Of them, at least one Scum would have voted for obvious reasons, and two Scum wouldn't have voted (also, for obvious reasons). We need to analyze it and see what we can use.
Of them, at least one Scum would have voted for obvious reasons, and two Scum wouldn't have voted (also, for obvious reasons). We need to analyze it and see what we can use.
I don't see the obvious reasons. Please explain.
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And, obvious as in if none of them voted for me, it would make life too easy for the Town.
But you have no idea who of the voters/non-voters respectively are scum?
Let's see, you claimed that ability in #1363, and claimed to have lost it in #1442.
Between those, 5 players voted you by my count. (AI, Vez, TFF, Nom, and WoD)
11 players, not counting yourself, posted but did not vote for you. (Myself, DKD, ~V~, Az, DYH, RafK, ~Tilde~, DV, Talore, iBug, and Ced)
Now, assuming that ~25% of the playerbase is scum of some variety, saying that 1/5 players, or 2/11 players, are likely to be scum is statistically likely to be correct.
If you have no way to narrow down who among your 5-player and 11-player subsets are scum, this is all really guesswork, and I fail to see the current value in it.
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Pretty much, Naka, you said that we narrowed down a list of people who could be scum...but that would imply there are better odds in the narrowed down list as opposed to the entire player base as a whole.
But you have no idea who of the voters/non-voters respectively are scum?
Let's see, you claimed that ability in #1363, and claimed to have lost it in #1442.
Between those, 5 players voted you by my count. (AI, Vez, TFF, Nom, and WoD)
11 players, not counting yourself, posted but did not vote for you. (Myself, DKD, ~V~, Az, DYH, RafK, ~Tilde~, DV, Talore, iBug, and Ced)
Now, assuming that ~25% of the playerbase is scum of some variety, saying that 1/5 players, or 2/11 players, are likely to be scum is statistically likely to be correct.
If you have no way to narrow down who among your 5-player and 11-player subsets are scum, this is all really guesswork, and I fail to see the current value in it.
Well, I was voting him before he claimed that time
Why aren't we killing Nakamura?
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Explain please.
Eh, it wasn't a slip after all. AI refered to Nakamura as Hiro, perhaps that was Nakamura's real name that AI learned from scumchat. But alas, a wikipedia search returns that Hiro Nakamura is a character from Heroes.
The tell I've been seeing from AI lately is that he's moved from simply sounding frustrated, to trying to scare-pressure people off his wagon, making threats of how disappointed they'll be. That, combined with the earlier insults on his wagon: thinking it over from an emotion standpoint, I see a much stronger case for those two things coming out of a scum motivation. Aside from the unclear frustration tell, there's no clear cut townie tells coming off of him during this attack: there's simply repeated efforts to brute-force bludgeon and browbeat people away from him.
Might have time for deeper analysis now, we'll see.
At this point, I don't think anyone minds if AI "accidentally" dies. Most of us think he's scum and want him dead--that's why we're voting for him. I don't think many of us would be sad to see him hammered.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
At this point, I don't think anyone minds if AI "accidentally" dies. Most of us think he's scum and want him dead--that's why we're voting for him. I don't think many of us would be sad to see him hammered.
I'm still really not sold on AI. I don't understand why the town wants to kill someone who plays by attacking people opposed to him with anyhting he's got regardless of alignment, instead of someone who has been lying out of their teeth for no good reason.
...instead of someone who has been lying out of their teeth for no good reason.
The words I would use to describe this aren't censored but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be mentioned. To put it lightly, it's neither a scum nor town tell - it just gets yourself attention. This attention at first may have a negative connotation (such as the comments you have made), and this is all the more reason to suppose it hasn't originated from an individual with a scum mindset.
At this point, I don't think anyone minds if AI "accidentally" dies. Most of us think he's scum and want him dead--that's why we're voting for him. I don't think many of us would be sad to see him hammered.
If you're not prepared to change your mind, get out of my thread.
Your count in #1422 had you at 11 votes, but as iBug pointed out, you had DV listed twice.
Since then Vez has unvoted, and Nakamura did another Unvote/vote AI, despite voting for you already.
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No. I actually understand the principle "Lynch all liars."
Just a second. When you were lying about getting information about people who voted you, you said that you could confirm my ability. Why would you say that if you think I'm lying scum? It would make more sense to gambit and claim that I was lying in order to test my reaction. Instead you just went along with what I said, but then you called me scum and voted me anyway. It doesn't add up.
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Naka's play reads like someone who got excited and caught up in their own little gambit and couldn't wait to "spill the beans" and see what came out of it. I'm really not seeing that as something scum would do.
In other news, this game is going nowhere until Azrael does his analysis of AI, apparently.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, DYH; I ended up over-excited and ruined what could've been a decent scum-hunt.
I don't like how AI's acted, and he could definitely be Scum, but not much has moved with him lately. Still, I need to work on my PBPA of Zchnique. Don't like how he's acted lately.
I also like how you "notice a scumslip" in AI's play, when you are one of the few people against his wagon.
I also like how I have actual human stances on people; not assembling fake stances where everything people do is scummy or townie. You should know better than that.
Why does lynch all liars exist if everyone is too paralyzed to act on it?
Why does lynch all liars exist if everyone is too paralyzed to act on it?
In a similar manner that an insane person cannot be found guilty of first-degree murder, someone who doesn't know about LAL shouldn't be policy-lynched for violating it.
Why does lynch all liars exist if everyone is too paralyzed to act on it?
Lynch all liars, imo at least, is not meant as a policy but rather on the fact that people that lie are generally scum. If there is a good reason to lie, or if there is some possibility that the player would lie for no reason at all, as town, then it isn't necessarily correct to lynch them.
Naka's play reads like someone who got excited and caught up in their own little gambit and couldn't wait to "spill the beans" and see what came out of it. I'm really not seeing that as something scum would do.
I concur. Ironically, that's pretty close to what I said after Nakamura's "I'm not town or scum" thing... and now we've come around to that point again, I guess.
Unfortunately, because he overplayed it so much, most of the reactions to it were perfectly reasonably. Zchinque did catch my eye, and I found it interesting he also caught Nakamura's eye; mine was because Zchinque did the "why would you confirm two townies?" thing, and I was thinking "... and why is that bad?". It always seems to be scum who get annoyed when townies get confirmed. In any event, apparently we don't have confirmed townies out of that whole thing.
In other news, this game is going nowhere until Azrael does his analysis of AI, apparently.
Him or me, whichever one of us gives up first and spends an evening on something we know most people will TLDR
I also like how I have actual human stances on people; not assembling fake stances where everything people do is scummy or townie. You should know better than that.
Why does lynch all liars exist if everyone is too paralyzed to act on it?
I just re-read Z's reaction to me. Anybody want the extended version?
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Of course you want the extended version. But, lazily, I decided to only pick out the Scummy posts, because the rest would me marked "Null" and take up too much space. Or, a few of them, because I don't have that much time until later today.
Most would pass this by as random early comment, but realistically, very few Town want to (or have a reason to) want to "run someone up to claim range" without reason behind it.
In this game? Sorry, I think you're screwed there. Your constant lying, retconning of your role, needless spreading of confusion, and add to that, now that you claim to have been town the whole time, non-content and horrible voting, I'm not sure I see any change of events that would make me not want you dead. Short of a cop inspection, but that would really be a waste.
The only question in my mind is whether I want you lynched, or leave you to the vig.
That said, if you want to try, which I by all means encourage, you could start with posting the analysis you didn't want to do because you had no alignment.
Already went over this one. You can read it if you didn't know what I meant.
Of course you want the extended version. But, lazily, I decided to only pick out the Scummy posts,
For some reason, I am not surprised...
because the rest would me marked "Null" and take up too much space. Or, a few of them, because I don't have that much time until later today.
So there will be more later then, I presume?
Most would pass this by as random early comment, but realistically, very few Town want to (or have a reason to) want to "run someone up to claim range" without reason behind it.
I know you weren't around during the pregame, but did you read it? Did you see the state of the game at the time? It was a (I think obvious) joke. Tilde hadn't even posted at the time. I don't see how this can be considered a tell in any direction.
Free breadcrumbs. Eat them or starve.
I have no idea what you even mean by this. Feel free to explain to me how :heart:'ing Manders is a scum tell.
Yes, we all know that, because we were told. Scum-slip, anybody?
How is this a slip?
I didn't remember if the mod had said anything about it. Being too lazy to look it up, I asked in the thread, confident that someone would remember and answer.
Already went over this one. You can read it if you didn't know what I meant.
And I've already responded to it.
You're right -- you already know I'm Town, anyway.
Rather than being snide, can you please answer the question? What does it matter that you had just claimed?
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Are you barning just the vote, or the case as he presented it?
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Why do I need to bother with the rest? They're a waste of my time, and you already know that they are useless for now.
So there will be more later then, I presume?
Likely.
I know you weren't around during the pregame, but did you read it? Did you see the state of the game at the time? It was a (I think obvious) joke. Tilde hadn't even posted at the time. I don't see how this can be considered a tell in any direction.
I was around.
I have no idea what you even mean by this. Feel free to explain to me how :heart:'ing Manders is a scum tell.
People often mention their scum-buddies names in some way before a lot of the action starts to breadcrumb for later on. I don't know why you did; care to explain?
How is this a slip?
I didn't remember if the mod had said anything about it. Being too lazy to look it up, I asked in the thread, confident that someone would remember and answer.
Pay more attention. Simple. You already know about the day-talk, because you are Scum, so it was un-needed question (even if you weren't, you would still know this if you paid attention).
Rather than being snide, can you please answer the question? What does it matter that you had just claimed?
What does it matter? It matters a heck of a lot more than if I didn't.
@ Naka - Your arguments are assuming your premises.
You think he was asking an unneeded question, and therefore scum. But what makes you think it was an unneeded question? Couldn't he miss that info as a townie?
You also think he was mentioning a scum-buddy for no apparent reason, and therefore scum. First off, I don't even think Manders is scum. That's a really big premise right there. Second, even if Manders were scum, he could simply be bantering. What makes you think otherwise?
Okay, my mistake. Doesn't explain how that is a scum tell.
People often mention their scum-buddies names in some way before a lot of the action starts to breadcrumb for later on. I don't know why you did; care to explain?
Heh, last time this was brought up, not by you, mind, it was suspicious because I was buddying up to obv-town.
What can I say, it seems you've caught two scum in one swipe. Good work!
Pay more attention. Simple. You already know about the day-talk, because you are Scum, so it was un-needed question (even if you weren't, you would still know this if you paid attention).
You're begging the question here.
What does it matter? It matters a heck of a lot more than if I didn't.
You're not answering the question.
@Az: I stand by what I've said. I think Nakamura needs to die. I'm willing to entertain the idea that he is town, but I am also confident that he will be a liability in a LyLo situation. I think vigging is the way to go.
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@Az: I stand by what I've said. I think Nakamura needs to die. I'm willing to entertain the idea that he is town, but I am also confident that he will be a liability in a LyLo situation. I think vigging is the way to go.
Note that D_V never actually claimed exactly what his ability does, just that the flavor is similar. Also, while opium is a soporific, it's very crude relative to the high-grade blend my character uses. Lastly...bastard mod is a self-purported bastard. Including multiple identical roles could be one of the ways he expresses that.
Wow.... Can you read? I ROLEBLOCK PEOPLE!! My other ability I am keeping to myself. But you are identical to me except that you have two abilities than you can use ie one or the other, where I can only use my second ability twice and flavor wise my second ability blends well with my first ability which yours good sir does not.
That being said I agree with the bastard mod part of the game. I honestly do not think that me counterclaiming you makes you scum. Also, after I counterclaimed you, you seem to still be trying. Which I could make an argument for either alignment, but for the moment I am going to say that you are town. So, Unvote.
Also, I think that you should investigate a person tonight.
In other news writing Nak off as a gambit, I have done similar things, but would like someone to at least investigate him.
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Unfortunately, because he overplayed it so much, most of the reactions to it were perfectly reasonably. Zchinque did catch my eye, and I found it interesting he also caught Nakamura's eye; mine was because Zchinque did the "why would you confirm two townies?" thing, and I was thinking "... and why is that bad?". It always seems to be scum who get annoyed when townies get confirmed. In any event, apparently we don't have confirmed townies out of that whole thing.
If Zchinque comes up scum, then couldn't we assume that both of the "confirmed" players (at the very least) are not scum?
Anyways, I do not like Zchinque or his posts and I was going to roleblock him tonight. So, Vote Zchinque
Hey, guys? Let's not follow Azrael onto this new wagon he's trying to conjure out of thin air until he posts:
Firstly (this should be good) the reasons he has that AsianInvasion is town. In-depth.
Secondly: reasons that Zchinque is scum. This one is kinda more important to me, because if Azrael were anyone else it would be a blatantly obvious deflection attempt. I'd probably have voted already, but I'm willing to hear the case... because it's az.
So, sell us, Azrael. Why is AI town. Why is Zchinque scum? Just quoting posts isn't going to cut it for me.
1. The posts cry out for justice. Seriously. Cup an ear. Ceds can hear them.
2. Why not take a look at his posts, yourself, and see what you find? I'm interested to see what your analysis would look like. Right now, all I hear from you are soundbites.
@ Naka- Lylo means lynch or lose: the last day before the scum win.
Unvote, Vote: AI.
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It's a justification for your actions, but is it supported? Did we really get anything out of it?
Of them, at least one Scum would have voted for obvious reasons, and two Scum wouldn't have voted (also, for obvious reasons). We need to analyze it and see what we can use.
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I don't see the obvious reasons. Please explain.
How's the PBPA coming along?
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@Mod: Prod on Ace, please? I believe it's been ~10 days...
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And, obvious as in if none of them voted for me, it would make life too easy for the Town.
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But you have no idea who of the voters/non-voters respectively are scum?
Let's see, you claimed that ability in #1363, and claimed to have lost it in #1442.
Between those, 5 players voted you by my count. (AI, Vez, TFF, Nom, and WoD)
11 players, not counting yourself, posted but did not vote for you. (Myself, DKD, ~V~, Az, DYH, RafK, ~Tilde~, DV, Talore, iBug, and Ced)
Now, assuming that ~25% of the playerbase is scum of some variety, saying that 1/5 players, or 2/11 players, are likely to be scum is statistically likely to be correct.
If you have no way to narrow down who among your 5-player and 11-player subsets are scum, this is all really guesswork, and I fail to see the current value in it.
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Pretty much, Naka, you said that we narrowed down a list of people who could be scum...but that would imply there are better odds in the narrowed down list as opposed to the entire player base as a whole.
Well, I was voting him before he claimed that time
Why aren't we killing Nakamura?
Eh, it wasn't a slip after all. AI refered to Nakamura as Hiro, perhaps that was Nakamura's real name that AI learned from scumchat. But alas, a wikipedia search returns that Hiro Nakamura is a character from Heroes.
I think we need a prod on the mod
Might have time for deeper analysis now, we'll see.
I'm still really not sold on AI. I don't understand why the town wants to kill someone who plays by attacking people opposed to him with anyhting he's got regardless of alignment, instead of someone who has been lying out of their teeth for no good reason.
The words I would use to describe this aren't censored but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be mentioned. To put it lightly, it's neither a scum nor town tell - it just gets yourself attention. This attention at first may have a negative connotation (such as the comments you have made), and this is all the more reason to suppose it hasn't originated from an individual with a scum mindset.
If you're not prepared to change your mind, get out of my thread.
Someone unvote.
Your count in #1422 had you at 11 votes, but as iBug pointed out, you had DV listed twice.
Since then Vez has unvoted, and Nakamura did another Unvote/vote AI, despite voting for you already.
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No. I actually understand the principle "Lynch all liars."
Just a second. When you were lying about getting information about people who voted you, you said that you could confirm my ability. Why would you say that if you think I'm lying scum? It would make more sense to gambit and claim that I was lying in order to test my reaction. Instead you just went along with what I said, but then you called me scum and voted me anyway. It doesn't add up.
AsianInvasion (9) - RafaelK, Deaths_Vampire, MandersHex, ~V~, dropkickdude, Nom_Anor, ~Tilde~, Wrath_of_DoG, Nakamura
Nakamura (4) - indomitablebug, Talore, TheFooFish, vezokpiraka
Syrenz (1) - DYH
Talore (1) - ced395
Ace (1) - Some One
DYH (1) - Azrael
With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
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In other news, this game is going nowhere until Azrael does his analysis of AI, apparently.
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I don't like how AI's acted, and he could definitely be Scum, but not much has moved with him lately. Still, I need to work on my PBPA of Zchnique. Don't like how he's acted lately.
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I also like how I have actual human stances on people; not assembling fake stances where everything people do is scummy or townie. You should know better than that.
Why does lynch all liars exist if everyone is too paralyzed to act on it?
In a similar manner that an insane person cannot be found guilty of first-degree murder, someone who doesn't know about LAL shouldn't be policy-lynched for violating it.
Lynch all liars, imo at least, is not meant as a policy but rather on the fact that people that lie are generally scum. If there is a good reason to lie, or if there is some possibility that the player would lie for no reason at all, as town, then it isn't necessarily correct to lynch them.
I concur. Ironically, that's pretty close to what I said after Nakamura's "I'm not town or scum" thing... and now we've come around to that point again, I guess.
Unfortunately, because he overplayed it so much, most of the reactions to it were perfectly reasonably. Zchinque did catch my eye, and I found it interesting he also caught Nakamura's eye; mine was because Zchinque did the "why would you confirm two townies?" thing, and I was thinking "... and why is that bad?". It always seems to be scum who get annoyed when townies get confirmed. In any event, apparently we don't have confirmed townies out of that whole thing.
Him or me, whichever one of us gives up first and spends an evening on something we know most people will TLDR
It's a handy general rule, especially for newer players or simpler games, but nothing is 100% set in stone in mafia.
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Who wants the extended version?
I just re-read Z's reaction to me. Anybody want the extended version?
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I'd like the full PBPA, please. With a side salad and a chocolate shake.
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Most would pass this by as random early comment, but realistically, very few Town want to (or have a reason to) want to "run someone up to claim range" without reason behind it.
Free breadcrumbs. Eat them or starve.
Yes, we all know that, because we were told. Scum-slip, anybody?
Already went over this one. You can read it if you didn't know what I meant.
You're right -- you already know I'm Town, anyway.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Ninja'ed.
We're all out of Chocolate. Will a vote be fine?
Unvote, Vote: Zchinque.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
For some reason, I am not surprised...
So there will be more later then, I presume?
I know you weren't around during the pregame, but did you read it? Did you see the state of the game at the time? It was a (I think obvious) joke. Tilde hadn't even posted at the time. I don't see how this can be considered a tell in any direction.
I have no idea what you even mean by this. Feel free to explain to me how :heart:'ing Manders is a scum tell.
How is this a slip?
I didn't remember if the mod had said anything about it. Being too lazy to look it up, I asked in the thread, confident that someone would remember and answer.
And I've already responded to it.
Rather than being snide, can you please answer the question? What does it matter that you had just claimed?
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
Vote Zchinque.
Are you barning just the vote, or the case as he presented it?
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
I think you're dead to rights after 1475 and 1482.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=5798178&postcount=1475
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=5798178&postcount=1482
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=5798421&postcount=1482
Why do I need to bother with the rest? They're a waste of my time, and you already know that they are useless for now.
Likely.
I was around.
People often mention their scum-buddies names in some way before a lot of the action starts to breadcrumb for later on. I don't know why you did; care to explain?
Pay more attention. Simple. You already know about the day-talk, because you are Scum, so it was un-needed question (even if you weren't, you would still know this if you paid attention).
What does it matter? It matters a heck of a lot more than if I didn't.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
You think he was asking an unneeded question, and therefore scum. But what makes you think it was an unneeded question? Couldn't he miss that info as a townie?
You also think he was mentioning a scum-buddy for no apparent reason, and therefore scum. First off, I don't even think Manders is scum. That's a really big premise right there. Second, even if Manders were scum, he could simply be bantering. What makes you think otherwise?
Okay, my mistake. Doesn't explain how that is a scum tell.
Heh, last time this was brought up, not by you, mind, it was suspicious because I was buddying up to obv-town.
What can I say, it seems you've caught two scum in one swipe. Good work!
You're begging the question here.
You're not answering the question.
@Az: I stand by what I've said. I think Nakamura needs to die. I'm willing to entertain the idea that he is town, but I am also confident that he will be a liability in a LyLo situation. I think vigging is the way to go.
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
Die now.
Wow.... Can you read? I ROLEBLOCK PEOPLE!! My other ability I am keeping to myself. But you are identical to me except that you have two abilities than you can use ie one or the other, where I can only use my second ability twice and flavor wise my second ability blends well with my first ability which yours good sir does not.
That being said I agree with the bastard mod part of the game. I honestly do not think that me counterclaiming you makes you scum. Also, after I counterclaimed you, you seem to still be trying. Which I could make an argument for either alignment, but for the moment I am going to say that you are town. So, Unvote.
Also, I think that you should investigate a person tonight.
In other news writing Nak off as a gambit, I have done similar things, but would like someone to at least investigate him.
If Zchinque comes up scum, then couldn't we assume that both of the "confirmed" players (at the very least) are not scum?
Anyways, I do not like Zchinque or his posts and I was going to roleblock him tonight. So, Vote Zchinque
Firstly (this should be good) the reasons he has that AsianInvasion is town. In-depth.
Secondly: reasons that Zchinque is scum. This one is kinda more important to me, because if Azrael were anyone else it would be a blatantly obvious deflection attempt. I'd probably have voted already, but I'm willing to hear the case... because it's az.
So, sell us, Azrael. Why is AI town. Why is Zchinque scum? Just quoting posts isn't going to cut it for me.
On the side, what does LyLo mean?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
1. The posts cry out for justice. Seriously. Cup an ear. Ceds can hear them.
2. Why not take a look at his posts, yourself, and see what you find? I'm interested to see what your analysis would look like. Right now, all I hear from you are soundbites.
@ Naka- Lylo means lynch or lose: the last day before the scum win.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1