Wow.... Can you read? I ROLEBLOCK PEOPLE!! My other ability I am keeping to myself. But you are identical to me except that you have two abilities than you can use ie one or the other, where I can only use my second ability twice and flavor wise my second ability blends well with my first ability which yours good sir does not.
That being said I agree with the bastard mod part of the game. I honestly do not think that me counterclaiming you makes you scum. Also, after I counterclaimed you, you seem to still be trying. Which I could make an argument for either alignment, but for the moment I am going to say that you are town. So, Unvote.
Also, I think that you should investigate a person tonight.
My rolecop actually has nice flavor. The first dose of soporifics merely makes the target drowsy and unable to perform actions, while the second knocks them out completely which enables me to take them someplace to interrogate.
Also, I can't rolecop someone until I roleblock that player first. I have a few targets in mind, but I'm willing to listen to suggestions as well.
I don't see that much of a case against Zchinque. His latest posts haven't been up to his early posts which were townie but I don't see a strong case against him.
I'm in full agreement. I have no idea what Azrael is thinking here.
Scum wagons are more likely to stall than Town wagons because their are a number of people inherently against it. AI is scum, and I really don't see myself being convinced otherwise.
"More likely?" Yes. This is not a coin flip the town would win, though.
Actually it's more like I have much higher expectations of you and Azrael and so far they have been unfulfilled. Is it unfair of me to expect town-Az & town-DYH to nail scum with every post? Perhaps, but since I can't do that myself, I am attempting to make up for my relative inexperience by pushing harder against other players.
I don't usually get sick reads so I have to compensate somehow.
First point in his favor is this post, which I hit the first time around. This is a very creative, very personal explanation for an odd attack, and I don't see that being easily faked. It's a protown, overzealous response, and it gels very nicely with the mood that comes across in his earlier posts, such as this one:
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I don't have a problem with your vote any more. I do have a problem with what seems to be a lack of seriousness, though if you're true to your word you'll improve on that as well. (Note that there is a difference between having fun while playing and having fun instead of playing. I'm not trying to suck all the enjoyment out of the game; I just view a lack of caring as scummy)
And also in his later posts:
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EWP: Nice of you to join us, Azrael.
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I'll bite.
How many times can he use the word "seems" in a single post? It's as if he's afraid to actually call you out here because he knows it's not true.
This is good too.
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Takes a proactive analysis stance on Ibug, noticing a valid problem on his own steam. And in accord with his earlier worries about my activity being low, he seems to have a change of heart about whether to trust me, which is as I would expect from him as town.
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ike I said, at first it's cute but when prolonged it's just weird, especially considering the lady in question is engaged.
Subtle town tell. See Highlander, though that game was only moving quickly at certain points.
Post more. Now.
Welcome to the big leagues, son. Keeping reading, won't you?
Posts =|= Information. Information = Claims.
Valid.
It depends on context. Seeing as how Azrael was clearly joking, to make anything of it is misguided at best and scummy at worst.
Az didn't fully explain his reasoning, but the assumption is that he doesn't have to because your post was scummy enough for others to take a second look and see what Az was inferring to.
As for OMGUS, I find this quote to be particularly useful:
It's a situational tell at best, and is painfully overused on this site. It's often better not to even bother unless it is so blatant and void of logic that it can't come from a townie mindset. When a player uses an OMGUS argument as the main reason for an attack it's not a pro-town move because of how bad of a tell OMGUS is.
If so, you used very bad phrasing and failed to convey what you intended.
He quoted the post that makes you more likely than random to be scum. That is justification enough for me, though I understand your confusion. Hopefully by reading what the rest of us had to say, you can see our point of view too.
That would be nice. Players who take a firm stances on issues and don't use ambiguous language tend to be town.
This post as a whole feels like town, though I'll still keep an eye on this one.
Have you ever played with this kid before? If so, you should realize that he is the poster child for throwing out "traditional" scum tells because he commits them as town, scum, and neutral alignments, not to mention he often commits classic logical fallacies and tries to pass it off as legitimate reasoning. Also, my condolences.
Another great analysis post above. Very natural, very detailed, very convincing.
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Do you actually know what my town meta looks like?
I actually called Az my hero (semi-jokingly) not two weeks ago. I'm sure you remember that.
Also, I may have exaggerated somewhat; so what. You're really stretching this for all it's worth.
Read some of my recent town games and get back to me.
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EWP: Some One's play mirrors that of CCMIV almost exactly. (He's dead scum in that ongoing game.)
This is a nice, confident response to the attack. Believes in himself, and provides the info to resolve the question.
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FWIW, now that Azrael is actively posting, his play is pretty different from that of Symbiote. Here he seems to be taking more stances and playing a bigger role. A point in his favor.
Posts this point after he's already taken action in conformity with it; kinda like he organically he realized that shift after it happened.
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@DYH:
If you're going to claim cop, claim cop. Don't try this WIFOM crap, the scum are going to kill you if you're not one of them already.
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This sounds dead on like a worried townie to me.
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Precisely. I like Skander in this game.
Another townish comment. He's got some reads cooking up in his head - and he agrees and comments on them as they occur to him, not just in periodic status updates.
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I don't think I've played with Syrenz as town but I distinctly remember his scum meta to be "ask irrelevant questions, pretend to be useful," which is exactly what he's doing here. If his town meta is the same, then I'm hoping that he's scum here because he's not going to do the town any favors.
Basis for the Syrenz attack is pretty legit.
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1. We could put this to a vote, but that wouldn't accomplish much. How's this: It's my opinion that Syrenz has been irrelevant in this game. The two instances where I have played with Syrenz and he was irrelevant, he was scum. Therefore, I think he is also scum here. Oh, and I just remembered that my first game with Syrenz was Lord of the Rings II, where he was vanilla town and I was scum. He was quiet but not irrelevant in that game, though I'd have to reread it to say for sure.
Man, does this ever read like stream of consciousness. : )
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Do you want to try that post again?
My wagon is miserable. The first two votes are logic-based (or at least have the semblance of logic) while the others are attacking me for being "over-aggressive," as if that were a scum tell. Breaking news: It's not. Get over yourselves. Get better attacks or get a new wagon.
It's cool, though. I have a strong gag reflex; you won't see any info vomiting from me.
If people want to test DYH's unlynchability, we can, but seeing as how it was posted in mod text, odds are we're just wasting our time. Also, Some One's reading the thread. Good to know.
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For someone who was putting overzealous townie tells into the thread earlier, I can understand this kind of a response to pressure coming out of him. He has very high standards for other town players, that he's repeatedly tried to enforce by either: 1. Haranguing analysts into contributing, or 2. Lurker hunting players who aren't contributing.
His response didn't make sense to me before. But put it in context, and it makes perfect sense for his personality.
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Some of you people are just being thick. Now I know how DYH felt.
The worst part about it is I can't tell which of the /barners are scum; none of them gave any legitimate reasoning so all their votes are equally poor.
That's nice. And as irrelevant as everyone else's claim.
You must know something I don't. Yes, I am aware that this is a self-proclaimed bastard mod game, but I do not believe that means that all role analysis should be thrown out the window.
Why did you possibly figure that this would help "have this dealt with before then"?
One less formality to go through.
And what's this "never caught while in MI6" business? *eyebrow* Were you caught afterwards?
Yes, I was caught afterwards. First I was in the MI6, and afterwards I was caught up in diplomacy and politics.
Usually, when a townie is really and truly PO'd at someone, they don't spell out what was done to make sure that everyone else thinks they're bad too. Usually, they talk about how terrible what was done was, and why it was so terrible. And they're usually much more direct with expressing their own displeasure.
I really can't say how your average townie would or would not behave.
I think you need to put the kitchen sink back where it was. Claiming to be town? Not so much of a valid scum tell, generally speaking...
Yes, I agree. That makes no sense...
...when you cut it off from the rest of the sentence.
I remember Nai once telling me, in the midst of skewering me as scum, that townies always leave open the possibility of new information changing their mind.
You're right, and I was a bit too harsh in my statement.
Can I be swayed, if new information come to light? Sure. Do I think it likely this will happen? No.
Really. Would it, or are you just trying to dissuade the cop from saving the mislynch you were supposed to be afraid of?
No, I just think it would be a waste.
So you're disgusted, and you won't change your mind on killing her, but you want her to start posting more. Right.
I don't see the problem.
What a useful distinction.
I believe so. But seeing as no one seems to give any mind to the difference between lynching and vigging, I might be the only one with that belief.
You start your discussion of why you want her dead with two sentences that assume she's town as a premise. *Az bloodlust*
Well, yes. I would think it obvious that I thought Nakamura was scum. I'm arguing that in the off-chance he is town a vigging wouldn't be that bad. For that argument I have to assume town-alignment as a premise.
Again, responding to a technicality instead of the substance. Her direct point is, you're chomping at the bit to get her killed. There's some meat and substance to that critique, but you take the cheap route to reply to it.
-Why would a true, honest Townie be so eager to lynch a Townie who just claimed? Well, because that "true, honest Townie" isn't actually a Townie, they're Scum trying to push other players to lynch that Townie. Why? It would be a very, very easy kill for the Scum to make.
Ironic, given that you seemed to think your own claim would help you out.
I didn't.
And even if I did, I'm sure you see the difference between these two statements:
"I believe I should not be lynched because of my claim."
"I believe I should not be lynched because I have just claimed."
Someone you think is either scum or terrible says she's going to PBPA you, and your response is that it could be fun?
Yes?
You sound awfully passionate about it.
I was pretty worked up, or passionate, about Nakamura's play earlier.
You believe?
Yes, believe. The first one due to me not knowing how I am interpreted by others, the second is repetition as a rhetorical device.
Might? You sound awfully convinced by your own argument.
Which argument? That his vote hopping earlier in the game might have been playing to his pretended role? I wouldn't say I'm convinced by it, but I consider it a likely possibility, and won't keep it against him if his vote is used in a more conventional way from here on out.
Not a fan of the smile, or the repetitive dodging out statements: that he's leaving the thread, going to sleep, going to be busy at work.
Do explain why it is scummy to inform the rest of the players that I will be leaving for some hours when I am at the focal point of discussion.
Anyways, here is me doing the same thing in Goo Mafia, where I'm dead town:
So is a one-shot vig. So is a roleblocker. Everybody's scum, if you're looking at abilities.
So is a votestealer.
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Az: Not really impressed with your latest posts on Zchinque or AI (never a good sign when I read a "quote/one-liner/quote/one-liner" style post, as the Zchinque one, and in my head fire off snappy retorts to each one).
As usual I'm a bit hesitant about going in too hard to defend someone else, as I have a working theory that mostly scum do that (since they can be confident about what they're defending, town or scum) but given the way (as had just been noted again) so many votes here ARE taking the opportunity to just follow you around puppies, Az, I think it's probably a necessary evil.
Usually, when a townie is really and truly PO'd at someone, they don't spell out what was done to make sure that everyone else thinks they're bad too. Usually, they talk about how terrible what was done was, and why it was so terrible. And they're usually much more direct with expressing their own displeasure.
Eh? The bit you quoted from Zchinque said
Your constant lying, retconning of your role, needless spreading of confusion,
. Did you mean to bring up something else? Isn't he talking here about what he thinks Nakamura did which was so terrible?
I think you need to put the kitchen sink back where it was. Claiming to be town? Not so much of a valid scum tell, generally speaking...
You must be kidding, Az. You must have seen people accused of being scum for going around saying how townie they are. It's not the worst tell in the world; often comes out of scum insecurity, whereas townies know they are townie and don't need to say so. It's not a dead giveaway, but what is?
I remember Nai once telling me, in the midst of skewering me as scum, that townies always leave open the possibility of new information changing their mind.
Tell it to Cyan.
/rimshot
Really. Would it, or are you just trying to dissuade the cop from saving the mislynch you were supposed to be afraid of?
Slippery ground. The other way and it's "directing the cop". Thing is though, if Zchinque is scum and knows Nakamura is town, wouldn't he WANT Nakamura inspected? That's one night where the cop isn't investigating a scum or clearing an analyst. I don't think you've thought this through, Az. If there was scum intent behind these pushes by Zchinque, it's not very effective. Vig a potential mislynch rather than mislynch him? Steer the cop away from him instead of spending a night not-finding-scum?
In general, if something is really good for the scum, it's generally being pushed by the scum. The reverse is also true. Especially with daytalk in the mix. I am just not feeling a scum intent behind this; it's the classic wrongheaded lone townie to me.
So you're disgusted, and you won't change your mind on killing her, but you want her to start posting more. Right.
Problem is?
What a useful distinction.
See, by this stage of your post you're just throwing sarcasm at everything no matter how deserving. Zchinque has drawn a distinction between lynching Nakamura and vigging him, which IS a real difference, and yet you're trying to make something of it. This is why I called your post terrible. It has gone sledding way past any useful arguments, over the barrier and into the ditch.
You start your discussion of why you want her dead with two sentences that assume she's town as a premise. *Az bloodlust*
We've been here. Again you're trying to isolate this off from the whole bit where he's described why he thinks Nakamura IS SCUM. That's not very nice of you.
Again, responding to a technicality instead of the substance. Her direct point is, you're chomping at the bit to get her killed. There's some meat and substance to that critique, but you take the cheap route to reply to it.
IRONY.
Someone you think is either scum or terrible says she's going to PBPA you, and your response is that it could be fun?
It sounds like something you would say too
You sound awfully passionate about it.
IRONY.
(Also, I can't recall Zchinque is usually like, but passion from you Az is generally an act. Not necessarily a scummy act- Yawgmoth, Zombies, etc- but still just a tactic).
Not a fan of the smile, or the repetitive dodging out statements: that he's leaving the thread, going to sleep, going to be busy at work.
You're right, people who sleep or are busy should vanish without a word, that's much townie Complete non-tell. If he was actually dodging replying at all, that would be a tell. But he hasn't. So your point is what?
EBWOTP: I was about to embark on a similar thing about Az' comments about AI, 'cept it's not possible because it's mostly Az remarking on AI being natural and confident (well yeah, AI's mafia-playing persona is arrogant, duh, we know THAT) and there's nothing really to reply to there: you either agree with Az that AI's play feels natural and townie, or you don't, and I don't. It also cherrypicks posts and whatnot, hardly the complete PBPA I was looking for
I guess the only way to break through this stalemate is indeed going to be my own response to AI's posts. HATE having to do this this far into a day 1. Argh.
Nitpick: Nakamura's current claimed ability is broken on scum.
For some reason I thought he claimed a one-shot. Reuseable vote removal (if it wasn't reverseable) would be pretty borked yeah. Either way I believe he's town based on play, the ability claim doesn't do much for me.
Speaking of claims though, Zchinque: so why is that, if you have the power to shoot Nakamura yourself, that you were agitating for a vig to shoot Nakamura? Why not just STFU about and then do it yourself?
Things can change, though. What if everybody else who wants Nakamura dead is killed along the way and ends up scum? What if we figure out what is going on with the traitors, etc, and also somehow fit Nakamura in with all this (I'm thinking if we can confirm that monstrously powerful ability without making too much use of it - vezok claimed something that could do that, I think)?
I would actually love Nakamura forever if he removed vezokpiraka's vote. Vengeance for Fluffy!
Considering he's probably going to become scum at some point, it's almost a safe vig shot. Well, except for the part where he still has his other abilities and can perform NKs as scum. Hmm.
For some reason I thought he claimed a one-shot. Reuseable vote removal (if it wasn't reverseable) would be pretty borked yeah. Either way I believe he's town based on play, the ability claim doesn't do much for me.
I also got the impression that it was a one-shot ability.
Speaking of claims though, Zchinque: so why is that, if you have the power to shoot Nakamura yourself, that you were agitating for a vig to shoot Nakamura? Why not just STFU about and then do it yourself?
Looking for justification before the fact.
Logical? Not altogether; it undermines his future claim.
Townish? Moreso than not; certainly more pro-town than a unilateral vig.
EBWOTP: I was about to embark on a similar thing about Az' comments about AI, 'cept it's not possible because it's mostly Az remarking on AI being natural and confident (well yeah, AI's mafia-playing persona is arrogant, duh, we know THAT) and there's nothing really to reply to there: you either agree with Az that AI's play feels natural and townie, or you don't, and I don't.
Short on time, but this is a great summation of Azrael's style of play and why he and I rarely see eye to eye.
Hi everyone. Catching up with this 1600 post D1. No guarantees when I will be done because I have homework and stuff but it will be as soon as I can manage it.
Ok, I'm at a computer, but I'm on a time limit and there's been sooo much, I can't begin to do quotes, sorry. After this, we're going to get the part we need for the computer, so hopefully I'll be back to normal soon. I really appreciate al the patience, guys. It's more than I deserve, imo.
Anyway, I think Az is way off here. Can Z's actions be interpreted as scum? Sure. I'm of the opinion that anybody's can. But do they actually come from a scum mindset? I don't think so, no. To say "Townies don't look that far into the future" is ludicrous. I do, as town. Ever since L4D mafia which ended in an endgame fiasco, I always worry about the possibility of LyLo. So I can definitely understand where Z's coming from.
Also, I don't like Az's PBPA on AI, either. Az left out many of the crucial posts against him, such as his awful pushing on Syrenz for nothing. I'm still happy with an AI lynch, and feel much, much worse about Az now.
Az: Not really impressed with your latest posts on Zchinque or AI (never a good sign when I read a "quote/one-liner/quote/one-liner" style post, as the Zchinque one, and in my head fire off snappy retorts to each one).
As usual I'm a bit hesitant about going in too hard to defend someone else, as I have a working theory that mostly scum do that (since they can be confident about what they're defending, town or scum) but given the way (as had just been noted again) so many votes here ARE taking the opportunity to just follow you around puppies, Az, I think it's probably a necessary evil.
I think you picked exactly the wrong time/person to start going head to head. Ibug's weirdness could be explained. DYH's weirdness may have been legit. I pushed those wagons until I found excuses; attention deficits had nothing to do with it.
Zchinque? Zchinque starts off his lists of why people ought to die by assuming that they're actually townie. That's not unfairly isolating the post from where he says she's probably scum. That's following the train of his reasoning from point a, to point b.
Look at him. He starts off his point A in that post with the assumption that she's town. He sounds completely unaffected his own reasoning, completely artificial, which is what I'm trying to get at with most of those cheap one-liners.
I'm staring at an unholy trifecta of all three types of scum tells.
1. We have an extremely anti-town action, picking off a weak player to make an extra kill, with a strong scum motivation. (Universal tell: check)
2. There's no natural townie explanation, no natural townie behavior and thought patterns. The first thing he thinks about when he says he wants to kill her, is that she's town, not scum. (Mindset: check)
3. His emotions sync up with a scum mindset: he has no passion, and no heart, behind any of his stances. He's consistently artificial. (Emotions: check).
It's a short list of posts. Most of the useful evidence within them is subtle. But it's only adding up in one direction for me. I can usually smell a townie or a townie tell from three blocks away, given enough time. The only thing I smell from Z is putrescence. I don't see a single thing, a single piece of any type of evidence, that would make me believe he's town. And everywhere I turn I see another sign that says he kills in the night.
On the surface Azrael's case seems very convincing, but at the same time there's something artificial about all this. It might just be the timing, but I just do not get strong scum vibes from Zchinque. I'd have to reread his posts before I could be convinced to vote him.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I think you picked exactly the wrong time/person to start going head to head. Ibug's weirdness could be explained. DYH's weirdness may have been legit. I pushed those wagons until I found excuses; attention deficits had nothing to do with it.
"until I found excuses"? Unusual phrasing. A bit more revealing than you intended, maybe? You're going to come back and say you meant until the wagonned person made excuses that you accepted... even then, that's not true for the DYH wagon is it? For DYH the wagon ended because he made himself unlynchable...
Zchinque? Zchinque starts off his lists of why people ought to die by assuming that they're actually townie. That's not unfairly isolating the post from where he says she's probably scum. That's following the train of his reasoning from point a, to point b.
Zchinque called Nakamura scum repeatedly, said why he thought Nakamura was scum. Saying he started off by assuming Nakamura is town is simply a misrepresentation.
1. We have an extremely anti-town action, picking off a weak player to make an extra kill, with a strong scum motivation. (Universal tell: check) [/quoted]
Granted.
[quote]2. There's no natural townie explanation, no natural townie behavior and thought patterns. The first thing he thinks about when he says he wants to kill her, is that she's town, not scum. (Mindset: check)
Not granted. It is POSSIBLE that his mindset is wanting to shank a townie, naturally. But it's equally viable that his mindset is wanting to be rid of someone he's confinced is scum. Your statement that the first thing he thinks about is that Nakamura is town not scum is conjecture, and saying there's no natural townie explanation is silly. Of course there is one. He's a townie who's got it into his head that Nakamura's lying spree was scummy. Natural, easy.
3. His emotions sync up with a scum mindset: he has no passion,
Hang on, I'd swear you said the opposite a second ago.
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You sound awfully passionate about it.
Ah, that would be why, yeah.
Not to mention I don't even buy into the suggestion that passion is a townie thing and being emotionless and clinical is scummy.
I'm much more interested in the inconsistencies in your arguments, which are starting to add up.
1. We have an extremely anti-town action, picking off a weak player to make an extra kill, with a strong scum motivation. (Universal tell: check)
Noooooo, this is under the assumption that Z is scum and that Nak is town. Neither are a given. This is horrible logic. Otherwise if you make a case on anyone including Z then you are picking on a week player for a scum kill. Yes, picking on a weak player is a kind of scum tell, but I think that you are giving Nak way to much of a free pass. Actually you basically just wrote him a get out of jail free card for the entire game. Because now if he ever does something scummy and someone picks on him, then they must be scum because they are picking on a week player..... So no this does not work.
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2. There's no natural townie explanation, no natural townie behavior and thought patterns. The first thing he thinks about when he says he wants to kill her, is that she's town, not scum. (Mindset: check)
Kind of, but personally I don't care what alignment Nak is. She has committed the ultimate sin and continues to commit it. It wasn't even a well thought out gambit at that. It really just reads as if Nak was making a role up was caught in the lie, then scum buddies said in day chat "claim gambit". Then after that failed it turns into a woe is me. Just lynch me. Which is a very typical noob scum tell when they have been caught.
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3. His emotions sync up with a scum mindset: he has no passion, and no heart, behind any of his stances. He's consistently artificial. (Emotions: check).
Wait.... So we bash AI for being so passionate that he attacks and attacks. But then if a person has no passion they must be scum? Yes. This makes perfect sense. Also please quote and show where he is being artificial. Otherwise the world is flat.
I'm not feeling the Z case, at all. If anything, his play is consistent with an individual who is "busy" (which he pointed out) as opposed to an individual who is scum. His comment about day talk is not very scummy, and the points he brought up against Nak ring as genuine. His gut response to the claim was "WHY?" and it's clear he's just not chill with everything that has happened with that (that = Naka's awkwardness).
@ Syrenz mostly gut and then Az saying something. But I still want Nak dead I never supported him. I can see him gambit as scum or as town. Currently I still want AI dead but, I think I might have a way to figure out his alignment so I am ok with leaving him alive till tomorrow.
But Nak at the very least needs to be vigged. This is getting ridiculous. I remember a game(need to go find it) where we wrote two players off as just noob town, when in fact they were noob scum(I think Az defended both of them in that game too).
Do you think that zchinque and Nakamura are scumbuddies?
I'm not feeling the Z case, at all. If anything, his play is consistent with an individual who is "busy" (which he pointed out) as opposed to an individual who is scum. His comment about day talk is not very scummy, and the points he brought up against Nak ring as genuine. His gut response to the claim was "WHY?" and it's clear he's just not chill with everything that has happened with that (that = Naka's awkwardness).
Please address my post here. This is the second time I'm asking you.
I've seen evidence of him reading beyond the last page ONCE in the past week. He has repeatedly failed to address others' questions (as Syrenz has pointed out above), and is often popping in to take shots from the sidelines. Am I really the only one who has noticed this at all?
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This.
I was also convinced that Some One was scum based on his first couple posts in conjunction with (incomplete) meta. Then he had some posts that were better and seemed well thought-out. Now he's reverted back to his MO of picking and choosing what to comment on and not doing much in general. I'd be fine with letting him stew in his juices for a while, as I don't think going after him right now would be very productive considering the number of fragmenting wagons we've had so far today.
Okay. I'm going to hold onto the case I wrote up then, I'll put it up either after the Z/Nak wagons die out or Day 2 should one of them actually run to completion.
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I've seen evidence of him reading beyond the last page ONCE in the past week. He has repeatedly failed to address others' questions (as Syrenz has pointed out above), and is often popping in to take shots from the sidelines. Am I really the only one who has noticed this at all?
Eh, I seem to recall him being like this in Family Mafia as town. Granted, he did have a PR but it was pretty easy to play with.
"until I found excuses"? Unusual phrasing. A bit more revealing than you intended, maybe? You're going to come back and say you meant until the wagonned person made excuses that you accepted... even then, that's not true for the DYH wagon is it? For DYH the wagon ended because he made himself unlynchable...
As far as I'm concerned, we still had to decide from there whether we wanted to make life difficult for him, via side effects.
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Hang on, I'd swear you said the opposite a second ago.
Sarcasm check.
In case anyone else missed that: I think some of Z's statements don't mesh very well with an outraged townie, he's trying to play the part, and not succeeding.
boom (a crash of thunder, unheard over increasingly hoarse voices)
boooooooooom (a second, reverberating peal, that no one hears, and no one cares)
silence
silence
silence
BOOM (a single, short, explosion of sound - accompanied by the crazed flicker of lights never installed with storm safety in mind - and uneasy murmurs begin)
(But when the lightning strikes with unnatural fury right against the window, panic takes over - one man leaps over tables to hide behind the yet food-laden table, another almost physically throws himself into a corner, and an ice-faced man resists attempts to pull him towards another corner - )
(and another and another and another and another thunderclap and flash, thunderclap and flash and at the sixth one the lights spark, dim, extinguish)
...........
..........
....the lightning abates, even as the lights flicker back on. Terror is submerged by forced composure. Composure that lasts mere seconds, as the scent of blood reaches their nostrils.
The ice-faced man lies, face down, at the far end of the room, a glacially-spreading stain of red fanning from his gouged neck. It doesn't take long to find the cause of death -- a single, sharp chunk of stone, blasted free from the wall by lightning, and flung with incredible force into the neck of the delegate.
Shaken by the freak death, and casting wary eyes towards the window, the assembled delegates stare dumbly at each other for moments. Then someone hoarsely clears their throat, and suggests a return to... business. A 'business' that none can too clearly remember, after the events of the last few minutes.
Perhaps the dead man was right in the end. Perhaps everything really was his enemy. Certainly none will remember a death such as his, in the bloodshed of the days to come.
Nakamura - Israeli Delegate, Politician Lobbyist/Traitor has been modkilled.
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Actually, there's a good chance that Nakamura knew he was a traitor and simply declined to inform us, especially considering two other traitors know of their ambiguous alignment.
Time to look over who attacked Nakamura (Zchinque comes to mind first and foremost) and determine whether they were opportunistic or justified.
Vote AI. Not sold at all on Azrael's very selective pbpa. Also not sold enough on Zchinque. There's a couple of decent points there, but all said, AI is the lynch I want today.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
@ Syrenz - Although it's retroactive, my answers don't change. I thought he was town, and that his behavior made sense given his claim at the time. What was the issue?
Hindsight 20/20. Point still stands. And you were saying? Vote AI
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I've seen evidence of him reading beyond the last page ONCE in the past week. He has repeatedly failed to address others' questions (as Syrenz has pointed out above), and is often popping in to take shots from the sidelines. Am I really the only one who has noticed this at all?
No, you're certainly not alone - I didn't like him earlier today, either. And your assessment of his posts is spot-on.
I don't like the Zchinque wagon, and I'm lukewarm on AI at the moment, but I'm in full support of further scrutiny for Some One who has been scummy pretty much all day.
Speaking of claims though, Zchinque: so why is that, if you have the power to shoot Nakamura yourself, that you were agitating for a vig to shoot Nakamura? Why not just STFU about and then do it yourself?
A fine question, and one I thought would have been brought up earlier.
I wanted some discussion on it, as to not bypass the town, as Az is accusing me of trying to do.
3. His emotions sync up with a scum mindset: he has no passion, and no heart, behind any of his stances. He's consistently artificial. (Emotions: check).
I don't wear my heart on my sleeve, and I don't show much emotions. It's a character trait. If my real life personae makes me scummy, then so be it.
The only time in this game where I feel I have shown any particular emotion is with Nakamura earlier. He got under my skin.
Of course, these are the same emotions that you find artificial and lacking passion.
And everywhere I turn I see another sign that says he kills in the night.
Yes, yes I do. Looking through the scope of my sniper rifle.
Only once per game though.
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I'll stop by later tonight, though.
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My rolecop actually has nice flavor. The first dose of soporifics merely makes the target drowsy and unable to perform actions, while the second knocks them out completely which enables me to take them someplace to interrogate.
Also, I can't rolecop someone until I roleblock that player first. I have a few targets in mind, but I'm willing to listen to suggestions as well.
I'm in full agreement. I have no idea what Azrael is thinking here.
"More likely?" Yes. This is not a coin flip the town would win, though.
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First point in his favor is this post, which I hit the first time around. This is a very creative, very personal explanation for an odd attack, and I don't see that being easily faked. It's a protown, overzealous response, and it gels very nicely with the mood that comes across in his earlier posts, such as this one:
And also in his later posts:
Takes a proactive analysis stance on Ibug, noticing a valid problem on his own steam. And in accord with his earlier worries about my activity being low, he seems to have a change of heart about whether to trust me, which is as I would expect from him as town.
Another great analysis post above. Very natural, very detailed, very convincing.
This is a nice, confident response to the attack. Believes in himself, and provides the info to resolve the question.
Posts this point after he's already taken action in conformity with it; kinda like he organically he realized that shift after it happened.
This sounds dead on like a worried townie to me.
Another townish comment. He's got some reads cooking up in his head - and he agrees and comments on them as they occur to him, not just in periodic status updates.
Basis for the Syrenz attack is pretty legit.
Man, does this ever read like stream of consciousness. : )
For someone who was putting overzealous townie tells into the thread earlier, I can understand this kind of a response to pressure coming out of him. He has very high standards for other town players, that he's repeatedly tried to enforce by either: 1. Haranguing analysts into contributing, or 2. Lurker hunting players who aren't contributing.
His response didn't make sense to me before. But put it in context, and it makes perfect sense for his personality.
Another natural response.
Yeah. I think he's solid.
Heheh, I wonder who this refers to...
@ Az hey isn't a rolecop a normal scum ability?
So is a one-shot vig. So is a roleblocker. Everybody's scum, if you're looking at abilities.
You must know something I don't. Yes, I am aware that this is a self-proclaimed bastard mod game, but I do not believe that means that all role analysis should be thrown out the window.
One less formality to go through.
Yes, I was caught afterwards. First I was in the MI6, and afterwards I was caught up in diplomacy and politics.
I really can't say how your average townie would or would not behave.
Yes, I agree. That makes no sense...
...when you cut it off from the rest of the sentence.
You're right, and I was a bit too harsh in my statement.
Can I be swayed, if new information come to light? Sure. Do I think it likely this will happen? No.
No, I just think it would be a waste.
I don't see the problem.
I believe so. But seeing as no one seems to give any mind to the difference between lynching and vigging, I might be the only one with that belief.
Well, yes. I would think it obvious that I thought Nakamura was scum. I'm arguing that in the off-chance he is town a vigging wouldn't be that bad. For that argument I have to assume town-alignment as a premise.
I didn't.
And even if I did, I'm sure you see the difference between these two statements:
"I believe I should not be lynched because of my claim."
"I believe I should not be lynched because I have just claimed."
Yes?
I was pretty worked up, or passionate, about Nakamura's play earlier.
Yes, believe. The first one due to me not knowing how I am interpreted by others, the second is repetition as a rhetorical device.
Which argument? That his vote hopping earlier in the game might have been playing to his pretended role? I wouldn't say I'm convinced by it, but I consider it a likely possibility, and won't keep it against him if his vote is used in a more conventional way from here on out.
Do explain why it is scummy to inform the rest of the players that I will be leaving for some hours when I am at the focal point of discussion.
Anyways, here is me doing the same thing in Goo Mafia, where I'm dead town:
Though there I was not a particular topic of discussion at the time, if that matters any.
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As usual I'm a bit hesitant about going in too hard to defend someone else, as I have a working theory that mostly scum do that (since they can be confident about what they're defending, town or scum) but given the way (as had just been noted again) so many votes here ARE taking the opportunity to just follow you around puppies, Az, I think it's probably a necessary evil.
Eh? The bit you quoted from Zchinque said . Did you mean to bring up something else? Isn't he talking here about what he thinks Nakamura did which was so terrible?
You must be kidding, Az. You must have seen people accused of being scum for going around saying how townie they are. It's not the worst tell in the world; often comes out of scum insecurity, whereas townies know they are townie and don't need to say so. It's not a dead giveaway, but what is?
Tell it to Cyan.
/rimshot
Slippery ground. The other way and it's "directing the cop". Thing is though, if Zchinque is scum and knows Nakamura is town, wouldn't he WANT Nakamura inspected? That's one night where the cop isn't investigating a scum or clearing an analyst. I don't think you've thought this through, Az. If there was scum intent behind these pushes by Zchinque, it's not very effective. Vig a potential mislynch rather than mislynch him? Steer the cop away from him instead of spending a night not-finding-scum?
In general, if something is really good for the scum, it's generally being pushed by the scum. The reverse is also true. Especially with daytalk in the mix. I am just not feeling a scum intent behind this; it's the classic wrongheaded lone townie to me.
Problem is?
See, by this stage of your post you're just throwing sarcasm at everything no matter how deserving. Zchinque has drawn a distinction between lynching Nakamura and vigging him, which IS a real difference, and yet you're trying to make something of it. This is why I called your post terrible. It has gone sledding way past any useful arguments, over the barrier and into the ditch.
We've been here. Again you're trying to isolate this off from the whole bit where he's described why he thinks Nakamura IS SCUM. That's not very nice of you.
IRONY.
It sounds like something you would say too
IRONY.
(Also, I can't recall Zchinque is usually like, but passion from you Az is generally an act. Not necessarily a scummy act- Yawgmoth, Zombies, etc- but still just a tactic).
You're right, people who sleep or are busy should vanish without a word, that's much townie Complete non-tell. If he was actually dodging replying at all, that would be a tell. But he hasn't. So your point is what?
I guess the only way to break through this stalemate is indeed going to be my own response to AI's posts. HATE having to do this this far into a day 1. Argh.
For some reason I thought he claimed a one-shot. Reuseable vote removal (if it wasn't reverseable) would be pretty borked yeah. Either way I believe he's town based on play, the ability claim doesn't do much for me.
Speaking of claims though, Zchinque: so why is that, if you have the power to shoot Nakamura yourself, that you were agitating for a vig to shoot Nakamura? Why not just STFU about and then do it yourself?
I would actually love Nakamura forever if he removed vezokpiraka's vote. Vengeance for Fluffy!
Considering he's probably going to become scum at some point, it's almost a safe vig shot. Well, except for the part where he still has his other abilities and can perform NKs as scum. Hmm.
I also got the impression that it was a one-shot ability.
Looking for justification before the fact.
Logical? Not altogether; it undermines his future claim.
Townish? Moreso than not; certainly more pro-town than a unilateral vig.
It's bastard man. We should lynch people and get to night.
Who should I vote?
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Short on time, but this is a great summation of Azrael's style of play and why he and I rarely see eye to eye.
I don't think Zchinque is scum at all.
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On the other hand, I'm becoming comfortable with the idea that AI is town. Probably more to do with time passing than anything else.
Although, AI: Why did you just answer RafK's question for Zchinque?
Anyway, I think Az is way off here. Can Z's actions be interpreted as scum? Sure. I'm of the opinion that anybody's can. But do they actually come from a scum mindset? I don't think so, no. To say "Townies don't look that far into the future" is ludicrous. I do, as town. Ever since L4D mafia which ended in an endgame fiasco, I always worry about the possibility of LyLo. So I can definitely understand where Z's coming from.
Also, I don't like Az's PBPA on AI, either. Az left out many of the crucial posts against him, such as his awful pushing on Syrenz for nothing. I'm still happy with an AI lynch, and feel much, much worse about Az now.
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I think you picked exactly the wrong time/person to start going head to head. Ibug's weirdness could be explained. DYH's weirdness may have been legit. I pushed those wagons until I found excuses; attention deficits had nothing to do with it.
Zchinque? Zchinque starts off his lists of why people ought to die by assuming that they're actually townie. That's not unfairly isolating the post from where he says she's probably scum. That's following the train of his reasoning from point a, to point b.
Look at him. He starts off his point A in that post with the assumption that she's town. He sounds completely unaffected his own reasoning, completely artificial, which is what I'm trying to get at with most of those cheap one-liners.
I'm staring at an unholy trifecta of all three types of scum tells.
1. We have an extremely anti-town action, picking off a weak player to make an extra kill, with a strong scum motivation. (Universal tell: check)
2. There's no natural townie explanation, no natural townie behavior and thought patterns. The first thing he thinks about when he says he wants to kill her, is that she's town, not scum. (Mindset: check)
3. His emotions sync up with a scum mindset: he has no passion, and no heart, behind any of his stances. He's consistently artificial. (Emotions: check).
It's a short list of posts. Most of the useful evidence within them is subtle. But it's only adding up in one direction for me. I can usually smell a townie or a townie tell from three blocks away, given enough time. The only thing I smell from Z is putrescence. I don't see a single thing, a single piece of any type of evidence, that would make me believe he's town. And everywhere I turn I see another sign that says he kills in the night.
Don't take my word for it. Look at him.
That was my take on it, I assume Zchinque's reasoning differs. If I wasn't supposed to answer, my bad.
On the surface Azrael's case seems very convincing, but at the same time there's something artificial about all this. It might just be the timing, but I just do not get strong scum vibes from Zchinque. I'd have to reread his posts before I could be convinced to vote him.
Gee, maybe you feel that way because Az is your scumbuddy working to undermine your wagon by pointing us elsewhere? That's the impression I'm getting.
Vote stands on AI, Major FOS on Azrael
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Agree completely.
I would vote for Az, but my point against az is dependent on AI being scummy, so makes sense to get rid of him first.
Yes, it makes so much sense to undermine my scumbuddy when he's the only reason I'm still alive.
LOGIC FAIL.
Looks to me like you need a new point.
I guess the implication is distancing. I think it's premature to start lining up further lynches until after you're dead, myself.
"until I found excuses"? Unusual phrasing. A bit more revealing than you intended, maybe? You're going to come back and say you meant until the wagonned person made excuses that you accepted... even then, that's not true for the DYH wagon is it? For DYH the wagon ended because he made himself unlynchable...
Zchinque called Nakamura scum repeatedly, said why he thought Nakamura was scum. Saying he started off by assuming Nakamura is town is simply a misrepresentation.
Not granted. It is POSSIBLE that his mindset is wanting to shank a townie, naturally. But it's equally viable that his mindset is wanting to be rid of someone he's confinced is scum. Your statement that the first thing he thinks about is that Nakamura is town not scum is conjecture, and saying there's no natural townie explanation is silly. Of course there is one. He's a townie who's got it into his head that Nakamura's lying spree was scummy. Natural, easy.
Hang on, I'd swear you said the opposite a second ago.
Ah, that would be why, yeah.
Not to mention I don't even buy into the suggestion that passion is a townie thing and being emotionless and clinical is scummy.
I'm much more interested in the inconsistencies in your arguments, which are starting to add up.
I would, but I don't have his webcam address.
Noooooo, this is under the assumption that Z is scum and that Nak is town. Neither are a given. This is horrible logic. Otherwise if you make a case on anyone including Z then you are picking on a week player for a scum kill. Yes, picking on a weak player is a kind of scum tell, but I think that you are giving Nak way to much of a free pass. Actually you basically just wrote him a get out of jail free card for the entire game. Because now if he ever does something scummy and someone picks on him, then they must be scum because they are picking on a week player..... So no this does not work.
Kind of, but personally I don't care what alignment Nak is. She has committed the ultimate sin and continues to commit it. It wasn't even a well thought out gambit at that. It really just reads as if Nak was making a role up was caught in the lie, then scum buddies said in day chat "claim gambit". Then after that failed it turns into a woe is me. Just lynch me. Which is a very typical noob scum tell when they have been caught.
Wait.... So we bash AI for being so passionate that he attacks and attacks. But then if a person has no passion they must be scum? Yes. This makes perfect sense. Also please quote and show where he is being artificial. Otherwise the world is flat.
I'm not feeling the Z case, at all. If anything, his play is consistent with an individual who is "busy" (which he pointed out) as opposed to an individual who is scum. His comment about day talk is not very scummy, and the points he brought up against Nak ring as genuine. His gut response to the claim was "WHY?" and it's clear he's just not chill with everything that has happened with that (that = Naka's awkwardness).
Do you think that zchinque and Nakamura are scumbuddies?
Az is certainly making poor attacks on Zchinque.
Surely you're aware that roleblocker is a normal scum ability as well and seeing as you claim to be one, what point are you trying to make here?
Please address my post here. This is the second time I'm asking you.
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I've seen evidence of him reading beyond the last page ONCE in the past week. He has repeatedly failed to address others' questions (as Syrenz has pointed out above), and is often popping in to take shots from the sidelines. Am I really the only one who has noticed this at all?
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
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This.
I was also convinced that Some One was scum based on his first couple posts in conjunction with (incomplete) meta. Then he had some posts that were better and seemed well thought-out. Now he's reverted back to his MO of picking and choosing what to comment on and not doing much in general. I'd be fine with letting him stew in his juices for a while, as I don't think going after him right now would be very productive considering the number of fragmenting wagons we've had so far today.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Yes, I'm deflecting. You have reached LV 2. of understanding Az's town play. LMK when you get to LV. 3.
Eh, I seem to recall him being like this in Family Mafia as town. Granted, he did have a PR but it was pretty easy to play with.
No response to RafK?
As far as I'm concerned, we still had to decide from there whether we wanted to make life difficult for him, via side effects.
Sarcasm check.
In case anyone else missed that: I think some of Z's statements don't mesh very well with an outraged townie, he's trying to play the part, and not succeeding.
Apologies, Nakamura. But that level of PM quoting just isn't OK.
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boom (a crash of thunder, unheard over increasingly hoarse voices)
boooooooooom (a second, reverberating peal, that no one hears, and no one cares)
silence
silence
silence
BOOM (a single, short, explosion of sound - accompanied by the crazed flicker of lights never installed with storm safety in mind - and uneasy murmurs begin)
(But when the lightning strikes with unnatural fury right against the window, panic takes over - one man leaps over tables to hide behind the yet food-laden table, another almost physically throws himself into a corner, and an ice-faced man resists attempts to pull him towards another corner - )
(and another and another and another and another thunderclap and flash, thunderclap and flash and at the sixth one the lights spark, dim, extinguish)
...........
..........
....the lightning abates, even as the lights flicker back on. Terror is submerged by forced composure. Composure that lasts mere seconds, as the scent of blood reaches their nostrils.
The ice-faced man lies, face down, at the far end of the room, a glacially-spreading stain of red fanning from his gouged neck. It doesn't take long to find the cause of death -- a single, sharp chunk of stone, blasted free from the wall by lightning, and flung with incredible force into the neck of the delegate.
Shaken by the freak death, and casting wary eyes towards the window, the assembled delegates stare dumbly at each other for moments. Then someone hoarsely clears their throat, and suggests a return to... business. A 'business' that none can too clearly remember, after the events of the last few minutes.
Perhaps the dead man was right in the end. Perhaps everything really was his enemy. Certainly none will remember a death such as his, in the bloodshed of the days to come.
Nakamura - Israeli Delegate, Politician Lobbyist/Traitor has been modkilled.
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You were saying?
Actually, there's a good chance that Nakamura knew he was a traitor and simply declined to inform us, especially considering two other traitors know of their ambiguous alignment.
Time to look over who attacked Nakamura (Zchinque comes to mind first and foremost) and determine whether they were opportunistic or justified.
Hindsight 20/20. Point still stands. And you were saying?
Vote AI
Lets get this party started!
Well, I guess we've been spared Zchinque mis-vigging him, haven't we?
Az: You could have made that comment a while ago. What made it particularly relevant to say now? Will you really miss vezok that much?
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Did you really just try to make this point?
Sufficiently rebutted.
No, you're certainly not alone - I didn't like him earlier today, either. And your assessment of his posts is spot-on.
I don't like the Zchinque wagon, and I'm lukewarm on AI at the moment, but I'm in full support of further scrutiny for Some One who has been scummy pretty much all day.
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A fine question, and one I thought would have been brought up earlier.
I wanted some discussion on it, as to not bypass the town, as Az is accusing me of trying to do.
I don't wear my heart on my sleeve, and I don't show much emotions. It's a character trait. If my real life personae makes me scummy, then so be it.
The only time in this game where I feel I have shown any particular emotion is with Nakamura earlier. He got under my skin.
Of course, these are the same emotions that you find artificial and lacking passion.
Yes, yes I do. Looking through the scope of my sniper rifle.
Only once per game though.
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I'll stop by later tonight, though.
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Still don't know what to think re: Zchinque. Content from school.