I've said before that I think Zaj is scummy. His recent posts just cements that idea to me. Like I said before I'd be happy to vote for him. I think there is some unfinished business though. Axel seems to be doing a reread in order to decide whether or not he wants to answer AI's question. I'll hold my vote until after Axel decides.
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The Zajnet wagon would look awful to me were it not for post 818. As it is, I can see where people are coming from, but still don't think there's enough there for me to want him dead.
I agree that we need to have some people agree to target vezokpiraka tonight. I believe him to be trustworthy, and we would like to force the scum to waste some actions targeting him rather than having a townie power role voluntarily turn himself off. I would like to volunteer to target him; I'm not sure if anyone else has recently.
I'm not sold on Zaj. The case looks like a classic trumped-up (that's not an accusation) large-game case against a newer player (see Callaway in Tales, Clem in Inheritance, etc etc etc) and I think the reactions of some players who were all too eager to barn it - see Flew and Bil - are a good barometer of its true nature.
I'm starting to come around to this conclusion as well.
I'm a bit surprised at how scummy Bilbroxain has been playing considering how townish I thought ced was. This either means that ced was playing a great scum game or that Bilb's playing a poor town game, and I have at least a little faith in Bilb to play town properly.
His post reads as: It's dangerous to switch away from the majority wagon when a deadline is imminent. Not when a "lynch may be imminent".
And 25 days is not imminent.
I meant "in place." I agree that 25 days is enough time to find a good lynch. I think my negative gut-reaction to the fragmenting wagon was due to the last few games I was in with townies that couldn't make up their minds on a D1 lynch.
I don't get why people are saying that he shouldn't be targetted tonight. I think it would be best if we had maybe one or two people target him. At least that way, we get some use out of his role - either a watcher or whatever, or wasting the scum's target abilities. I would hazard a guess that there's a scum role that requires targetting and they can all pile target him/her, if they wanted to waste their target for the night.
We could also have two people who we trust to say they could target him if they wanted. Or we could trust that they would flip a coin to see if they target him, or something like that. That would leave the scum unsure as to how many people are planning to target him, and they'd have to either go all-in to waste his role, or make a guess which could be a waste of their resources. I think forcing scum to waste their targets is a good plan if there's a doc who needs to be targetted to be protected, no?
I agree with this line of thinking. However, I will not be able to target vezokpiraka if my plan involving Axelrod's color comes to pass.
kpaca and StormBlind are claimed neutrals.
vezokpiraka is a claimed investigation role.
The remaining players are varying degrees of scummy from not very (Syrenz) to very (Bilbroxain). Since I don't think we're lynching Archmage Eternal today, a wagon on any of the other players seems fine to me.
I will vote Zaj, but I wan't to hear people's opinnions on my theory about Vezok before we go into night.
If the town-to-scum ratio is roughly 75%/25%, then that would mean roughly 5/6 scum. Which means they could potentially screw with Vesok no matter how many target him. So 1 or 2 sounds fine.
kpaca and StormBlind are claimed neutrals.
vezokpiraka is a claimed investigation role.
The remaining players are varying degrees of scummy from not very (Syrenz) to very (Bilbroxain). Since I don't think we're lynching Archmage Eternal today, a wagon on any of the other players seems fine to me.
I'm pretty sure you just agreed with me about bilbroxain.
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I will vote Zaj, but I wan't to hear people's opinnions on my theory about Vezok before we go into night.
I think we should have one goo target him. RobRoy, being the one that just raised his hand to do it. This way the scum have to commit more to void his powers and if not then he at least gains a power.
Asian has caught my eye as to his jumping around his vote.
I wan't to hear people's opinnions on my theory about Vezok
100% agreed.
@Syrenz : I didn't like Asian's behaviour since quite a long time, but I don't think people are ready for voting him (her?) .
We should lynch Zaj today and I'll use the night time to prepare a complete case against AI.
I think it'd be better to have two people target him. If he has only one target on him, that makes him a watcher (right?) which the scum probably wouldn't waste all their targets on. If we estimate there's 5 scum, that would still waste more than half of their targets if they wanted to waste him. And then there's also a possibly that they don't want to use up 3 targets, and they let a watcher roam free, which is fine too.
I would volunteer to target him if a second person is wanted.
I think it'd be better to have two people target him. If he has only one target on him, that makes him a watcher (right?) which the scum probably wouldn't waste all their targets on. If we estimate there's 5 scum, that would still waste more than half of their targets if they wanted to waste him. And then there's also a possibly that they don't want to use up 3 targets, and they let a watcher roam free, which is fine too.
I would volunteer to target him if a second person is wanted.
That makes sense. Also scum PR's likely won't all target vezok; so that's less influence.
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Wasn't it one for tracker and two for watcher?
I s'pose I'll go back and find his claim...
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I can verify axelrod claim tonight. I am a watcher/tracker and some other thing.
If only one goo targets me I go into tracker mode.
If only two goo target me I go into watcher mode.
I will target axelrod tonight. If I die axel is scum.
If I survive I can tell you all who targeted axel.
So I need only 2 goo to target me this night. Also my plan is scum proof.
I want flavor from him. But I know he's lying.
If 4 people target me I become cop for the one I target. I don't believe we have a 1-shot cop and me the uber - watcher/tracker/cop both on the town side.
Well.
I'll full claim. Not much else to say.
I am the black goo.
If only one goo targets me I become a tracker.
If 2 goo I become watcher.
3 - Role cop
4 - Cop
5+ nothing
The part where I say my role is useless I thought that because vanillas can target it will be useless to be a tracker or watcher. If you remember I said that somewhere.
When I said I wanted 1 goo to target me I wanted to target SB to see who he targets. This was after I thought what to do with my power.
I don't understand who the second post contradicts anything. When 4 people target me I become cop but if one scum targets me I lose every power. It would be to hard to coordinate 4 people to target me and no scum.
NOTE: Everyone has a role name like "The vanilla flavored goo" only it's not in the PM. It's hidden.
So,
1 goo - tracker - should preferably target someone scummy
2 goo - watcher - should preferably target someone towny Axelrod
3 goo - role cop - should preferably target someone scummy (?)
4 goo - normal cop - should preferably target someone scummy, but good either way.
That makes it a bit worse, as it is good for scum if they go 1 -> 2 or 2 -> 3.
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I'm still in favor of one targeting Vez. It works out better for us. We have a better shot at him gaining a power.
But good track targets and good watch targets are pretty different...
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Just an EBWOP to my #901, I just realized that Axel may not be the best watch target. My other points stand.
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I'd like to know where your case on joboman disappeared to.
I didn't see the joboman wagon picking up steam, especially not with loran undermining it. Better to drop it than continue distracting a relevant wagon.
Most of the recent wagons have felt forced to me. I think it's time to reread loran and zindabad as well as ced/Bilbroxain.
Got to agree on AsianInvasion looking very fishy here....the awful deadline comment. he seems to not have any opinions strong enough to try and stay on a wagon and persuade others to do so as well but rather is only looking for "relevant wagons" that might go to a lynch.
Hmmm, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion. Okay, I can deal with Tacky later.
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Got to agree on AsianInvasion looking very fishy here....the awful deadline comment. he seems to not have any opinions strong enough to try and stay on a wagon and persuade others to do so as well but rather is only looking for "relevant wagons" that might go to a lynch.
Hmmm, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion. Okay, I can deal with Tacky later.
How the hell is this guy not lynched yet?
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I didn't see the joboman wagon picking up steam, especially not with loran undermining it. Better to drop it than continue distracting a relevant wagon.
Most of the recent wagons have felt forced to me. I think it's time to reread loran and zindabad as well as ced/Bilbroxain.
Not buying this at all.
As scum I often times say I will do cases, and then come up with excuses like the above to not make them, allowing me to slip by.
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But really, Feel free to lynch me. I'm not seeing AI as scum, and I am seeing loran as scum. If you want to lynch me for that, be my guest, then don't be suprised when I flip town.
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But really, Feel free to lynch me. I'm not seeing AI as scum, and I am seeing loran as scum. If you want to lynch me for that, be my guest, then don't be suprised when I flip town.
That's not the reason I want to lynch you. And at this point I am resigned to the fact that I am not going to win but am having fun helping the town; despite whatever cyan says.
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That's not the reason I want to lynch you. And at this point I am resigned to the fact that I am not going to win but am having fun helping the town; despite whatever cyan says.
So why do you want to lynch me? Do you think I'm scum?
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I think you should read D1 of Anita Blake 2 and compare me here to that. And then realize that I was town in that game.
See, this is what I hate about metagaming. If someone establishes a 'town meta' and a 'scum meta' then it becomes so easy for the person to switch up their playstyles and throw everyone off. Personally, I won't rely on someone's meta to determine their alignment. And if it's the player themself referencing their town games, doubly so.
Using meta to observe tells and behavior patterns of a particular player is legit.
Using meta as a defense in most cases isn't. This is one of them. Zajnet is trying to just throw a blanket defense up with "read a town game I play the same". Hardly.
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Be prepared to get a kick in the ego then when I die in this game.
Though I understand your desire to hold on to these ideal threads that I'm going to feel bad about myself if I happen to be wrong about your lynch, you should know that I won't.
My ego is so large that you kicking it would be like you throwing a pencil down a high school hallway and hoping to cover the entire floor where it falls.
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See, this is what I hate about metagaming. If someone establishes a 'town meta' and a 'scum meta' then it becomes so easy for the person to switch up their playstyles and throw everyone off. Personally, I won't rely on someone's meta to determine their alignment. And if it's the player themself referencing their town games, doubly so.
I agree. As soon as someone references their own meta as a defense, the argument becomes invalid.
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I'm starting to come around to this conclusion as well.
I'm a bit surprised at how scummy Bilbroxain has been playing considering how townish I thought ced was. This either means that ced was playing a great scum game or that Bilb's playing a poor town game, and I have at least a little faith in Bilb to play town properly.
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Your faith is very misplaced. I can't actually remember the last time I had a good town game.
Got to agree on AsianInvasion looking very fishy here....the awful deadline comment. he seems to not have any opinions strong enough to try and stay on a wagon and persuade others to do so as well but rather is only looking for "relevant wagons" that might go to a lynch.
Hmmm, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion. Okay, I can deal with Tacky later.
WTF IS THIS? Unvote, Vote Loran16 this MUST be what a scum Loran looks like.
I can't reconcile both Zajnet and Loran being scum.
Of the 2, I find Loran to be the more likely culprit, especially after that last post.
Here is Loran's last post before cyan said this...
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L-1 could very reasonably be construed as "imminent," wouldn't you say? What's confusing about that?
His post reads as: It's dangerous to switch away from the majority wagon when a deadline is imminent. Not when a "lynch may be imminent".
And 25 days is not imminent.
What exactly is it about this post that is so scummy Cyan? Sounds to me like you were just looking for an excuse to jump off the Zaj wagon.
As far as the Vezok bit goes, I agree that one person should target him. It should be someone that we think is town obviously. I haven't done a reread on Robroy, so I don't know if he's the guy we should trust with that. I have already volunteered, but since Vezok thinks I'm scum and has made it clear that he doesn't want me to target him I won't.
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Got to agree on AsianInvasion looking very fishy here....the awful deadline comment. he seems to not have any opinions strong enough to try and stay on a wagon and persuade others to do so as well but rather is only looking for "relevant wagons" that might go to a lynch.
Hmmm, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion. Okay, I can deal with Tacky later.
This post raises red flags as has been pointed out.
In post edit: And just pointed out by Bilbro again while I was writing this.
I still feel like Zaj has been playing a scummy game. Still waiting on Axel to finish that reread. I need to do some more rereading myself. I hope that I have time to do that tonight, we'll see since I'm at work.
I was looking for an excuse to jump off of the Zaj wagon? The one that A)I started and B)I advocated continuing with after he claimed? Yeah okay.
Also, that is not the post by Loran that I was referring to. It should be obvious that I was referring to 865, considering that, you know, I immediately commented on it.
Anyway, that post is super-scummy. Loran talks about wanting to lynch TACKY instead of Zajnet, and then immediately says tries to push forward with lynching Zajnet anyway.
Main indicator of the scumminess of the post, however: Loran himself knows(and says) that it's bad.
I was looking for an excuse to jump off of the Zaj wagon? The one that A)I started and B)I advocated continuing with after he claimed? Yeah okay.
Also, that is not the post by Loran that I was referring to. It should be obvious that I was referring to 865, considering that, you know, I immediately commented on it.
Anyway, that post is super-scummy. Loran talks about wanting to lynch TACKY instead of Zajnet, and then immediately says tries to push forward with lynching Zajnet anyway.
Main indicator of the scumminess of the post, however: Loran himself knows(and says) that it's bad.
Vote Loran
Pshaw. I knew it was poor for an effort of a post to make after I've been basically lurking this whole game (well lurking for me. I've not sunk to cpe levels, for example.)
Anyhow the post says what i meant at the time. Tacky was #1 on my scum list. Zajnet wasn't a terrible second choice (I have him high on my scum list also). If a player i feel is scummy (and thus is possible scum) is being wagoned, I'm not going to ignore the wagon on day 1 just because i think someone is probably better as a scum target....when everyone is ignoring me on that matter.
AsianInvasion is also up there, and my vote is in response to a scummy post. What's the problem with that?
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Not really quite that simple, but that's alright.
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Zajnet (10) - kpaca, Talore, vezokpiraka, Cyan, TACKY, Archmage Eternal, Flew, Syrenz, Bilbroxain, StormBlind
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I can't reconcile both Zajnet and Loran being scum.
Of the 2, I find Loran to be the more likely culprit, especially after that last post.
Please for the love of god 2 people vote Zaj.
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The Zajnet wagon would look awful to me were it not for post 818. As it is, I can see where people are coming from, but still don't think there's enough there for me to want him dead.
I agree that we need to have some people agree to target vezokpiraka tonight. I believe him to be trustworthy, and we would like to force the scum to waste some actions targeting him rather than having a townie power role voluntarily turn himself off. I would like to volunteer to target him; I'm not sure if anyone else has recently.
I'm starting to come around to this conclusion as well.
I'm a bit surprised at how scummy Bilbroxain has been playing considering how townish I thought ced was. This either means that ced was playing a great scum game or that Bilb's playing a poor town game, and I have at least a little faith in Bilb to play town properly.
Vote Bilbroxain
I meant "in place." I agree that 25 days is enough time to find a good lynch. I think my negative gut-reaction to the fragmenting wagon was due to the last few games I was in with townies that couldn't make up their minds on a D1 lynch.
I agree with this line of thinking. However, I will not be able to target vezokpiraka if my plan involving Axelrod's color comes to pass.
Basic #2, eh?
Day One Lynch: Bilbroxain (Town Roleblocker)
Day Two Lynch: AsianInvasion (Vanilla Town)
Day Three Lynch: Shadow Knight (Town Cop)
That game was so bad for the town.
Votes on Zajnet:
kpaca, Talore, vezokpiraka, Cyan, TACKY, Archmage Eternal, Flew, Syrenz, Bilbroxain, StormBlind
kpaca and StormBlind are claimed neutrals.
vezokpiraka is a claimed investigation role.
The remaining players are varying degrees of scummy from not very (Syrenz) to very (Bilbroxain). Since I don't think we're lynching Archmage Eternal today, a wagon on any of the other players seems fine to me.
If the town-to-scum ratio is roughly 75%/25%, then that would mean roughly 5/6 scum. Which means they could potentially screw with Vesok no matter how many target him. So 1 or 2 sounds fine.
I'm pretty sure you just agreed with me about bilbroxain.
Not really. I agree that he has had poor town games but that doesn't mean that this is necessarily one of them.
@AI:
Your attitude for the past while has been:
Which was only moved aside here:
Then you dropped that:
I'd like to know where your case on joboman disappeared to.
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I think we should have one goo target him. RobRoy, being the one that just raised his hand to do it. This way the scum have to commit more to void his powers and if not then he at least gains a power.
Asian has caught my eye as to his jumping around his vote.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
@Syrenz : I didn't like Asian's behaviour since quite a long time, but I don't think people are ready for voting him (her?) .
We should lynch Zaj today and I'll use the night time to prepare a complete case against AI.
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That makes sense. Also scum PR's likely won't all target vezok; so that's less influence.
Wasn't it one for tracker and two for watcher?
I s'pose I'll go back and find his claim...
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We have no idea how scum will play it out.
Doesn't matter to me. Either way we get some info.
I'm still in favor of one targeting Vez. It works out better for us. We have a better shot at him gaining a power.
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So,
1 goo - tracker - should preferably target someone scummy
2 goo - watcher - should preferably target
someone townyAxelrod3 goo - role cop - should preferably target someone scummy (?)
4 goo - normal cop - should preferably target someone scummy, but good either way.
That makes it a bit worse, as it is good for scum if they go 1 -> 2 or 2 -> 3.
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But good track targets and good watch targets are pretty different...
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I didn't see the joboman wagon picking up steam, especially not with loran undermining it. Better to drop it than continue distracting a relevant wagon.
Most of the recent wagons have felt forced to me. I think it's time to reread loran and zindabad as well as ced/Bilbroxain.
Hmmm, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion. Okay, I can deal with Tacky later.
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How the hell is this guy not lynched yet?
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Goocount
Zajnet (9) - kpaca, Talore, vezokpiraka, TACKY, Archmage Eternal, Flew, Syrenz, Bilbroxain, StormBlind
Cyan (2) - zindabad, Dancing Mad
loran16 (2) - Axelrod, Zajnet
Bilbroxain (2) - RobRoy, AsianInvasion
AsianInvasion (1) - loran16
With 21 Goo alive, it’s 11 Goo to Lynch.
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Not buying this at all.
As scum I often times say I will do cases, and then come up with excuses like the above to not make them, allowing me to slip by.
unvote: Vote AsianInvasion.
This is becoming easy lately.
I hope you get lynched tomorrow if not today.
I hope SB wins, and not you.
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But really, Feel free to lynch me. I'm not seeing AI as scum, and I am seeing loran as scum. If you want to lynch me for that, be my guest, then don't be suprised when I flip town.
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That's not the reason I want to lynch you. And at this point I am resigned to the fact that I am not going to win but am having fun helping the town; despite whatever cyan says.
So why do you want to lynch me? Do you think I'm scum?
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Yes I obviously think you are scum!
I guess that answers your first question to.
I think you should read D1 of Anita Blake 2 and compare me here to that. And then realize that I was town in that game.
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We just both died in a game I correctly pegged you as scum. I'm confidant in my ability to analyze you.
See, this is what I hate about metagaming. If someone establishes a 'town meta' and a 'scum meta' then it becomes so easy for the person to switch up their playstyles and throw everyone off. Personally, I won't rely on someone's meta to determine their alignment. And if it's the player themself referencing their town games, doubly so.
Be prepared to get a kick in the ego then when I die in this game.
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Using meta as a defense in most cases isn't. This is one of them. Zajnet is trying to just throw a blanket defense up with "read a town game I play the same". Hardly.
Though I understand your desire to hold on to these ideal threads that I'm going to feel bad about myself if I happen to be wrong about your lynch, you should know that I won't.
My ego is so large that you kicking it would be like you throwing a pencil down a high school hallway and hoping to cover the entire floor where it falls.
I agree. As soon as someone references their own meta as a defense, the argument becomes invalid.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
Your faith is very misplaced. I can't actually remember the last time I had a good town game.
Thank you, captain obvious.
WTF IS THIS? Unvote, Vote Loran16 this MUST be what a scum Loran looks like.
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Here is Loran's last post before cyan said this...
What exactly is it about this post that is so scummy Cyan? Sounds to me like you were just looking for an excuse to jump off the Zaj wagon.
As far as the Vezok bit goes, I agree that one person should target him. It should be someone that we think is town obviously. I haven't done a reread on Robroy, so I don't know if he's the guy we should trust with that. I have already volunteered, but since Vezok thinks I'm scum and has made it clear that he doesn't want me to target him I won't.
This post raises red flags as has been pointed out.
In post edit: And just pointed out by Bilbro again while I was writing this.
I still feel like Zaj has been playing a scummy game. Still waiting on Axel to finish that reread. I need to do some more rereading myself. I hope that I have time to do that tonight, we'll see since I'm at work.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
Also, that is not the post by Loran that I was referring to. It should be obvious that I was referring to 865, considering that, you know, I immediately commented on it.
Anyway, that post is super-scummy. Loran talks about wanting to lynch TACKY instead of Zajnet, and then immediately says tries to push forward with lynching Zajnet anyway.
Main indicator of the scumminess of the post, however: Loran himself knows(and says) that it's bad.
Vote Loran
Ummm, no. How does that even make sense?
Pshaw. I knew it was poor for an effort of a post to make after I've been basically lurking this whole game (well lurking for me. I've not sunk to cpe levels, for example.)
Anyhow the post says what i meant at the time. Tacky was #1 on my scum list. Zajnet wasn't a terrible second choice (I have him high on my scum list also). If a player i feel is scummy (and thus is possible scum) is being wagoned, I'm not going to ignore the wagon on day 1 just because i think someone is probably better as a scum target....when everyone is ignoring me on that matter.
AsianInvasion is also up there, and my vote is in response to a scummy post. What's the problem with that?
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