, Cyan is at least partially correct in that when i inquire about a post, I'm looking for a scummy response. So in that sense, one could call it a push. But since what you gave seems reasonable, nothing else was coming of it.
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That's probabl because I have all of three posts so far.
That's not the point. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POWER BOOST IS. It COULD be an extra life. It COULD be a shot of motivator. It COULD be ANYTHING. And if it could be anything, I don't trust putting it into the scummiest player around.
You know what? I don't feel like typing all that again. read the above.
I was going to note these and put Vezok on my noted list, but his full claim makes perfect sense.
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Really not sure what the point of this post is.
So you had nothing to do with it?
Will go look.
Well don't worry about it. I HAVE TURN GOLD.
I have no new powers, no powered up powers, no special abilities, my win con hasn't changed. Nothing about me is different but my color, and its permanent. I cant change color. I asked the mod.
Its weird, you sounded like you knew exactly how I functioned as scum but no idea that I haven't been scum much. Almost like you just threw it out there hoping it would catch on.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
If he is scum, he gains one day out of it. If he isn't the valid cop investigation for the rest of the game more then makes up for it. Whatever happens, if we don't lynch him today we should definitely do it tomorrow. Especially now that he's claimed to have had his color changed to golden involuntarily.
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I was clearing up the misconceptions that RR and Syrenz had about my previous post.
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I begin to think that AE is saying the truth. His last post sounds genuine. See, he says he's been turned into gold, but believe easily SormBlind when he says it's not him, and don't try any deflection on SB, though it was a good opportunity.
(And I don't think either is lying about this gold thing, because lying about it would be completely pointless IMO.)
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
This post is troubling to me.
I await Zindabad and his response to this.
This game is loads of confusing.
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My rationale on A_E turning gold: I think that it really helps A_E's case. Right now, I'd guess that a scum had the ability to morph someone's color to their own desires, and that they would do that to A_E to entice us into killing him, to see what being gold is all about (if it is a cult variant, however unlikely.) Which would imply that the scum want to drive home a mislynch.
The only other possibility I could see is that it is an ability of StormBlind, so that we could confirm his innocence in role by using someone who is close to being lynched. But it seems bizzare that he'd have an ability like that if he's in a competition with another color-changer. Plus the timing is off for that to happen.
This game is loads of confusing.
Another note that its not me? My targets will not be informed they have been turned golden according to the mod. (And Kpaca), and yet AE clearly has been. I truly dont know what to make of it, and im still thinking its a massive bundle of WIFOM, but i dont know what to make of it offhand.
To be sure, i appreciate whoever did it. I did not turn him golden, and will turn someone else golden tonight to prove it.
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Votes on cyan and unvotes on AE are still good.
I agree with the second half of that but I still don't understand where you're throwing the idea of an extra life from.
Let me know when you do.
hm. Did SB say anyone that's gold will get benefits, or only people that he targets?
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